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How this will work.\n\n38\n00:04:36,346 --> 00:04:37,646\nThis is a round table\ndiscussion.\n\n39\n00:04:40,517 --> 00:04:42,785\nThis is to bring different\nstakeholders to the table to\n\n40\n00:04:43,186 --> 00:04:45,186\nlisten to presentations and get\n\n41\n00:04:45,322 --> 00:04:47,322\nyour feedback and ideas.\n\n42\n00:04:51,361 --> 00:04:52,762\nFor council this is a listening\nmode mostly today.\n\n43\n00:04:54,597 --> 00:04:56,597\nIf we have clarifying or\n\n44\n00:04:56,633 --> 00:04:58,702\ninformational questions jump in.\nWe want to hear from the folks\n\n45\n00:04:58,702 --> 00:05:00,702\nat the table.\n\n46\n00:05:01,438 --> 00:05:03,500\nWe have an opportunity for\nutility providers to share\n\n47\n00:05:04,374 --> 00:05:06,750\ninformation with us so they have\npresentations.\n\n48\n00:05:07,110 --> 00:05:09,110\nThey will have unput on the two\n\n49\n00:05:09,746 --> 00:05:10,947\nquestions we are talking about\ntoday.\n\n50\n00:05:13,216 --> 00:05:16,118\nThose are input on exemptions to\nthe fee and implementation\n\n51\n00:05:16,420 --> 00:05:18,420\ntimeline and approach.\n\n52\n00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:21,224\nWe will have the presentations\nfirst.\n\n53\n00:05:22,326 --> 00:05:25,294\nEach utility provider will give\nthe presentation and hold\n\n54\n00:05:25,696 --> 00:05:28,640\nquestions until the end.\nWe will take questions focusing\n\n55\n00:05:30,467 --> 00:05:32,869\non information and clarity from\nutility providers.\n\n56\n00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:38,390\nWe will get into the individual\n\n57\n00:05:38,108 --> 00:05:40,743\nstakeholders your ideas and\nthoughts on these topics.\n\n58\n00:05:41,578 --> 00:05:44,470\nWe will discuss that after the\npresentations are done.\n\n59\n00:05:44,348 --> 00:05:46,348\nThere are a lot of us.\n\n60\n00:05:47,952 --> 00:05:50,920\nIf you want to respond or ask a\nquestion or give input please\n\n61\n00:05:51,889 --> 00:05:53,456\nstand up your card so I can see\nyou.\n\n62\n00:05:55,590 --> 00:05:56,526\nI will make sure we get to\neverybody.\n\n63\n00:05:58,896 --> 00:06:01,297\nI will call on folks if we need\nto draw that information out.\n\n64\n00:06:02,499 --> 00:06:05,135\nNot a time council will\ndeliberate or decide anything\ntoday.\n\n65\n00:06:07,371 --> 00:06:10,306\nWe are gathering information to\nfeed into a work session on\nAPRIL 22.\n\n66\n00:06:11,509 --> 00:06:13,476\nCouncil will have time to\ndeliberate, make decisions about\n\n67\n00:06:13,677 --> 00:06:15,677\nthe future of this policy.\n\n68\n00:06:15,946 --> 00:06:17,914\nA lot of it is based on\ninformation we are given today.\n\n69\n00:06:20,718 --> 00:06:22,718\nThat is what we are doing today.\n\n70\n00:06:23,454 --> 00:06:25,922\nI will throw it back to cassie\nfor background how we got here\n\n71\n00:06:27,192 --> 00:06:29,826\nand then presentations from\nutilities.\n\n72\n00:06:31,950 --> 00:06:33,396\n>> thank you.\nInformation I will share is\n\n73\n00:06:33,397 --> 00:06:35,397\nbackground information.\n\n74\n00:06:37,134 --> 00:06:39,569\nEssentially information that I\nshared in memo last week.\n\n75\n00:06:39,670 --> 00:06:42,272\nI will be brief so we can move\nto discussion.\nBackground.\n\n76\n00:06:44,476 --> 00:06:46,376\nCity has been working on broader\nprogram to encourage\n\n77\n00:06:47,445 --> 00:06:49,445\nelectrification of buildings in\n\n78\n00:06:50,715 --> 00:06:52,715\nbend to achieve climate action\n\n79\n00:06:53,784 --> 00:06:56,520\ngoals over last year and-a-half.\nClimate fee today we have been\n\n80\n00:06:57,540 --> 00:06:59,540\nfocusing on for the last few\n\n81\n00:06:59,157 --> 00:07:01,157\nmonths is part of the\n\n82\n00:07:01,659 --> 00:07:03,659\ndisincentive and incentive\n\n83\n00:07:04,162 --> 00:07:06,162\ncomponent of rural work plan.\n\n84\n00:07:08,866 --> 00:07:10,866\nWe will create incentives using\n\n85\n00:07:11,636 --> 00:07:13,636\nto encourage the electrification\n\n86\n00:07:13,905 --> 00:07:15,905\nusing proceeds of fee and\n\n87\n00:07:17,308 --> 00:07:19,276\nexploring additional monetary\nincentives.\n\n88\n00:07:24,749 --> 00:07:27,151\nThe city is expanding\nmore robust program to share\n\n89\n00:07:28,653 --> 00:07:30,653\ninformation about electrifying\n\n90\n00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:34,490\nbuildings or upcoming work a\n\n91\n00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:37,928\nworkshop series is coming up\nAPRIL 29.\n\n92\n00:07:37,962 --> 00:07:40,697\nWe have consequent ones for the\nnext three months.\n\n93\n00:07:44,302 --> 00:07:46,302\nIn the last part of the plan\n\n94\n00:07:46,771 --> 00:07:48,771\nmonitoring landscape for policy\n\n95\n00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,840\nlevers for reducing gas use as\n\n96\n00:07:51,443 --> 00:07:53,430\nwell in the future.\nbackground.\n\n97\n00:07:53,778 --> 00:07:55,778\nKey steps so far.\n\n98\n00:07:56,381 --> 00:07:58,381\nPolicy development process.\n\n99\n00:07:58,416 --> 00:08:00,951\nCouncil direction to pursue fee\nincentive program in APRIL last\nyear.\n\n100\n00:08:03,188 --> 00:08:05,188\nWork sessions with the council\n\n101\n00:08:05,857 --> 00:08:08,492\nin AUGUST, OCTOBER and DECEMBER\nfocusing on potential fee,\n\n102\n00:08:10,762 --> 00:08:12,762\nanalysis on costs impacts of\n\n103\n00:08:13,532 --> 00:08:15,532\nelectrifying homes.\n\n104\n00:08:15,934 --> 00:08:18,136\nEngagement options for\nincentives and fees.\n\n105\n00:08:18,904 --> 00:08:21,639\nIn DECEMBER and FEBRUARY we\nshared calculation and approach\n\n106\n00:08:22,407 --> 00:08:25,242\nto fee design.\nFEBRUARY council gave staff\n\n107\n00:08:26,111 --> 00:08:27,645\ndirection to pursue fee as\nproposed.\n\n108\n00:08:31,490 --> 00:08:33,318\nThey set fee level at reduced\nrate which we will talk about in\n\n109\n00:08:33,318 --> 00:08:35,318\na minute.\n\n110\n00:08:35,621 --> 00:08:37,621\nAt that meeting they directed\n\n111\n00:08:38,790 --> 00:08:40,790\nstaff to convene this roundtable\n\n112\n00:08:42,627 --> 00:08:44,662\nto focus on fee exemptions and\ntimeline for file major policy\n\n113\n00:08:44,963 --> 00:08:46,963\ndecisions we need council to\n\n114\n00:08:47,265 --> 00:08:49,467\ngive direction on to get the fee\npolicy complete.\n\n115\n00:08:51,570 --> 00:08:53,570\nI will share a quick overview of\n\n116\n00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:57,140\nthe proposed fee structure.\n\n117\n00:08:58,877 --> 00:09:00,877\nSocial cost of carbon multiplied\n\n118\n00:09:05,651 --> 00:09:07,651\nby net lifetime by gas appliance\n\n119\n00:09:09,855 --> 00:09:11,855\ncorrelated to said of house.\n\n120\n00:09:13,326 --> 00:09:15,326\nDamages from carbon dioxide.\n\n121\n00:09:16,595 --> 00:09:18,595\nIt takes into account the amount\n\n122\n00:09:19,464 --> 00:09:21,464\nof carbon gas appliance produces\n\n123\n00:09:23,702 --> 00:09:25,702\nover lifetime of apappliance\n\n124\n00:09:27,773 --> 00:09:30,642\nminus carbon alternative\nelectric appliance would emit\n\n125\n00:09:34,130 --> 00:09:35,780\nthat is the net carbon impact of\ngas appliance.\n\n126\n00:09:37,850 --> 00:09:40,819\nTier is multiplier to acts for\nlower or higher energy use\n\n127\n00:09:42,354 --> 00:09:44,656\ncarbon emissions from smaller or\nlarger houses.\n\n128\n00:09:49,595 --> 00:09:51,595\nWe established three tiers.\n\n129\n00:09:52,665 --> 00:09:54,665\nLowest is homes 1600 square feet\n\n130\n00:09:55,134 --> 00:09:57,134\nor less.\n\n131\n00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,840\nThat is 65% tier factor.\n\n132\n00:10:04,110 --> 00:10:06,110\n1600 or 3,000 is average.\n\n133\n00:10:06,412 --> 00:10:08,412\nThat is 100%.\n\n134\n00:10:12,351 --> 00:10:14,619\nThis doesn't get adjusted.\nGreater than thousand square\n\n135\n00:10:17,423 --> 00:10:20,240\nfeet they are 150%.\nOne additional adjustment to\nbase line fee.\n\n136\n00:10:23,129 --> 00:10:25,129\nWhat council directed in\n\n137\n00:10:25,898 --> 00:10:27,999\nFEBRUARY to adjust to 20% of\ncalculated value.\n\n138\n00:10:29,836 --> 00:10:31,836\nThis wases to minimize\n\n139\n00:10:32,572 --> 00:10:34,773\nadditional cost impact of fee on\nnew construction recognizing we\n\n140\n00:10:37,710 --> 00:10:40,245\nwant to continue supporting\nhousing goals and help meet city\n\n141\n00:10:41,914 --> 00:10:44,820\nclimate goals as well.\nThis final slide is table of\n\n142\n00:10:44,917 --> 00:10:46,351\nwhat would become the fee\nschedule.\n\n143\n00:10:48,554 --> 00:10:49,922\nFee is established per\nappliance.\n\n144\n00:10:50,623 --> 00:10:52,623\nEach piece of equipment has\n\n145\n00:10:53,493 --> 00:10:55,695\ndollar value varying over the\nthree tiers based on the tier\n\n146\n00:10:55,695 --> 00:10:57,695\nfactor.\n\n147\n00:10:57,797 --> 00:11:00,232\nNew home being built these are\nthe amounts that would have to\n\n148\n00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,680\nbe paid for each of the pieces\n\n149\n00:11:04,137 --> 00:11:06,137\nof equipment.\n\n150\n00:11:06,873 --> 00:11:09,741\nFor single house add together to\nget total fee based on what the\n\n151\n00:11:09,809 --> 00:11:11,809\npresent in the house.\n\n152\n00:11:11,911 --> 00:11:14,880\nFrom this table you can see an\naverage size home all gas\n\n153\n00:11:16,916 --> 00:11:19,510\nequipment total fee would be\nover $2,000.\n\n154\n00:11:19,919 --> 00:11:21,919\nAmounts correlated to relative\n\n155\n00:11:23,690 --> 00:11:26,258\nenergy use of equipment that is\nwhy gas furnaces are majority of\n\n156\n00:11:26,359 --> 00:11:28,359\nfee by quite a bit.\n\n157\n00:11:28,762 --> 00:11:30,762\nThat is summary of fee overview.\n\n158\n00:11:32,432 --> 00:11:34,432\nI will now passover to utility\n\n159\n00:11:34,734 --> 00:11:36,734\npresenter to hear from pacific\n\n160\n00:11:39,239 --> 00:11:41,239\npower then cec and then cascade\n\n161\n00:11:41,741 --> 00:11:43,741\nnatural gas.\n\n162\n00:11:46,580 --> 00:11:48,580\n>> I am alisa dunlap.\n\n163\n00:11:50,851 --> 00:11:52,184\nI will wait until she pulls up\nthe slides.\n\n164\n00:11:53,153 --> 00:11:55,153\nI spoke with council a couple\n\n165\n00:11:55,155 --> 00:11:57,155\nmonths ago.\n\n166\n00:11:57,524 --> 00:12:00,590\nmy presentation will be briefer.\nThat doesn't mean the rest of\n\n167\n00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,600\nyou shouldn't ask me questions.\n\n168\n00:12:03,697 --> 00:12:06,132\nFeel free to ask detailed\nquestions as we get into the\n\n169\n00:12:07,734 --> 00:12:09,734\nroundtable discussion.\n\n170\n00:12:10,304 --> 00:12:12,304\nOverview of pacific power.\n\n171\n00:12:13,473 --> 00:12:15,908\nWe serve 600,000 customers\nacross oregon.\n\n172\n00:12:16,642 --> 00:12:18,642\nPrimarily rural utility.\n\n173\n00:12:20,347 --> 00:12:23,315\nWe have service territory, very\nsmall portion of portlands and\n\n174\n00:12:24,417 --> 00:12:26,417\nthen here in central oregon as\n\n175\n00:12:29,756 --> 00:12:32,291\nwell as out on the coast.\nBreaking it down to\n\n176\n00:12:32,926 --> 00:12:34,926\ninfrastructure that serves city\n\n177\n00:12:35,162 --> 00:12:37,162\nof bend.\n\n178\n00:12:37,765 --> 00:12:39,966\nWe have seven existing\nsubstations.\n\n179\n00:12:44,738 --> 00:12:46,738\nIt is where high voltage power\n\n180\n00:12:48,876 --> 00:12:51,678\ncomes in to be stopped down to\nvoltages to serve the homes\n\n181\n00:12:51,779 --> 00:12:53,779\nabbusinesses.\n\n182\n00:12:53,948 --> 00:12:55,948\nThere are seven substations.\n\n183\n00:12:57,551 --> 00:13:00,187\nFive are planned or have been\nupgraded in the last two to\n\n184\n00:13:00,187 --> 00:13:03,155\nthree years.\nTwo more are plan understand the\n\n185\n00:13:08,296 --> 00:13:10,296\nnext two years to be upgraded.\n\n186\n00:13:11,131 --> 00:13:13,131\nWe submitted plans for\n\n187\n00:13:13,133 --> 00:13:15,502\nadditional substation in\nsoutheast bend within the next\nfive years.\n\n188\n00:13:16,604 --> 00:13:18,710\nWhy do I tell about\ninfrastructure?\n\n189\n00:13:19,773 --> 00:13:21,773\nHere is what is existing.\n\n190\n00:13:22,509 --> 00:13:24,509\nWhat is existing is tapped out.\n\n191\n00:13:25,579 --> 00:13:28,148\nWe are actively trying to keep\nup with growth and vitality of\n\n192\n00:13:29,917 --> 00:13:31,917\nthe region much like the city is\n\n193\n00:13:33,354 --> 00:13:36,560\nbuilding roads and sewer to\nexpand serve growing needs of\nthe community.\n\n194\n00:13:38,260 --> 00:13:40,260\nWe are trying to expand the grid\n\n195\n00:13:40,427 --> 00:13:42,427\nto support the growth.\n\n196\n00:13:43,164 --> 00:13:45,164\nHere are details on what growth\n\n197\n00:13:46,934 --> 00:13:48,668\nlooks like in bend.\nThis growth chart council saw\n\n198\n00:13:51,506 --> 00:13:54,750\nbefore, but this represents 3%\ngrowth rate expansion\n\n199\n00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:56,750\nyear-over-year.\n\n200\n00:13:56,644 --> 00:13:58,345\nThe reason the line at the\nbottom does not start at the\n\n201\n00:13:59,647 --> 00:14:01,647\nsame spot is because the\n\n202\n00:14:03,151 --> 00:14:05,151\nbaseline of where we sit for eye\n\n203\n00:14:06,587 --> 00:14:08,587\nelectrical capacity and load has\n\n204\n00:14:08,589 --> 00:14:11,158\ngrown year-over-year and it is\ngetting high here is and higher.\n\n205\n00:14:15,630 --> 00:14:17,630\nBend is second highest growth.\n\n206\n00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:21,401\nBehind redmond.\nBend 3%.\n\n207\n00:14:23,171 --> 00:14:25,172\nRedmond 4.3%.\nPortland is far behind the\n\n208\n00:14:27,508 --> 00:14:29,508\ngrowth of central oregon.\n\n209\n00:14:30,345 --> 00:14:32,345\nThis is our compliance chart.\n\n210\n00:14:32,981 --> 00:14:35,849\nYou have seen this before.\nHb2021 I will give overview.\n\n211\n00:14:37,352 --> 00:14:39,686\nI am sure my colleagues will\nspeak to this regulation.\n\n212\n00:14:41,723 --> 00:14:43,723\nState law passed in 2021.\n\n213\n00:14:48,730 --> 00:14:50,730\nIt requires investor owned\n\n214\n00:14:52,567 --> 00:14:55,102\nutilities to meet targets.\n80% baseline by 2030.\n\n215\n00:14:57,806 --> 00:14:59,206\nThis is projection of emissions\nreductions.\n\n216\n00:15:01,409 --> 00:15:03,944\nWe are in active rfp for\nrenewable resources for oregon.\n\n217\n00:15:04,812 --> 00:15:06,680\nI have good news to report on\nthat front.\n\n218\n00:15:07,983 --> 00:15:10,485\nI thought I wouldn't be able to\nprovide updates until the end of\n\n219\n00:15:10,485 --> 00:15:12,485\nthe year.\n\n220\n00:15:12,921 --> 00:15:14,388\nWe will have preliminary results\navailable this summer.\n\n221\n00:15:15,657 --> 00:15:18,492\nSomething I committed to city\nstaff and council to provide\n\n222\n00:15:19,794 --> 00:15:22,329\nupdates because this is sort of\nkey piece of how you are going\n\n223\n00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:25,599\nabout making these policy\ndecisions.\n\n224\n00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,300\nAs soon as I have preliminary\nresults available I will share\n\n225\n00:15:29,204 --> 00:15:31,204\nthose with council.\n\n226\n00:15:32,908 --> 00:15:34,908\nThis will be the first rfp for\n\n227\n00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:37,900\nrenewable resources since the\n\n228\n00:15:37,846 --> 00:15:40,470\nchanges to federal production\ntax credits.\n\n229\n00:15:46,210 --> 00:15:47,855\nI would be remiss if I did not\nsay in from structure is needed\n\n230\n00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:51,959\nto bring infrastructure to the\nregion.\n\n231\n00:15:52,861 --> 00:15:55,396\nTransmission lines and those\ntake years to build.\n\n232\n00:15:57,466 --> 00:16:00,301\nWe are kind of working in all of\nthese phases concurrently trying\n\n233\n00:16:01,370 --> 00:16:03,370\nto meet the target that are\n\n234\n00:16:07,308 --> 00:16:09,308\ncurrently set in oregon law.\n\n235\n00:16:10,145 --> 00:16:12,145\nLastly, things to consider.\n\n236\n00:16:13,782 --> 00:16:15,850\nInfrastructure as the community\ncontinues to grow.\n\n237\n00:16:17,453 --> 00:16:19,821\nWhere will additional\nsubstations go as we need them\n\n238\n00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:23,230\nor other utilities need them?\n\n239\n00:16:24,193 --> 00:16:26,594\nI put in here just a land\ncalculation so we need three to\n\n240\n00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:30,300\nfive acres for a substation.\n\n241\n00:16:30,199 --> 00:16:32,199\nWe are going to need city\n\n242\n00:16:33,235 --> 00:16:35,470\nsupport on finding places to put\nthe infrastructure.\n\n243\n00:16:37,539 --> 00:16:39,942\nI will say electrical\ninfrastructure is not most\n\n244\n00:16:39,942 --> 00:16:41,942\nexciting.\n\n245\n00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:45,213\nIt comes with controversy.\nAs we build out to support\n\n246\n00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,480\ncommunity we need support of the\n\n247\n00:16:48,584 --> 00:16:50,718\ncity.\nExisting load growth trend.\n\n248\n00:16:51,887 --> 00:16:53,887\nThis is highest growing region.\n\n249\n00:16:55,491 --> 00:16:57,692\nBend is behind redmond as second\nhighest community.\n\n250\n00:17:00,329 --> 00:17:02,330\nWe have a large\ninterconnectionqued for new\nusers.\n\n251\n00:17:03,499 --> 00:17:04,966\nA lot of projects in the\npipeline.\n\n252\n00:17:06,969 --> 00:17:09,437\nThat is all going to be strained\nas we move forward.\n\n253\n00:17:10,172 --> 00:17:12,907\nThat pushes the need for\nadditional infrastructure to be\n\n254\n00:17:14,644 --> 00:17:16,644\nbuilt and support for that.\n\n255\n00:17:18,814 --> 00:17:20,480\nLastly, on compliance.\nHb2021.\n\n256\n00:17:21,651 --> 00:17:23,651\nThe reason that rfp is so\n\n257\n00:17:24,487 --> 00:17:27,356\nimportant to give us market\ncosts what renewable energy is\n\n258\n00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:29,990\ngoing to cost.\n\n259\n00:17:32,194 --> 00:17:33,862\nWithin hb2021 there is\naffordability cost off-ramp.\n\n260\n00:17:34,563 --> 00:17:36,563\nMeaning if the costs are\n\n261\n00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,200\ndetermined to be too high for\n\n262\n00:17:40,269 --> 00:17:42,269\ncustomers, utilities are able to\n\n263\n00:17:43,439 --> 00:17:45,541\npush outcome appliance dates to\npreserve affordability for\n\n264\n00:17:45,541 --> 00:17:47,541\ncustomers.\n\n265\n00:17:47,576 --> 00:17:49,611\nThat is something that is\nunknown at the moment.\n\n266\n00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,800\nI think I would be remiss if I\n\n267\n00:17:53,182 --> 00:17:55,182\ndidn't say there is discussion\n\n268\n00:17:56,886 --> 00:17:58,886\nabout the oregon legislature in\n\n269\n00:18:00,290 --> 00:18:02,290\n2027 potentially pivoting to\n\n270\n00:18:04,930 --> 00:18:06,940\ndifferent emissions reductions\nmodels or regulations.\n\n271\n00:18:07,630 --> 00:18:09,264\nIf that does change we will\ncertainly continue to engage\n\n272\n00:18:10,466 --> 00:18:13,302\nwith city staff on what\ncompliance with whatever the new\n\n273\n00:18:14,938 --> 00:18:17,139\nthing is or if we are on the\ncurrent path we will continue to\n\n274\n00:18:19,309 --> 00:18:21,309\nengage with the community.\n\n275\n00:18:22,378 --> 00:18:23,712\nWith that I am finished with my\npresentation.\n\n276\n00:18:24,681 --> 00:18:26,615\n>> thank you.\nIs there anyone with a question\n\n277\n00:18:26,749 --> 00:18:29,184\nat this point about that\ninformation she presented?\n\n278\n00:18:32,322 --> 00:18:34,322\n>> I have a question.\n\n279\n00:18:35,425 --> 00:18:36,692\nYou talked about affordability\noff-ramp.\n\n280\n00:18:39,662 --> 00:18:41,662\nIt is widely publicized\n\n281\n00:18:41,931 --> 00:18:43,931\nrenewable energy solar and wind\n\n282\n00:18:47,704 --> 00:18:50,272\nis less expensive than gas,\ncoal, nuclear.\n\n283\n00:18:51,908 --> 00:18:54,109\nHow do you judge that?\nThat affordability?\n\n284\n00:18:56,790 --> 00:18:58,790\nHow will that be judged?\n\n285\n00:19:00,116 --> 00:19:02,852\nWhat will the all tentative be\nfor emission free energy.\n\n286\n00:19:06,656 --> 00:19:08,656\nIf you don't hit affordability\n\n287\n00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,328\nyou buy more expensive power?\n>> I am unclear on your\n\n288\n00:19:13,263 --> 00:19:15,331\nquestion.\nRight now the current rfp open\n\n289\n00:19:17,267 --> 00:19:19,267\nfor renewable resources I am\n\n290\n00:19:22,339 --> 00:19:24,573\naware we have solicited bids for\nwind, solar and battery.\n\n291\n00:19:27,511 --> 00:19:29,679\nAll of those would go towards\nhb2021 compliance.\n\n292\n00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:32,348\nI don't know the pricing.\nThat is not public.\n\n293\n00:19:33,416 --> 00:19:35,416\nWe are soliciting bids.\n\n294\n00:19:36,753 --> 00:19:39,656\nwhen we see the pricing against\nthe market and whatever else is\n\n295\n00:19:41,291 --> 00:19:43,291\navailable in our resource\n\n296\n00:19:44,127 --> 00:19:46,896\nportfolio, we will make cost\naffordability calculations at\nthat point.\n\n297\n00:19:48,832 --> 00:19:50,832\nAll of these things have to be\n\n298\n00:19:52,136 --> 00:19:53,569\napproved by the oregon public\nutility commission.\n\n299\n00:19:54,872 --> 00:19:57,740\nWhen we go into present the rfp\nresults, at that point we can\n\n300\n00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:01,430\npoint to market conditions that\n\n301\n00:20:01,545 --> 00:20:03,545\nsay, yes, these are affordable.\n\n302\n00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,160\nHere is the compliance pathway\nwe are currently on.\n\n303\n00:20:07,885 --> 00:20:09,885\nWe expect everything to move\n\n304\n00:20:10,421 --> 00:20:12,421\nforward as shown in that slide\n\n305\n00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,427\nor, no, we need to make\nadjustments what is coming back\n\n306\n00:20:16,427 --> 00:20:18,427\nfrom the market.\n\n307\n00:20:19,263 --> 00:20:21,263\nWe can't tax customers in a way\n\n308\n00:20:22,766 --> 00:20:25,680\nto make power unaffordable.\n>> demand is also rising.\n\n309\n00:20:27,471 --> 00:20:29,471\nYou talked bend is in a growth\n\n310\n00:20:30,274 --> 00:20:32,274\nphase and demand is increasing\n\n311\n00:20:32,743 --> 00:20:34,743\nhere.\n\n312\n00:20:35,379 --> 00:20:38,348\n>> anyone else with a question?\n>> I have a question.\n\n313\n00:20:42,386 --> 00:20:44,386\nAccording to your slide from\n\n314\n00:20:45,222 --> 00:20:47,222\n29-30 you go from 30% to 80%.\n\n315\n00:20:48,826 --> 00:20:51,561\nThat is 50% increase in\nrenewables.\nYou have rfp out.\n\n316\n00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:54,630\nWhat is currently available in\n\n317\n00:20:54,298 --> 00:20:56,298\nthat one year period that is\n\n318\n00:20:58,903 --> 00:21:00,770\ngoing to make your portfolio 50%\nmore?\n\n319\n00:21:01,172 --> 00:21:03,273\n>> we had question about this\nlast time, too.\n\n320\n00:21:05,343 --> 00:21:07,343\nI anticipate when this rfp\n\n321\n00:21:08,646 --> 00:21:10,915\nresults comes to fruition and we\nhave nor information that\ncompliance chart will look\n\n322\n00:21:10,915 --> 00:21:13,750\ndifferent.\nWe will have more renewable\n\n323\n00:21:14,586 --> 00:21:16,586\nenergy resources available in\n\n324\n00:21:17,355 --> 00:21:18,989\nyears prior to 2029.\nI don't think it is going to\n\n325\n00:21:20,525 --> 00:21:22,525\nstay the way it is right now\n\n326\n00:21:22,827 --> 00:21:24,270\nwith significant cliff from 29\nto 30.\n\n327\n00:21:27,231 --> 00:21:29,499\nThis is our best guess based on\nwhat we know of market\n\n328\n00:21:34,539 --> 00:21:35,797\nconditions absence the current\nrfp.\n\n329\n00:21:37,509 --> 00:21:39,709\n>> you were talking about the\ngrowth.\n\n330\n00:21:40,878 --> 00:21:43,347\nMaybe I didn't understand.\nGrowth doesn't show what you are\n\n331\n00:21:44,382 --> 00:21:46,382\ngoing to have to make up for not\n\n332\n00:21:47,151 --> 00:21:49,151\nhaving in gas and utilities\n\n333\n00:21:50,188 --> 00:21:52,188\nwhich is more than 30% growth.\n\n334\n00:21:54,459 --> 00:21:57,160\nIs that accounted for?\n>> natural gas will remain a\n\n335\n00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,202\npart of the electric mix.\nIt is coal that can know longer\n\n336\n00:22:07,272 --> 00:22:09,272\nserve oregon customers in 2030.\n\n337\n00:22:09,674 --> 00:22:11,674\n>> what I am saying the growth\n\n338\n00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,760\nand demand you are going to have\n\n339\n00:22:14,713 --> 00:22:16,713\nto provide to bend.\n\n340\n00:22:19,184 --> 00:22:22,152\n>> from potential move from gas.\nBend is very high growth rate.\n\n341\n00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,657\nI think to do that type of\ncalculation that is very much\n\n342\n00:22:26,958 --> 00:22:28,958\ngetting in the weeds.\n\n343\n00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,361\nI try to keep this high level as\npossible.\n\n344\n00:22:31,763 --> 00:22:33,763\nI am happy to run those numbers.\n\n345\n00:22:33,965 --> 00:22:36,700\nI did run a few of the numbers\nbased on the fee presented from\n\n346\n00:22:38,937 --> 00:22:40,937\nstaff at the last discussion.\n\n347\n00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,600\nWe can talk about that if we\n\n348\n00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:45,943\nneed to get into the details.\n>> what was on the slide is\n\n349\n00:22:46,812 --> 00:22:49,113\nright now without the policy in\nplace?\n\n350\n00:22:50,382 --> 00:22:52,830\n>> right.\n>> something different if policy\n\n351\n00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:54,418\nwas in place?\n>> yes.\n\n352\n00:22:55,554 --> 00:22:56,887\n>> we have two other\npresentations.\n\n353\n00:22:58,957 --> 00:23:00,957\nI don't want to spend 40 to 50\n\n354\n00:23:02,994 --> 00:23:04,995\nminutes so we can have\ndiscussion.\n\n355\n00:23:06,198 --> 00:23:08,933\n>> lisa, how much growth is\ndriven by residential and how\n\n356\n00:23:11,737 --> 00:23:13,737\nmuch driven buy outs\n\n357\n00:23:24,449 --> 00:23:27,840\nbuy out side\nresidential.\n>> most of the growth in\n\n358\n00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,788\nresidential is coming from\nmultifamily housing which is\n\n359\n00:23:31,223 --> 00:23:33,223\nalready electrified.\n\n360\n00:23:34,626 --> 00:23:36,626\nThose are significant.\n\n361\n00:23:38,664 --> 00:23:39,997\nThey are on par with a small\nmanufacturer.\n\n362\n00:23:40,766 --> 00:23:42,330\n>> thank you.\n>> mike.\n\n363\n00:23:42,801 --> 00:23:44,680\n>> I was going to ask the same\nquestion.\n\n364\n00:23:45,470 --> 00:23:47,500\n>> that worked out well.\nGarrett.\n\n365\n00:23:47,873 --> 00:23:49,873\n>> does the timeline for\n\n366\n00:23:52,244 --> 00:23:54,779\nexpansion of infrastructure\ninclude land use or how long it\n\n367\n00:23:55,647 --> 00:23:57,647\ntakes to build substation.\n\n368\n00:23:58,617 --> 00:23:59,984\n>> I don't think I laid out a\ntimeline.\n\n369\n00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:03,388\n>> three to five acres is how\nmuch land we need for\n\n370\n00:24:03,388 --> 00:24:05,388\nsubstation.\n\n371\n00:24:06,725 --> 00:24:08,725\nI used to say you could builds a\n\n372\n00:24:09,161 --> 00:24:11,290\nsubstation in three years.\nThat is rocket speed.\n\n373\n00:24:12,131 --> 00:24:14,131\nIt does take the land use\n\n374\n00:24:14,233 --> 00:24:16,434\nprocess along with ordering long\nlead materials.\n\n375\n00:24:16,769 --> 00:24:19,637\nYou could probably still do it\nin three years.\n\n376\n00:24:22,575 --> 00:24:23,908\nMore like four to five years for\na substation.\n\n377\n00:24:27,713 --> 00:24:30,150\n>> any other questions?\n>> thank you for the\n\n378\n00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:32,150\npresentation.\n\n379\n00:24:34,530 --> 00:24:36,530\nAny strategies that can meet new\n\n380\n00:24:38,925 --> 00:24:40,859\ndemand without transmission?\nLarge load flexibility is a huge\n\n381\n00:24:45,231 --> 00:24:47,231\nopportunity we have when we have\n\n382\n00:24:48,340 --> 00:24:50,340\ncold snaps and heat waves how we\n\n383\n00:24:50,937 --> 00:24:53,772\ncan keep the heat on.\nThey don't meet the multiyear\n\n384\n00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:57,609\ninfrastructure upgrades.\n>> we have robust demand\n\n385\n00:24:57,910 --> 00:24:59,910\nresponse program that is rolled\n\n386\n00:25:00,446 --> 00:25:01,880\nout to commercial and industrial\nfirst.\n\n387\n00:25:03,182 --> 00:25:05,250\nIt came to bend last summer as\nresidential program.\n\n388\n00:25:08,421 --> 00:25:10,622\nWe are heavily encouraging\nenergy efficiency.\n\n389\n00:25:14,427 --> 00:25:16,427\nThose are two major ways we can\n\n390\n00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:18,597\ncurb the need for transmission\ninfrastructure.\n\n391\n00:25:19,899 --> 00:25:22,501\nIt is necessary to get power\nfrom renewable energy resources\n\n392\n00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:29,740\nnot related here or next to a\n\n393\n00:25:31,678 --> 00:25:33,678\nload to serve the load.\n\n394\n00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,880\n>> moving to\n\n395\n00:25:36,749 --> 00:25:39,368\nmoving to cc next.\nYour presentation.\nThank\n\n396\n00:25:41,521 --> 00:25:44,256\nthank you, lisa.\n>> brent ten pas.\n\n397\n00:25:44,891 --> 00:25:46,859\nCentral electric cooperative.\nWe appreciate the opportunity to\n\n398\n00:25:47,127 --> 00:25:49,127\nbe here today.\n\n399\n00:25:51,498 --> 00:25:54,299\nI also want to acknowledge\ncassie and her accessibility and\n\n400\n00:25:55,168 --> 00:25:57,269\nreaching out in good\nconversations with her.\n\n401\n00:26:00,407 --> 00:26:02,740\nVery good productive transparent\nconversations.\n\n402\n00:26:04,577 --> 00:26:06,577\nThank you, cassie.\n\n403\n00:26:07,881 --> 00:26:10,850\nIf pacific power is a rural\nutility, central electric is\n\n404\n00:26:13,753 --> 00:26:15,387\nvery, very rural cooperative\nutility.\n\n405\n00:26:16,957 --> 00:26:18,957\nI will give you brief background\n\n406\n00:26:20,494 --> 00:26:22,494\nwho we are in my day-to-day\n\n407\n00:26:23,530 --> 00:26:25,530\nthere are sometimes a lack of\n\n408\n00:26:25,766 --> 00:26:27,766\nawareness who cec is and who we\n\n409\n00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:31,870\nare in our mission to serve the\n\n410\n00:26:36,776 --> 00:26:38,776\ngreater area.\n\n411\n00:26:42,116 --> 00:26:44,116\nThe co opin the 1940s through\n\n412\n00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:47,519\nthe rural electrification\n\n413\n00:26:50,557 --> 00:26:53,292\nadministration in the f dr\nadministration ranchers and\n\n414\n00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:56,610\nfarmers borrowed 240,000 and\n\n415\n00:26:57,598 --> 00:26:59,966\nstarted to build the system\nthemselves.\nThat has grown over the years.\n\n416\n00:27:03,670 --> 00:27:05,670\nWe have a 5300 square file\n\n417\n00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:10,743\nservice territory across five\ncounties, tri-counties.\n24 substations.\n\n418\n00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:16,470\nWe are currently grading to\n\n419\n00:27:17,484 --> 00:27:19,484\nconstruct a new substation for\n\n420\n00:27:19,887 --> 00:27:21,887\nthe stevens ranch development.\n\n421\n00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:25,570\nWe have 24 substations.\n\n422\n00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:28,460\n4,000 miles of energized\n\n423\n00:27:30,831 --> 00:27:32,831\npowerlines.\n\n424\n00:27:33,133 --> 00:27:34,534\nThere is a snapshot of service\nterritory.\n\n425\n00:27:37,438 --> 00:27:39,806\nIf you go west you are looking\nat the ski resort.\n\n426\n00:27:43,644 --> 00:27:45,644\nEast to iz, about 40 miles east\n\n427\n00:27:46,146 --> 00:27:48,146\nof palina.\n\n428\n00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:51,490\nNorth of madras.\n\n429\n00:27:54,288 --> 00:27:57,230\nAs far south as brothers and I\nforget that little town out\nthere.\n\n430\n00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,396\nWe go pretty far south to\nhampton.\n\n431\n00:28:04,999 --> 00:28:06,999\nThe yellow you see is\n\n432\n00:28:07,301 --> 00:28:08,768\nunincorporated or unallocated\nterritory.\n\n433\n00:28:09,670 --> 00:28:11,670\nIf you are in the yellow area\n\n434\n00:28:11,672 --> 00:28:13,672\nyou have a choice to connect\n\n435\n00:28:14,175 --> 00:28:16,175\nwith cec or pacific power.\n\n436\n00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:20,980\nEverything that you see there in\n\n437\n00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:23,820\npink is pacific power.\n\n438\n00:28:25,453 --> 00:28:26,686\nThat is a snapshot as of the end\nof 2025.\n\n439\n00:28:30,925 --> 00:28:32,925\nWe are primarily residential\n\n440\n00:28:33,628 --> 00:28:35,628\nirrigation frankly has slowly\n\n441\n00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:37,730\nbeen declining over the years\n\n442\n00:28:39,334 --> 00:28:41,868\nfor drought, farming, ranching,\nsecond and third generations\n\n443\n00:28:42,603 --> 00:28:44,805\ndon't want to do it.\nChange in our make up.\n\n444\n00:28:47,709 --> 00:28:49,709\nWe have commercial.\n\n445\n00:28:50,745 --> 00:28:52,212\nAlso our largest number is the\nst. Charles hospital.\n\n446\n00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:56,251\nAt the time it was constructed\nit was so far out it was in the\n\n447\n00:28:56,251 --> 00:28:58,251\nservice territory.\n\n448\n00:28:58,586 --> 00:29:00,586\nThat is an idea of growth over\n\n449\n00:29:02,624 --> 00:29:04,624\nthe decades.\n\n450\n00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:06,792\nZero in on the city of bend.\n\n451\n00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:11,865\nRed line is the border.\nPink is again pacific power.\n\n452\n00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:15,803\nYellow would be unallocated.\nAll of that growth on the east\n\n453\n00:29:15,904 --> 00:29:17,904\ntsai\n\n454\n00:29:23,878 --> 00:29:25,878\non east sideis service territory.\n\n455\n00:29:27,516 --> 00:29:29,516\n7500 members in the city of\n\n456\n00:29:30,117 --> 00:29:32,886\nbend.\nWe will touch on it later.\n\n457\n00:29:33,755 --> 00:29:35,755\nWith growth we will nearly\n\n458\n00:29:35,824 --> 00:29:37,824\ndouble the number of members\n\n459\n00:29:39,894 --> 00:29:41,894\nwithin the city of bend.\n\n460\n00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:44,630\nWe purchase our power through\n\n461\n00:29:44,633 --> 00:29:47,434\nbonneville power administration\nwhich managed columbia river\n\n462\n00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:51,700\npower system.\n\n463\n00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,400\nWe purchase power through\n\n464\n00:29:56,278 --> 00:29:58,146\ngeneration cooperative pngc.\nFuel mix is pretty clean\n\n465\n00:30:01,716 --> 00:30:03,716\ndepending on the water year 89\n\n466\n00:30:05,787 --> 00:30:07,787\nto 93 to 94% emission free.\n\n467\n00:30:08,657 --> 00:30:10,657\nWe have 13% nuclear.\n\n468\n00:30:12,694 --> 00:30:14,694\nWithin that 13% of nonspecified\n\n469\n00:30:15,464 --> 00:30:17,464\nmarket purchases you will see\n\n470\n00:30:19,534 --> 00:30:21,534\nsome small wind and solar.\n\n471\n00:30:22,571 --> 00:30:24,571\nMost of those market purchases\n\n472\n00:30:27,576 --> 00:30:29,576\nare more carbon intensive.\n\n473\n00:30:33,648 --> 00:30:35,648\nThis is important to highlight.\n\n474\n00:30:35,684 --> 00:30:37,684\nBpa is tier rate to balance low\n\n475\n00:30:41,156 --> 00:30:42,423\ncost federal power with\nregional.\n\n476\n00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:46,961\nPublic utilities, municipal\nutilities or co-ops.\n\n477\n00:30:49,365 --> 00:30:51,298\nWe are coming to end of 20 year\ncontract.\n\n478\n00:30:54,403 --> 00:30:56,403\nThat tier 1 power for $40\n\n479\n00:30:57,806 --> 00:30:59,806\nmegawatt comes off hydro system\n\n480\n00:31:03,979 --> 00:31:06,114\nas well as bpa columbia\ngenerating in washington.\n\n481\n00:31:09,818 --> 00:31:11,818\nIt is stable and predictable.\n\n482\n00:31:14,423 --> 00:31:16,423\nTier 2 power is $70 a megawatt.\n\n483\n00:31:19,128 --> 00:31:21,128\nAll of the growth we are\n\n484\n00:31:21,997 --> 00:31:23,997\nexperiencing falls under tier 2.\n\n485\n00:31:26,235 --> 00:31:28,235\nIt is more carbon intensive\n\n486\n00:31:28,971 --> 00:31:30,971\nwhich impacts overall resource.\n\n487\n00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:36,770\nPower costs 52% of our operating\nbudget.\n\n488\n00:31:39,582 --> 00:31:41,582\nBpa power is rising in cost.\n\n489\n00:31:42,518 --> 00:31:44,518\nLast year they implemented 19%\n\n490\n00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,455\nincrease for customers over\nthree years.\n\n491\n00:31:52,228 --> 00:31:53,662\nCec had to go out and raise its\nrates just over 9%.\n\n492\n00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:56,930\nWe are starting cost service\n\n493\n00:31:57,533 --> 00:31:59,533\nanalysis to look at what to do\n\n494\n00:31:59,636 --> 00:32:01,636\nfor this year and the following\n\n495\n00:32:09,712 --> 00:32:11,712\nyear to match that.\n\n496\n00:32:11,881 --> 00:32:13,881\nOrganic growth which I touched\n\n497\n00:32:14,717 --> 00:32:17,485\non we have seen increase 10%\nmembership and we expect that\n\n498\n00:32:18,221 --> 00:32:20,221\nagain over the next five years.\n\n499\n00:32:22,826 --> 00:32:24,826\nThis is not just bend, but it is\n\n500\n00:32:25,895 --> 00:32:27,895\nalso for us northwest redmond\n\n501\n00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,640\nand sisters which is entirely in\n\n502\n00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,135\nour service territory.\nObviously greatest growth is in\n\n503\n00:32:35,138 --> 00:32:37,138\nthe steven road development.\n\n504\n00:32:38,341 --> 00:32:41,243\nAlso the multi-unit housing is\ndriving upload as well.\n\n505\n00:32:41,978 --> 00:32:44,460\nYou also have library there and\njust the other residential that\n\n506\n00:32:44,814 --> 00:32:46,814\nis growing there.\n\n507\n00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,840\nWe understand there is nearly\n\n508\n00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,920\n7500 homes that will pretty much\n\n509\n00:32:53,223 --> 00:32:55,223\ndouble our service meters just\n\n510\n00:32:55,859 --> 00:32:57,859\nwithin the city of bend over the\n\n511\n00:33:03,967 --> 00:33:05,967\nnext few years.\n\n512\n00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,360\nOne of the things to touch on.\n\n513\n00:33:08,805 --> 00:33:10,805\nResource adequacy is an\n\n514\n00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:13,740\nincreasing challenge.\n\n515\n00:33:13,476 --> 00:33:15,476\nOver last two years multiple\n\n516\n00:33:18,415 --> 00:33:20,749\nheadlines about potential\nblackouts, 9 giga watt shortfall\n\n517\n00:33:23,153 --> 00:33:24,987\nin that generation online not\nkeeping pace with that\nshortfall.\n\n518\n00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,900\nPut it into perspective.\n\n519\n00:33:32,229 --> 00:33:35,197\n9 gigawatts would be like nine\n1,000-megawatt power plants.\n\n520\n00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:42,605\nState of oregon uses almost 7\ngigawatts.\nThrow in peak load.\n\n521\n00:33:44,975 --> 00:33:46,975\nThat is almost 9 gigawatts there\n\n522\n00:33:49,179 --> 00:33:51,179\nto put example to that.\n\n523\n00:33:52,516 --> 00:33:54,516\nIt's growing and resource\n\n524\n00:33:55,252 --> 00:33:57,252\nadequacy is becoming ever\n\n525\n00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:00,121\nincreasing issue as well as the\n\n526\n00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:11,801\ncost for power is soaring.\nThe data centers receive much of\n\n527\n00:34:14,571 --> 00:34:16,106\nthe attention and blame for\nsoaring energy demand.\n\n528\n00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,744\nThey are playing a role in it.\nPacific northwest is\n\n529\n00:34:21,978 --> 00:34:23,978\nexperiencing great growth as we\n\n530\n00:34:25,216 --> 00:34:28,840\nalso see here in central oregon.\nGreater electrification of homes\n\n531\n00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:32,656\nincluding heating,\nair-conditioning, water heating,\n\n532\n00:34:33,424 --> 00:34:35,424\nadoption of electric vehicles.\n\n533\n00:34:37,795 --> 00:34:39,795\nThe other thing contributes is\n\n534\n00:34:40,864 --> 00:34:42,999\nretirement of coal and less\nefficient natural gas that are\n\n535\n00:34:44,268 --> 00:34:47,103\nnot replaced.\nDemand is outgrowing what is\n\n536\n00:34:47,738 --> 00:34:49,738\ncoming online.\n\n537\n00:34:51,842 --> 00:34:54,777\nThen you have the thorny knot of\ntransmission constraints.\n\n538\n00:34:56,313 --> 00:34:58,382\nHow will you import these firm\nresources into the state of\n\n539\n00:34:58,382 --> 00:35:00,382\noregon?\n\n540\n00:35:02,453 --> 00:35:04,555\nThe permitting and construction,\neverything that goes into\n\n541\n00:35:04,555 --> 00:35:06,555\nconstruction.\n\n542\n00:35:08,192 --> 00:35:10,560\nThose are all issues as my\ncolleague has to work through\n\n543\n00:35:12,163 --> 00:35:14,163\njust to have transmission to\n\n544\n00:35:14,932 --> 00:35:17,367\nbring in and import that kind of\npower.\n\n545\n00:35:18,969 --> 00:35:20,436\nWe took a serious hit just last\nmonth.\n\n546\n00:35:21,439 --> 00:35:23,439\nMany of you MAY be following\n\n547\n00:35:27,278 --> 00:35:29,646\nwhat is happening with the\nfederal system and lawsuits\n\n548\n00:35:30,548 --> 00:35:32,548\ngoing on for over a decade.\n\n549\n00:35:35,987 --> 00:35:37,987\nA federal judge injunction\n\n550\n00:35:38,489 --> 00:35:40,357\nissued to alter operations of\nbpa system.\n\n551\n00:35:43,761 --> 00:35:45,761\nBottom line is that from APRIL\n\n552\n00:35:46,330 --> 00:35:48,330\ninto summer, they are now going\n\n553\n00:35:48,899 --> 00:35:50,899\nto buy pass generations.\n\n554\n00:35:51,502 --> 00:35:53,690\nLosing several hundred average\nmegawatt.\n\n555\n00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:56,380\nThat is going to be lost for\n\n556\n00:35:57,508 --> 00:36:00,277\npublic power that is pretty much\novernight a 6% increase in costs\n\n557\n00:36:01,779 --> 00:36:03,779\nof power on top of what we just\n\n558\n00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:06,849\nnow have to deal with with the\n\n559\n00:36:08,252 --> 00:36:09,786\nthree year 19% increase in\npower.\n\n560\n00:36:13,324 --> 00:36:14,558\nHow are we meeting future\ndemand?\n\n561\n00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,600\nFirst and foremost we are going\n\n562\n00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:24,660\nto promote efficient electricity\n\n563\n00:36:25,203 --> 00:36:27,938\nuse to reduce tier 2 power\nperforms to keep rates low.\n\n564\n00:36:30,241 --> 00:36:32,743\nWe have never as co-op engaged\nin fuel switching.\n\n565\n00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:35,278\nWe believed that members know\n\n566\n00:36:35,813 --> 00:36:38,348\nwhat is best as far as meeting\ntheir energy needs.\n\n567\n00:36:39,751 --> 00:36:42,719\nwhat we have done over the\ndecades we have very robust\n\n568\n00:36:44,122 --> 00:36:46,122\nenergy efficiency program as\n\n569\n00:36:47,326 --> 00:36:49,660\nwell as rebates and inspections\nto help guide other members\n\n570\n00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,280\nthrough energy choices to really\n\n571\n00:36:54,766 --> 00:36:56,766\nif they choose to electrify and\n\n572\n00:36:57,469 --> 00:36:59,469\ngo with high efficiency\n\n573\n00:37:00,105 --> 00:37:02,274\nappliances to maintain\naffordability and responsible\n\n574\n00:37:02,274 --> 00:37:04,274\nenergy use.\n\n575\n00:37:07,579 --> 00:37:10,548\nYou know, we cannot afford to\nstand idly by and basically have\n\n576\n00:37:12,684 --> 00:37:14,684\nbpa dictate to us what is\n\n577\n00:37:16,188 --> 00:37:18,188\nhappening on tier 2.\n\n578\n00:37:19,424 --> 00:37:21,424\nThrough our co-op we are looking\n\n579\n00:37:22,427 --> 00:37:24,427\nat battery solar in the culver\n\n580\n00:37:25,797 --> 00:37:27,797\narea among 25 members who wants\n\n581\n00:37:29,167 --> 00:37:31,167\nto opt-in to help reduce tier 2\n\n582\n00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:34,438\nreliance on bpa.\nWe have also signed two\n\n583\n00:37:37,476 --> 00:37:39,760\ndifferent power purchasing\nagreements wind and solar to\n\n584\n00:37:42,314 --> 00:37:44,314\nhelp diversify our portfolio.\n\n585\n00:37:48,153 --> 00:37:50,153\nWe are not seeing a lot of cost\n\n586\n00:37:53,626 --> 00:37:55,359\nsavings from tier 2.\nMarginal difference than tier 2.\n\n587\n00:37:58,664 --> 00:38:00,664\nAt the end in wrapping up, as\n\n588\n00:38:00,732 --> 00:38:02,166\nnot for profit member owned\nutility.\n\n589\n00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,200\nOur mission is to provide\n\n590\n00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,408\nelectricity to members at lowest\ncost.\nFulfilling that mission is more\n\n591\n00:38:13,645 --> 00:38:15,645\ndifficult as we look at growth\n\n592\n00:38:19,785 --> 00:38:21,452\nhow the energy industry is\nevolving.\n\n593\n00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:25,550\nWe don't have full appreciation\n\n594\n00:38:25,457 --> 00:38:27,892\nfor what the understanding what\nthose potential financial\n\n595\n00:38:30,162 --> 00:38:32,162\nimpacts would be for members.\n\n596\n00:38:33,499 --> 00:38:36,301\nWe know more load coming on\nincreases tier 2 costs and\n\n597\n00:38:37,369 --> 00:38:39,369\nincreases infrastructure costs\n\n598\n00:38:39,572 --> 00:38:41,572\nsizing things appropriately.\n\n599\n00:38:43,809 --> 00:38:46,440\nWe are looking at the substation\nstevens ranch with hopefully\n\n600\n00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:48,246\nconstruction time of three\nyears.\n\n601\n00:38:50,549 --> 00:38:52,549\nIt will cost about $13 million.\n\n602\n00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,354\nwe are thinking about second\nsubstation to help meet the\n\n603\n00:38:59,558 --> 00:39:01,558\nenergy needs in southeast bend.\n\n604\n00:39:01,727 --> 00:39:04,362\nI will answer questions.\n>> questions?\n\n605\n00:39:04,897 --> 00:39:06,897\nCouncilor mendez.\n\n606\n00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:10,660\n>> thank you.\n\n607\n00:39:10,802 --> 00:39:13,238\nYou said over 90% current mix is\ncarbon emission free.\n\n608\n00:39:14,106 --> 00:39:17,750\nCould you describe what the\nfuture expansion looks like in\n\n609\n00:39:20,112 --> 00:39:21,346\nterms of carbon emission\nprofile.\n\n610\n00:39:24,717 --> 00:39:26,751\n>> cec or bpa?\n>> cec.\n\n611\n00:39:28,354 --> 00:39:30,354\n>> that growth under tier 2 will\n\n612\n00:39:30,723 --> 00:39:32,723\nbe more carbon intensive.\n\n613\n00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:36,460\nI can't put a number on it.\n\n614\n00:39:39,399 --> 00:39:41,800\nWe are proactive with wind and\nsolar to shave some of that off.\n\n615\n00:39:42,969 --> 00:39:44,436\nAs well through energy\nefficiency.\n\n616\n00:39:45,938 --> 00:39:47,938\nWe have a challenge.\n\n617\n00:39:53,112 --> 00:39:55,800\nPotentially that solar with the\nbattary storage in culver could\n\n618\n00:39:55,982 --> 00:39:58,951\nhelp as well.\n>> steve.\n>> you talked about challenges\n\n619\n00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,321\nwith transmission in the area of\nlocal and in the area.\n\n620\n00:40:02,989 --> 00:40:05,560\nYou have city council and staff\nhere listening.\n\n621\n00:40:07,126 --> 00:40:09,126\nHow can we best help?\n\n622\n00:40:09,228 --> 00:40:10,729\n>> we have two different\nchallenges.\n\n623\n00:40:13,799 --> 00:40:15,799\nOur challenge is bpa.\n\n624\n00:40:15,868 --> 00:40:17,868\nBpa is the transmission provider\n\n625\n00:40:18,538 --> 00:40:19,805\nfor almost all of pacific\nnorthwest.\n\n626\n00:40:21,808 --> 00:40:24,109\nTo give you example of the\ntransmission constraints we have\n\n627\n00:40:27,313 --> 00:40:29,313\nbeen experiencing in the primary\n\n628\n00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:31,884\narea lack of transmission\nsurface capacity.\n\n629\n00:40:34,187 --> 00:40:36,187\nWe have spent over 10 years\n\n630\n00:40:39,759 --> 00:40:41,759\nlobbying bpa to increase size of\n\n631\n00:40:43,596 --> 00:40:45,596\nponderosa substation.\n\n632\n00:40:46,399 --> 00:40:48,399\nAs well construct bonanza\n\n633\n00:40:48,802 --> 00:40:50,536\nsubstation to step down that\nhigh voltage power.\n\n634\n00:40:51,538 --> 00:40:53,172\nwe have finally gotten to a\ntipping points.\n\n635\n00:40:54,908 --> 00:40:56,242\nThey are moving forward with\nfunding.\n\n636\n00:40:58,712 --> 00:41:01,513\nI can tell you that timeline has\nalready been pushed out a couple\n\n637\n00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:04,150\nmore years.\n\n638\n00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,840\nWe have gone from looking at\n\n639\n00:41:07,487 --> 00:41:09,487\npotentially having that online\n\n640\n00:41:09,656 --> 00:41:11,656\nin 2029 to maybe 2032.\n\n641\n00:41:15,228 --> 00:41:18,970\nAs those involved in edco know.\nWe have to turn people and\n\n642\n00:41:19,399 --> 00:41:21,399\nindustry away due to those\n\n643\n00:41:22,136 --> 00:41:24,136\nconstraints.\n\n644\n00:41:25,372 --> 00:41:27,773\nI liken bpa to naval aircraft\ncarrier trying to turn it\naround.\n\n645\n00:41:28,976 --> 00:41:30,976\nThat is the challenge we have\n\n646\n00:41:31,512 --> 00:41:33,512\nwhen it comes to transmission.\n\n647\n00:41:35,216 --> 00:41:37,216\n>> thank you.\n\n648\n00:41:40,854 --> 00:41:43,756\nFinal question then cascade.\n>> I think you have similar\n\n649\n00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:46,526\nproblems with distribution\nsystem.\n\n650\n00:41:47,895 --> 00:41:49,895\nHow is the distribution system\n\n651\n00:41:50,264 --> 00:41:52,264\nimpacted when people choose to\n\n652\n00:41:53,934 --> 00:41:56,803\nput solar on their roof as well\nas plugging in electric vehicle\n\n653\n00:41:57,204 --> 00:41:59,204\nand all of that stuff?\n\n654\n00:42:00,174 --> 00:42:02,174\nI have solar on my roof.\n\n655\n00:42:03,110 --> 00:42:05,110\nMy bill is minimal.\n\n656\n00:42:06,313 --> 00:42:07,747\nHow does that help or harm the\ndistribution?\n\n657\n00:42:09,350 --> 00:42:11,385\nWhat is the status of the\ndistribution network.\n\n658\n00:42:11,385 --> 00:42:13,385\n>> two answers.\n\n659\n00:42:13,988 --> 00:42:15,988\nIt is interesting because\n\n660\n00:42:17,224 --> 00:42:19,224\nbelieve\n\n661\n00:42:19,293 --> 00:42:21,293\nresidential rates are low.\n\n662\n00:42:24,732 --> 00:42:27,500\nWe do not have a lot of solar.\n45, $50,000 investment how low\n\n663\n00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,804\nour rates are it didn't pencil\nout.\n\n664\n00:42:31,772 --> 00:42:33,373\nThose that pay that premium for\nsolar.\n\n665\n00:42:35,543 --> 00:42:38,780\nWhen it comes to increasing\nload, electric vehicles,\n\n666\n00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,481\ncharging at home, fully\nelectrifying homes.\n\n667\n00:42:42,883 --> 00:42:44,883\nWhat we have to do with the new\n\n668\n00:42:45,185 --> 00:42:46,553\ndevelopments is resize\ninfrastructure.\n\n669\n00:42:47,488 --> 00:42:50,457\nOne of the biggest concerns was\nif the city was looking at\n\n670\n00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,796\nputting in natural gas rights in\nlegacy neighborhoods that would\n\n671\n00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:03,350\nbe very problematic for cec\n\n672\n00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,640\nbecause the other imagine from\n\n673\n00:43:08,743 --> 00:43:10,100\nstructure was not built to ham\nthat load.\n\n674\n00:43:12,914 --> 00:43:15,882\nMembers pay for infrastructure\nupgrades.\nLine extension the member has to\n\n675\n00:43:17,385 --> 00:43:19,385\npay out of pocket to do that.\n\n676\n00:43:20,989 --> 00:43:23,957\nIt just comes down to knowing\nwhere and when that load is\n\n677\n00:43:24,192 --> 00:43:26,192\nincreasing and making sure we\n\n678\n00:43:26,894 --> 00:43:28,428\nhave the right infrastructure in\nplace.\n\n679\n00:43:29,631 --> 00:43:31,131\nI can't give you a specific\nanswer to that question.\n\n680\n00:43:32,166 --> 00:43:34,166\nI don't know if that helps.\n\n681\n00:43:34,369 --> 00:43:36,369\n>> it does, yes.\n\n682\n00:43:37,405 --> 00:43:39,405\n>> so we will move next to\n\n683\n00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:43,644\ncascade natural gas.\nWe do want to make sure we have\n\n684\n00:43:43,644 --> 00:43:45,644\ntime for discussion.\n\n685\n00:43:47,148 --> 00:43:49,683\nThere are slides from cng in\nthat discussion.\n\n686\n00:43:51,185 --> 00:43:53,185\nStarting the background slides\n\n687\n00:43:54,222 --> 00:43:56,222\nand pause for questions and get\n\n688\n00:43:56,691 --> 00:43:58,691\ninto that.\n\n689\n00:44:00,528 --> 00:44:02,528\n>> I will invite my colleague to\n\n690\n00:44:10,605 --> 00:44:12,605\nstart the presentation.\n\n691\n00:44:12,907 --> 00:44:14,341\n>> good afternoon.\nDon moore.\n\n692\n00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,977\nRegion director for cascade\nnatural gas.\n\n693\n00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:21,150\nI support operations teams\nacross oregon and washington.\n\n694\n00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:24,618\nI grew up central oregon.\nI live here in bend.\n\n695\n00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:30,558\nThis is my first roundtable.\nI saw a roundtable on the invite\n\n696\n00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,726\nand all of the city of bend\ninformation.\n\n697\n00:44:33,929 --> 00:44:36,130\nYet I was surprised when I\nwalked in the room to see the\n\n698\n00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,200\ntable in this configuration.\n\n699\n00:44:40,202 --> 00:44:43,137\nWe appreciate the dialogue we\nhave had with the city of bend.\n\n700\n00:44:43,438 --> 00:44:45,438\nWe want to continue discussions\n\n701\n00:44:45,841 --> 00:44:48,100\nwith the city what a well\ndesigned ordinance MAY look\n\n702\n00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,100\nlike.\n\n703\n00:44:50,812 --> 00:44:52,812\nSpecifically we want to ensure\n\n704\n00:44:54,490 --> 00:44:56,490\nguardrails on housing\n\n705\n00:44:56,351 --> 00:44:58,351\naffordability and energy\n\n706\n00:44:58,420 --> 00:45:01,155\nreliable and path wades to\nrecognize cascade investment in\n\n707\n00:45:02,691 --> 00:45:04,691\nenergy efficiency and low carbon\n\n708\n00:45:05,194 --> 00:45:07,194\nsolutions like renewable natural\n\n709\n00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:09,829\ngas and dual fuel systems.\n\n710\n00:45:10,566 --> 00:45:12,934\nIf the proposal today doesn't\ntake that into consideration we\n\n711\n00:45:15,737 --> 00:45:18,573\nneed to be realistic on the\ndemand on the constrained system\n\n712\n00:45:19,842 --> 00:45:21,842\nand environmental impact of\n\n713\n00:45:22,911 --> 00:45:25,880\ngenerating that electricity.\nIf the city policy does not\n\n714\n00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:28,515\naccount for that it MAY cause\n\n715\n00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,719\nmore problems than it solves.\n\n716\n00:45:33,188 --> 00:45:35,657\nWe hope to work with rather than\nagainst bend.\n\n717\n00:45:36,958 --> 00:45:38,958\nWe have a legal obligation to\n\n718\n00:45:39,562 --> 00:45:41,562\nserve customers in bend and we\n\n719\n00:45:41,864 --> 00:45:43,864\nthink we can make a compelling\n\n720\n00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:46,900\ncase for keeping natural gas as\n\n721\n00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:53,174\npardon of the bend energy mix.\nWe have been serving central\n\n722\n00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:55,809\noregon since 1960s.\n\n723\n00:45:57,513 --> 00:46:00,810\nWe have 62000 customers here in\ncentral oregon, 11 communities.\n\n724\n00:46:08,791 --> 00:46:10,125\nTo the far north madras and far\nsouth shamalt.\n\n725\n00:46:10,826 --> 00:46:12,826\nWe have 35 local employees 25\n\n726\n00:46:18,467 --> 00:46:20,769\nare bargain unit employees.\nPartners at pacific power and\n\n727\n00:46:21,537 --> 00:46:23,537\ncentral oregon electric\n\n728\n00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:26,373\nmentioned resource adequacy.\n\n729\n00:46:26,576 --> 00:46:29,411\nCascade is not at odds with\neither of those utilities.\n\n730\n00:46:31,581 --> 00:46:33,581\nIn fact, inner dependence\n\n731\n00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:36,450\nbetween natural gas and electric\n\n732\n00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,519\nutilities is only increasing.\n\n733\n00:46:39,756 --> 00:46:41,756\nWe have sourced a study.\n\n734\n00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:44,125\nPacific northwest utilities\n\n735\n00:46:46,729 --> 00:46:48,729\nconference committee regional\n\n736\n00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:51,650\nforecast 2025 to 2035.\n\n737\n00:46:51,467 --> 00:46:53,467\nIt lays out in stark terms that\n\n738\n00:46:55,138 --> 00:46:57,138\nthe pacific northwest energy\n\n739\n00:46:57,306 --> 00:46:59,306\nsystem is constrained.\n\n740\n00:47:01,644 --> 00:47:03,578\nNow in the pacific northwest\nwinter peak exceeds summer peak.\n\n741\n00:47:08,651 --> 00:47:10,651\nWhen it gets really cold you\n\n742\n00:47:11,487 --> 00:47:14,289\nneed additional BTUs cascade\nprovides.\n\n743\n00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920\nExtreme weather in JANUARY 14,\n\n744\n00:47:19,462 --> 00:47:22,130\n2024 affected northwest\nincluding bend.\n\n745\n00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,300\nDuring that 24 hour period\n\n746\n00:47:32,709 --> 00:47:34,709\nduring one hour period 607 he --\n\n747\n00:47:37,747 --> 00:47:39,615\n70% of the energy gas came from\nnatural gas.\n\n748\n00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:42,751\nIt is leaned on to provide\ncapacity.\n\n749\n00:47:44,187 --> 00:47:46,187\nThat is there.\n\n750\n00:47:47,724 --> 00:47:50,226\nIndustry leaders in the 10 year\nforecast stressed urgency for\n\n751\n00:47:51,628 --> 00:47:53,628\ncoordination and investment in\n\n752\n00:47:54,264 --> 00:47:56,264\nboth natural gas and electric\n\n753\n00:47:56,566 --> 00:47:58,602\nresources.\nRegional collaboration is\n\n754\n00:47:58,602 --> 00:48:01,503\nessential.\nI believe you MAY not want\n\n755\n00:48:05,976 --> 00:48:07,976\nnatural gas but you need it.\n\n756\n00:48:08,178 --> 00:48:10,178\nThere is an interest and\n\n757\n00:48:10,247 --> 00:48:13,216\nunderstanding local impact of\nemissions.\nResource it is important to step\n\n758\n00:48:13,850 --> 00:48:15,850\nback to understand the relative\n\n759\n00:48:19,656 --> 00:48:21,656\namount of emissions resource is\n\n760\n00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,927\nfrom 2023 oregon department\nenvironmental quality.\n\n761\n00:48:28,732 --> 00:48:30,732\n35% of all emissions in 2023\n\n762\n00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:33,340\ntransportation.\n\n763\n00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:35,870\n29% electricity, 15% natural\n\n764\n00:48:35,973 --> 00:48:37,973\ngas.\n\n765\n00:48:40,143 --> 00:48:42,512\n3.4% of all emissions in 2023\nwere attributed to gas\n\n766\n00:48:42,713 --> 00:48:44,713\ndistributed by cascade.\n\n767\n00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,160\nThat is a small amount, cascade\n\n768\n00:48:48,952 --> 00:48:50,953\nis investing in low carbon\nsolutions.\n\n769\n00:48:53,557 --> 00:48:55,557\nLike rmg and dual fuel systems.\n\n770\n00:48:57,861 --> 00:48:59,861\nI will ask my colleague cole to\n\n771\n00:49:01,231 --> 00:49:03,231\nshare information about those\n\n772\n00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:18,681\ninvestments.\n>> don, quick introduction.\n\n773\n00:49:21,685 --> 00:49:24,200\nI am manager of industrial\nSERVICEs cascade natural gas\n\n774\n00:49:28,759 --> 00:49:30,126\nfocusing on renewable natural\ngas development.\n\n775\n00:49:31,796 --> 00:49:33,796\nI have experience working at\n\n776\n00:49:34,197 --> 00:49:36,566\ncombination electric and gas\nutility and electric\ncooperative.\n\n777\n00:49:37,501 --> 00:49:40,336\nThat being said, I want to\nintroduce you to some of the\n\n778\n00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:44,730\nefforts cascade is doing. In\n\n779\n00:49:46,277 --> 00:49:48,277\naddition to energy efficiency.\n\n780\n00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:51,413\nInvestments in participation r&d\n\n781\n00:49:53,451 --> 00:49:56,860\nthrough gas technology.\nRenewable natural gas.\n\n782\n00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:03,250\nBiogas is existing resource\n\n783\n00:50:03,294 --> 00:50:04,627\nwhether or not used or not is a\ngood question.\n\n784\n00:50:07,231 --> 00:50:09,231\nIt is through decomposition of\n\n785\n00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,603\norganic materials in landfills,\nwaste water treatment,\n\n786\n00:50:15,206 --> 00:50:18,108\nagricultural sites and so forth.\nReally we have avenues to\n\n787\n00:50:19,944 --> 00:50:21,944\nrepurpose this biogas.\n\n788\n00:50:24,749 --> 00:50:26,749\nRefined upgraded to meet utility\n\n789\n00:50:26,851 --> 00:50:29,619\nspecifications and utilized in\nutility transportation.\n\n790\n00:50:30,922 --> 00:50:33,423\nWe make investments in renewable\nnatural gas and we will discuss\n\n791\n00:50:36,461 --> 00:50:38,461\nthose shortly.\n\n792\n00:50:38,529 --> 00:50:40,529\nCascade renewable natural gas\n\n793\n00:50:40,865 --> 00:50:42,865\nefforts are depicted here.\n\n794\n00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:46,350\nThree projects renewable natural\n\n795\n00:50:46,437 --> 00:50:47,871\ngas and two projects under\ndevelopment.\n\n796\n00:50:51,709 --> 00:50:52,976\nOne is locally at the knot\nlandfill.\n\n797\n00:50:57,810 --> 00:50:58,716\nCascade will own and operate the\nnatural gas plant to use that\n\n798\n00:50:59,217 --> 00:51:01,217\nresource in the community.\n\n799\n00:51:01,319 --> 00:51:03,319\nWe are looking forward to the\n\n800\n00:51:04,689 --> 00:51:07,558\nopportunity to capture that,\nrefine and utilize for benefit\n\n801\n00:51:08,293 --> 00:51:10,293\nof customers.\n\n802\n00:51:12,130 --> 00:51:14,130\nCascade efforts in renewable\n\n803\n00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,736\nnatural gas are landfills and\nwastewater treatment plant\nbeing.\n\n804\n00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,141\nWe have voluntary renewable gas\nprogram you can receive supply\n\n805\n00:51:26,770 --> 00:51:28,770\nof\n\n806\n00:51:29,681 --> 00:51:31,681\ngas that can help us drive our\n\n807\n00:51:33,418 --> 00:51:35,418\nefforts in this emerging\n\n808\n00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:37,254\ntechnology space.\nAdditionally in bend we are\n\n809\n00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:41,392\nworking on dual fuel heat pump\nsystem program.\n\n810\n00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:46,620\nThis is trying to understand is\n\n811\n00:51:46,131 --> 00:51:47,665\nutilization of dual fuel heat\npumps.\n\n812\n00:51:48,767 --> 00:51:50,767\nCan this be better system that\n\n813\n00:51:50,936 --> 00:51:53,471\ncan benefit both electric and\nnatural gas companies\n\n814\n00:51:54,206 --> 00:51:56,206\nalleviating demand constraints\n\n815\n00:51:56,208 --> 00:51:57,942\nexisting or future demand\nconstraints.\n\n816\n00:51:59,578 --> 00:52:01,578\nWhile also leveraging heating\n\n817\n00:52:05,483 --> 00:52:08,190\ncooling for customers more\ncost-effective both summer and\n\n818\n00:52:08,487 --> 00:52:10,955\nwinter.\nWe believe it has great\n\n819\n00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,494\nopportunity to benefit both\nconstrainted grid and meet\n\n820\n00:52:17,963 --> 00:52:19,963\ncustomer needs in local area and\n\n821\n00:52:21,133 --> 00:52:23,133\nexpanded service territories.\n\n822\n00:52:23,335 --> 00:52:25,335\n>> I will ask to pause and check\n\n823\n00:52:32,244 --> 00:52:34,244\nin with questions so far.\n\n824\n00:52:35,481 --> 00:52:37,481\nR and g this is a time to ask\n\n825\n00:52:39,218 --> 00:52:41,218\nquestions before the policy.\n\n826\n00:52:44,123 --> 00:52:46,123\n>> your colleague said 3.4% of\n\n827\n00:52:46,993 --> 00:52:48,993\nall emissions.\n\n828\n00:52:49,361 --> 00:52:50,540\nAttributed to cascade natural\ngas.\n\n829\n00:52:55,501 --> 00:52:57,501\nDoes that include emissions\n\n830\n00:52:58,470 --> 00:53:00,400\nattributed to distribution\nleaks?\n\n831\n00:53:01,173 --> 00:53:03,173\n>> when you say distribution.\n\n832\n00:53:03,242 --> 00:53:05,242\nThese emissions are to the\n\n833\n00:53:07,613 --> 00:53:09,714\nvolumes we provide new customers\ncustomers.\n\n834\n00:53:11,584 --> 00:53:13,584\nIn use molecules we report on.\n\n835\n00:53:13,986 --> 00:53:16,421\nWhen you talk about\ntransportation can you provide\n\n836\n00:53:17,923 --> 00:53:19,923\nmore context?\n\n837\n00:53:20,459 --> 00:53:22,459\n>> I am hearing no.\n\n838\n00:53:23,729 --> 00:53:25,296\nWould not account for\ndistribution leaks?\n\n839\n00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,869\n>> I can answer that question.\n>> so we can make sure it is on\n\n840\n00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:35,390\nthe recording.\n\n841\n00:53:35,308 --> 00:53:37,742\nSystems emissions.\n>> I didn't hear that.\n\n842\n00:53:39,278 --> 00:53:41,278\n>> it is called system emissions\n\n843\n00:53:42,248 --> 00:53:44,248\nand gas distributed.\n\n844\n00:53:44,850 --> 00:53:46,500\n>> other questions.\nSarah.\n\n845\n00:53:49,488 --> 00:53:51,690\n>> I am curious about results of\ndual fuel heat pump.\n\n846\n00:53:52,224 --> 00:53:54,960\nWhat data you expect to share\nand what that would be shared\n\n847\n00:53:56,395 --> 00:53:58,597\nwith the community.\n>> reference there the gas\n\n848\n00:53:58,597 --> 00:54:00,165\ntechnology institute is project\npartner.\n\n849\n00:54:01,667 --> 00:54:03,667\nThey are active in utility\n\n850\n00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:07,140\nindustry for pilots and research\nand development opportunities.\n\n851\n00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:09,140\nPresentation that was presented\n\n852\n00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:13,245\na few weeks ago at a large\nindustry conference.\n\n853\n00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,116\nPublicly available.\nPreliminary findings can be\n\n854\n00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:20,185\nreferenced now then full\nfindings anticipated to be in\n\n855\n00:54:22,989 --> 00:54:24,989\nabout a year.\n\n856\n00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,862\nLooking to utilize over a full\ncalendar year to understand how\n\n857\n00:54:31,431 --> 00:54:34,320\nthey operate for our customers.\n>> mike.\n>> can you talk about the full\n\n858\n00:54:39,372 --> 00:54:41,372\ncost to deliver r and g to\n\n859\n00:54:42,442 --> 00:54:44,442\ncapital plus deliver recompared\n\n860\n00:54:45,512 --> 00:54:47,512\nto cost of natural gas.\n\n861\n00:54:50,830 --> 00:54:52,485\nWhat is magnitude.\n>> renewable gas is more\n\n862\n00:54:52,485 --> 00:54:54,485\nexpensive.\n\n863\n00:54:55,889 --> 00:54:57,322\nWe are to comply with\nregulations.\n\n864\n00:54:59,259 --> 00:55:01,259\nAt time of evaluations it was\n\n865\n00:55:01,895 --> 00:55:03,862\nmost cost-effective to meet\nobligations.\n\n866\n00:55:03,896 --> 00:55:05,896\nScope and scale.\n\n867\n00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,401\nMy understanding based on\nprevious analysis.\n\n868\n00:55:10,637 --> 00:55:12,637\n[Inaudible]\n\n869\n00:55:12,939 --> 00:55:14,740\nHigher offsetting needs for gas\nsupply.\n\n870\n00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:18,420\nThose equivalent volumes on\n\n871\n00:55:19,212 --> 00:55:21,380\nboard injecting are serving\nneeds of environmental\n\n872\n00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:25,150\nrequirements and offsetting\n\n873\n00:55:25,852 --> 00:55:27,852\nnatural gas volumes we would\n\n874\n00:55:28,922 --> 00:55:31,824\ntypically source from fossil\nfuel.\n>> steve.\n>> I am interested in the\n\n875\n00:55:32,590 --> 00:55:34,590\nlandfill capture locally.\n\n876\n00:55:34,594 --> 00:55:36,762\nHow it is flared off.\nTwo questions.\n\n877\n00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,568\nHow many homes could be heated\nusing that?\n\n878\n00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:48,400\nWhat is expected timelie to get\nusable renewable natural gas off\n\n879\n00:55:48,241 --> 00:55:50,241\nthat site?\n\n880\n00:55:53,413 --> 00:55:55,715\n>> if you don't mind pivoting\nback one slide.\n\n881\n00:55:57,551 --> 00:55:59,551\nIn state of oregon customers in\n\n882\n00:56:03,624 --> 00:56:05,458\nlast evaluation last year 672\nterms.\n\n883\n00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:10,296\nAnticipated injecting\n2.5 million terms.\n\n884\n00:56:11,565 --> 00:56:13,565\n3700 homes worth of gas\n\n885\n00:56:15,169 --> 00:56:17,203\nassociated with our volumes\nthere.\n\n886\n00:56:17,738 --> 00:56:19,738\nAs far as lifespan.\n\n887\n00:56:21,608 --> 00:56:24,428\nI will acknowledge the fact the\nknot landfill is scheduled to\nclose.\n\n888\n00:56:25,713 --> 00:56:28,548\nThat is to move forward with\nthis opportunity, this plant\n\n889\n00:56:29,650 --> 00:56:31,650\nwill utilize gas continually\n\n890\n00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,989\ngenerated over the lifetime\nwhich we are involved for 20\n\n891\n00:56:34,989 --> 00:56:36,989\nyear period.\n\n892\n00:56:37,191 --> 00:56:39,826\nThere will be renewable natural\ngas sourced from that site for\n\n893\n00:56:41,996 --> 00:56:43,996\nat least the next 20 years.\n\n894\n00:56:47,401 --> 00:56:49,903\n>> 3700 homes off that site?\n>> that's correct.\n>> thanks.\n\n895\n00:56:50,371 --> 00:56:52,371\n>> any other questions?\n\n896\n00:56:54,108 --> 00:56:56,776\n>> go ahead.\n>> my understanding r and g from\n\n897\n00:56:59,613 --> 00:57:01,613\na variety of feedstocks.\n\n898\n00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:09,540\nDairyman neurojects withdairyman now\n\n899\n00:57:13,261 --> 00:57:15,261\ndairy and man new.\n\n900\n00:57:17,365 --> 00:57:19,365\nIs cascade uses environmental\n\n901\n00:57:19,433 --> 00:57:22,680\nattributes from that gas?\n>> you are correct in the fact\n\n902\n00:57:23,471 --> 00:57:25,471\nthat different r and g sources\n\n903\n00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,976\nhave different carbon intensity\nassociated with them.\n\n904\n00:57:29,277 --> 00:57:31,811\nCompany is not involved with\nanything with dairy.\n\n905\n00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:34,780\nReason is most of those projects\n\n906\n00:57:36,851 --> 00:57:38,851\nare sourced in the low carbon\n\n907\n00:57:39,921 --> 00:57:41,921\nfuel standard in transportation\n\n908\n00:57:42,123 --> 00:57:44,591\nindustry bigger financial\ndriver.\n\n909\n00:57:47,962 --> 00:57:49,962\nFederally mandated.\n\n910\n00:57:50,765 --> 00:57:52,765\nFor purposes of compliance in\n\n911\n00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,300\noregon more carbon agonotic.\n\n912\n00:57:57,171 --> 00:58:00,107\nNot necessarily focusing on\nlarger investments with dairy\n\n913\n00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:03,710\nfacility with large digester to to\nbe installed.\n\n914\n00:58:04,479 --> 00:58:06,280\nNot something we are currently\ninvolved in.\n\n915\n00:58:06,881 --> 00:58:09,516\nNot saying won't be involved in\nthe future depending on the\n\n916\n00:58:09,951 --> 00:58:11,951\nstate policies.\n\n917\n00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,120\n>> if cascade gets involved in\n\n918\n00:58:14,756 --> 00:58:16,756\nthe future those attributes\n\n919\n00:58:16,858 --> 00:58:18,858\ndon't help with the cpp\n\n920\n00:58:19,694 --> 00:58:22,530\ncompliance is that correct\nunderstanding?\n\n921\n00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:25,660\nDepending how we are involved\nwith the project we have\n\n922\n00:58:27,268 --> 00:58:30,204\ndifferent structures.\nCarbon compliance could be\n\n923\n00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:33,940\nsourced and utilized if we are\n\n924\n00:58:38,246 --> 00:58:41,148\ninvolved with that project.\nMethane, raw gas and environment\n\n925\n00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:44,830\ntell attributes associated.\n\n926\n00:58:44,619 --> 00:58:46,619\n>> anyone else with a question?\n\n927\n00:58:49,124 --> 00:58:51,124\nWhat I will ask cascade to do.\n\n928\n00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:53,961\nNext slides are general\nfeedback.\nSkip to implementation to make\n\n929\n00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:57,300\nsure we get on record your\n\n930\n00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:00,334\nfeedback on implementation\ntimeframe and exemptions that\n\n931\n00:59:01,169 --> 00:59:03,270\nare two things we are discussing\ntoday.\n\n932\n00:59:04,673 --> 00:59:06,673\nMove to that slide and whoever\n\n933\n00:59:08,944 --> 00:59:11,646\nis presenting on that slide for\nimplementation timeframe.\n\n934\n00:59:13,515 --> 00:59:15,716\n>> I would be glad to speak to\nthat.\n\n935\n00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:19,190\nAlyn spector from cascade\nnatural gas.\n\n936\n00:59:20,356 --> 00:59:22,523\nI appreciate the opportunity to\nspeak at round table about\n\n937\n00:59:24,359 --> 00:59:26,359\npotential ways to avoid\n\n938\n00:59:26,662 --> 00:59:28,729\nunintended consequences of a\npotential fee.\n\n939\n00:59:29,598 --> 00:59:31,699\nFirst, we feel strongly\nespecially after hearing\n\n940\n00:59:33,435 --> 00:59:35,435\nfeedback of electric utilities\n\n941\n00:59:36,605 --> 00:59:38,605\nthat until compliance is\n\n942\n00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:41,700\ndemonstrated with hb2021 there\n\n943\n00:59:41,577 --> 00:59:43,577\nis no guarantee it is going to\n\n944\n00:59:43,812 --> 00:59:46,681\nreduce carbon emissions.\nTo put this in place.\n\n945\n00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,619\nWe would ask that at the very\nleast pacific power will have\nresults this summer.\n\n946\n00:59:53,622 --> 00:59:56,557\nThat is critical information and\nthey are able to meet their\n\n947\n00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:00,295\ngoals, the ordinance shouldn't\nmove forward.\n\n948\n01:00:00,295 --> 01:00:02,295\nLikewise, we have been working\n\n949\n01:00:03,332 --> 01:00:05,332\nwith the city with the dual fuel\n\n950\n01:00:07,436 --> 01:00:09,904\npilot we put together that pairs\nelectric heat pump and gas\n\n951\n01:00:10,105 --> 01:00:12,105\nfurnace to allow each to do what\n\n952\n01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:14,308\nthey do best.\n\n953\n01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:17,378\nFull findings integrated in\nMARCH 2027.\n\n954\n01:00:18,514 --> 01:00:20,916\nWe would love to have that pilot\ncomplete and provide that data\n\n955\n01:00:22,885 --> 01:00:24,886\nto the city to help inform what\nmoves forward.\n\n956\n01:00:26,722 --> 01:00:29,491\nIf the ordinance does pass we\nencourage the city explore this\n\n957\n01:00:31,227 --> 01:00:33,828\nas multiyear pilot program.\nImplementation phased in\novertime.\n\n958\n01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:37,320\nI think it is very important to\npay attention to impacts to\n\n959\n01:00:39,135 --> 01:00:41,803\nenergy costs, to demand on grid\nfor resource adequacy.\n\n960\n01:00:42,438 --> 01:00:44,438\nImpacts to carbon to make sure\n\n961\n01:00:45,741 --> 01:00:48,143\nwe are avoiding unintended\nconsequences.\n\n962\n01:00:49,545 --> 01:00:52,214\nBecause some of this analysis\nthat the city had shared in\n\n963\n01:00:53,716 --> 01:00:55,716\nprevious discussion showed\n\n964\n01:00:57,419 --> 01:00:58,687\npotential for carbon to\nincrease.\n\n965\n01:01:01,524 --> 01:01:03,524\nat least until such time as\n\n966\n01:01:05,928 --> 01:01:07,928\npacific power was meeting hb\n\n967\n01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:10,300\nhb2021.\n\n968\n01:01:11,134 --> 01:01:13,134\nLanguage also mandate that it be\n\n969\n01:01:13,769 --> 01:01:15,769\ndiscontinued if there are\n\n970\n01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,840\nresource adequacy issues,\n\n971\n01:01:20,576 --> 01:01:21,843\ntargets not met or increases\nobserved.\n\n972\n01:01:23,613 --> 01:01:25,847\nWe know the city would be\ntransparent on this.\n\n973\n01:01:28,151 --> 01:01:29,985\nWe want to re-enforce revenue\nallocation should be transparent\n\n974\n01:01:35,124 --> 01:01:37,759\nto the public.\nModifications to strengthen\n\n975\n01:01:38,962 --> 01:01:40,396\nordinance avoid unintended\nconsequences.\n\n976\n01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:43,130\nLike we said, it is very\n\n977\n01:01:43,967 --> 01:01:46,936\nimportant to consider utility's\ncapacity to meet state carbon\n\n978\n01:01:50,206 --> 01:01:52,206\ngoals, look from a full fuel\n\n979\n01:01:54,277 --> 01:01:56,277\ncycle electric and gas gas\n\n980\n01:01:57,113 --> 01:01:59,148\nperspective as well.\nPacific power ability to meet\n\n981\n01:02:02,819 --> 01:02:04,819\n2021 or looking electric fuel\n\n982\n01:02:04,821 --> 01:02:06,821\nmix as r and g is put into our\n\n983\n01:02:06,823 --> 01:02:08,823\nplanning documents and shown to\n\n984\n01:02:11,761 --> 01:02:13,362\ncomply with cpp, we ask that be\ntaken into consideration when\n\n985\n01:02:13,797 --> 01:02:15,364\nyou are looking at incremental\ncarbon.\n\n986\n01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967\nIn terms of utility system.\n\n987\n01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,438\nIt is critical that before this\nordinance is forwarded that\n\n988\n01:02:24,708 --> 01:02:26,708\nthere be an analysis of winter\n\n989\n01:02:28,110 --> 01:02:30,110\npeak impacts to ensure that\n\n990\n01:02:31,915 --> 01:02:34,483\ndisplaced demand can be met by\nthe electric utilities.\n\n991\n01:02:36,987 --> 01:02:38,754\nKeeping an eye on potential off\nraches.\n\n992\n01:02:42,993 --> 01:02:44,560\nThe electric utilities\nexperience infrastructure\n\n993\n01:02:45,195 --> 01:02:47,529\nconstraints.\nIf the intent of this ordinance\n\n994\n01:02:49,232 --> 01:02:51,232\nto reduce carbon, pathways for\n\n995\n01:02:54,604 --> 01:02:56,604\nlow efficiency electric\n\n996\n01:02:57,674 --> 01:02:59,674\nequipment be eliminated.\n\n997\n01:03:00,177 --> 01:03:02,177\nSo in terms of exemptions.\n\n998\n01:03:04,348 --> 01:03:06,348\nI'm sure a lot of folks at the\n\n999\n01:03:06,416 --> 01:03:09,352\ntable have feedback.\nWe would love to see an\n\n1000\n01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,200\nexemption for affordable housing\n\n1001\n01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:15,625\nand housing for first time home\nbuyers, understanding that bend\n\n1002\n01:03:17,561 --> 01:03:19,328\nis struggling with housing\naffordability issues.\n\n1003\n01:03:21,932 --> 01:03:23,933\nI think that just as members of\nthe community we want to make\n\n1004\n01:03:25,136 --> 01:03:27,136\nsure the folks that work in bend\n\n1005\n01:03:29,173 --> 01:03:30,940\nare able to live in bend as\nwell.\n\n1006\n01:03:34,780 --> 01:03:36,790\nHave potential delays on the\nexemption for the fee.\n\n1007\n01:03:36,947 --> 01:03:39,349\nIf there are impacts to\ndevelopment or if there is\n\n1008\n01:03:41,318 --> 01:03:44,153\ndelays that result from\ninfrastructure constraints for\n\n1009\n01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,791\nincremental electric demand.\nMaking sure infrastructure can\n\n1010\n01:03:50,628 --> 01:03:52,495\nbe built out to meet demand\ndisplaced by gas.\n\n1011\n01:03:53,464 --> 01:03:55,464\nIf we are able to comply with\n\n1012\n01:03:56,366 --> 01:03:58,366\nthe climate protection program,\n\n1013\n01:03:58,936 --> 01:04:00,117\nthere is a risk of\nof\n\n1014\n01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,239\nrisk of redone dancy\n\n1015\n01:04:04,275 --> 01:04:06,275\nin design of ordinance.\n\n1016\n01:04:06,910 --> 01:04:08,910\nIf we are in good faith\n\n1017\n01:04:10,815 --> 01:04:12,782\ncomplying with cpp fee remain\ndormant unless we are not able\n\n1018\n01:04:13,417 --> 01:04:15,719\nto make compliance.\nThe other piece.\n\n1019\n01:04:17,121 --> 01:04:20,900\nGas plays a critical role in\nresource adequacy.\n\n1020\n01:04:20,858 --> 01:04:22,858\nGas and electric system work\n\n1021\n01:04:23,494 --> 01:04:25,494\ntogether very effective way.\n\n1022\n01:04:29,934 --> 01:04:32,802\nWe ask dual fuel and emergency\nback up health and safety value\n\n1023\n01:04:37,508 --> 01:04:39,508\nto homeowners to have that dual\n\n1024\n01:04:40,111 --> 01:04:41,411\nfuel system except in the fee.\nReductions.\n\n1025\n01:04:43,247 --> 01:04:45,247\nBacking off the incremental\n\n1026\n01:04:49,654 --> 01:04:51,654\ncarbon from amount of r and g in\n\n1027\n01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:55,559\nsystem through integrated\nresource plan.\n\n1028\n01:04:57,962 --> 01:04:59,962\nReally what we are saying is we\n\n1029\n01:05:00,131 --> 01:05:02,131\ncan't afford to have the fee\n\n1030\n01:05:02,533 --> 01:05:04,533\nraising energy costs and carbon.\n\n1031\n01:05:05,269 --> 01:05:07,269\nThat just means making sure that\n\n1032\n01:05:07,472 --> 01:05:09,472\nthis is done the right way, that\n\n1033\n01:05:09,741 --> 01:05:11,741\nthe correct analysis goes into\n\n1034\n01:05:15,113 --> 01:05:17,113\nthe design of the ordinance and\n\n1035\n01:05:18,716 --> 01:05:20,716\nthat until carbon targets are\n\n1036\n01:05:20,919 --> 01:05:22,919\nmet, electrification targets are\n\n1037\n01:05:27,859 --> 01:05:30,694\nmet, this fee lie dormants.\nIt is not decarbonization.\n\n1038\n01:05:32,897 --> 01:05:34,198\nAs previous city presentations\nhave shown.\n\n1039\n01:05:37,436 --> 01:05:39,436\nThere is a risk for some path\n\n1040\n01:05:39,437 --> 01:05:41,437\nways with lower efficiency\n\n1041\n01:05:42,173 --> 01:05:44,173\nequipment until the targets met\n\n1042\n01:05:45,777 --> 01:05:47,777\nwith 2021, carbon MAY increase.\n\n1043\n01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,516\nKeep that in mind.\nWe feel like ordinance should be\n\n1044\n01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,520\ndelayed until 2021 can be met.\n\n1045\n01:06:00,580 --> 01:06:03,270\nWe want to avoid duplicate fees\nby waiving charge if in\ncompliance with climate\n\n1046\n01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:07,630\nprotection and delaying\n\n1047\n01:06:07,699 --> 01:06:10,367\nordinance until hybrid study\ncomplete.\nWe are glad to continue to work\n\n1048\n01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,840\nwith the city to help forward\n\n1049\n01:06:18,343 --> 01:06:20,978\ndecarbonization solutions.\nWe appreciate the time.\n\n1050\n01:06:21,947 --> 01:06:23,947\n>> that is a good transition to\n\n1051\n01:06:26,818 --> 01:06:28,652\nthe discussion around these two\ncategories, cascade gave input\n\n1052\n01:06:31,823 --> 01:06:34,525\nto implementation timeline and\nexception.\nCassie has a couple slides.\n\n1053\n01:06:36,361 --> 01:06:38,361\nI want folks to give perspective\n\n1054\n01:06:38,764 --> 01:06:41,198\non those two things as well.\nWhat are the things on the list\n\n1055\n01:06:42,934 --> 01:06:45,670\nyou you agree or disagree with?\nWhat should the city do in these\n\n1056\n01:06:47,473 --> 01:06:49,473\ntwo areas.\n\n1057\n01:06:49,975 --> 01:06:51,309\nCassie will get us starting with\nexemptions.\n\n1058\n01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440\n>> two topics we are looking for\n\n1059\n01:06:56,381 --> 01:06:58,381\ninput on.\n\n1060\n01:07:00,953 --> 01:07:02,953\nExceptions and implementation.\n\n1061\n01:07:05,757 --> 01:07:07,250\nExemptions we have three topics\nor ideas.\n\n1062\n01:07:08,727 --> 01:07:10,795\nSome came up from our utility\npresenters and other discussions\n\n1063\n01:07:11,897 --> 01:07:13,631\nwith the council or community\nmembers.\n\n1064\n01:07:16,402 --> 01:07:17,702\nThe three topics we would like\nfeedback on.\n\n1065\n01:07:19,738 --> 01:07:21,706\nWhether there should be\nexemption for deed restricted\n\n1066\n01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,440\naffordable housing, homes with\n\n1067\n01:07:27,179 --> 01:07:29,814\ndual fuel heat pumps and homes\nusing renewable natural gas.\n\n1068\n01:07:32,418 --> 01:07:34,418\nI think conversation on\n\n1069\n01:07:34,453 --> 01:07:36,588\nrenewable natural gas as we\nthought about this in the last\n\n1070\n01:07:37,323 --> 01:07:39,323\nweek.\n\n1071\n01:07:43,196 --> 01:07:45,196\nIt feels it MAY be challenging\n\n1072\n01:07:45,464 --> 01:07:47,464\nto exempt a single home.\n\n1073\n01:07:48,734 --> 01:07:50,902\nMore broadly should there\nbecomedation for use of\n\n1074\n01:07:51,671 --> 01:07:54,339\nrenewable natural gas on\nindividual home basis or\n\n1075\n01:07:55,541 --> 01:07:57,541\npotentially as cascade proposed\n\n1076\n01:07:59,450 --> 01:08:01,346\nthat it would be factored into\nthe fee equation.\n\n1077\n01:08:02,748 --> 01:08:04,748\nThe mix of the fee equation and\n\n1078\n01:08:06,552 --> 01:08:07,853\nthen it would be adjusted\nsystem-wide.\n\n1079\n01:08:10,356 --> 01:08:12,356\nThose are the three ideas.\n\n1080\n01:08:13,192 --> 01:08:15,192\nAffordable housing, rng and\n\n1081\n01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:19,698\nother additional ideas from\nround table participants.\n\n1082\n01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:22,990\n>> for our participants.\n\n1083\n01:08:24,203 --> 01:08:26,400\nIf you want to comment on these\nideas, present your own ideas\n\n1084\n01:08:27,340 --> 01:08:29,441\nthis is the point to get that\nconversation started.\n\n1085\n01:08:30,943 --> 01:08:32,943\nWe have committee folks,\n\n1086\n01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:35,450\naffordable housing committee.\n\n1087\n01:08:35,114 --> 01:08:37,683\nI can guess what you might want\nto say.\n\n1088\n01:08:38,217 --> 01:08:40,217\nWhoever wants to start us off.\n\n1089\n01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:42,620\nWe are gathering information.\n\n1090\n01:08:44,324 --> 01:08:45,690\nWe are all respectful of every\none's position.\n\n1091\n01:08:46,859 --> 01:08:48,859\nWe want to hear conflicting\n\n1092\n01:08:49,262 --> 01:08:51,262\npositions how to deliberator on\n\n1093\n01:08:52,432 --> 01:08:54,866\nthis to be pick.\nGarrett, kick us off.\n\n1094\n01:08:57,704 --> 01:09:00,406\n>> deed restricted affordable\nhousing look at ami target\n\n1095\n01:09:01,674 --> 01:09:03,674\nknowing bend's housing crisis is\n\n1096\n01:09:04,978 --> 01:09:06,978\naround the entire.\n\n1097\n01:09:09,783 --> 01:09:11,783\nI am throwing that out there for\n\n1098\n01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:15,454\nconsideration.\n>> other thoughts?\n\n1099\n01:09:17,824 --> 01:09:19,824\nNo, we shouldn't have\n\n1100\n01:09:21,961 --> 01:09:24,530\nhave the\nexemptions.\n\n1101\n01:09:26,499 --> 01:09:29,401\nWe want to hear it all.\n>> mandy.\n>> the affordable housing\n\n1102\n01:09:31,738 --> 01:09:33,907\ncommittee does want an exemption\nfor deed restricted affordable\n\n1103\n01:09:33,907 --> 01:09:35,907\nhousing.\n\n1104\n01:09:38,144 --> 01:09:40,144\nI would agree with garrett that\n\n1105\n01:09:40,347 --> 01:09:43,215\nmaybe we should extend that just\nbecause we do have a problem\n\n1106\n01:09:45,252 --> 01:09:47,252\nwith our middle housing as\n\n1107\n01:09:48,555 --> 01:09:49,889\nwell-being more affordable in\nbend.\n\n1108\n01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,159\n>> can you both expand?\n\n1109\n01:09:54,194 --> 01:09:56,194\nQuantify what you mean by middle\n\n1110\n01:09:57,130 --> 01:09:59,130\nhousing what that looks like.\n\n1111\n01:09:59,433 --> 01:10:01,000\n>> I will throw it up there 120%\nis our preference.\n\n1112\n01:10:04,171 --> 01:10:06,171\nOpen to conversation on that.\n\n1113\n01:10:06,973 --> 01:10:09,800\n>> that is online with what we\nend up with as well.\n\n1114\n01:10:09,343 --> 01:10:11,343\n>> other thoughts?\n\n1115\n01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,140\nI know people have them.\n>> general question.\n\n1116\n01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:18,550\nAre we talking about what could\n\n1117\n01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:21,850\nbe done with the fee if there is\n\n1118\n01:10:22,789 --> 01:10:24,757\na fee imposed to help offset\nthat?\n\n1119\n01:10:25,192 --> 01:10:28,270\n>> not today.\nRevenue is going to be spent\n\n1120\n01:10:28,929 --> 01:10:30,929\nthat is a separate conversation.\n\n1121\n01:10:30,998 --> 01:10:32,998\nIf that helps you think about\n\n1122\n01:10:34,468 --> 01:10:36,936\nthe exemption feel free\nfree to\n\n1123\n01:10:37,437 --> 01:10:39,437\nexpand on that.\n\n1124\n01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,640\n>> environment and climate\n\n1125\n01:10:43,344 --> 01:10:45,913\ncommittee supports exemption\ndeed restricted affordable\n\n1126\n01:10:45,913 --> 01:10:48,282\nhousing.\nMost is all electric.\n\n1127\n01:10:48,282 --> 01:10:50,282\nThis\n\n1128\n01:10:51,485 --> 01:10:53,485\nthis is a signal from ecc to\n\n1129\n01:10:53,854 --> 01:10:55,854\nremove barriers to affordable\n\n1130\n01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:58,190\nhousing as bend needs more.\n\n1131\n01:11:00,561 --> 01:11:03,396\nI can go down the list for dual\nfuel equipment.\n\n1132\n01:11:04,598 --> 01:11:06,598\nEcc does not support exemption.\n\n1133\n01:11:07,535 --> 01:11:10,203\nWe support fee reduction for\nmixed fuel heating systems.\n\n1134\n01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:13,907\nWe think adding heat pump should\nbe acknowledged.\n\n1135\n01:11:18,679 --> 01:11:20,679\nWe don't want to create loophole\n\n1136\n01:11:21,549 --> 01:11:23,549\nwhere you don't pay a fee.\n\n1137\n01:11:25,219 --> 01:11:28,122\nYou can adjust settings so gas\nkicks in at 50\n.\n\n1138\n01:11:28,122 --> 01:11:30,122\nThat would be a gas system.\n\n1139\n01:11:32,590 --> 01:11:34,594\nWe want to have the rate be\nconservative reflecting\n\n1140\n01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:37,290\ncontinued gas use and\n\n1141\n01:11:38,232 --> 01:11:40,299\nrecognizing the contribution of\nelectric heat pump.\n\n1142\n01:11:43,337 --> 01:11:45,337\nIn terms of rng we do not\n\n1143\n01:11:45,406 --> 01:11:47,741\nsupport exemption or reduction\nfor rng.\n\n1144\n01:11:50,811 --> 01:11:53,647\nIt is simply injected into the\ngas apply with other fuels.\n\n1145\n01:11:56,384 --> 01:11:58,618\nRng is important and useful.\nIt should be prioritized for\n\n1146\n01:12:00,888 --> 01:12:02,888\nmore hard to electrify sectors\n\n1147\n01:12:03,724 --> 01:12:05,726\nsuch as heavy industry and\ntransportation and not\n\n1148\n01:12:06,494 --> 01:12:08,494\nresidential buildings that are\n\n1149\n01:12:09,397 --> 01:12:12,299\neasier to electrify.\n>> all right.\n\n1150\n01:12:13,267 --> 01:12:14,468\nOther thoughts?\nSarah.\n\n1151\n01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:17,770\n>> I guess I was going to second\n\n1152\n01:12:19,507 --> 01:12:21,507\nthe comment around ami level\n\n1153\n01:12:22,343 --> 01:12:24,343\nalso 80 and 120 from chamber\n\n1154\n01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:27,614\nperspective work force housing\nband is important to focus on.\n\n1155\n01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:30,149\nOne other thing we are talking\n\n1156\n01:12:30,985 --> 01:12:32,985\nabout and this is not pertaining\n\n1157\n01:12:33,521 --> 01:12:35,521\nto multi-family per se defining\n\n1158\n01:12:36,558 --> 01:12:38,558\nwhat that looks like because in\n\n1159\n01:12:44,532 --> 01:12:46,532\nsome instances like quad or\n\n1160\n01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,680\nduplex or quadplex.\n\n1161\n01:12:49,237 --> 01:12:51,237\nWhat that looks\n\n1162\n01:12:52,774 --> 01:12:55,642\nlooks like to ensure\nbuilders are aware of that.\n\n1163\n01:12:58,790 --> 01:13:00,790\n>> when we talked about the fee\n\n1164\n01:13:00,248 --> 01:13:02,248\nnot applying to large\n\n1165\n01:13:02,584 --> 01:13:04,218\nmulti-family developments.\nIs there ability to be clear in\n\n1166\n01:13:06,488 --> 01:13:08,889\nour code what that means and\nwhat this would apply to?\n\n1167\n01:13:09,424 --> 01:13:11,424\n>> it is something we plan to\n\n1168\n01:13:12,494 --> 01:13:14,828\nbring to the council on APRIL 22\nbecause that question.\n\n1169\n01:13:15,130 --> 01:13:17,130\nwe have heard from the council\n\n1170\n01:13:17,966 --> 01:13:19,633\nwe don't want to apply to\nmulti-family.\n\n1171\n01:13:20,936 --> 01:13:23,904\nWhere is that cut off?\nWe entered discussions with\n\n1172\n01:13:26,408 --> 01:13:29,143\nstaff this week to define those.\nWe will talk about it with the\ncouncil.\n\n1173\n01:13:29,344 --> 01:13:31,344\nI would rather wait.\n\n1174\n01:13:35,484 --> 01:13:37,484\nWe are actively discussing it.\n\n1175\n01:13:37,519 --> 01:13:39,519\nI would like to wait.\n\n1176\n01:13:39,755 --> 01:13:41,288\n>> they are flagging for\nclarity.\n\n1177\n01:13:42,924 --> 01:13:44,924\n>> in the definitions what the\n\n1178\n01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,396\ncode is applicable to where that\nwould be defined and we will\n\n1179\n01:13:48,697 --> 01:13:50,697\ninclude that in the discussion\n\n1180\n01:13:52,768 --> 01:13:54,769\non the 22nd.\n>> scott.\n\n1181\n01:13:54,903 --> 01:13:56,903\n>> thanks.\n\n1182\n01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,942\nHuman rights commission would\nsupport deed restricted\n\n1183\n01:14:01,476 --> 01:14:03,476\naffordable housing exemption\n\n1184\n01:14:03,979 --> 01:14:06,180\nalong with affordable housing\nadvisory committee recognizing\n\n1185\n01:14:07,816 --> 01:14:09,816\nto be fair and equitable with\n\n1186\n01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,120\nthat middle range up to 120%.\n\n1187\n01:14:13,489 --> 01:14:16,457\nJust wanted to emphasize that\nfrom our perspective.\n\n1188\n01:14:21,463 --> 01:14:23,463\nThank you.\n\n1189\n01:14:27,703 --> 01:14:29,703\n>> go ahead.\n\n1190\n01:14:29,805 --> 01:14:31,805\n>> affordable housing.\n\n1191\n01:14:32,741 --> 01:14:34,741\nWe think the vast majority of\n\n1192\n01:14:36,145 --> 01:14:38,145\naffordable housing is already\n\n1193\n01:14:38,213 --> 01:14:41,182\nall electric or multi-family\nthat is do nothing addition to\n\n1194\n01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:43,750\nthe policy.\n\n1195\n01:14:46,388 --> 01:14:48,389\nFrom my perspective the looming\nequity issue I see around\n\n1196\n01:14:49,258 --> 01:14:51,258\nexpanding fossil-fuel network\n\n1197\n01:14:52,328 --> 01:14:54,328\nand this is in the oregon state\n\n1198\n01:14:55,764 --> 01:14:57,764\nenergy strategy.\n\n1199\n01:14:58,367 --> 01:15:00,367\nRisks of having gas asset and\n\n1200\n01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,272\nhaving homeowner middle or low\nincome or renter sadeled with\n\n1201\n01:15:04,807 --> 01:15:06,807\ngetting gas out of the house\n\n1202\n01:15:08,978 --> 01:15:10,712\nthat is equity crisis on the\nhorizon.\n\n1203\n01:15:13,582 --> 01:15:14,849\nAnything to reduce fossil fuel\nexpansion.\n\n1204\n01:15:15,952 --> 01:15:18,920\ntwo-thirdses gas bill today are\nmaintenance and that is not\ngoing away.\n\n1205\n01:15:20,623 --> 01:15:22,623\nIt is important we neat goals\n\n1206\n01:15:23,993 --> 01:15:25,993\ntoday.\n\n1207\n01:15:27,363 --> 01:15:29,363\nI want everybody to be cognizant\n\n1208\n01:15:30,266 --> 01:15:31,933\nthe more we build out the\nfossil-fuel.\n\n1209\n01:15:34,337 --> 01:15:36,337\nMore we take to electric fiit is\n\n1210\n01:15:39,776 --> 01:15:41,776\ngoing to disproportionately hit\n\n1211\n01:15:42,311 --> 01:15:44,613\npeople least able to deal with\nthat.\n\n1212\n01:15:46,616 --> 01:15:48,784\nMulti fuel equipment cascade\npilot is good example.\n\n1213\n01:15:51,287 --> 01:15:53,287\nThere are many combinations dual\n\n1214\n01:15:55,791 --> 01:15:57,791\nfuel house.\n\n1215\n01:15:58,528 --> 01:16:00,528\nDifferent heat pumps.\n\n1216\n01:16:00,830 --> 01:16:03,598\nSet points tweaked differently\nby different renters.\n\n1217\n01:16:04,767 --> 01:16:06,767\nThe range of outcomes is huge.\n\n1218\n01:16:09,306 --> 01:16:10,872\nAs city is considering that, be\nconservative and realistic.\n\n1219\n01:16:11,741 --> 01:16:13,741\nNot every house is switching\n\n1220\n01:16:15,111 --> 01:16:16,311\nfrom gas to electric at 35\n.\n\n1221\n01:16:18,147 --> 01:16:21,490\nRealistic carbon benefit is more\nmarginal when we think in\n\n1222\n01:16:25,756 --> 01:16:28,624\npractice how dual fuel systems\nare rolled out.\nRenewable natural gas.\n\n1223\n01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:34,950\nLast time I was at industry\n\n1224\n01:16:35,832 --> 01:16:38,330\nconference in nashville we had\nlunch or dinner with three\n\n1225\n01:16:38,134 --> 01:16:40,570\nseparate clients.\nThey were all talking about a\n\n1226\n01:16:40,570 --> 01:16:42,570\ncool project.\n\n1227\n01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,240\nIt was not the same project.\n\n1228\n01:16:46,776 --> 01:16:48,776\nI would expect gas utilities\n\n1229\n01:16:48,845 --> 01:16:51,460\nlooking at the small pool of\navailable projects.\n\n1230\n01:16:54,170 --> 01:16:56,170\nWe shouldn't be hedging bets\n\n1231\n01:16:57,287 --> 01:16:59,287\nthat cascade will meet all\n\n1232\n01:16:59,789 --> 01:17:00,990\ncompliance goals through rng\nalone.\n\n1233\n01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,294\nPublic utility commission has\nnot acknowledge would long-range\n\n1234\n01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:08,930\nplanning to comply with cpp.\n\n1235\n01:17:11,134 --> 01:17:12,968\nCity of bend should be cognizant\nof that.\n\n1236\n01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:16,205\n>> allen for your long-range\nplan.\n\n1237\n01:17:17,700 --> 01:17:19,700\nWhen do you think that will go\n\n1238\n01:17:19,309 --> 01:17:21,309\nthrough the process and be\n\n1239\n01:17:22,579 --> 01:17:24,579\ncomplete for you and your plans?\n\n1240\n01:17:26,830 --> 01:17:28,830\n>> I might defer to my colleague\n\n1241\n01:17:32,523 --> 01:17:34,523\non that.\n\n1242\n01:17:34,691 --> 01:17:36,259\n>> context when you say\ncommission recognition.\n\n1243\n01:17:39,129 --> 01:17:41,129\nCan you clarify how you view\n\n1244\n01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,320\nthat?\n\n1245\n01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,769\n>> cascade was making\ninsufficient supporting\n\n1246\n01:17:48,172 --> 01:17:50,172\nassumptions about cost.\n\n1247\n01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:53,709\nThey do not think cost\n\n1248\n01:17:54,211 --> 01:17:56,211\nassumptions are realistically\n\n1249\n01:17:58,820 --> 01:18:00,820\nguaranteeing low rates.\n\n1250\n01:18:00,684 --> 01:18:02,684\nHow does cascade resolve that if\n\n1251\n01:18:06,991 --> 01:18:09,859\nit is 90% of compliance\nportfolio?\n\n1252\n01:18:15,766 --> 01:18:17,935\n>> that is a specific question.\n>> what I am looking for is\n\n1253\n01:18:17,935 --> 01:18:19,935\ntimelines.\n\n1254\n01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:22,372\nThat is what we are talking\nabout today.\n\n1255\n01:18:24,208 --> 01:18:26,643\nImplementation timelines.\nWhen is pacific power going to\n\n1256\n01:18:26,944 --> 01:18:29,450\ncomply?\nTimelines for you all.\n\n1257\n01:18:30,347 --> 01:18:32,749\nWe know there are specific\nplaces and back and forth.\n\n1258\n01:18:35,586 --> 01:18:37,220\nWhat is the expectation when we\nget to the point where you have\n\n1259\n01:18:39,123 --> 01:18:41,123\na plan that is the thing you are\n\n1260\n01:18:41,225 --> 01:18:43,225\nimplementing?\n\n1261\n01:18:43,494 --> 01:18:45,494\n>> absolutely.\n\n1262\n01:18:47,765 --> 01:18:50,134\nBest cost options of rng.\nTimeline I can't speak to that\n\n1263\n01:18:50,134 --> 01:18:53,360\ntodays.\nI will be glad to follow up with\n\n1264\n01:18:53,671 --> 01:18:56,539\nthe city with more detail.\nWhat I will say the projects\n\n1265\n01:18:58,476 --> 01:19:00,476\nthat we are discussing today.\n\n1266\n01:19:00,978 --> 01:19:02,646\nThere are three that are fully\noperational right now.\n\n1267\n01:19:04,916 --> 01:19:06,916\nIt is more than hypothetical.\n\n1268\n01:19:07,552 --> 01:19:09,552\nIn terms how that is going to be\n\n1269\n01:19:10,721 --> 01:19:12,823\nutilized for cpp compliance we\ncontinue to have those\n\n1270\n01:19:13,691 --> 01:19:16,660\nconversations with regulators.\nIf it is a priority of\n\n1271\n01:19:17,495 --> 01:19:19,495\ncommunities that is for\n\n1272\n01:19:19,664 --> 01:19:21,999\ncompliance that is something we\nwould take back to integrated\n\n1273\n01:19:23,634 --> 01:19:25,634\nresource planning team.\n\n1274\n01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:27,870\nWe would start that conversation\n\n1275\n01:19:28,139 --> 01:19:30,139\nto work with the city to\n\n1276\n01:19:32,944 --> 01:19:34,944\nincorporate that in a way that\n\n1277\n01:19:37,150 --> 01:19:39,850\nis satisfactory to the city and\nregulators.\nWe would be happy to continue\n\n1278\n01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,840\nthose discussions.\n\n1279\n01:19:44,789 --> 01:19:46,523\n>> for councilors to gather\ninformation.\n\n1280\n01:19:47,292 --> 01:19:49,292\nWe are not at the same level\n\n1281\n01:19:49,594 --> 01:19:51,594\nmany of you are.\n\n1282\n01:19:53,198 --> 01:19:55,198\nWhen you talk in acronyms, I ask\n\n1283\n01:19:55,266 --> 01:19:58,203\nthat you take it on a level we\ncan understand.\n\n1284\n01:19:58,203 --> 01:20:00,203\n>> I apologize.\n\n1285\n01:20:04,242 --> 01:20:06,242\n>> that is okay.\n\n1286\n01:20:07,211 --> 01:20:08,845\nWe haven't heard from david or\njohn.\n\n1287\n01:20:10,148 --> 01:20:12,148\nYou don't have to if there is\n\n1288\n01:20:12,751 --> 01:20:14,751\nanything to add.\n\n1289\n01:20:16,821 --> 01:20:18,821\n>> I will go ahead.\n\n1290\n01:20:19,624 --> 01:20:21,992\nLocal 290 would support deed\nrestriction for affordable\n\n1291\n01:20:22,427 --> 01:20:24,427\nhousing.\n\n1292\n01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:28,364\n120 ami.\n\n1293\n01:20:29,401 --> 01:20:31,401\nObviously we are in full support\n\n1294\n01:20:32,637 --> 01:20:34,637\nhomes with dual fuel equipment.\n\n1295\n01:20:34,806 --> 01:20:37,775\nI have had it in my homes in\ncentral oregon since 2002.\n\n1296\n01:20:39,277 --> 01:20:41,712\nThey work great.\nThey both supply when the\n\n1297\n01:20:44,115 --> 01:20:46,115\ntemperatures are low and gas can\n\n1298\n01:20:47,753 --> 01:20:49,620\nmake up that difference.\nWhen the heat pumps can't.\n\n1299\n01:20:50,154 --> 01:20:51,489\nThey work very well in this\nclimate.\n\n1300\n01:20:53,525 --> 01:20:56,294\nThat is something that needs to\nbe thought of, too.\n\n1301\n01:21:00,232 --> 01:21:02,232\nDual fuel projects like that are\n\n1302\n01:21:02,601 --> 01:21:04,601\ndifferent in different climate.\n\n1303\n01:21:05,704 --> 01:21:07,704\nThis climate supports the good\n\n1304\n01:21:08,707 --> 01:21:10,707\ndual fuel program.\n\n1305\n01:21:10,742 --> 01:21:12,742\nMild climates not so much.\n\n1306\n01:21:13,946 --> 01:21:15,946\nWe have pretty decent winters,\n\n1307\n01:21:17,116 --> 01:21:19,116\nnot this year.\n\n1308\n01:21:19,318 --> 01:21:20,751\nRenewable natural gas we support\n100%.\n\n1309\n01:21:22,488 --> 01:21:24,488\nTo think in the future to add to\n\n1310\n01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:27,859\nthat just because technologies\nchange and things change.\n\n1311\n01:21:28,927 --> 01:21:30,927\nWhat might be available changes\n\n1312\n01:21:34,833 --> 01:21:36,833\nis there might be hydrogen mix\n\n1313\n01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:39,669\nin natural gas to do the same\n\n1314\n01:21:41,173 --> 01:21:43,173\nthing to reduce carbon of the\n\n1315\n01:21:43,709 --> 01:21:46,344\ngas.\n>> john.\n>> can we go back.\n\n1316\n01:21:47,746 --> 01:21:49,746\nThere was a stat about the\n\n1317\n01:21:51,250 --> 01:21:53,250\nimpact of carbon from cascade\n\n1318\n01:21:53,752 --> 01:21:55,752\nnatural gas presented that\n\n1319\n01:21:56,488 --> 01:21:58,488\nshowed that 15% emissions from\n\n1320\n01:21:59,658 --> 01:22:02,427\nnatural gas versus 29% from\nelectricity.\n\n1321\n01:22:04,163 --> 01:22:06,163\nCan you help us understand that?\n\n1322\n01:22:07,133 --> 01:22:09,133\nIt makes it stand like the\n\n1323\n01:22:09,435 --> 01:22:11,435\nimpact of electricity has twice\n\n1324\n01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:19,100\nthe carbon outputna natural gas\nis that twice supply coming from\n\n1325\n01:22:22,415 --> 01:22:25,116\nelectricity versus natural gas?\nHow do we understand.\n\n1326\n01:22:26,252 --> 01:22:29,220\n>> I will share sources for the\nstudy to provide more\ninformation.\n\n1327\n01:22:30,623 --> 01:22:32,623\nSome of it does pertain to\n\n1328\n01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:35,260\nscaling the delivery of gas\n\n1329\n01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:38,950\nversus delivery of electricity\n\n1330\n01:22:40,232 --> 01:22:43,100\nlooking at the fuel mix of the\nelectric system today.\n\n1331\n01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:45,970\nLooking at the direct use of\n\n1332\n01:22:48,141 --> 01:22:50,141\nnatural gas versus the use of\n\n1333\n01:22:50,309 --> 01:22:51,610\nnonrenewable energy for electric\ngeneration.\n\n1334\n01:22:52,612 --> 01:22:54,813\nThere are multiple factors that\ngo into that.\n\n1335\n01:22:55,782 --> 01:22:57,782\nI would be very happy to make\n\n1336\n01:22:57,984 --> 01:22:59,984\nsure -- there is a link to the\n\n1337\n01:23:01,521 --> 01:23:04,356\nsource on the slides now up on\nthe city website.\n\n1338\n01:23:06,259 --> 01:23:08,259\n>> in the deq study from oregon.\n\n1339\n01:23:08,661 --> 01:23:11,396\nGood question.\n>> I guess that's still trying\n\n1340\n01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,100\nto process what you are saying.\nHowever, I guess in terms what\n\n1341\n01:23:18,404 --> 01:23:20,404\nis asked in exemptions here.\n\n1342\n01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:26,545\nConversations at bdad support\nexemptions around deed\n\n1343\n01:23:27,146 --> 01:23:29,146\nrestricted affordable housing we\n\n1344\n01:23:29,649 --> 01:23:31,649\nbelieve the housing crisis is\n\n1345\n01:23:32,452 --> 01:23:34,452\nreal and we want to support ways\n\n1346\n01:23:34,821 --> 01:23:37,123\nto offset that impact to\nhomeowners.\n\n1347\n01:23:38,291 --> 01:23:40,291\nWe support continuing to do\n\n1348\n01:23:40,293 --> 01:23:42,294\nprojects dual fuel proof of\nconcept.\n\n1349\n01:23:43,563 --> 01:23:45,563\nThere needs to be more data to\n\n1350\n01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:49,340\nsupport the fee structure and\noutcomes that that ultimately\n\n1351\n01:23:50,336 --> 01:23:52,336\ngets passed to the home owners.\n\n1352\n01:23:54,474 --> 01:23:56,474\nThose are the discussions we\n\n1353\n01:23:58,745 --> 01:24:00,790\nhave.\n>> garrett.\n\n1354\n01:24:01,381 --> 01:24:03,381\n>> there is a lot of action at\n\n1355\n01:24:03,683 --> 01:24:05,683\nthe state to reduce fears to\n\n1356\n01:24:06,987 --> 01:24:08,987\nbuilding certain housing types,\n\n1357\n01:24:09,923 --> 01:24:12,224\ncondos in the triplex, fourplex\nand beyond.\n\n1358\n01:24:12,759 --> 01:24:15,728\nMaybe consideration for\nexemptions to hold off on those\n\n1359\n01:24:17,664 --> 01:24:19,866\nhousing types to begin with to\nlet progress play out to see if\n\n1360\n01:24:21,735 --> 01:24:23,735\nwe can bring to market rather\n\n1361\n01:24:24,370 --> 01:24:25,337\nthan adding hurdle to\ndevelopment.\n\n1362\n01:24:26,973 --> 01:24:28,841\n>> something to separate by\nhousing types.\n\n1363\n01:24:29,943 --> 01:24:31,943\nOther thoughts on exemptions.\n\n1364\n01:24:32,212 --> 01:24:34,212\nIf you think of one later we\n\n1365\n01:24:35,182 --> 01:24:36,382\nwill come back to you.\nSarah.\n\n1366\n01:24:37,851 --> 01:24:39,851\n>> a couple comments about the\n\n1367\n01:24:41,755 --> 01:24:43,956\nstranded asset for exemptions of\nami's of housing.\n\n1368\n01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,495\nAll homes will be dual fuel.\nInfrastructure will be laid for\n\n1369\n01:24:50,970 --> 01:24:52,970\ngas and electricity because of\n\n1370\n01:24:52,990 --> 01:24:54,990\nthe nature of the choice issue.\n\n1371\n01:24:58,539 --> 01:25:00,606\nI think that eliminates concept\nof stranded asset.\n\n1372\n01:25:02,576 --> 01:25:04,576\nThink about this broadly when we\n\n1373\n01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,480\nthink about what that ami\nexemption would look like.\n>> thank you.\n\n1374\n01:25:11,418 --> 01:25:13,850\nI think to make sure we are\ngrounding for anyone watching.\n\n1375\n01:25:14,488 --> 01:25:16,488\nWe are talking about one time\n\n1376\n01:25:17,825 --> 01:25:19,825\nfee at beginning of new\n\n1377\n01:25:22,162 --> 01:25:24,162\nconstruction.\n\n1378\n01:25:25,432 --> 01:25:27,100\nThese exemptions at time of new\nconstruction.\n\n1379\n01:25:29,503 --> 01:25:31,503\nFinal thoughts on exemptions\n\n1380\n01:25:34,241 --> 01:25:36,542\nbefore implementation timeline.\nRobin.\n\n1381\n01:25:40,781 --> 01:25:42,781\n>> I wanted to add that ecc only\n\n1382\n01:25:43,951 --> 01:25:45,951\nsupports one exemption deed\n\n1383\n01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,220\nrestricted affordable housing.\nWe want to limit exemption.\n\n1384\n01:25:51,326 --> 01:25:53,326\nEvery exemption reduces\n\n1385\n01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,360\nemissions that this has.\n\n1386\n01:25:55,663 --> 01:25:57,663\nEvery exemption adds\n\n1387\n01:25:58,299 --> 01:26:00,299\nadministrative burden to the\n\n1388\n01:26:01,569 --> 01:26:04,400\npolicy, additional tracking,\ncalculations, enforcement.\n\n1389\n01:26:05,740 --> 01:26:08,275\nWe have had 20% of the snowpack\nin deschutes.\n\n1390\n01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:11,110\nWe need more climate action now.\n\n1391\n01:26:11,846 --> 01:26:13,947\nThose exemptions limit impact of\nthe policy.\n\n1392\n01:26:15,316 --> 01:26:17,316\nWe advocate for less exemptions.\n\n1393\n01:26:20,855 --> 01:26:22,855\n>> thank you for that.\n\n1394\n01:26:23,357 --> 01:26:25,357\n>> one consideration not voiced\n\n1395\n01:26:26,227 --> 01:26:28,227\nis winter heating via electric\n\n1396\n01:26:28,963 --> 01:26:31,465\nis more demand than summer.\nIf there are developments that\n\n1397\n01:26:34,436 --> 01:26:36,436\ncannot meet that incremental\n\n1398\n01:26:37,472 --> 01:26:39,472\ndevelopment that regards large\n\n1399\n01:26:40,808 --> 01:26:42,808\nupgrades by electric utilities\n\n1400\n01:26:42,844 --> 01:26:44,844\nthey would penalize and delay\n\n1401\n01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,880\nwhile that infrastructure is\n\n1402\n01:26:48,549 --> 01:26:50,549\nbuilt out gas resource adequacy\n\n1403\n01:26:51,853 --> 01:26:54,221\nto mead that and get that up and\nrunning sooner.\n>> final thought?\n\n1404\n01:26:58,226 --> 01:27:00,226\n>> I had other ideas.\n\n1405\n01:27:00,595 --> 01:27:02,595\n>> any home that has natural gas\n\n1406\n01:27:04,933 --> 01:27:07,202\nthat is going to include solar.\nPut an exemption on home that\n\n1407\n01:27:07,202 --> 01:27:09,202\nhas that.\n\n1408\n01:27:10,605 --> 01:27:12,605\nAnother one could be any home\n\n1409\n01:27:15,443 --> 01:27:18,178\nthat for the future behind every\nappliance has both gas and\nelectric.\n\n1410\n01:27:18,913 --> 01:27:20,913\nWhat they choose now can be\n\n1411\n01:27:21,182 --> 01:27:23,784\nwhatever service they want.\nIt could be changed at any\npoint.\n\n1412\n01:27:26,187 --> 01:27:28,187\nNot extra cost down the road.\n\n1413\n01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:30,490\nit is already available and\n\n1414\n01:27:30,659 --> 01:27:33,527\nbuilt into the home.\n>> thoughts on those ideas?\n\n1415\n01:27:34,396 --> 01:27:37,332\n>> one thing on solar.\nEcc we touched on that in our\n\n1416\n01:27:37,332 --> 01:27:39,332\nlast meeting.\n\n1417\n01:27:40,636 --> 01:27:42,636\nIf we want to add solar to the\n\n1418\n01:27:42,938 --> 01:27:45,873\nconversation we don't want\nexemption but reduced fee in\ncalculation.\n\n1419\n01:27:46,341 --> 01:27:48,341\nThat would be based on the size\n\n1420\n01:27:48,844 --> 01:27:50,611\nof the system and size of the\nhouse.\n\n1421\n01:27:54,316 --> 01:27:56,316\nAs we know with the grid being\n\n1422\n01:27:56,618 --> 01:27:58,618\ndirty, these local renewable\n\n1423\n01:27:58,820 --> 01:28:00,820\nemissions could really support\n\n1424\n01:28:01,123 --> 01:28:03,123\nto make that grid cleaner.\n\n1425\n01:28:03,392 --> 01:28:06,160\nWe don't want it as exemption.\nYou could have one panel on your\n\n1426\n01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:08,562\nhome and that would eliminate\nthe fee.\n\n1427\n01:28:10,165 --> 01:28:13,134\nWe want to acknowledge addition\nof solar because we think it is\n\n1428\n01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:16,870\nan important part of this\n\n1429\n01:28:17,639 --> 01:28:20,341\nconversation, a reduction.\n>> brennan.\n\n1430\n01:28:22,511 --> 01:28:24,511\n>> reiterate robin's point as\n\n1431\n01:28:25,347 --> 01:28:27,347\nwell and when we consider\n\n1432\n01:28:27,883 --> 01:28:29,883\nexemptions look in totality.\n\n1433\n01:28:30,286 --> 01:28:32,920\nWhat can realistically be\nadministered by a team of two in\n\n1434\n01:28:32,988 --> 01:28:35,756\nthe city.\nBack to sarah's point.\n\n1435\n01:28:42,231 --> 01:28:44,231\nI want to push back on the idea\n\n1436\n01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:48,569\nstranded assets are a stranded\nissue.\n\n1437\n01:28:49,738 --> 01:28:51,738\nAffordable single family housing\n\n1438\n01:28:52,274 --> 01:28:54,274\nbuilt all electric in bend and\n\n1439\n01:28:54,710 --> 01:28:57,645\nsisters and many others.\nGood proof of concept gas is\n\n1440\n01:28:58,514 --> 01:29:00,948\nonly utility you don't need to\nlive in a house.\n\n1441\n01:29:01,350 --> 01:29:03,985\n>> thank you.\nFinal thoughts on exemptions\n\n1442\n01:29:05,755 --> 01:29:07,755\nbefore implementation?\n\n1443\n01:29:08,257 --> 01:29:10,257\n>> to echo sarah's point.\n\n1444\n01:29:10,559 --> 01:29:12,961\nIn talking to builders how fee\nis per equipment.\n\n1445\n01:29:13,495 --> 01:29:15,495\nAll infrastructure is brought\n\n1446\n01:29:15,598 --> 01:29:17,598\nout to new construction gas and\n\n1447\n01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,000\nelectric to convert in the\n\n1448\n01:29:22,171 --> 01:29:24,171\nfuture so we don't run into risk\n\n1449\n01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:25,974\nof stranded asset.\n>> allen.\n\n1450\n01:29:27,443 --> 01:29:28,943\nTo the point of limited staff to\nadminister this.\n\n1451\n01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,479\nThat is why and talking about\n\n1452\n01:29:34,183 --> 01:29:37,152\nthe fuel mix today not being\ndecarbonized on electric tsai.\n\n1453\n01:29:40,890 --> 01:29:42,890\nThat is why it is important to\n\n1454\n01:29:47,396 --> 01:29:49,396\nhave this fee lie dormant until\n\n1455\n01:29:51,467 --> 01:29:53,467\nthe carbon intentionally of\n\n1456\n01:29:53,969 --> 01:29:55,237\nelectricity and gas when that\nswitches.\n\n1457\n01:29:57,273 --> 01:30:00,242\nThen the fee can take effect.\n>> next topic.\n\n1458\n01:30:02,211 --> 01:30:04,412\nWhen should this be in effect.\nTimeline, considerations there\n\n1459\n01:30:05,715 --> 01:30:07,715\nwhich you have given us in your\n\n1460\n01:30:09,452 --> 01:30:11,452\npresentation which I took notes\n\n1461\n01:30:11,621 --> 01:30:13,889\non.\n>> implementation timeline\n\n1462\n01:30:15,124 --> 01:30:17,124\nlooking for feedback on\n\n1463\n01:30:17,794 --> 01:30:19,361\neffective date of fee.\nStarting point date we would\n\n1464\n01:30:21,164 --> 01:30:24,660\nlike to put out would go into\neffect JANUARY 1, 2028.\n\n1465\n01:30:26,169 --> 01:30:28,169\nSome of the things that we\n\n1466\n01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,108\nthought of when we were thinking\nabout appropriate timeline.\n\n1467\n01:30:33,643 --> 01:30:35,643\nPacific power's compliance for\n\n1468\n01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:38,279\nhouse bill 2021.\n\n1469\n01:30:39,649 --> 01:30:41,649\nPart was based on understanding\n\n1470\n01:30:42,952 --> 01:30:44,952\nthat pacific power has rfp open\n\n1471\n01:30:45,255 --> 01:30:47,255\nthis year that might take to\n\n1472\n01:30:48,525 --> 01:30:50,727\nends of year for costs to give\ninformation about compliance\n\n1473\n01:30:50,727 --> 01:30:52,727\ntimelines.\n\n1474\n01:30:54,164 --> 01:30:56,465\nWe might get information sooner.\nThat is interesting\n\n1475\n01:30:57,901 --> 01:30:59,901\nconsideration.\n\n1476\n01:31:07,377 --> 01:31:09,645\nAnother one is ideas\nimplementation of OCTOBER 2026\n\n1477\n01:31:16,486 --> 01:31:19,221\nthat becomes mandatory APRIL of\n2027 legislative session next\nyear.\n\n1478\n01:31:20,857 --> 01:31:22,857\nWe did hear from pacific power\n\n1479\n01:31:24,694 --> 01:31:26,694\ntoday there is potential rumors\n\n1480\n01:31:29,433 --> 01:31:31,433\nof changes to greenhouse gas\n\n1481\n01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,305\nbill 2021 which would have\nsignificant impact on how fee is\n\n1482\n01:31:35,305 --> 01:31:37,840\ncalculated.\nAnything in the legislative\n\n1483\n01:31:40,343 --> 01:31:43,790\nsession we need time to\naccommodate.\n\n1484\n01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:48,149\n>> this is the starting place.\n\n1485\n01:31:48,452 --> 01:31:50,687\nHappy to hear about the timeline\nor other considerations.\n\n1486\n01:31:50,687 --> 01:31:52,956\nThinking about the\nthe things and\n\n1487\n01:31:53,490 --> 01:31:55,257\nwhen the fee should be in\neffect.\n\n1488\n01:31:55,559 --> 01:31:57,559\nOur next topic.\n\n1489\n01:31:59,463 --> 01:32:01,463\nI want to acknowledge 5:30 P.M.\n\n1490\n01:32:01,999 --> 01:32:03,232\nIf not done at 6:00 we will keep\ngoing.\n\n1491\n01:32:05,402 --> 01:32:08,170\nIf you can stay, that is great.\nIf you have to leave at 6:00\n\n1492\n01:32:11,542 --> 01:32:13,542\ntell me so I can call on you.\n\n1493\n01:32:15,779 --> 01:32:18,114\nWho wants to kickoff on\nimplementation ideas or\n\n1494\n01:32:24,888 --> 01:32:26,990\nthoughts.\n>> pacific power does not have\ntimeline.\n\n1495\n01:32:28,859 --> 01:32:30,859\nWe will keep staff and council\n\n1496\n01:32:32,363 --> 01:32:35,231\nappraised of changes in the\nregulatory compliance and go\n\n1497\n01:32:36,734 --> 01:32:38,969\nover anything in the legislative\nsession to impact gas emissions\n\n1498\n01:32:38,969 --> 01:32:40,969\nfor us.\n\n1499\n01:32:41,305 --> 01:32:43,305\n>> thank you for that.\n\n1500\n01:32:44,508 --> 01:32:46,508\n>> I think my thought would be\n\n1501\n01:32:47,545 --> 01:32:49,545\nthat if I believe council's\n\n1502\n01:32:49,947 --> 01:32:51,947\nintent is to reduce carbon,\n\n1503\n01:32:53,951 --> 01:32:55,951\nright, in the city?\n\n1504\n01:32:55,953 --> 01:32:58,922\nUntil pacific power gets to\nwhere they reduce emissions.\n\n1505\n01:33:00,758 --> 01:33:02,959\nThey say they can meet that goal\naround 2029 or 30.\n\n1506\n01:33:05,763 --> 01:33:07,763\nI ask it be pushed out until\n\n1507\n01:33:10,401 --> 01:33:12,401\n2029 or 30 medical\n\n1508\n01:33:17,174 --> 01:33:19,376\n30 or until they prove\nthey met that goal.\n\n1509\n01:33:20,645 --> 01:33:23,413\n>> we are wants to participate\nin the pilot program.\n\n1510\n01:33:24,482 --> 01:33:26,482\nI would love to have that play\n\n1511\n01:33:26,884 --> 01:33:29,653\nout, study data prior to fee\nbeing imposed.\n\n1512\n01:33:31,422 --> 01:33:33,290\nHappy to get into more depth\nwhat we envision from pilot.\n\n1513\n01:33:34,892 --> 01:33:37,861\nwe haven't had chance to do that\nin two minutes to council.\n\n1514\n01:33:44,201 --> 01:33:46,736\nOpen to questions.\n>> policymaking is not perfect.\n\n1515\n01:33:47,806 --> 01:33:50,774\nWe are never going to make\ndecisions in a vacuum.\n\n1516\n01:33:52,610 --> 01:33:54,610\nIf it is ongoing pilot or pilot\n\n1517\n01:33:56,247 --> 01:33:58,247\nthat might happen in the future,\n\n1518\n01:33:58,349 --> 01:34:00,349\nhb2021 or climate protection or\n\n1519\n01:34:01,986 --> 01:34:03,720\nbuilding code update or\nspeculation on legislative\n\n1520\n01:34:05,890 --> 01:34:07,457\nsession or new federal\nadministration.\n\n1521\n01:34:08,493 --> 01:34:10,394\nSomething dynamic that is nature\nof the things.\n\n1522\n01:34:11,496 --> 01:34:13,496\nAt some point we have to stop\n\n1523\n01:34:13,565 --> 01:34:15,565\ncollecting data and do something\n\n1524\n01:34:19,370 --> 01:34:20,471\nbecause we are in a vacuuming of\nleadership.\n\n1525\n01:34:22,407 --> 01:34:24,407\nWe are backsliding since the\n\n1526\n01:34:25,276 --> 01:34:27,276\nfirst inventory.\n\n1527\n01:34:27,779 --> 01:34:28,959\nBend admissions have gone up\n20%.\n\n1528\n01:34:33,885 --> 01:34:35,452\nWe are headed for bad wildfire\nseason.\n\n1529\n01:34:36,855 --> 01:34:38,222\nWe have to just try something at\nsome point.\n\n1530\n01:34:40,692 --> 01:34:43,395\nThis is already a very modest\noption.\n\n1531\n01:34:43,395 --> 01:34:45,395\nOriginally the restriction was\n\n1532\n01:34:45,730 --> 01:34:47,730\non the table.\n\n1533\n01:34:47,799 --> 01:34:49,799\nIt is scaled back the level of\n\n1534\n01:34:50,435 --> 01:34:52,435\naction because of concerns from\n\n1535\n01:34:54,139 --> 01:34:55,773\naffordable housing and economic\ndevelopment.\n\n1536\n01:34:57,542 --> 01:34:59,542\nWe need to remember climate\n\n1537\n01:35:01,460 --> 01:35:03,460\naction is being go stewards of\n\n1538\n01:35:03,448 --> 01:35:05,448\nenvironment be with healthy air.\n\n1539\n01:35:06,618 --> 01:35:09,587\nThat makes bend economically\nviable.\nWe need to try something and\n\n1540\n01:35:09,988 --> 01:35:12,656\ncheck in on policy.\nThat is good development.\n\n1541\n01:35:14,726 --> 01:35:16,726\nWe think the city should do that\n\n1542\n01:35:18,130 --> 01:35:19,897\nto make sure it is not having\nunintended consequences.\n\n1543\n01:35:20,832 --> 01:35:22,832\nSome are wrong and useful.\n\n1544\n01:35:24,335 --> 01:35:27,710\nWe need to try to collect real\ndata and tweak things down the\n\n1545\n01:35:28,206 --> 01:35:31,175\nroad.\napril 2027.\n>> what day.\n\n1546\n01:35:31,376 --> 01:35:33,376\n>> in line with the building\n\n1547\n01:35:33,578 --> 01:35:35,578\ncodes update for developers to\n\n1548\n01:35:38,283 --> 01:35:40,283\nhave single compliance calendar.\n\n1549\n01:35:41,987 --> 01:35:43,987\n>> ecc recommends start day JULY 1, 2027.\n\n1550\n01:35:44,389 --> 01:35:46,389\nWe do not think we should wait\n\n1551\n01:35:49,628 --> 01:35:51,962\nuntil JANUARY 1, 2028 primarily\ndue to speculation of\nlegislative session.\n\n1552\n01:35:53,599 --> 01:35:55,599\nIf anything comes up in that\n\n1553\n01:35:56,101 --> 01:35:58,101\nlegislative session we could\n\n1554\n01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,375\ndelay and amend as needed.\nWe need climate action now.\n\n1555\n01:36:05,311 --> 01:36:07,746\nI want to note based on, david,\nyour point.\n\n1556\n01:36:09,114 --> 01:36:11,348\nThese appliances can last up to\n20 years.\n\n1557\n01:36:14,286 --> 01:36:16,789\nIf we install electric now or\ngas now, those will last for 20\n\n1558\n01:36:16,789 --> 01:36:18,789\nyears.\n\n1559\n01:36:26,432 --> 01:36:27,999\nIn that 20 year lifespan we are\nassuming pacific power could\n\n1560\n01:36:28,767 --> 01:36:30,767\nchange drastically.\n\n1561\n01:36:31,971 --> 01:36:33,971\nWe want to build smart from the\n\n1562\n01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:36,440\nstart knowing these systems last\n\n1563\n01:36:36,442 --> 01:36:38,442\nquite awhile.\n\n1564\n01:36:39,145 --> 01:36:41,579\n>> sarah.\n>> we would land with garrett\n\n1565\n01:36:43,116 --> 01:36:44,316\nand the conversations around the\npilot.\n\n1566\n01:36:46,386 --> 01:36:49,200\nWhen I look at forming opinion\non implementation of this.\n\n1567\n01:36:52,458 --> 01:36:54,458\nI think about north star housing\n\n1568\n01:36:54,894 --> 01:36:57,262\naffordabilities.\n53% of the people working in\n\n1569\n01:36:57,363 --> 01:36:59,363\nbend don't live in bend.\n\n1570\n01:36:59,666 --> 01:37:01,967\nThat is something we need to do\nsomething about.\n\n1571\n01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:06,271\nYesterday we were at park side\nplace.\nWe are making progress.\n\n1572\n01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,441\nWe can't hold gas on that kind\nof progress.\n\n1573\n01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:13,245\nThat is my lens I am coming from\ntrying to balance with the\n\n1574\n01:37:15,581 --> 01:37:17,200\nconcerns that we are talking\nabout with climate.\n-\n\n1575\n01:37:17,850 --> 01:37:19,850\nI think it is important that we\n\n1576\n01:37:21,687 --> 01:37:23,422\nhave a lot of different\npolicymaking at the city\n\n1577\n01:37:23,956 --> 01:37:25,956\nsometimes happens in silos.\n\n1578\n01:37:28,294 --> 01:37:30,796\nWe have the home hardening\nbuilding 327 expedited that\n\n1579\n01:37:35,268 --> 01:37:37,268\nmakes sense to expedite from\n\n1580\n01:37:37,871 --> 01:37:40,472\nwildlife, wildfire prevention,\ntree code conversation, natural\n\n1581\n01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:43,700\ngas fee code conversation.\n\n1582\n01:37:45,645 --> 01:37:48,347\nAll of these things are tiny\nchunks of affordabilities.\n\n1583\n01:37:50,416 --> 01:37:52,416\nTime and space to sequence some\n\n1584\n01:37:53,186 --> 01:37:55,721\nof those decisions in a manner\nthat makes sense and affects\n\n1585\n01:37:56,122 --> 01:37:58,991\naffordability and what we do for\nthe community is something I\n\n1586\n01:38:01,161 --> 01:38:03,161\nsupport and members support.\n\n1587\n01:38:05,365 --> 01:38:07,866\nI guess I will leave it at that.\nI would love to hear more about\n\n1588\n01:38:09,136 --> 01:38:11,136\nthe pilot at garrett.\n\n1589\n01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:14,639\n>> did you have a question?\n\n1590\n01:38:16,576 --> 01:38:17,910\n>> cassie, I want to set for the\nroom.\n\n1591\n01:38:18,878 --> 01:38:20,546\nBuilding code update coming in\nright here.\n\n1592\n01:38:22,949 --> 01:38:25,884\nCan you tell us to explain the\neffect of that building code in\n\n1593\n01:38:27,954 --> 01:38:29,954\nterms of installation of new\n\n1594\n01:38:32,459 --> 01:38:33,759\nequipment into homes in the hvac\nworld.\n\n1595\n01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:37,696\n>> if a building codes person\nwants to jump in.\n\n1596\n01:38:41,101 --> 01:38:43,101\nI will take a stab at it.\n\n1597\n01:38:43,703 --> 01:38:45,703\nImproves energy efficiency with\n\n1598\n01:38:46,339 --> 01:38:48,339\nnew construction by 30%.\n\n1599\n01:38:50,177 --> 01:38:52,177\nI think that is maybe all I can\n\n1600\n01:38:52,913 --> 01:38:55,748\nsay confidently.\nAnything to add from the\nbuilding people?\n\n1601\n01:38:57,117 --> 01:38:59,117\n>> what I am trying to get at.\n\n1602\n01:38:59,653 --> 01:39:01,653\nIn most cases a c unit installed\n\n1603\n01:39:03,457 --> 01:39:04,657\nin a home will require a heat\npump.\n\n1604\n01:39:05,926 --> 01:39:07,326\n>> thank you for reminding me\nabout that part.\n\n1605\n01:39:08,762 --> 01:39:10,762\nAnother part of the code\n\n1606\n01:39:11,832 --> 01:39:13,566\nair-conditioning installed it\nhas to be heat pump to ensure\n\n1607\n01:39:15,602 --> 01:39:17,602\nany home with air-conditioning\n\n1608\n01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,541\nwhich is many of them have a\nheat pump.\n\n1609\n01:39:23,877 --> 01:39:26,746\nGas furnace sets up for duel\nfuel options that will have an\n\n1610\n01:39:26,914 --> 01:39:29,248\nimpact as well.\n>> I am asking that question\n\n1611\n01:39:30,884 --> 01:39:32,884\nbecause I do acknowledge\n\n1612\n01:39:33,287 --> 01:39:35,322\naffordability and agree with\nsarah it is my north star as\n\n1613\n01:39:35,322 --> 01:39:37,322\nwell.\n\n1614\n01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:41,260\nThat is a way to really avoid a\n\n1615\n01:39:41,829 --> 01:39:43,829\nlarge portion of al lakarstify.\n\n1616\n01:39:46,867 --> 01:39:48,867\nThat is $1,500 bucks in cost.\n\n1617\n01:39:49,503 --> 01:39:51,503\nThree quarters of fee goes away\n\n1618\n01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:54,574\nwhen this drops into our laps\nhere in APRIL next year.\n\n1619\n01:39:58,913 --> 01:40:00,346\nI think that helps with\naffordability.\n\n1620\n01:40:01,315 --> 01:40:03,315\n>> until we make decision on the\n\n1621\n01:40:05,152 --> 01:40:07,152\ndual fuel systems.\n\n1622\n01:40:07,654 --> 01:40:09,256\nIf someone puts in gas furnace\ncost would be there.\n\n1623\n01:40:10,457 --> 01:40:12,457\nIt could be automatically\n\n1624\n01:40:13,661 --> 01:40:16,462\ndriving more electric systems if\npeople put it in for sure.\n\n1625\n01:40:20,835 --> 01:40:22,835\n>> thank you.\n\n1626\n01:40:24,238 --> 01:40:25,705\n>> I will go to you and then to\ngarrett.\n\n1627\n01:40:26,574 --> 01:40:28,574\n>> a couple members of committee\n\n1628\n01:40:29,210 --> 01:40:31,311\nthat were concerned about the\nlayering on of fees.\n\n1629\n01:40:32,914 --> 01:40:34,914\nIf we go route of exemption for\n\n1630\n01:40:39,220 --> 01:40:41,220\nup to 1:20 A.M. I, there is less\n\n1631\n01:40:43,591 --> 01:40:44,858\nconcern because it was the\nhardening.\n\n1632\n01:40:48,196 --> 01:40:50,697\nWe want to reduce barriers for\naffordable middle.\n\n1633\n01:40:52,166 --> 01:40:54,166\n>> garrett pilot program could\n\n1634\n01:40:55,403 --> 01:40:58,371\nyou explain we are in the world\nof timeline.\n\n1635\n01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,800\nWhat do you mean?\n\n1636\n01:41:03,444 --> 01:41:05,444\n>> the time limited aspect study\n\n1637\n01:41:05,913 --> 01:41:07,913\nat least a year to collect the\n\n1638\n01:41:09,450 --> 01:41:12,252\nenergy use data to understand\nthe grid impacts.\nConstruction data collection.\n\n1639\n01:41:14,256 --> 01:41:16,256\nThis is what I vision how this\n\n1640\n01:41:16,758 --> 01:41:18,258\ncomes to life. Three members of\nproduction builders now.\n\n1641\n01:41:19,827 --> 01:41:21,827\nWe hope to do this at scale.\n\n1642\n01:41:22,697 --> 01:41:24,697\nWilling in upcoming projecs to\n\n1643\n01:41:25,633 --> 01:41:27,501\nidentify select homes to have a\nside by sides comparison\n\n1644\n01:41:28,570 --> 01:41:30,570\nbuilding all electric next to\n\n1645\n01:41:30,939 --> 01:41:33,674\nall gas.\nThe reason that selecting homes\n\n1646\n01:41:35,844 --> 01:41:37,844\nin same project matters.\n\n1647\n01:41:38,379 --> 01:41:40,379\nAll projects are different.\n\n1648\n01:41:41,449 --> 01:41:43,449\nSame land two different products\n\n1649\n01:41:44,152 --> 01:41:47,121\nbest way to collect data.\nAlongside high efficient\n\n1650\n01:41:47,122 --> 01:41:48,889\nelectric equipment was\nmentioned.\n\n1651\n01:41:51,826 --> 01:41:53,930\nWe have high performance\nbuilders.\n\n1652\n01:42:00,702 --> 01:42:02,200\nOne has offered to be a\nconsultant.\n\n1653\n01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:05,272\nWe want to look at climate\ngoals.\n\n1654\n01:42:06,908 --> 01:42:08,908\nHere is time line.\n\n1655\n01:42:10,646 --> 01:42:13,314\nOur members talked like quickest\ntwo years to get homes\n\n1656\n01:42:14,490 --> 01:42:15,482\nidentified, built, sold and\nstudy.\n\n1657\n01:42:16,384 --> 01:42:19,153\nTwo to three is roughly what we\nare thinking with city support\n\n1658\n01:42:20,254 --> 01:42:22,254\nand permitting process.\n\n1659\n01:42:24,326 --> 01:42:26,326\nWe could get closer to two.\n\n1660\n01:42:26,661 --> 01:42:29,430\nAlso, a piece I missed with home\nselection we need diverse\n\n1661\n01:42:31,466 --> 01:42:33,466\nselection of homes.\n\n1662\n01:42:34,636 --> 01:42:36,636\nTownhome, single story detached,\n\n1663\n01:42:37,239 --> 01:42:39,907\ntwo-story detached how it\ncontributes to emissions and\n\n1664\n01:42:43,812 --> 01:42:45,713\nwhat affordability looks like in\ndirect costs.\n\n1665\n01:42:46,882 --> 01:42:48,882\n>> what you are saying policy\n\n1666\n01:42:49,885 --> 01:42:51,885\nwould not apply city-wide two to\n\n1667\n01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,120\nthree years only in certain ways\n\n1668\n01:42:54,990 --> 01:42:56,990\nas we study data before going\n\n1669\n01:42:57,392 --> 01:42:58,893\ncity-wide?\n>> yes.\n\n1670\n01:43:03,665 --> 01:43:06,340\nI tried to make as brief as\npossible.\n>> I understood it.\n\n1671\n01:43:06,340 --> 01:43:07,468\nMandy.\n>> brief question.\n\n1672\n01:43:10,873 --> 01:43:13,740\nWhy would you not look\nretroactively at information\n\n1673\n01:43:14,576 --> 01:43:16,477\nthere are houses and buildings\nand data.\n\n1674\n01:43:19,281 --> 01:43:21,281\nwhy would you need to builds\n\n1675\n01:43:22,284 --> 01:43:24,284\nhomes, wait timeframes versus\n\n1676\n01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,320\nidentifying the homes.\n\n1677\n01:43:26,556 --> 01:43:28,556\n>> one of the challenges with\n\n1678\n01:43:28,691 --> 01:43:30,792\ndevelopment costs it is sourced\nregionally not specifically to\n\n1679\n01:43:30,893 --> 01:43:33,194\nbend.\nWe have unique codes.\n\n1680\n01:43:36,265 --> 01:43:38,265\nTo do here to collect local data\n\n1681\n01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:43,270\nwould be most impact\n\n1682\n01:43:45,574 --> 01:43:48,443\nimpact full.\nSecond part of question.\n\n1683\n01:43:48,844 --> 01:43:50,780\n>> why won't you identify\nlocally?\n\n1684\n01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:54,140\n>> that is comparing variables.\n\n1685\n01:43:55,618 --> 01:43:57,152\nAll electric home built here and\nhere.\n\n1686\n01:43:59,210 --> 01:44:01,210\nThere are different costs\n\n1687\n01:44:01,900 --> 01:44:03,491\nassociated with that because of\ndifference in pieces of land.\n\n1688\n01:44:07,863 --> 01:44:09,863\nSide by sides with gas and and\n\n1689\n01:44:10,833 --> 01:44:12,133\nelectric home we control the\nvariables.\n\n1690\n01:44:14,537 --> 01:44:16,537\n>> any other questions on that\n\n1691\n01:44:16,706 --> 01:44:18,706\nor ideas?\n\n1692\n01:44:19,208 --> 01:44:21,209\nCouncilor mendez.\n>> we heard concern about\n\n1693\n01:44:24,447 --> 01:44:26,447\ndelaying until we have more sent\n\n1694\n01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:29,484\non the pathway to complying with\nhb2021.\n\n1695\n01:44:30,887 --> 01:44:32,887\nWe talk about importance of\n\n1696\n01:44:35,792 --> 01:44:37,792\ncomparing high efficiency to low\n\n1697\n01:44:38,861 --> 01:44:40,861\nefficiency electrification.\n\n1698\n01:44:41,831 --> 01:44:43,831\nCouncil had a preference for\n\n1699\n01:44:52,108 --> 01:44:53,542\nhigh efficiency electric\nappliances.\n\n1700\n01:44:58,581 --> 01:45:00,581\nTo what extent does 2021\n\n1701\n01:45:03,620 --> 01:45:05,620\ncompliance the efficiency of the\n\n1702\n01:45:05,788 --> 01:45:07,788\nelectrical appliances\n\n1703\n01:45:08,324 --> 01:45:10,324\nimplemented?\n\n1704\n01:45:11,928 --> 01:45:13,928\n>> even with -- with low\n\n1705\n01:45:14,297 --> 01:45:16,297\nefficiency equipment, pacific\n\n1706\n01:45:16,733 --> 01:45:18,733\npower not in compliance with\n\n1707\n01:45:20,236 --> 01:45:22,236\n2021 is a very big problem.\n\n1708\n01:45:22,572 --> 01:45:24,106\nHigh emission electricity and\nquantity consumed is high\n\n1709\n01:45:26,509 --> 01:45:29,111\nbecause of low efficiency.\nEfficient equipment the concern\n\n1710\n01:45:30,213 --> 01:45:32,948\ngoes down because it should be\nless energy used in total since\n\n1711\n01:45:36,419 --> 01:45:38,821\nthat is used efficiency.\nElectricity used is dirty.\n\n1712\n01:45:39,623 --> 01:45:41,623\nThe concern is still there.\n\n1713\n01:45:45,529 --> 01:45:47,529\nOur analysis shows that using\n\n1714\n01:45:47,931 --> 01:45:50,299\ntoday's mix even when pacific\npower homes some of the\n\n1715\n01:45:51,268 --> 01:45:53,569\nequipment including high\nefficiency equipment over the\n\n1716\n01:45:54,738 --> 01:45:56,738\nlife cycle of the equipment\n\n1717\n01:45:57,507 --> 01:45:59,507\nwould still have like a higher\n\n1718\n01:46:01,211 --> 01:46:03,211\ncarbon impact using high\n\n1719\n01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:09,500\nefficiency heat pump at today's\n\n1720\n01:46:13,757 --> 01:46:16,193\ngrid mix compared to gas.\nGrid mix still matters with high\n\n1721\n01:46:16,193 --> 01:46:18,193\nefficiency.\n\n1722\n01:46:20,831 --> 01:46:23,666\nIt matters a lot with low\nefficiency.\n\n1723\n01:46:28,806 --> 01:46:30,439\nFrom a cost perspective and grid\nperspective.\n\n1724\n01:46:31,441 --> 01:46:33,441\n>> anything to add to that?\n\n1725\n01:46:36,780 --> 01:46:38,780\n>> she did great job.\n\n1726\n01:46:39,316 --> 01:46:41,316\n>> other ideas or information\n\n1727\n01:46:41,752 --> 01:46:43,752\nthat folks want us to know?\n\n1728\n01:46:43,854 --> 01:46:46,550\n>> I would like to support the\npilot programs.\n\n1729\n01:46:47,558 --> 01:46:49,558\nNot only with all electric and\n\n1730\n01:46:51,195 --> 01:46:53,195\nall gas, but adding possibly a\n\n1731\n01:46:54,798 --> 01:46:57,533\nthird which is a hybrid home\nwhatever that MAY be, not just\n\n1732\n01:46:58,168 --> 01:47:00,403\none or the other.\nDifferent ways of doing that.\n\n1733\n01:47:01,906 --> 01:47:04,700\nWhen you touched on the\nefficiencies, when you talk\n\n1734\n01:47:06,977 --> 01:47:08,611\nabout all electric home, most\naffordable housing currently\n\n1735\n01:47:09,546 --> 01:47:11,546\nthat I see being produced out\n\n1736\n01:47:13,617 --> 01:47:15,485\nthere is using the most horrible\nelectric appliances.\n\n1737\n01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:19,540\nThat is something we need to\n\n1738\n01:47:20,191 --> 01:47:21,825\nlook at.\n>> great.\n\n1739\n01:47:24,228 --> 01:47:26,228\nOther thoughts on this part of\n\n1740\n01:47:27,832 --> 01:47:30,466\nthe discussion?\n>> question about the pilot\nidea.\n\n1741\n01:47:32,770 --> 01:47:34,637\nIn addition to why not look\nretroactively?\n\n1742\n01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,720\nIf you have gone to the\n\n1743\n01:47:37,742 --> 01:47:40,577\nneighbor's house and felt it is\ntoo cold or too hot compared to\nyour house.\n\n1744\n01:47:41,746 --> 01:47:43,746\nYou know the baseline of what\n\n1745\n01:47:44,582 --> 01:47:46,582\nyou set the thermostat to makes\n\n1746\n01:47:47,719 --> 01:47:49,719\na difference if home are same\n\n1747\n01:47:49,921 --> 01:47:51,921\nand right next to each other.\n\n1748\n01:47:52,323 --> 01:47:54,624\nPuzzled why it would be so\nimportant two houses next to\n\n1749\n01:47:56,794 --> 01:47:58,794\neach other.\n\n1750\n01:48:00,631 --> 01:48:02,632\nHow do we control for thermostat\nsize?\n\n1751\n01:48:03,167 --> 01:48:05,167\n>> we hope to have enough scale\n\n1752\n01:48:05,236 --> 01:48:07,300\nto take average to calculate for\nenergy use.\n\n1753\n01:48:08,206 --> 01:48:10,206\nThat is a big piece of that if\n\n1754\n01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:13,109\nwe want to study grid and\n\n1755\n01:48:13,878 --> 01:48:15,878\nutility rates we track usage\n\n1756\n01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,582\ndata which we need help from\nutility friends at the end of\n\n1757\n01:48:20,251 --> 01:48:22,586\nthe room to do.\nAt big enough scale we could\n\n1758\n01:48:25,657 --> 01:48:27,657\naverage that out.\n\n1759\n01:48:27,859 --> 01:48:30,527\nOne more piece.\nThat came up in our\nconversations with members.\n\n1760\n01:48:32,464 --> 01:48:34,898\nIf the fees associated with\nindividual piece of equipment.\n\n1761\n01:48:35,767 --> 01:48:37,767\nIf council or city wanted to see\n\n1762\n01:48:37,836 --> 01:48:40,470\nthat hybrid approach we are\nhappy to do that.\n\n1763\n01:48:44,242 --> 01:48:46,610\nIf someone wanted to pay for gas\nfireplace upgrade we could do\n\n1764\n01:48:47,110 --> 01:48:49,110\nhome or two for that.\n\n1765\n01:48:51,716 --> 01:48:53,716\nWe are flexible and appreciate\n\n1766\n01:48:54,186 --> 01:48:56,754\nfeedback from the city.\n>> robin.\n>> ecc does not support pilot.\n\n1767\n01:48:58,550 --> 01:49:00,550\nWe don't think waiting three\n\n1768\n01:49:01,626 --> 01:49:03,626\nyears to have that pilot is good\n\n1769\n01:49:03,828 --> 01:49:05,963\nuse of time.\nWith in that three years will be\n\n1770\n01:49:07,666 --> 01:49:10,567\nthousands of homes that will not\nbe potentially all electric\n\n1771\n01:49:10,836 --> 01:49:12,836\nbecause of that.\n\n1772\n01:49:14,906 --> 01:49:16,139\nWe think it is part of a delay\ntactic.\n\n1773\n01:49:19,277 --> 01:49:21,277\nWe want to implement the policy\n\n1774\n01:49:21,379 --> 01:49:23,379\none year after passed.\n\n1775\n01:49:24,820 --> 01:49:26,817\nDevelopers are used to having a\nnew code one year after it is\n\n1776\n01:49:27,886 --> 01:49:29,886\npassed they will have that one\n\n1777\n01:49:29,988 --> 01:49:31,988\nyear in order to implement this\n\n1778\n01:49:34,793 --> 01:49:36,793\nnew policy.\n\n1779\n01:49:36,862 --> 01:49:39,830\n>> brennan.\n>> similar vein to robin.\n\n1780\n01:49:42,670 --> 01:49:44,869\n80% of housing stock in next 20\nyears we kicked bucket two or\n\n1781\n01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:49,575\nfour years that is 20% of the\nhousing stock city has done\n\n1782\n01:49:49,575 --> 01:49:51,676\nnothing to push development\ntowards all electric.\n\n1783\n01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:55,679\nI think the city has relative\n\n1784\n01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:58,480\nlehigh confidence this is the\n\n1785\n01:49:59,851 --> 01:50:01,851\nclimate solution we need in our\n\n1786\n01:50:02,588 --> 01:50:04,550\nclimate action plan strategy\nes2a.\n\n1787\n01:50:07,793 --> 01:50:09,793\nDevelop policies to limit fossil\n\n1788\n01:50:09,895 --> 01:50:11,895\nfuel use in new construction.\n\n1789\n01:50:11,930 --> 01:50:13,930\nWe\n\n1790\n01:50:18,270 --> 01:50:20,270\n>> you said before you were okay\n\n1791\n01:50:21,273 --> 01:50:24,208\nbuilding sunsets or check ins.\nWhat does that look like to you?\n\n1792\n01:50:25,511 --> 01:50:28,247\nWhat are your ideas?\n>> staying in step with building\n\n1793\n01:50:28,247 --> 01:50:30,581\ncodes.\nEvery three years.%\n\n1794\n01:50:32,518 --> 01:50:34,518\nat end of two years city is done\n\n1795\n01:50:34,653 --> 01:50:36,653\ncollecting data the last year so\n\n1796\n01:50:37,523 --> 01:50:40,157\nbuilding codes is 2027.\nBy 2029 city is done collecting\n\n1797\n01:50:42,995 --> 01:50:44,995\ndata and can look back.\n\n1798\n01:50:45,965 --> 01:50:47,965\nHow many people paid the fee,\n\n1799\n01:50:48,133 --> 01:50:50,100\ndid it impact housing production\nrate?\n\n1800\n01:50:52,204 --> 01:50:54,204\nLook at that and make it into\n\n1801\n01:50:56,509 --> 01:50:58,900\neffect with next building codes\nupdate 2030.\n\n1802\n01:51:02,810 --> 01:51:04,810\n>> I want to ask brandt.\n\n1803\n01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:10,288\nI heard from allen and elisa on\ntimeline.\nDo you have thoughts on\n\n1804\n01:51:10,823 --> 01:51:12,823\nimplementation timeline.\n\n1805\n01:51:13,759 --> 01:51:15,759\n>> not specific timeline.\n\n1806\n01:51:17,396 --> 01:51:19,396\n>> thank you.\n\n1807\n01:51:19,665 --> 01:51:21,665\n>> question for cassie.\n\n1808\n01:51:21,867 --> 01:51:23,301\nThe pilot and thousands of\nhomes.\n\n1809\n01:51:24,570 --> 01:51:26,570\nWhat were the assumptions that\n\n1810\n01:51:28,641 --> 01:51:30,641\nwere made about people going to\n\n1811\n01:51:30,843 --> 01:51:32,843\n -- what percentage new homes\n\n1812\n01:51:33,579 --> 01:51:35,881\nbuilt would comply with the fee\nentirely or would comply with\n\n1813\n01:51:35,882 --> 01:51:37,882\nsome of it?\n\n1814\n01:51:38,284 --> 01:51:40,284\nTrying to remember what the\n\n1815\n01:51:41,521 --> 01:51:43,521\ncalculation made or assumption?\n\n1816\n01:51:44,590 --> 01:51:46,590\nHow many people would pay fee at\n\n1817\n01:51:46,826 --> 01:51:48,826\n20% level and how many would\n\n1818\n01:51:48,861 --> 01:51:50,861\nforget it and go all electric.\n\n1819\n01:51:50,863 --> 01:51:53,165\n>> I have our consultant on the\nline right now.\n\n1820\n01:51:56,202 --> 01:51:58,202\nIf you are listening daniel I\n\n1821\n01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:04,443\nwill ask if you have that data\nhandy.\n\n1822\n01:52:08,348 --> 01:52:10,348\n>> at 20% we expect 25% of homes\n\n1823\n01:52:16,890 --> 01:52:19,157\nbuilt to go electric.\n>> thank you.\n\n1824\n01:52:21,928 --> 01:52:23,928\n>> quick follow up on that.\n\n1825\n01:52:24,397 --> 01:52:26,365\n>> when you made that\ncalculation and assumption were\n\n1826\n01:52:27,734 --> 01:52:29,734\nyou aware of the building code\n\n1827\n01:52:32,500 --> 01:52:34,500\nchange that councilor platt just\n\n1828\n01:52:34,207 --> 01:52:36,207\nasked about if you put\n\n1829\n01:52:36,976 --> 01:52:38,811\nair-conditioning in the house it\nhas to be heat pump and not\n\n1830\n01:52:40,246 --> 01:52:42,246\nstand alone air conditioner and\n\n1831\n01:52:42,516 --> 01:52:44,516\nhow that influences how many\n\n1832\n01:52:45,118 --> 01:52:47,219\npeople decide to go all electric\nbecause of the building code?\n\n1833\n01:52:49,222 --> 01:52:51,222\n>> we are basing this off\n\n1834\n01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,195\nwillingness to adopt studies on\nelectrification take don't\n\n1835\n01:52:57,264 --> 01:52:59,264\nconsider mandatory building code\n\n1836\n01:53:01,535 --> 01:53:04,470\nthat would be something else to\ntake into consideration.\n\n1837\n01:53:04,938 --> 01:53:07,506\n>> final thoughts on\nimplementation?\n\n1838\n01:53:08,876 --> 01:53:10,876\nAllen then garrett.\n\n1839\n01:53:11,745 --> 01:53:13,512\n>> one thing I like about the\nmultiyear pilot.\n\n1840\n01:53:15,150 --> 01:53:17,150\nIn addition to testing to make\n\n1841\n01:53:17,517 --> 01:53:19,517\nsure carbon reductions are\n\n1842\n01:53:20,587 --> 01:53:22,354\nachieved, affordability aspect.\nIs the resource adequacy.\n\n1843\n01:53:24,424 --> 01:53:26,424\nThat is so essential.\n\n1844\n01:53:26,526 --> 01:53:28,526\nAllowing a few winters to pass,\n\n1845\n01:53:28,796 --> 01:53:30,796\nlooking at winter peak demand\n\n1846\n01:53:31,564 --> 01:53:33,564\nand impacts to the end user, to\n\n1847\n01:53:34,167 --> 01:53:36,167\nthe homeowner, electric home,\n\n1848\n01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:39,872\ngas home, hybrid home and\ncompare if there are peak events\n\n1849\n01:53:41,642 --> 01:53:43,910\nthat take place, I think that is\ncrucial especially since as we\n\n1850\n01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:52,552\nsaid before we are a winter\npeaking region.\n>> garrett.\n\n1851\n01:53:54,121 --> 01:53:56,522\n>> why letting the pilot play\nout would be helpful.\n\n1852\n01:53:58,725 --> 01:54:01,461\nI talked in builders in\nwashington as well.\n\n1853\n01:54:02,863 --> 01:54:04,863\nThere were supply change\n\n1854\n01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:07,199\nchallenges with appliance and\n\n1855\n01:54:08,102 --> 01:54:10,870\nequipment providers.\nGiving runway for the market to\n\n1856\n01:54:11,710 --> 01:54:13,710\nget that as well.\n\n1857\n01:54:14,141 --> 01:54:16,141\nTo sarah's point the layered\n\n1858\n01:54:17,177 --> 01:54:19,177\ncost will impact builders.\n\n1859\n01:54:22,449 --> 01:54:24,449\n>> if this wases to go in we do\n\n1860\n01:54:24,618 --> 01:54:26,519\na recommended date.\nIs the recommendation for you\n\n1861\n01:54:27,988 --> 01:54:29,956\nall with the timeline and\nrunway?\n\n1862\n01:54:34,295 --> 01:54:35,762\n>> as much runway as possible.\n2028.\n\n1863\n01:54:41,502 --> 01:54:43,502\n>> any other thoughts?\n\n1864\n01:54:43,604 --> 01:54:45,604\n>> cascade would like to request\n\n1865\n01:54:46,941 --> 01:54:48,742\nthat MAY be the study\nreincorporate future assumptions\n\n1866\n01:54:50,344 --> 01:54:52,344\nof the electric supply costs.\n\n1867\n01:54:54,682 --> 01:54:56,682\nWe have heard both central\n\n1868\n01:54:56,684 --> 01:54:59,152\nelectric cooperative and pacific\npower have new information.\n\n1869\n01:55:01,188 --> 01:55:03,723\nA lot of discussion on\naffordability as upfront cost.\n\n1870\n01:55:04,559 --> 01:55:06,560\nHow about ongoing cost for\nresidents here.\n\n1871\n01:55:07,628 --> 01:55:10,497\nMore dollars spent on utility\ncost the more it will take away\n\n1872\n01:55:11,666 --> 01:55:13,666\nfrom dollars available for\n\n1873\n01:55:15,970 --> 01:55:18,472\neconomy in the city of bend be.\n>> the city\n\n1874\n01:55:19,540 --> 01:55:21,775\ncity of bend.\n>> has staff thought about\n\n1875\n01:55:23,144 --> 01:55:25,144\nrecommendation of 2028 or mid\n\n1876\n01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:27,480\n2027, would staff be interested\n\n1877\n01:55:28,716 --> 01:55:31,385\nin doing check ins or how often\nwould staff look at data to\n\n1878\n01:55:32,453 --> 01:55:34,210\nupdate the fee as it goes\nforward.\n\n1879\n01:55:34,856 --> 01:55:36,856\n>> any policy like this good\n\n1880\n01:55:42,130 --> 01:55:45,650\nidea to have periodic check ins\nto scan for any issues.\n\n1881\n01:55:47,769 --> 01:55:49,769\none, check in I would recommend\n\n1882\n01:55:50,672 --> 01:55:52,672\nis regardless of whether 2027 or\n\n1883\n01:55:56,644 --> 01:55:58,212\n2028 or later is at certain\nperiod, one month before or\n\n1884\n01:56:04,519 --> 01:56:06,519\nthree months before check in to\n\n1885\n01:56:09,124 --> 01:56:11,124\nrecalibrate the fee calculation.\n\n1886\n01:56:11,526 --> 01:56:14,461\nWe need that information to make\nthe calculation work.\n\n1887\n01:56:15,196 --> 01:56:16,412\nI would definitely recommend\nthat.\n\n1888\n01:56:18,333 --> 01:56:20,333\nThe cycle after that I think I\n\n1889\n01:56:20,368 --> 01:56:22,970\ndon't have a specific\nrecommendation right now.\n\n1890\n01:56:23,905 --> 01:56:25,539\nI can think about that for the\n22nd.\n\n1891\n01:56:28,510 --> 01:56:30,510\nIt is a discussion with council.\n\n1892\n01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:33,680\nBalancing the effort to have\n\n1893\n01:56:34,316 --> 01:56:36,316\nenough time to have meaningful\n\n1894\n01:56:36,818 --> 01:56:38,818\ndata where you are not reviewing\n\n1895\n01:56:40,656 --> 01:56:43,424\ntoo soon so the data does not\nhave variation with being\nresponsive.\n\n1896\n01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:47,260\nEvery couple years, I would\n\n1897\n01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:49,630\nthink.\n>> okay.\n\n1898\n01:56:50,398 --> 01:56:52,700\nWe have gotten a lot of good\ninformation from everyone.\n\n1899\n01:56:54,102 --> 01:56:56,102\nI appreciate everyone here\n\n1900\n01:56:56,338 --> 01:56:59,306\nsharing with us.\nWe have heard different\n\n1901\n01:57:00,809 --> 01:57:02,809\nperspective around urgency and\n\n1902\n01:57:03,712 --> 01:57:06,113\nwhy delay might be desirable.\nI appreciate that.\n\n1903\n01:57:07,950 --> 01:57:10,251\nI was going to ask eric taking\nnotes and I have been taking\n\n1904\n01:57:10,252 --> 01:57:12,252\nnotes as well.\n\n1905\n01:57:12,321 --> 01:57:14,956\nDoes this reflect the top level\nthings we will bring into the\n\n1906\n01:57:19,661 --> 01:57:21,662\nwork session and we will close\nit out.\n\n1907\n01:57:22,631 --> 01:57:24,631\n>> I don't want to go through\n\n1908\n01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,800\neach group said this.\n\n1909\n01:57:33,142 --> 01:57:35,900\nGeneral themes of other ideas.\nHousing mix.\n\n1910\n01:57:41,250 --> 01:57:43,250\n120 ami expanding on that.\n\n1911\n01:57:48,457 --> 01:57:50,457\nInput from utilities in terms of\n\n1912\n01:57:51,193 --> 01:57:54,620\ncalibrates with the metrics.\n>> we had a mix of support\n\n1913\n01:57:57,232 --> 01:57:59,567\nversus not support for dual fuel\nheat pumps and renewable natural\ngas.\n\n1914\n01:58:01,270 --> 01:58:03,270\nThat is something to look for\n\n1915\n01:58:05,407 --> 01:58:07,407\ndirection on those different\n\n1916\n01:58:08,277 --> 01:58:10,277\nthings you have heard.\n\n1917\n01:58:11,147 --> 01:58:13,147\n>> I heard a lot about pilot\n\n1918\n01:58:13,449 --> 01:58:15,449\nprogram, wanting to try policy,\n\n1919\n01:58:16,952 --> 01:58:18,952\nget it going sooner.\n\n1920\n01:58:20,122 --> 01:58:22,122\nOn the exemptions some sort of\n\n1921\n01:58:22,324 --> 01:58:24,324\ntalking about affordable housing\n\n1922\n01:58:26,128 --> 01:58:27,996\nhow we are going to exempt that\npotentially.\n\n1923\n01:58:28,864 --> 01:58:30,864\nCassie what you said is right.\n\n1924\n01:58:32,268 --> 01:58:34,268\nMissed opinions on dual fuel and\n\n1925\n01:58:34,337 --> 01:58:36,337\nrng and reductions or putting\n\n1926\n01:58:37,974 --> 01:58:39,374\nthings into calculation versus\nexemptions.\n\n1927\n01:58:40,243 --> 01:58:41,876\nThose were all things we\ncaptured.\n\n1928\n01:58:42,979 --> 01:58:44,979\nAround solar as well discussion\n\n1929\n01:58:45,381 --> 01:58:47,583\nof that, too.\nWe will bring all of that to\n\n1930\n01:58:47,583 --> 01:58:49,583\ncouncil.\n\n1931\n01:58:50,186 --> 01:58:52,621\nI want to level set that staff\nis going to bring to council.\n\n1932\n01:58:54,557 --> 01:58:57,920\nSome ideas are more intensive or\nmight take more looking into\n\n1933\n01:58:58,294 --> 01:59:00,195\nthan others.\nDeed restricted affordable\n\n1934\n01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:02,931\nhousing is clear and\nstraightforward.\n\n1935\n01:59:05,101 --> 01:59:07,200\nPilot program, megawatts solar\nare more involved.\n\n1936\n01:59:07,670 --> 01:59:09,670\nWe will ask staff to tell us\n\n1937\n01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:13,676\nwhich of these could we do on\nthe time line we want now pass\n\n1938\n01:59:15,511 --> 01:59:17,511\nthis in JUNE and which might not\n\n1939\n01:59:19,150 --> 01:59:21,150\nbe ready or available for fully\n\n1940\n01:59:21,217 --> 01:59:23,619\nflushed ideas.\nWe will discuss with council\n\n1941\n01:59:23,953 --> 01:59:26,488\nwhat to do with that information\nand how to proceed.\n\n1942\n01:59:26,890 --> 01:59:28,890\nReally good ideas to bring to\n\n1943\n01:59:30,293 --> 01:59:32,293\nthe table for our discussion on\n\n1944\n01:59:32,362 --> 01:59:34,998\nthe 22nd.\nAny other final thoughts from\n\n1945\n01:59:34,998 --> 01:59:36,998\ncouncil?\n\n1946\n01:59:37,834 --> 01:59:39,834\n>> I took a lot of notes.\n\n1947\n01:59:40,904 --> 01:59:43,205\nThank you for your perspectives\nand your guidance.\n\n1948\n01:59:43,973 --> 01:59:45,808\n>> appreciate everybody being\nhere.\n\n1949\n01:59:48,110 --> 01:59:50,450\nBeing respectful and having a\ngood back and forth.\n\n1950\n01:59:50,513 --> 01:59:53,382\n>> if something comes to you\nthat didn't come to your mind\n\n1951\n01:59:55,986 --> 01:59:57,986\ntoday at the table send it to\n\n1952\n01:59:58,221 --> 02:00:00,221\ncassie, make sure she gets that\n\n1953\n02:00:00,256 --> 02:00:02,256\nif you had a good thought.\n\n1954\n02:00:04,327 --> 02:00:07,129\nWe still want to hear it or you\nare debriefing over coffee and\n\n1955\n02:00:07,397 --> 02:00:09,397\nthey give you an idea, send it\n\n1956\n02:00:11,334 --> 02:00:13,334\nto us so we can think about\n\n1957\n02:00:13,403 --> 02:00:15,604\nthat.\nPerfectly on time.\n\n1958\n02:00:16,373 --> 02:00:18,807\nGood job.\nThank you.\nLive cc by aberdeen captioning.\n1-800-688-6621.\n", "text": "we are all here.\nWe will get started.\nAshley will start the meeting.\nShe needs to make sure both systems are going.\nWe have to be quiet while she is\ndoing that so we don't overlap. Good to go?\nGreat.\nWelcome everybody here today to\nour really important roundtable discussion. Thank\nthank you all for coming.\nGrad you could make it to the beautiful public works building.\nI want to go around the table to\nsee who we are and our association so we know everyone\nthat is here and get into the\nobjectives for the meeting and\npresentations. >> I never get to be first. City attorney for the city of\nbend.\nIan lighthouser.\nscott jones, human rights and\nequity commission chair.\nfranzosa city councilor.\nmike rhymely bend city councillor.\nDavid burger local 290 and also\nstate building trades knowledge steve platt city council.\nNor guise bend.\nchair of the environment and climate committee.\nmegan perkins bend city council lower.\nMayor of bend. >> CHAIRMAN Of bend economic\ndevelopment board. Allen spector cascade natural\ngas.\nAlisa dunlap specific power. Arielle mendez.\nChair of affordable housing\nadvisory committee. Central oregon builders\nassociation. cassie lacey city manager's\noffice.\nEric king, city manager.\nthanks everyone for being here. How this will work.\nThis is a round table discussion.\nThis is to bring different stakeholders to the table to\nlisten to presentations and get\nyour feedback and ideas.\nFor council this is a listening mode mostly today.\nIf we have clarifying or\ninformational questions jump in. We want to hear from the folks\nat the table.\nWe have an opportunity for utility providers to share\ninformation with us so they have presentations.\nThey will have unput on the two\nquestions we are talking about today.\nThose are input on exemptions to the fee and implementation\ntimeline and approach.\nWe will have the presentations first.\nEach utility provider will give the presentation and hold\nquestions until the end. We will take questions focusing\non information and clarity from utility providers.\nWe will get into the individual\nstakeholders your ideas and thoughts on these topics.\nWe will discuss that after the presentations are done.\nThere are a lot of us.\nIf you want to respond or ask a question or give input please\nstand up your card so I can see you.\nI will make sure we get to everybody.\nI will call on folks if we need to draw that information out.\nNot a time council will deliberate or decide anything today.\nWe are gathering information to feed into a work session on APRIL 22.\nCouncil will have time to deliberate, make decisions about\nthe future of this policy.\nA lot of it is based on information we are given today.\nThat is what we are doing today.\nI will throw it back to cassie for background how we got here\nand then presentations from utilities.\nthank you. Information I will share is\nbackground information.\nEssentially information that I shared in memo last week.\nI will be brief so we can move to discussion. Background.\nCity has been working on broader program to encourage\nelectrification of buildings in\nbend to achieve climate action\ngoals over last year and-a-half. Climate fee today we have been\nfocusing on for the last few\nmonths is part of the\ndisincentive and incentive\ncomponent of rural work plan.\nWe will create incentives using\nto encourage the electrification\nusing proceeds of fee and\nexploring additional monetary incentives.\nThe city is expanding more robust program to share\ninformation about electrifying\nbuildings or upcoming work a\nworkshop series is coming up APRIL 29.\nWe have consequent ones for the next three months.\nIn the last part of the plan\nmonitoring landscape for policy\nlevers for reducing gas use as\nwell in the future. background.\nKey steps so far.\nPolicy development process.\nCouncil direction to pursue fee incentive program in APRIL last year.\nWork sessions with the council\nin AUGUST, OCTOBER and DECEMBER focusing on potential fee,\nanalysis on costs impacts of\nelectrifying homes.\nEngagement options for incentives and fees.\nIn DECEMBER and FEBRUARY we shared calculation and approach\nto fee design. FEBRUARY council gave staff\ndirection to pursue fee as proposed.\nThey set fee level at reduced rate which we will talk about in\na minute.\nAt that meeting they directed\nstaff to convene this roundtable\nto focus on fee exemptions and timeline for file major policy\ndecisions we need council to\ngive direction on to get the fee policy complete.\nI will share a quick overview of\nthe proposed fee structure.\nSocial cost of carbon multiplied\nby net lifetime by gas appliance\ncorrelated to said of house.\nDamages from carbon dioxide.\nIt takes into account the amount\nof carbon gas appliance produces\nover lifetime of apappliance\nminus carbon alternative electric appliance would emit\nthat is the net carbon impact of gas appliance.\nTier is multiplier to acts for lower or higher energy use\ncarbon emissions from smaller or larger houses.\nWe established three tiers.\nLowest is homes 1600 square feet\nor less.\nThat is 65% tier factor.\n1600 or 3,000 is average.\nThat is 100%.\nThis doesn't get adjusted. Greater than thousand square\nfeet they are 150%. One additional adjustment to base line fee.\nWhat council directed in\nFEBRUARY to adjust to 20% of calculated value.\nThis wases to minimize\nadditional cost impact of fee on new construction recognizing we\nwant to continue supporting housing goals and help meet city\nclimate goals as well. This final slide is table of\nwhat would become the fee schedule.\nFee is established per appliance.\nEach piece of equipment has\ndollar value varying over the three tiers based on the tier\nfactor.\nNew home being built these are the amounts that would have to\nbe paid for each of the pieces\nof equipment.\nFor single house add together to get total fee based on what the\npresent in the house.\nFrom this table you can see an average size home all gas\nequipment total fee would be over $2,000.\nAmounts correlated to relative\nenergy use of equipment that is why gas furnaces are majority of\nfee by quite a bit.\nThat is summary of fee overview.\nI will now passover to utility\npresenter to hear from pacific\npower then cec and then cascade\nnatural gas.\nI am alisa dunlap.\nI will wait until she pulls up the slides.\nI spoke with council a couple\nmonths ago.\nmy presentation will be briefer. That doesn't mean the rest of\nyou shouldn't ask me questions.\nFeel free to ask detailed questions as we get into the\nroundtable discussion.\nOverview of pacific power.\nWe serve 600,000 customers across oregon.\nPrimarily rural utility.\nWe have service territory, very small portion of portlands and\nthen here in central oregon as\nwell as out on the coast. Breaking it down to\ninfrastructure that serves city\nof bend.\nWe have seven existing substations.\nIt is where high voltage power\ncomes in to be stopped down to voltages to serve the homes\nabbusinesses.\nThere are seven substations.\nFive are planned or have been upgraded in the last two to\nthree years. Two more are plan understand the\nnext two years to be upgraded.\nWe submitted plans for\nadditional substation in southeast bend within the next five years.\nWhy do I tell about infrastructure?\nHere is what is existing.\nWhat is existing is tapped out.\nWe are actively trying to keep up with growth and vitality of\nthe region much like the city is\nbuilding roads and sewer to expand serve growing needs of the community.\nWe are trying to expand the grid\nto support the growth.\nHere are details on what growth\nlooks like in bend. This growth chart council saw\nbefore, but this represents 3% growth rate expansion\nyear-over-year.\nThe reason the line at the bottom does not start at the\nsame spot is because the\nbaseline of where we sit for eye\nelectrical capacity and load has\ngrown year-over-year and it is getting high here is and higher.\nBend is second highest growth.\nBehind redmond. Bend 3%.\nRedmond 4.3%. Portland is far behind the\ngrowth of central oregon.\nThis is our compliance chart.\nYou have seen this before. Hb2021 I will give overview.\nI am sure my colleagues will speak to this regulation.\nState law passed in 2021.\nIt requires investor owned\nutilities to meet targets. 80% baseline by 2030.\nThis is projection of emissions reductions.\nWe are in active rfp for renewable resources for oregon.\nI have good news to report on that front.\nI thought I wouldn't be able to provide updates until the end of\nthe year.\nWe will have preliminary results available this summer.\nSomething I committed to city staff and council to provide\nupdates because this is sort of key piece of how you are going\nabout making these policy decisions.\nAs soon as I have preliminary results available I will share\nthose with council.\nThis will be the first rfp for\nrenewable resources since the\nchanges to federal production tax credits.\nI would be remiss if I did not say in from structure is needed\nto bring infrastructure to the region.\nTransmission lines and those take years to build.\nWe are kind of working in all of these phases concurrently trying\nto meet the target that are\ncurrently set in oregon law.\nLastly, things to consider.\nInfrastructure as the community continues to grow.\nWhere will additional substations go as we need them\nor other utilities need them?\nI put in here just a land calculation so we need three to\nfive acres for a substation.\nWe are going to need city\nsupport on finding places to put the infrastructure.\nI will say electrical infrastructure is not most\nexciting.\nIt comes with controversy. As we build out to support\ncommunity we need support of the\ncity. Existing load growth trend.\nThis is highest growing region.\nBend is behind redmond as second highest community.\nWe have a large interconnectionqued for new users.\nA lot of projects in the pipeline.\nThat is all going to be strained as we move forward.\nThat pushes the need for additional infrastructure to be\nbuilt and support for that.\nLastly, on compliance. Hb2021.\nThe reason that rfp is so\nimportant to give us market costs what renewable energy is\ngoing to cost.\nWithin hb2021 there is affordability cost off-ramp.\nMeaning if the costs are\ndetermined to be too high for\ncustomers, utilities are able to\npush outcome appliance dates to preserve affordability for\ncustomers.\nThat is something that is unknown at the moment.\nI think I would be remiss if I\ndidn't say there is discussion\nabout the oregon legislature in\n2027 potentially pivoting to\ndifferent emissions reductions models or regulations.\nIf that does change we will certainly continue to engage\nwith city staff on what compliance with whatever the new\nthing is or if we are on the current path we will continue to\nengage with the community.\nWith that I am finished with my presentation.\nthank you. Is there anyone with a question\nat this point about that information she presented?\nI have a question.\nYou talked about affordability off-ramp.\nIt is widely publicized\nrenewable energy solar and wind\nis less expensive than gas, coal, nuclear.\nHow do you judge that? That affordability?\nHow will that be judged?\nWhat will the all tentative be for emission free energy.\nIf you don't hit affordability\nyou buy more expensive power? >> I am unclear on your\nquestion. Right now the current rfp open\nfor renewable resources I am\naware we have solicited bids for wind, solar and battery.\nAll of those would go towards hb2021 compliance.\nI don't know the pricing. That is not public.\nWe are soliciting bids.\nwhen we see the pricing against the market and whatever else is\navailable in our resource\nportfolio, we will make cost affordability calculations at that point.\nAll of these things have to be\napproved by the oregon public utility commission.\nWhen we go into present the rfp results, at that point we can\npoint to market conditions that\nsay, yes, these are affordable.\nHere is the compliance pathway we are currently on.\nWe expect everything to move\nforward as shown in that slide\nor, no, we need to make adjustments what is coming back\nfrom the market.\nWe can't tax customers in a way\nto make power unaffordable. >> demand is also rising.\nYou talked bend is in a growth\nphase and demand is increasing\nhere.\nanyone else with a question? >> I have a question.\nAccording to your slide from\n29-30 you go from 30% to 80%.\nThat is 50% increase in renewables. You have rfp out.\nWhat is currently available in\nthat one year period that is\ngoing to make your portfolio 50% more?\nwe had question about this last time, too.\nI anticipate when this rfp\nresults comes to fruition and we have nor information that compliance chart will look\ndifferent. We will have more renewable\nenergy resources available in\nyears prior to 2029. I don't think it is going to\nstay the way it is right now\nwith significant cliff from 29 to 30.\nThis is our best guess based on what we know of market\nconditions absence the current rfp.\nyou were talking about the growth.\nMaybe I didn't understand. Growth doesn't show what you are\ngoing to have to make up for not\nhaving in gas and utilities\nwhich is more than 30% growth.\nIs that accounted for? >> natural gas will remain a\npart of the electric mix. It is coal that can know longer\nserve oregon customers in 2030.\nwhat I am saying the growth\nand demand you are going to have\nto provide to bend.\nfrom potential move from gas. Bend is very high growth rate.\nI think to do that type of calculation that is very much\ngetting in the weeds.\nI try to keep this high level as possible.\nI am happy to run those numbers.\nI did run a few of the numbers based on the fee presented from\nstaff at the last discussion.\nWe can talk about that if we\nneed to get into the details. >> what was on the slide is\nright now without the policy in place?\nright. >> something different if policy\nwas in place? >> yes.\nwe have two other presentations.\nI don't want to spend 40 to 50\nminutes so we can have discussion.\nlisa, how much growth is driven by residential and how\nmuch driven buy outs\nbuy out side residential. >> most of the growth in\nresidential is coming from multifamily housing which is\nalready electrified.\nThose are significant.\nThey are on par with a small manufacturer.\nthank you. >> mike.\nI was going to ask the same question.\nthat worked out well. Garrett.\ndoes the timeline for\nexpansion of infrastructure include land use or how long it\ntakes to build substation.\nI don't think I laid out a timeline.\nthree to five acres is how much land we need for\nsubstation.\nI used to say you could builds a\nsubstation in three years. That is rocket speed.\nIt does take the land use\nprocess along with ordering long lead materials.\nYou could probably still do it in three years.\nMore like four to five years for a substation.\nany other questions? >> thank you for the\npresentation.\nAny strategies that can meet new\ndemand without transmission? Large load flexibility is a huge\nopportunity we have when we have\ncold snaps and heat waves how we\ncan keep the heat on. They don't meet the multiyear\ninfrastructure upgrades. >> we have robust demand\nresponse program that is rolled\nout to commercial and industrial first.\nIt came to bend last summer as residential program.\nWe are heavily encouraging energy efficiency.\nThose are two major ways we can\ncurb the need for transmission infrastructure.\nIt is necessary to get power from renewable energy resources\nnot related here or next to a\nload to serve the load.\nmoving to\nmoving to cc next. Your presentation. Thank\nthank you, lisa. >> brent ten pas.\nCentral electric cooperative. We appreciate the opportunity to\nbe here today.\nI also want to acknowledge cassie and her accessibility and\nreaching out in good conversations with her.\nVery good productive transparent conversations.\nThank you, cassie.\nIf pacific power is a rural utility, central electric is\nvery, very rural cooperative utility.\nI will give you brief background\nwho we are in my day-to-day\nthere are sometimes a lack of\nawareness who cec is and who we\nare in our mission to serve the\ngreater area.\nThe co opin the 1940s through\nthe rural electrification\nadministration in the f dr administration ranchers and\nfarmers borrowed 240,000 and\nstarted to build the system themselves. That has grown over the years.\nWe have a 5300 square file\nservice territory across five counties, tri-counties. 24 substations.\nWe are currently grading to\nconstruct a new substation for\nthe stevens ranch development.\nWe have 24 substations.\n4,000 miles of energized\npowerlines.\nThere is a snapshot of service territory.\nIf you go west you are looking at the ski resort.\nEast to iz, about 40 miles east\nof palina.\nNorth of madras.\nAs far south as brothers and I forget that little town out there.\nWe go pretty far south to hampton.\nThe yellow you see is\nunincorporated or unallocated territory.\nIf you are in the yellow area\nyou have a choice to connect\nwith cec or pacific power.\nEverything that you see there in\npink is pacific power.\nThat is a snapshot as of the end of 2025.\nWe are primarily residential\nirrigation frankly has slowly\nbeen declining over the years\nfor drought, farming, ranching, second and third generations\ndon't want to do it. Change in our make up.\nWe have commercial.\nAlso our largest number is the st. Charles hospital.\nAt the time it was constructed it was so far out it was in the\nservice territory.\nThat is an idea of growth over\nthe decades.\nZero in on the city of bend.\nRed line is the border. Pink is again pacific power.\nYellow would be unallocated. All of that growth on the east\ntsai\non east sideis service territory.\n7500 members in the city of\nbend. We will touch on it later.\nWith growth we will nearly\ndouble the number of members\nwithin the city of bend.\nWe purchase our power through\nbonneville power administration which managed columbia river\npower system.\nWe purchase power through\ngeneration cooperative pngc. Fuel mix is pretty clean\ndepending on the water year 89\nto 93 to 94% emission free.\nWe have 13% nuclear.\nWithin that 13% of nonspecified\nmarket purchases you will see\nsome small wind and solar.\nMost of those market purchases\nare more carbon intensive.\nThis is important to highlight.\nBpa is tier rate to balance low\ncost federal power with regional.\nPublic utilities, municipal utilities or co-ops.\nWe are coming to end of 20 year contract.\nThat tier 1 power for $40\nmegawatt comes off hydro system\nas well as bpa columbia generating in washington.\nIt is stable and predictable.\nTier 2 power is $70 a megawatt.\nAll of the growth we are\nexperiencing falls under tier 2.\nIt is more carbon intensive\nwhich impacts overall resource.\nPower costs 52% of our operating budget.\nBpa power is rising in cost.\nLast year they implemented 19%\nincrease for customers over three years.\nCec had to go out and raise its rates just over 9%.\nWe are starting cost service\nanalysis to look at what to do\nfor this year and the following\nyear to match that.\nOrganic growth which I touched\non we have seen increase 10% membership and we expect that\nagain over the next five years.\nThis is not just bend, but it is\nalso for us northwest redmond\nand sisters which is entirely in\nour service territory. Obviously greatest growth is in\nthe steven road development.\nAlso the multi-unit housing is driving upload as well.\nYou also have library there and just the other residential that\nis growing there.\nWe understand there is nearly\n7500 homes that will pretty much\ndouble our service meters just\nwithin the city of bend over the\nnext few years.\nOne of the things to touch on.\nResource adequacy is an\nincreasing challenge.\nOver last two years multiple\nheadlines about potential blackouts, 9 giga watt shortfall\nin that generation online not keeping pace with that shortfall.\nPut it into perspective.\n9 gigawatts would be like nine 1,000-megawatt power plants.\nState of oregon uses almost 7 gigawatts. Throw in peak load.\nThat is almost 9 gigawatts there\nto put example to that.\nIt's growing and resource\nadequacy is becoming ever\nincreasing issue as well as the\ncost for power is soaring. The data centers receive much of\nthe attention and blame for soaring energy demand.\nThey are playing a role in it. Pacific northwest is\nexperiencing great growth as we\nalso see here in central oregon. Greater electrification of homes\nincluding heating, air-conditioning, water heating,\nadoption of electric vehicles.\nThe other thing contributes is\nretirement of coal and less efficient natural gas that are\nnot replaced. Demand is outgrowing what is\ncoming online.\nThen you have the thorny knot of transmission constraints.\nHow will you import these firm resources into the state of\noregon?\nThe permitting and construction, everything that goes into\nconstruction.\nThose are all issues as my colleague has to work through\njust to have transmission to\nbring in and import that kind of power.\nWe took a serious hit just last month.\nMany of you MAY be following\nwhat is happening with the federal system and lawsuits\ngoing on for over a decade.\nA federal judge injunction\nissued to alter operations of bpa system.\nBottom line is that from APRIL\ninto summer, they are now going\nto buy pass generations.\nLosing several hundred average megawatt.\nThat is going to be lost for\npublic power that is pretty much overnight a 6% increase in costs\nof power on top of what we just\nnow have to deal with with the\nthree year 19% increase in power.\nHow are we meeting future demand?\nFirst and foremost we are going\nto promote efficient electricity\nuse to reduce tier 2 power performs to keep rates low.\nWe have never as co-op engaged in fuel switching.\nWe believed that members know\nwhat is best as far as meeting their energy needs.\nwhat we have done over the decades we have very robust\nenergy efficiency program as\nwell as rebates and inspections to help guide other members\nthrough energy choices to really\nif they choose to electrify and\ngo with high efficiency\nappliances to maintain affordability and responsible\nenergy use.\nYou know, we cannot afford to stand idly by and basically have\nbpa dictate to us what is\nhappening on tier 2.\nThrough our co-op we are looking\nat battery solar in the culver\narea among 25 members who wants\nto opt-in to help reduce tier 2\nreliance on bpa. We have also signed two\ndifferent power purchasing agreements wind and solar to\nhelp diversify our portfolio.\nWe are not seeing a lot of cost\nsavings from tier 2. Marginal difference than tier 2.\nAt the end in wrapping up, as\nnot for profit member owned utility.\nOur mission is to provide\nelectricity to members at lowest cost. Fulfilling that mission is more\ndifficult as we look at growth\nhow the energy industry is evolving.\nWe don't have full appreciation\nfor what the understanding what those potential financial\nimpacts would be for members.\nWe know more load coming on increases tier 2 costs and\nincreases infrastructure costs\nsizing things appropriately.\nWe are looking at the substation stevens ranch with hopefully\nconstruction time of three years.\nIt will cost about $13 million.\nwe are thinking about second substation to help meet the\nenergy needs in southeast bend.\nI will answer questions. >> questions?\nCouncilor mendez.\nthank you.\nYou said over 90% current mix is carbon emission free.\nCould you describe what the future expansion looks like in\nterms of carbon emission profile.\ncec or bpa? >> cec.\nthat growth under tier 2 will\nbe more carbon intensive.\nI can't put a number on it.\nWe are proactive with wind and solar to shave some of that off.\nAs well through energy efficiency.\nWe have a challenge.\nPotentially that solar with the battary storage in culver could\nhelp as well. >> steve. >> you talked about challenges\nwith transmission in the area of local and in the area.\nYou have city council and staff here listening.\nHow can we best help?\nwe have two different challenges.\nOur challenge is bpa.\nBpa is the transmission provider\nfor almost all of pacific northwest.\nTo give you example of the transmission constraints we have\nbeen experiencing in the primary\narea lack of transmission surface capacity.\nWe have spent over 10 years\nlobbying bpa to increase size of\nponderosa substation.\nAs well construct bonanza\nsubstation to step down that high voltage power.\nwe have finally gotten to a tipping points.\nThey are moving forward with funding.\nI can tell you that timeline has already been pushed out a couple\nmore years.\nWe have gone from looking at\npotentially having that online\nin 2029 to maybe 2032.\nAs those involved in edco know. We have to turn people and\nindustry away due to those\nconstraints.\nI liken bpa to naval aircraft carrier trying to turn it around.\nThat is the challenge we have\nwhen it comes to transmission.\nthank you.\nFinal question then cascade. >> I think you have similar\nproblems with distribution system.\nHow is the distribution system\nimpacted when people choose to\nput solar on their roof as well as plugging in electric vehicle\nand all of that stuff?\nI have solar on my roof.\nMy bill is minimal.\nHow does that help or harm the distribution?\nWhat is the status of the distribution network.\ntwo answers.\nIt is interesting because\nbelieve\nresidential rates are low.\nWe do not have a lot of solar. 45, $50,000 investment how low\nour rates are it didn't pencil out.\nThose that pay that premium for solar.\nWhen it comes to increasing load, electric vehicles,\ncharging at home, fully electrifying homes.\nWhat we have to do with the new\ndevelopments is resize infrastructure.\nOne of the biggest concerns was if the city was looking at\nputting in natural gas rights in legacy neighborhoods that would\nbe very problematic for cec\nbecause the other imagine from\nstructure was not built to ham that load.\nMembers pay for infrastructure upgrades. Line extension the member has to\npay out of pocket to do that.\nIt just comes down to knowing where and when that load is\nincreasing and making sure we\nhave the right infrastructure in place.\nI can't give you a specific answer to that question.\nI don't know if that helps.\nit does, yes.\nso we will move next to\ncascade natural gas. We do want to make sure we have\ntime for discussion.\nThere are slides from cng in that discussion.\nStarting the background slides\nand pause for questions and get\ninto that.\nI will invite my colleague to\nstart the presentation.\ngood afternoon. Don moore.\nRegion director for cascade natural gas.\nI support operations teams across oregon and washington.\nI grew up central oregon. I live here in bend.\nThis is my first roundtable. I saw a roundtable on the invite\nand all of the city of bend information.\nYet I was surprised when I walked in the room to see the\ntable in this configuration.\nWe appreciate the dialogue we have had with the city of bend.\nWe want to continue discussions\nwith the city what a well designed ordinance MAY look\nlike.\nSpecifically we want to ensure\nguardrails on housing\naffordability and energy\nreliable and path wades to recognize cascade investment in\nenergy efficiency and low carbon\nsolutions like renewable natural\ngas and dual fuel systems.\nIf the proposal today doesn't take that into consideration we\nneed to be realistic on the demand on the constrained system\nand environmental impact of\ngenerating that electricity. If the city policy does not\naccount for that it MAY cause\nmore problems than it solves.\nWe hope to work with rather than against bend.\nWe have a legal obligation to\nserve customers in bend and we\nthink we can make a compelling\ncase for keeping natural gas as\npardon of the bend energy mix. We have been serving central\noregon since 1960s.\nWe have 62000 customers here in central oregon, 11 communities.\nTo the far north madras and far south shamalt.\nWe have 35 local employees 25\nare bargain unit employees. Partners at pacific power and\ncentral oregon electric\nmentioned resource adequacy.\nCascade is not at odds with either of those utilities.\nIn fact, inner dependence\nbetween natural gas and electric\nutilities is only increasing.\nWe have sourced a study.\nPacific northwest utilities\nconference committee regional\nforecast 2025 to 2035.\nIt lays out in stark terms that\nthe pacific northwest energy\nsystem is constrained.\nNow in the pacific northwest winter peak exceeds summer peak.\nWhen it gets really cold you\nneed additional BTUs cascade provides.\nExtreme weather in JANUARY 14,\n2024 affected northwest including bend.\nDuring that 24 hour period\nduring one hour period 607 he --\n70% of the energy gas came from natural gas.\nIt is leaned on to provide capacity.\nThat is there.\nIndustry leaders in the 10 year forecast stressed urgency for\ncoordination and investment in\nboth natural gas and electric\nresources. Regional collaboration is\nessential. I believe you MAY not want\nnatural gas but you need it.\nThere is an interest and\nunderstanding local impact of emissions. Resource it is important to step\nback to understand the relative\namount of emissions resource is\nfrom 2023 oregon department environmental quality.\n35% of all emissions in 2023\ntransportation.\n29% electricity, 15% natural\ngas.\n3.4% of all emissions in 2023 were attributed to gas\ndistributed by cascade.\nThat is a small amount, cascade\nis investing in low carbon solutions.\nLike rmg and dual fuel systems.\nI will ask my colleague cole to\nshare information about those\ninvestments. >> don, quick introduction.\nI am manager of industrial SERVICEs cascade natural gas\nfocusing on renewable natural gas development.\nI have experience working at\ncombination electric and gas utility and electric cooperative.\nThat being said, I want to introduce you to some of the\nefforts cascade is doing. In\naddition to energy efficiency.\nInvestments in participation r&d\nthrough gas technology. Renewable natural gas.\nBiogas is existing resource\nwhether or not used or not is a good question.\nIt is through decomposition of\norganic materials in landfills, waste water treatment,\nagricultural sites and so forth. Really we have avenues to\nrepurpose this biogas.\nRefined upgraded to meet utility\nspecifications and utilized in utility transportation.\nWe make investments in renewable natural gas and we will discuss\nthose shortly.\nCascade renewable natural gas\nefforts are depicted here.\nThree projects renewable natural\ngas and two projects under development.\nOne is locally at the knot landfill.\nCascade will own and operate the natural gas plant to use that\nresource in the community.\nWe are looking forward to the\nopportunity to capture that, refine and utilize for benefit\nof customers.\nCascade efforts in renewable\nnatural gas are landfills and wastewater treatment plant being.\nWe have voluntary renewable gas program you can receive supply\nof\ngas that can help us drive our\nefforts in this emerging\ntechnology space. Additionally in bend we are\nworking on dual fuel heat pump system program.\nThis is trying to understand is\nutilization of dual fuel heat pumps.\nCan this be better system that\ncan benefit both electric and natural gas companies\nalleviating demand constraints\nexisting or future demand constraints.\nWhile also leveraging heating\ncooling for customers more cost-effective both summer and\nwinter. We believe it has great\nopportunity to benefit both constrainted grid and meet\ncustomer needs in local area and\nexpanded service territories.\nI will ask to pause and check\nin with questions so far.\nR and g this is a time to ask\nquestions before the policy.\nyour colleague said 3.4% of\nall emissions.\nAttributed to cascade natural gas.\nDoes that include emissions\nattributed to distribution leaks?\nwhen you say distribution.\nThese emissions are to the\nvolumes we provide new customers customers.\nIn use molecules we report on.\nWhen you talk about transportation can you provide\nmore context?\nI am hearing no.\nWould not account for distribution leaks?\nI can answer that question. >> so we can make sure it is on\nthe recording.\nSystems emissions. >> I didn't hear that.\nit is called system emissions\nand gas distributed.\nother questions. Sarah.\nI am curious about results of dual fuel heat pump.\nWhat data you expect to share and what that would be shared\nwith the community. >> reference there the gas\ntechnology institute is project partner.\nThey are active in utility\nindustry for pilots and research and development opportunities.\nPresentation that was presented\na few weeks ago at a large industry conference.\nPublicly available. Preliminary findings can be\nreferenced now then full findings anticipated to be in\nabout a year.\nLooking to utilize over a full calendar year to understand how\nthey operate for our customers. >> mike. >> can you talk about the full\ncost to deliver r and g to\ncapital plus deliver recompared\nto cost of natural gas.\nWhat is magnitude. >> renewable gas is more\nexpensive.\nWe are to comply with regulations.\nAt time of evaluations it was\nmost cost-effective to meet obligations.\nScope and scale.\nMy understanding based on previous analysis.\n[Inaudible]\nHigher offsetting needs for gas supply.\nThose equivalent volumes on\nboard injecting are serving needs of environmental\nrequirements and offsetting\nnatural gas volumes we would\ntypically source from fossil fuel. >> steve. >> I am interested in the\nlandfill capture locally.\nHow it is flared off. Two questions.\nHow many homes could be heated using that?\nWhat is expected timelie to get usable renewable natural gas off\nthat site?\nif you don't mind pivoting back one slide.\nIn state of oregon customers in\nlast evaluation last year 672 terms.\nAnticipated injecting 2.5 million terms.\n3700 homes worth of gas\nassociated with our volumes there.\nAs far as lifespan.\nI will acknowledge the fact the knot landfill is scheduled to close.\nThat is to move forward with this opportunity, this plant\nwill utilize gas continually\ngenerated over the lifetime which we are involved for 20\nyear period.\nThere will be renewable natural gas sourced from that site for\nat least the next 20 years.\n3700 homes off that site? >> that's correct. >> thanks.\nany other questions?\ngo ahead. >> my understanding r and g from\na variety of feedstocks.\nDairyman neurojects withdairyman now\ndairy and man new.\nIs cascade uses environmental\nattributes from that gas? >> you are correct in the fact\nthat different r and g sources\nhave different carbon intensity associated with them.\nCompany is not involved with anything with dairy.\nReason is most of those projects\nare sourced in the low carbon\nfuel standard in transportation\nindustry bigger financial driver.\nFederally mandated.\nFor purposes of compliance in\noregon more carbon agonotic.\nNot necessarily focusing on larger investments with dairy\nfacility with large digester to to be installed.\nNot something we are currently involved in.\nNot saying won't be involved in the future depending on the\nstate policies.\nif cascade gets involved in\nthe future those attributes\ndon't help with the cpp\ncompliance is that correct understanding?\nDepending how we are involved with the project we have\ndifferent structures. Carbon compliance could be\nsourced and utilized if we are\ninvolved with that project. Methane, raw gas and environment\ntell attributes associated.\nanyone else with a question?\nWhat I will ask cascade to do.\nNext slides are general feedback. Skip to implementation to make\nsure we get on record your\nfeedback on implementation timeframe and exemptions that\nare two things we are discussing today.\nMove to that slide and whoever\nis presenting on that slide for implementation timeframe.\nI would be glad to speak to that.\nAlyn spector from cascade natural gas.\nI appreciate the opportunity to speak at round table about\npotential ways to avoid\nunintended consequences of a potential fee.\nFirst, we feel strongly especially after hearing\nfeedback of electric utilities\nthat until compliance is\ndemonstrated with hb2021 there\nis no guarantee it is going to\nreduce carbon emissions. To put this in place.\nWe would ask that at the very least pacific power will have results this summer.\nThat is critical information and they are able to meet their\ngoals, the ordinance shouldn't move forward.\nLikewise, we have been working\nwith the city with the dual fuel\npilot we put together that pairs electric heat pump and gas\nfurnace to allow each to do what\nthey do best.\nFull findings integrated in MARCH 2027.\nWe would love to have that pilot complete and provide that data\nto the city to help inform what moves forward.\nIf the ordinance does pass we encourage the city explore this\nas multiyear pilot program. Implementation phased in overtime.\nI think it is very important to pay attention to impacts to\nenergy costs, to demand on grid for resource adequacy.\nImpacts to carbon to make sure\nwe are avoiding unintended consequences.\nBecause some of this analysis that the city had shared in\nprevious discussion showed\npotential for carbon to increase.\nat least until such time as\npacific power was meeting hb\nhb2021.\nLanguage also mandate that it be\ndiscontinued if there are\nresource adequacy issues,\ntargets not met or increases observed.\nWe know the city would be transparent on this.\nWe want to re-enforce revenue allocation should be transparent\nto the public. Modifications to strengthen\nordinance avoid unintended consequences.\nLike we said, it is very\nimportant to consider utility's capacity to meet state carbon\ngoals, look from a full fuel\ncycle electric and gas gas\nperspective as well. Pacific power ability to meet\n2021 or looking electric fuel\nmix as r and g is put into our\nplanning documents and shown to\ncomply with cpp, we ask that be taken into consideration when\nyou are looking at incremental carbon.\nIn terms of utility system.\nIt is critical that before this ordinance is forwarded that\nthere be an analysis of winter\npeak impacts to ensure that\ndisplaced demand can be met by the electric utilities.\nKeeping an eye on potential off raches.\nThe electric utilities experience infrastructure\nconstraints. If the intent of this ordinance\nto reduce carbon, pathways for\nlow efficiency electric\nequipment be eliminated.\nSo in terms of exemptions.\nI'm sure a lot of folks at the\ntable have feedback. We would love to see an\nexemption for affordable housing\nand housing for first time home buyers, understanding that bend\nis struggling with housing affordability issues.\nI think that just as members of the community we want to make\nsure the folks that work in bend\nare able to live in bend as well.\nHave potential delays on the exemption for the fee.\nIf there are impacts to development or if there is\ndelays that result from infrastructure constraints for\nincremental electric demand. Making sure infrastructure can\nbe built out to meet demand displaced by gas.\nIf we are able to comply with\nthe climate protection program,\nthere is a risk of of\nrisk of redone dancy\nin design of ordinance.\nIf we are in good faith\ncomplying with cpp fee remain dormant unless we are not able\nto make compliance. The other piece.\nGas plays a critical role in resource adequacy.\nGas and electric system work\ntogether very effective way.\nWe ask dual fuel and emergency back up health and safety value\nto homeowners to have that dual\nfuel system except in the fee. Reductions.\nBacking off the incremental\ncarbon from amount of r and g in\nsystem through integrated resource plan.\nReally what we are saying is we\ncan't afford to have the fee\nraising energy costs and carbon.\nThat just means making sure that\nthis is done the right way, that\nthe correct analysis goes into\nthe design of the ordinance and\nthat until carbon targets are\nmet, electrification targets are\nmet, this fee lie dormants. It is not decarbonization.\nAs previous city presentations have shown.\nThere is a risk for some path\nways with lower efficiency\nequipment until the targets met\nwith 2021, carbon MAY increase.\nKeep that in mind. We feel like ordinance should be\ndelayed until 2021 can be met.\nWe want to avoid duplicate fees by waiving charge if in compliance with climate\nprotection and delaying\nordinance until hybrid study complete. We are glad to continue to work\nwith the city to help forward\ndecarbonization solutions. We appreciate the time.\nthat is a good transition to\nthe discussion around these two categories, cascade gave input\nto implementation timeline and exception. Cassie has a couple slides.\nI want folks to give perspective\non those two things as well. What are the things on the list\nyou you agree or disagree with? What should the city do in these\ntwo areas.\nCassie will get us starting with exemptions.\ntwo topics we are looking for\ninput on.\nExceptions and implementation.\nExemptions we have three topics or ideas.\nSome came up from our utility presenters and other discussions\nwith the council or community members.\nThe three topics we would like feedback on.\nWhether there should be exemption for deed restricted\naffordable housing, homes with\ndual fuel heat pumps and homes using renewable natural gas.\nI think conversation on\nrenewable natural gas as we thought about this in the last\nweek.\nIt feels it MAY be challenging\nto exempt a single home.\nMore broadly should there becomedation for use of\nrenewable natural gas on individual home basis or\npotentially as cascade proposed\nthat it would be factored into the fee equation.\nThe mix of the fee equation and\nthen it would be adjusted system-wide.\nThose are the three ideas.\nAffordable housing, rng and\nother additional ideas from round table participants.\nfor our participants.\nIf you want to comment on these ideas, present your own ideas\nthis is the point to get that conversation started.\nWe have committee folks,\naffordable housing committee.\nI can guess what you might want to say.\nWhoever wants to start us off.\nWe are gathering information.\nWe are all respectful of every one's position.\nWe want to hear conflicting\npositions how to deliberator on\nthis to be pick. Garrett, kick us off.\ndeed restricted affordable housing look at ami target\nknowing bend's housing crisis is\naround the entire.\nI am throwing that out there for\nconsideration. >> other thoughts?\nNo, we shouldn't have\nhave the exemptions.\nWe want to hear it all. >> mandy. >> the affordable housing\ncommittee does want an exemption for deed restricted affordable\nhousing.\nI would agree with garrett that\nmaybe we should extend that just because we do have a problem\nwith our middle housing as\nwell-being more affordable in bend.\ncan you both expand?\nQuantify what you mean by middle\nhousing what that looks like.\nI will throw it up there 120% is our preference.\nOpen to conversation on that.\nthat is online with what we end up with as well.\nother thoughts?\nI know people have them. >> general question.\nAre we talking about what could\nbe done with the fee if there is\na fee imposed to help offset that?\nnot today. Revenue is going to be spent\nthat is a separate conversation.\nIf that helps you think about\nthe exemption feel free free to\nexpand on that.\nenvironment and climate\ncommittee supports exemption deed restricted affordable\nhousing. Most is all electric.\nThis\nthis is a signal from ecc to\nremove barriers to affordable\nhousing as bend needs more.\nI can go down the list for dual fuel equipment.\nEcc does not support exemption.\nWe support fee reduction for mixed fuel heating systems.\nWe think adding heat pump should be acknowledged.\nWe don't want to create loophole\nwhere you don't pay a fee.\nYou can adjust settings so gas kicks in at 50 .\nThat would be a gas system.\nWe want to have the rate be conservative reflecting\ncontinued gas use and\nrecognizing the contribution of electric heat pump.\nIn terms of rng we do not\nsupport exemption or reduction for rng.\nIt is simply injected into the gas apply with other fuels.\nRng is important and useful. It should be prioritized for\nmore hard to electrify sectors\nsuch as heavy industry and transportation and not\nresidential buildings that are\neasier to electrify. >> all right.\nOther thoughts? Sarah.\nI guess I was going to second\nthe comment around ami level\nalso 80 and 120 from chamber\nperspective work force housing band is important to focus on.\nOne other thing we are talking\nabout and this is not pertaining\nto multi-family per se defining\nwhat that looks like because in\nsome instances like quad or\nduplex or quadplex.\nWhat that looks\nlooks like to ensure builders are aware of that.\nwhen we talked about the fee\nnot applying to large\nmulti-family developments. Is there ability to be clear in\nour code what that means and what this would apply to?\nit is something we plan to\nbring to the council on APRIL 22 because that question.\nwe have heard from the council\nwe don't want to apply to multi-family.\nWhere is that cut off? We entered discussions with\nstaff this week to define those. We will talk about it with the council.\nI would rather wait.\nWe are actively discussing it.\nI would like to wait.\nthey are flagging for clarity.\nin the definitions what the\ncode is applicable to where that would be defined and we will\ninclude that in the discussion\non the 22nd. >> scott.\nthanks.\nHuman rights commission would support deed restricted\naffordable housing exemption\nalong with affordable housing advisory committee recognizing\nto be fair and equitable with\nthat middle range up to 120%.\nJust wanted to emphasize that from our perspective.\nThank you.\ngo ahead.\naffordable housing.\nWe think the vast majority of\naffordable housing is already\nall electric or multi-family that is do nothing addition to\nthe policy.\nFrom my perspective the looming equity issue I see around\nexpanding fossil-fuel network\nand this is in the oregon state\nenergy strategy.\nRisks of having gas asset and\nhaving homeowner middle or low income or renter sadeled with\ngetting gas out of the house\nthat is equity crisis on the horizon.\nAnything to reduce fossil fuel expansion.\ntwo-thirdses gas bill today are maintenance and that is not going away.\nIt is important we neat goals\ntoday.\nI want everybody to be cognizant\nthe more we build out the fossil-fuel.\nMore we take to electric fiit is\ngoing to disproportionately hit\npeople least able to deal with that.\nMulti fuel equipment cascade pilot is good example.\nThere are many combinations dual\nfuel house.\nDifferent heat pumps.\nSet points tweaked differently by different renters.\nThe range of outcomes is huge.\nAs city is considering that, be conservative and realistic.\nNot every house is switching\nfrom gas to electric at 35 .\nRealistic carbon benefit is more marginal when we think in\npractice how dual fuel systems are rolled out. Renewable natural gas.\nLast time I was at industry\nconference in nashville we had lunch or dinner with three\nseparate clients. They were all talking about a\ncool project.\nIt was not the same project.\nI would expect gas utilities\nlooking at the small pool of available projects.\nWe shouldn't be hedging bets\nthat cascade will meet all\ncompliance goals through rng alone.\nPublic utility commission has not acknowledge would long-range\nplanning to comply with cpp.\nCity of bend should be cognizant of that.\nallen for your long-range plan.\nWhen do you think that will go\nthrough the process and be\ncomplete for you and your plans?\nI might defer to my colleague\non that.\ncontext when you say commission recognition.\nCan you clarify how you view\nthat?\ncascade was making insufficient supporting\nassumptions about cost.\nThey do not think cost\nassumptions are realistically\nguaranteeing low rates.\nHow does cascade resolve that if\nit is 90% of compliance portfolio?\nthat is a specific question. >> what I am looking for is\ntimelines.\nThat is what we are talking about today.\nImplementation timelines. When is pacific power going to\ncomply? Timelines for you all.\nWe know there are specific places and back and forth.\nWhat is the expectation when we get to the point where you have\na plan that is the thing you are\nimplementing?\nabsolutely.\nBest cost options of rng. Timeline I can't speak to that\ntodays. I will be glad to follow up with\nthe city with more detail. What I will say the projects\nthat we are discussing today.\nThere are three that are fully operational right now.\nIt is more than hypothetical.\nIn terms how that is going to be\nutilized for cpp compliance we continue to have those\nconversations with regulators. If it is a priority of\ncommunities that is for\ncompliance that is something we would take back to integrated\nresource planning team.\nWe would start that conversation\nto work with the city to\nincorporate that in a way that\nis satisfactory to the city and regulators. We would be happy to continue\nthose discussions.\nfor councilors to gather information.\nWe are not at the same level\nmany of you are.\nWhen you talk in acronyms, I ask\nthat you take it on a level we can understand.\nI apologize.\nthat is okay.\nWe haven't heard from david or john.\nYou don't have to if there is\nanything to add.\nI will go ahead.\nLocal 290 would support deed restriction for affordable\nhousing.\n120 ami.\nObviously we are in full support\nhomes with dual fuel equipment.\nI have had it in my homes in central oregon since 2002.\nThey work great. They both supply when the\ntemperatures are low and gas can\nmake up that difference. When the heat pumps can't.\nThey work very well in this climate.\nThat is something that needs to be thought of, too.\nDual fuel projects like that are\ndifferent in different climate.\nThis climate supports the good\ndual fuel program.\nMild climates not so much.\nWe have pretty decent winters,\nnot this year.\nRenewable natural gas we support 100%.\nTo think in the future to add to\nthat just because technologies change and things change.\nWhat might be available changes\nis there might be hydrogen mix\nin natural gas to do the same\nthing to reduce carbon of the\ngas. >> john. >> can we go back.\nThere was a stat about the\nimpact of carbon from cascade\nnatural gas presented that\nshowed that 15% emissions from\nnatural gas versus 29% from electricity.\nCan you help us understand that?\nIt makes it stand like the\nimpact of electricity has twice\nthe carbon outputna natural gas is that twice supply coming from\nelectricity versus natural gas? How do we understand.\nI will share sources for the study to provide more information.\nSome of it does pertain to\nscaling the delivery of gas\nversus delivery of electricity\nlooking at the fuel mix of the electric system today.\nLooking at the direct use of\nnatural gas versus the use of\nnonrenewable energy for electric generation.\nThere are multiple factors that go into that.\nI would be very happy to make\nsure -- there is a link to the\nsource on the slides now up on the city website.\nin the deq study from oregon.\nGood question. >> I guess that's still trying\nto process what you are saying. However, I guess in terms what\nis asked in exemptions here.\nConversations at bdad support exemptions around deed\nrestricted affordable housing we\nbelieve the housing crisis is\nreal and we want to support ways\nto offset that impact to homeowners.\nWe support continuing to do\nprojects dual fuel proof of concept.\nThere needs to be more data to\nsupport the fee structure and outcomes that that ultimately\ngets passed to the home owners.\nThose are the discussions we\nhave. >> garrett.\nthere is a lot of action at\nthe state to reduce fears to\nbuilding certain housing types,\ncondos in the triplex, fourplex and beyond.\nMaybe consideration for exemptions to hold off on those\nhousing types to begin with to let progress play out to see if\nwe can bring to market rather\nthan adding hurdle to development.\nsomething to separate by housing types.\nOther thoughts on exemptions.\nIf you think of one later we\nwill come back to you. Sarah.\na couple comments about the\nstranded asset for exemptions of ami's of housing.\nAll homes will be dual fuel. Infrastructure will be laid for\ngas and electricity because of\nthe nature of the choice issue.\nI think that eliminates concept of stranded asset.\nThink about this broadly when we\nthink about what that ami exemption would look like. >> thank you.\nI think to make sure we are grounding for anyone watching.\nWe are talking about one time\nfee at beginning of new\nconstruction.\nThese exemptions at time of new construction.\nFinal thoughts on exemptions\nbefore implementation timeline. Robin.\nI wanted to add that ecc only\nsupports one exemption deed\nrestricted affordable housing. We want to limit exemption.\nEvery exemption reduces\nemissions that this has.\nEvery exemption adds\nadministrative burden to the\npolicy, additional tracking, calculations, enforcement.\nWe have had 20% of the snowpack in deschutes.\nWe need more climate action now.\nThose exemptions limit impact of the policy.\nWe advocate for less exemptions.\nthank you for that.\none consideration not voiced\nis winter heating via electric\nis more demand than summer. If there are developments that\ncannot meet that incremental\ndevelopment that regards large\nupgrades by electric utilities\nthey would penalize and delay\nwhile that infrastructure is\nbuilt out gas resource adequacy\nto mead that and get that up and running sooner. >> final thought?\nI had other ideas.\nany home that has natural gas\nthat is going to include solar. Put an exemption on home that\nhas that.\nAnother one could be any home\nthat for the future behind every appliance has both gas and electric.\nWhat they choose now can be\nwhatever service they want. It could be changed at any point.\nNot extra cost down the road.\nit is already available and\nbuilt into the home. >> thoughts on those ideas?\none thing on solar. Ecc we touched on that in our\nlast meeting.\nIf we want to add solar to the\nconversation we don't want exemption but reduced fee in calculation.\nThat would be based on the size\nof the system and size of the house.\nAs we know with the grid being\ndirty, these local renewable\nemissions could really support\nto make that grid cleaner.\nWe don't want it as exemption. You could have one panel on your\nhome and that would eliminate the fee.\nWe want to acknowledge addition of solar because we think it is\nan important part of this\nconversation, a reduction. >> brennan.\nreiterate robin's point as\nwell and when we consider\nexemptions look in totality.\nWhat can realistically be administered by a team of two in\nthe city. Back to sarah's point.\nI want to push back on the idea\nstranded assets are a stranded issue.\nAffordable single family housing\nbuilt all electric in bend and\nsisters and many others. Good proof of concept gas is\nonly utility you don't need to live in a house.\nthank you. Final thoughts on exemptions\nbefore implementation?\nto echo sarah's point.\nIn talking to builders how fee is per equipment.\nAll infrastructure is brought\nout to new construction gas and\nelectric to convert in the\nfuture so we don't run into risk\nof stranded asset. >> allen.\nTo the point of limited staff to administer this.\nThat is why and talking about\nthe fuel mix today not being decarbonized on electric tsai.\nThat is why it is important to\nhave this fee lie dormant until\nthe carbon intentionally of\nelectricity and gas when that switches.\nThen the fee can take effect. >> next topic.\nWhen should this be in effect. Timeline, considerations there\nwhich you have given us in your\npresentation which I took notes\non. >> implementation timeline\nlooking for feedback on\neffective date of fee. Starting point date we would\nlike to put out would go into effect JANUARY 1, 2028.\nSome of the things that we\nthought of when we were thinking about appropriate timeline.\nPacific power's compliance for\nhouse bill 2021.\nPart was based on understanding\nthat pacific power has rfp open\nthis year that might take to\nends of year for costs to give information about compliance\ntimelines.\nWe might get information sooner. That is interesting\nconsideration.\nAnother one is ideas implementation of OCTOBER 2026\nthat becomes mandatory APRIL of 2027 legislative session next year.\nWe did hear from pacific power\ntoday there is potential rumors\nof changes to greenhouse gas\nbill 2021 which would have significant impact on how fee is\ncalculated. Anything in the legislative\nsession we need time to accommodate.\nthis is the starting place.\nHappy to hear about the timeline or other considerations.\nThinking about the the things and\nwhen the fee should be in effect.\nOur next topic.\nI want to acknowledge 5:30 P.M.\nIf not done at 6:00 we will keep going.\nIf you can stay, that is great. If you have to leave at 6:00\ntell me so I can call on you.\nWho wants to kickoff on implementation ideas or\nthoughts. >> pacific power does not have timeline.\nWe will keep staff and council\nappraised of changes in the regulatory compliance and go\nover anything in the legislative session to impact gas emissions\nfor us.\nthank you for that.\nI think my thought would be\nthat if I believe council's\nintent is to reduce carbon,\nright, in the city?\nUntil pacific power gets to where they reduce emissions.\nThey say they can meet that goal around 2029 or 30.\nI ask it be pushed out until\n2029 or 30 medical\n30 or until they prove they met that goal.\nwe are wants to participate in the pilot program.\nI would love to have that play\nout, study data prior to fee being imposed.\nHappy to get into more depth what we envision from pilot.\nwe haven't had chance to do that in two minutes to council.\nOpen to questions. >> policymaking is not perfect.\nWe are never going to make decisions in a vacuum.\nIf it is ongoing pilot or pilot\nthat might happen in the future,\nhb2021 or climate protection or\nbuilding code update or speculation on legislative\nsession or new federal administration.\nSomething dynamic that is nature of the things.\nAt some point we have to stop\ncollecting data and do something\nbecause we are in a vacuuming of leadership.\nWe are backsliding since the\nfirst inventory.\nBend admissions have gone up 20%.\nWe are headed for bad wildfire season.\nWe have to just try something at some point.\nThis is already a very modest option.\nOriginally the restriction was\non the table.\nIt is scaled back the level of\naction because of concerns from\naffordable housing and economic development.\nWe need to remember climate\naction is being go stewards of\nenvironment be with healthy air.\nThat makes bend economically viable. We need to try something and\ncheck in on policy. That is good development.\nWe think the city should do that\nto make sure it is not having unintended consequences.\nSome are wrong and useful.\nWe need to try to collect real data and tweak things down the\nroad. april 2027. >> what day.\nin line with the building\ncodes update for developers to\nhave single compliance calendar.\necc recommends start day JULY 1, 2027.\nWe do not think we should wait\nuntil JANUARY 1, 2028 primarily due to speculation of legislative session.\nIf anything comes up in that\nlegislative session we could\ndelay and amend as needed. We need climate action now.\nI want to note based on, david, your point.\nThese appliances can last up to 20 years.\nIf we install electric now or gas now, those will last for 20\nyears.\nIn that 20 year lifespan we are assuming pacific power could\nchange drastically.\nWe want to build smart from the\nstart knowing these systems last\nquite awhile.\nsarah. >> we would land with garrett\nand the conversations around the pilot.\nWhen I look at forming opinion on implementation of this.\nI think about north star housing\naffordabilities. 53% of the people working in\nbend don't live in bend.\nThat is something we need to do something about.\nYesterday we were at park side place. We are making progress.\nWe can't hold gas on that kind of progress.\nThat is my lens I am coming from trying to balance with the\nconcerns that we are talking about with climate. -\nI think it is important that we\nhave a lot of different policymaking at the city\nsometimes happens in silos.\nWe have the home hardening building 327 expedited that\nmakes sense to expedite from\nwildlife, wildfire prevention, tree code conversation, natural\ngas fee code conversation.\nAll of these things are tiny chunks of affordabilities.\nTime and space to sequence some\nof those decisions in a manner that makes sense and affects\naffordability and what we do for the community is something I\nsupport and members support.\nI guess I will leave it at that. I would love to hear more about\nthe pilot at garrett.\ndid you have a question?\ncassie, I want to set for the room.\nBuilding code update coming in right here.\nCan you tell us to explain the effect of that building code in\nterms of installation of new\nequipment into homes in the hvac world.\nif a building codes person wants to jump in.\nI will take a stab at it.\nImproves energy efficiency with\nnew construction by 30%.\nI think that is maybe all I can\nsay confidently. Anything to add from the building people?\nwhat I am trying to get at.\nIn most cases a c unit installed\nin a home will require a heat pump.\nthank you for reminding me about that part.\nAnother part of the code\nair-conditioning installed it has to be heat pump to ensure\nany home with air-conditioning\nwhich is many of them have a heat pump.\nGas furnace sets up for duel fuel options that will have an\nimpact as well. >> I am asking that question\nbecause I do acknowledge\naffordability and agree with sarah it is my north star as\nwell.\nThat is a way to really avoid a\nlarge portion of al lakarstify.\nThat is $1,500 bucks in cost.\nThree quarters of fee goes away\nwhen this drops into our laps here in APRIL next year.\nI think that helps with affordability.\nuntil we make decision on the\ndual fuel systems.\nIf someone puts in gas furnace cost would be there.\nIt could be automatically\ndriving more electric systems if people put it in for sure.\nthank you.\nI will go to you and then to garrett.\na couple members of committee\nthat were concerned about the layering on of fees.\nIf we go route of exemption for\nup to 1:20 A.M. I, there is less\nconcern because it was the hardening.\nWe want to reduce barriers for affordable middle.\ngarrett pilot program could\nyou explain we are in the world of timeline.\nWhat do you mean?\nthe time limited aspect study\nat least a year to collect the\nenergy use data to understand the grid impacts. Construction data collection.\nThis is what I vision how this\ncomes to life. Three members of production builders now.\nWe hope to do this at scale.\nWilling in upcoming projecs to\nidentify select homes to have a side by sides comparison\nbuilding all electric next to\nall gas. The reason that selecting homes\nin same project matters.\nAll projects are different.\nSame land two different products\nbest way to collect data. Alongside high efficient\nelectric equipment was mentioned.\nWe have high performance builders.\nOne has offered to be a consultant.\nWe want to look at climate goals.\nHere is time line.\nOur members talked like quickest two years to get homes\nidentified, built, sold and study.\nTwo to three is roughly what we are thinking with city support\nand permitting process.\nWe could get closer to two.\nAlso, a piece I missed with home selection we need diverse\nselection of homes.\nTownhome, single story detached,\ntwo-story detached how it contributes to emissions and\nwhat affordability looks like in direct costs.\nwhat you are saying policy\nwould not apply city-wide two to\nthree years only in certain ways\nas we study data before going\ncity-wide? >> yes.\nI tried to make as brief as possible. >> I understood it.\nMandy. >> brief question.\nWhy would you not look retroactively at information\nthere are houses and buildings and data.\nwhy would you need to builds\nhomes, wait timeframes versus\nidentifying the homes.\none of the challenges with\ndevelopment costs it is sourced regionally not specifically to\nbend. We have unique codes.\nTo do here to collect local data\nwould be most impact\nimpact full. Second part of question.\nwhy won't you identify locally?\nthat is comparing variables.\nAll electric home built here and here.\nThere are different costs\nassociated with that because of difference in pieces of land.\nSide by sides with gas and and\nelectric home we control the variables.\nany other questions on that\nor ideas?\nCouncilor mendez. >> we heard concern about\ndelaying until we have more sent\non the pathway to complying with hb2021.\nWe talk about importance of\ncomparing high efficiency to low\nefficiency electrification.\nCouncil had a preference for\nhigh efficiency electric appliances.\nTo what extent does 2021\ncompliance the efficiency of the\nelectrical appliances\nimplemented?\neven with -- with low\nefficiency equipment, pacific\npower not in compliance with\n2021 is a very big problem.\nHigh emission electricity and quantity consumed is high\nbecause of low efficiency. Efficient equipment the concern\ngoes down because it should be less energy used in total since\nthat is used efficiency. Electricity used is dirty.\nThe concern is still there.\nOur analysis shows that using\ntoday's mix even when pacific power homes some of the\nequipment including high efficiency equipment over the\nlife cycle of the equipment\nwould still have like a higher\ncarbon impact using high\nefficiency heat pump at today's\ngrid mix compared to gas. Grid mix still matters with high\nefficiency.\nIt matters a lot with low efficiency.\nFrom a cost perspective and grid perspective.\nanything to add to that?\nshe did great job.\nother ideas or information\nthat folks want us to know?\nI would like to support the pilot programs.\nNot only with all electric and\nall gas, but adding possibly a\nthird which is a hybrid home whatever that MAY be, not just\none or the other. Different ways of doing that.\nWhen you touched on the efficiencies, when you talk\nabout all electric home, most affordable housing currently\nthat I see being produced out\nthere is using the most horrible electric appliances.\nThat is something we need to\nlook at. >> great.\nOther thoughts on this part of\nthe discussion? >> question about the pilot idea.\nIn addition to why not look retroactively?\nIf you have gone to the\nneighbor's house and felt it is too cold or too hot compared to your house.\nYou know the baseline of what\nyou set the thermostat to makes\na difference if home are same\nand right next to each other.\nPuzzled why it would be so important two houses next to\neach other.\nHow do we control for thermostat size?\nwe hope to have enough scale\nto take average to calculate for energy use.\nThat is a big piece of that if\nwe want to study grid and\nutility rates we track usage\ndata which we need help from utility friends at the end of\nthe room to do. At big enough scale we could\naverage that out.\nOne more piece. That came up in our conversations with members.\nIf the fees associated with individual piece of equipment.\nIf council or city wanted to see\nthat hybrid approach we are happy to do that.\nIf someone wanted to pay for gas fireplace upgrade we could do\nhome or two for that.\nWe are flexible and appreciate\nfeedback from the city. >> robin. >> ecc does not support pilot.\nWe don't think waiting three\nyears to have that pilot is good\nuse of time. With in that three years will be\nthousands of homes that will not be potentially all electric\nbecause of that.\nWe think it is part of a delay tactic.\nWe want to implement the policy\none year after passed.\nDevelopers are used to having a new code one year after it is\npassed they will have that one\nyear in order to implement this\nnew policy.\nbrennan. >> similar vein to robin.\n80% of housing stock in next 20 years we kicked bucket two or\nfour years that is 20% of the housing stock city has done\nnothing to push development towards all electric.\nI think the city has relative\nlehigh confidence this is the\nclimate solution we need in our\nclimate action plan strategy es2a.\nDevelop policies to limit fossil\nfuel use in new construction.\nWe\nyou said before you were okay\nbuilding sunsets or check ins. What does that look like to you?\nWhat are your ideas? >> staying in step with building\ncodes. Every three years.%\nat end of two years city is done\ncollecting data the last year so\nbuilding codes is 2027. By 2029 city is done collecting\ndata and can look back.\nHow many people paid the fee,\ndid it impact housing production rate?\nLook at that and make it into\neffect with next building codes update 2030.\nI want to ask brandt.\nI heard from allen and elisa on timeline. Do you have thoughts on\nimplementation timeline.\nnot specific timeline.\nthank you.\nquestion for cassie.\nThe pilot and thousands of homes.\nWhat were the assumptions that\nwere made about people going to\n-- what percentage new homes\nbuilt would comply with the fee entirely or would comply with\nsome of it?\nTrying to remember what the\ncalculation made or assumption?\nHow many people would pay fee at\n20% level and how many would\nforget it and go all electric.\nI have our consultant on the line right now.\nIf you are listening daniel I\nwill ask if you have that data handy.\nat 20% we expect 25% of homes\nbuilt to go electric. >> thank you.\nquick follow up on that.\nwhen you made that calculation and assumption were\nyou aware of the building code\nchange that councilor platt just\nasked about if you put\nair-conditioning in the house it has to be heat pump and not\nstand alone air conditioner and\nhow that influences how many\npeople decide to go all electric because of the building code?\nwe are basing this off\nwillingness to adopt studies on electrification take don't\nconsider mandatory building code\nthat would be something else to take into consideration.\nfinal thoughts on implementation?\nAllen then garrett.\none thing I like about the multiyear pilot.\nIn addition to testing to make\nsure carbon reductions are\nachieved, affordability aspect. Is the resource adequacy.\nThat is so essential.\nAllowing a few winters to pass,\nlooking at winter peak demand\nand impacts to the end user, to\nthe homeowner, electric home,\ngas home, hybrid home and compare if there are peak events\nthat take place, I think that is crucial especially since as we\nsaid before we are a winter peaking region. >> garrett.\nwhy letting the pilot play out would be helpful.\nI talked in builders in washington as well.\nThere were supply change\nchallenges with appliance and\nequipment providers. Giving runway for the market to\nget that as well.\nTo sarah's point the layered\ncost will impact builders.\nif this wases to go in we do\na recommended date. Is the recommendation for you\nall with the timeline and runway?\nas much runway as possible. 2028.\nany other thoughts?\ncascade would like to request\nthat MAY be the study reincorporate future assumptions\nof the electric supply costs.\nWe have heard both central\nelectric cooperative and pacific power have new information.\nA lot of discussion on affordability as upfront cost.\nHow about ongoing cost for residents here.\nMore dollars spent on utility cost the more it will take away\nfrom dollars available for\neconomy in the city of bend be. >> the city\ncity of bend. >> has staff thought about\nrecommendation of 2028 or mid\n2027, would staff be interested\nin doing check ins or how often would staff look at data to\nupdate the fee as it goes forward.\nany policy like this good\nidea to have periodic check ins to scan for any issues.\none, check in I would recommend\nis regardless of whether 2027 or\n2028 or later is at certain period, one month before or\nthree months before check in to\nrecalibrate the fee calculation.\nWe need that information to make the calculation work.\nI would definitely recommend that.\nThe cycle after that I think I\ndon't have a specific recommendation right now.\nI can think about that for the 22nd.\nIt is a discussion with council.\nBalancing the effort to have\nenough time to have meaningful\ndata where you are not reviewing\ntoo soon so the data does not have variation with being responsive.\nEvery couple years, I would\nthink. >> okay.\nWe have gotten a lot of good information from everyone.\nI appreciate everyone here\nsharing with us. We have heard different\nperspective around urgency and\nwhy delay might be desirable. I appreciate that.\nI was going to ask eric taking notes and I have been taking\nnotes as well.\nDoes this reflect the top level things we will bring into the\nwork session and we will close it out.\nI don't want to go through\neach group said this.\nGeneral themes of other ideas. Housing mix.\n120 ami expanding on that.\nInput from utilities in terms of\ncalibrates with the metrics. >> we had a mix of support\nversus not support for dual fuel heat pumps and renewable natural gas.\nThat is something to look for\ndirection on those different\nthings you have heard.\nI heard a lot about pilot\nprogram, wanting to try policy,\nget it going sooner.\nOn the exemptions some sort of\ntalking about affordable housing\nhow we are going to exempt that potentially.\nCassie what you said is right.\nMissed opinions on dual fuel and\nrng and reductions or putting\nthings into calculation versus exemptions.\nThose were all things we captured.\nAround solar as well discussion\nof that, too. We will bring all of that to\ncouncil.\nI want to level set that staff is going to bring to council.\nSome ideas are more intensive or might take more looking into\nthan others. Deed restricted affordable\nhousing is clear and straightforward.\nPilot program, megawatts solar are more involved.\nWe will ask staff to tell us\nwhich of these could we do on the time line we want now pass\nthis in JUNE and which might not\nbe ready or available for fully\nflushed ideas. We will discuss with council\nwhat to do with that information and how to proceed.\nReally good ideas to bring to\nthe table for our discussion on\nthe 22nd. Any other final thoughts from\ncouncil?\nI took a lot of notes.\nThank you for your perspectives and your guidance.\nappreciate everybody being here.\nBeing respectful and having a good back and forth.\nif something comes to you that didn't come to your mind\ntoday at the table send it to\ncassie, make sure she gets that\nif you had a good thought.\nWe still want to hear it or you are debriefing over coffee and\nthey give you an idea, send it\nto us so we can think about\nthat. Perfectly on time.\nGood job. Thank you. 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How this will work.", "startTime": "00:04:33,710", "endTime": "00:04:35,778" }, { "index": 38, "text": "This is a round table discussion.", "startTime": "00:04:36,346", "endTime": "00:04:37,646" }, { "index": 39, "text": "This is to bring different stakeholders to the table to", "startTime": "00:04:40,517", "endTime": "00:04:42,785" }, { "index": 40, "text": "listen to presentations and get", "startTime": "00:04:43,186", "endTime": "00:04:45,186" }, { "index": 41, "text": "your feedback and ideas.", "startTime": "00:04:45,322", "endTime": "00:04:47,322" }, { "index": 42, "text": "For council this is a listening mode mostly today.", "startTime": "00:04:51,361", "endTime": "00:04:52,762" }, { "index": 43, "text": "If we have clarifying or", "startTime": "00:04:54,597", "endTime": "00:04:56,597" }, { "index": 44, "text": "informational questions jump in. We want to hear from the folks", "startTime": "00:04:56,633", "endTime": "00:04:58,702" }, { "index": 45, "text": "at the table.", "startTime": "00:04:58,702", "endTime": "00:05:00,702" }, { "index": 46, "text": "We have an opportunity for utility providers to share", "startTime": "00:05:01,438", "endTime": "00:05:03,500" }, { "index": 47, "text": "information with us so they have presentations.", "startTime": "00:05:04,374", "endTime": "00:05:06,750" }, { "index": 48, "text": "They will have unput on the two", "startTime": "00:05:07,110", "endTime": "00:05:09,110" }, { "index": 49, "text": "questions we are talking about today.", "startTime": "00:05:09,746", "endTime": "00:05:10,947" }, { "index": 50, "text": "Those are input on exemptions to the fee and implementation", "startTime": "00:05:13,216", "endTime": "00:05:16,118" }, { "index": 51, "text": "timeline and approach.", "startTime": "00:05:16,420", "endTime": "00:05:18,420" }, { "index": 52, "text": "We will have the presentations first.", "startTime": "00:05:19,590", "endTime": "00:05:21,224" }, { "index": 53, "text": "Each utility provider will give the presentation and hold", "startTime": "00:05:22,326", "endTime": "00:05:25,294" }, { "index": 54, "text": "questions until the end. We will take questions focusing", "startTime": "00:05:25,696", "endTime": "00:05:28,640" }, { "index": 55, "text": "on information and clarity from utility providers.", "startTime": "00:05:30,467", "endTime": "00:05:32,869" }, { "index": 56, "text": "We will get into the individual", "startTime": "00:05:36,390", "endTime": "00:05:38,390" }, { "index": 57, "text": "stakeholders your ideas and thoughts on these topics.", "startTime": "00:05:38,108", "endTime": "00:05:40,743" }, { "index": 58, "text": "We will discuss that after the presentations are done.", "startTime": "00:05:41,578", "endTime": "00:05:44,470" }, { "index": 59, "text": "There are a lot of us.", "startTime": "00:05:44,348", "endTime": "00:05:46,348" }, { "index": 60, "text": "If you want to respond or ask a question or give input please", "startTime": "00:05:47,952", "endTime": "00:05:50,920" }, { "index": 61, "text": "stand up your card so I can see you.", "startTime": "00:05:51,889", "endTime": "00:05:53,456" }, { "index": 62, "text": "I will make sure we get to everybody.", "startTime": "00:05:55,590", "endTime": "00:05:56,526" }, { "index": 63, "text": "I will call on folks if we need to draw that information out.", "startTime": "00:05:58,896", "endTime": "00:06:01,297" }, { "index": 64, "text": "Not a time council will deliberate or decide anything today.", "startTime": "00:06:02,499", "endTime": "00:06:05,135" }, { "index": 65, "text": "We are gathering information to feed into a work session on APRIL 22.", "startTime": "00:06:07,371", "endTime": "00:06:10,306" }, { "index": 66, "text": "Council will have time to deliberate, make decisions about", "startTime": "00:06:11,509", "endTime": "00:06:13,476" }, { "index": 67, "text": "the future of this policy.", "startTime": "00:06:13,677", "endTime": "00:06:15,677" }, { "index": 68, "text": "A lot of it is based on information we are given today.", "startTime": "00:06:15,946", "endTime": "00:06:17,914" }, { "index": 69, "text": "That is what we are doing today.", "startTime": "00:06:20,718", "endTime": "00:06:22,718" }, { "index": 70, "text": "I will throw it back to cassie for background how we got here", "startTime": "00:06:23,454", "endTime": "00:06:25,922" }, { "index": 71, "text": "and then presentations from utilities.", "startTime": "00:06:27,192", "endTime": "00:06:29,826" }, { "index": 72, "text": "thank you. Information I will share is", "startTime": "00:06:31,950", "endTime": "00:06:33,396" }, { "index": 73, "text": "background information.", "startTime": "00:06:33,397", "endTime": "00:06:35,397" }, { "index": 74, "text": "Essentially information that I shared in memo last week.", "startTime": "00:06:37,134", "endTime": "00:06:39,569" }, { "index": 75, "text": "I will be brief so we can move to discussion. Background.", "startTime": "00:06:39,670", "endTime": "00:06:42,272" }, { "index": 76, "text": "City has been working on broader program to encourage", "startTime": "00:06:44,476", "endTime": "00:06:46,376" }, { "index": 77, "text": "electrification of buildings in", "startTime": "00:06:47,445", "endTime": "00:06:49,445" }, { "index": 78, "text": "bend to achieve climate action", "startTime": "00:06:50,715", "endTime": "00:06:52,715" }, { "index": 79, "text": "goals over last year and-a-half. Climate fee today we have been", "startTime": "00:06:53,784", "endTime": "00:06:56,520" }, { "index": 80, "text": "focusing on for the last few", "startTime": "00:06:57,540", "endTime": "00:06:59,540" }, { "index": 81, "text": "months is part of the", "startTime": "00:06:59,157", "endTime": "00:07:01,157" }, { "index": 82, "text": "disincentive and incentive", "startTime": "00:07:01,659", "endTime": "00:07:03,659" }, { "index": 83, "text": "component of rural work plan.", "startTime": "00:07:04,162", "endTime": "00:07:06,162" }, { "index": 84, "text": "We will create incentives using", "startTime": "00:07:08,866", "endTime": "00:07:10,866" }, { "index": 85, "text": "to encourage the electrification", "startTime": "00:07:11,636", "endTime": "00:07:13,636" }, { "index": 86, "text": "using proceeds of fee and", "startTime": "00:07:13,905", "endTime": "00:07:15,905" }, { "index": 87, "text": "exploring additional monetary incentives.", "startTime": "00:07:17,308", "endTime": "00:07:19,276" }, { "index": 88, "text": "The city is expanding more robust program to share", "startTime": "00:07:24,749", "endTime": "00:07:27,151" }, { "index": 89, "text": "information about electrifying", "startTime": "00:07:28,653", "endTime": "00:07:30,653" }, { "index": 90, "text": "buildings or upcoming work a", "startTime": "00:07:32,490", "endTime": "00:07:34,490" }, { "index": 91, "text": "workshop series is coming up APRIL 29.", "startTime": "00:07:35,660", "endTime": "00:07:37,928" }, { "index": 92, "text": "We have consequent ones for the next three months.", "startTime": "00:07:37,962", "endTime": "00:07:40,697" }, { "index": 93, "text": "In the last part of the plan", "startTime": "00:07:44,302", "endTime": "00:07:46,302" }, { "index": 94, "text": "monitoring landscape for policy", "startTime": "00:07:46,771", "endTime": "00:07:48,771" }, { "index": 95, "text": "levers for reducing gas use as", "startTime": "00:07:48,840", "endTime": "00:07:50,840" }, { "index": 96, "text": "well in the future. background.", "startTime": "00:07:51,443", "endTime": "00:07:53,430" }, { "index": 97, "text": "Key steps so far.", "startTime": "00:07:53,778", "endTime": "00:07:55,778" }, { "index": 98, "text": "Policy development process.", "startTime": "00:07:56,381", "endTime": "00:07:58,381" }, { "index": 99, "text": "Council direction to pursue fee incentive program in APRIL last year.", "startTime": "00:07:58,416", "endTime": "00:08:00,951" }, { "index": 100, "text": "Work sessions with the council", "startTime": "00:08:03,188", "endTime": "00:08:05,188" }, { "index": 101, "text": "in AUGUST, OCTOBER and DECEMBER focusing on potential fee,", "startTime": "00:08:05,857", "endTime": "00:08:08,492" }, { "index": 102, "text": "analysis on costs impacts of", "startTime": "00:08:10,762", "endTime": "00:08:12,762" }, { "index": 103, "text": "electrifying homes.", "startTime": "00:08:13,532", "endTime": "00:08:15,532" }, { "index": 104, "text": "Engagement options for incentives and fees.", "startTime": "00:08:15,934", "endTime": "00:08:18,136" }, { "index": 105, "text": "In DECEMBER and FEBRUARY we shared calculation and approach", "startTime": "00:08:18,904", "endTime": "00:08:21,639" }, { "index": 106, "text": "to fee design. FEBRUARY council gave staff", "startTime": "00:08:22,407", "endTime": "00:08:25,242" }, { "index": 107, "text": "direction to pursue fee as proposed.", "startTime": "00:08:26,111", "endTime": "00:08:27,645" }, { "index": 108, "text": "They set fee level at reduced rate which we will talk about in", "startTime": "00:08:31,490", "endTime": "00:08:33,318" }, { "index": 109, "text": "a minute.", "startTime": "00:08:33,318", "endTime": "00:08:35,318" }, { "index": 110, "text": "At that meeting they directed", "startTime": "00:08:35,621", "endTime": "00:08:37,621" }, { "index": 111, "text": "staff to convene this roundtable", "startTime": "00:08:38,790", "endTime": "00:08:40,790" }, { "index": 112, "text": "to focus on fee exemptions and timeline for file major policy", "startTime": "00:08:42,627", "endTime": "00:08:44,662" }, { "index": 113, "text": "decisions we need council to", "startTime": "00:08:44,963", "endTime": "00:08:46,963" }, { "index": 114, "text": "give direction on to get the fee policy complete.", "startTime": "00:08:47,265", "endTime": "00:08:49,467" }, { "index": 115, "text": "I will share a quick overview of", "startTime": "00:08:51,570", "endTime": "00:08:53,570" }, { "index": 116, "text": "the proposed fee structure.", "startTime": "00:08:55,140", "endTime": "00:08:57,140" }, { "index": 117, "text": "Social cost of carbon multiplied", "startTime": "00:08:58,877", "endTime": "00:09:00,877" }, { "index": 118, "text": "by net lifetime by gas appliance", "startTime": "00:09:05,651", "endTime": "00:09:07,651" }, { "index": 119, "text": "correlated to said of house.", "startTime": "00:09:09,855", "endTime": "00:09:11,855" }, { "index": 120, "text": "Damages from carbon dioxide.", "startTime": "00:09:13,326", "endTime": "00:09:15,326" }, { "index": 121, "text": "It takes into account the amount", "startTime": "00:09:16,595", "endTime": "00:09:18,595" }, { "index": 122, "text": "of carbon gas appliance produces", "startTime": "00:09:19,464", "endTime": "00:09:21,464" }, { "index": 123, "text": "over lifetime of apappliance", "startTime": "00:09:23,702", "endTime": "00:09:25,702" }, { "index": 124, "text": "minus carbon alternative electric appliance would emit", "startTime": "00:09:27,773", "endTime": "00:09:30,642" }, { "index": 125, "text": "that is the net carbon impact of gas appliance.", "startTime": "00:09:34,130", "endTime": "00:09:35,780" }, { "index": 126, "text": "Tier is multiplier to acts for lower or higher energy use", "startTime": "00:09:37,850", "endTime": "00:09:40,819" }, { "index": 127, "text": "carbon emissions from smaller or larger houses.", "startTime": "00:09:42,354", "endTime": "00:09:44,656" }, { "index": 128, "text": "We established three tiers.", "startTime": "00:09:49,595", "endTime": "00:09:51,595" }, { "index": 129, "text": "Lowest is homes 1600 square feet", "startTime": "00:09:52,665", "endTime": "00:09:54,665" }, { "index": 130, "text": "or less.", "startTime": "00:09:55,134", "endTime": "00:09:57,134" }, { "index": 131, "text": "That is 65% tier factor.", "startTime": "00:10:00,840", "endTime": "00:10:02,840" }, { "index": 132, "text": "1600 or 3,000 is average.", "startTime": "00:10:04,110", "endTime": "00:10:06,110" }, { "index": 133, "text": "That is 100%.", "startTime": "00:10:06,412", "endTime": "00:10:08,412" }, { "index": 134, "text": "This doesn't get adjusted. Greater than thousand square", "startTime": "00:10:12,351", "endTime": "00:10:14,619" }, { "index": 135, "text": "feet they are 150%. One additional adjustment to base line fee.", "startTime": "00:10:17,423", "endTime": "00:10:20,240" }, { "index": 136, "text": "What council directed in", "startTime": "00:10:23,129", "endTime": "00:10:25,129" }, { "index": 137, "text": "FEBRUARY to adjust to 20% of calculated value.", "startTime": "00:10:25,898", "endTime": "00:10:27,999" }, { "index": 138, "text": "This wases to minimize", "startTime": "00:10:29,836", "endTime": "00:10:31,836" }, { "index": 139, "text": "additional cost impact of fee on new construction recognizing we", "startTime": "00:10:32,572", "endTime": "00:10:34,773" }, { "index": 140, "text": "want to continue supporting housing goals and help meet city", "startTime": "00:10:37,710", "endTime": "00:10:40,245" }, { "index": 141, "text": "climate goals as well. This final slide is table of", "startTime": "00:10:41,914", "endTime": "00:10:44,820" }, { "index": 142, "text": "what would become the fee schedule.", "startTime": "00:10:44,917", "endTime": "00:10:46,351" }, { "index": 143, "text": "Fee is established per appliance.", "startTime": "00:10:48,554", "endTime": "00:10:49,922" }, { "index": 144, "text": "Each piece of equipment has", "startTime": "00:10:50,623", "endTime": "00:10:52,623" }, { "index": 145, "text": "dollar value varying over the three tiers based on the tier", "startTime": "00:10:53,493", "endTime": "00:10:55,695" }, { "index": 146, "text": "factor.", "startTime": "00:10:55,695", "endTime": "00:10:57,695" }, { "index": 147, "text": "New home being built these are the amounts that would have to", "startTime": "00:10:57,797", "endTime": "00:11:00,232" }, { "index": 148, "text": "be paid for each of the pieces", "startTime": "00:11:02,680", "endTime": "00:11:04,680" }, { "index": 149, "text": "of equipment.", "startTime": "00:11:04,137", "endTime": "00:11:06,137" }, { "index": 150, "text": "For single house add together to get total fee based on what the", "startTime": "00:11:06,873", "endTime": "00:11:09,741" }, { "index": 151, "text": "present in the house.", "startTime": "00:11:09,809", "endTime": "00:11:11,809" }, { "index": 152, "text": "From this table you can see an average size home all gas", "startTime": "00:11:11,911", "endTime": "00:11:14,880" }, { "index": 153, "text": "equipment total fee would be over $2,000.", "startTime": "00:11:16,916", "endTime": "00:11:19,510" }, { "index": 154, "text": "Amounts correlated to relative", "startTime": "00:11:19,919", "endTime": "00:11:21,919" }, { "index": 155, "text": "energy use of equipment that is why gas furnaces are majority of", "startTime": "00:11:23,690", "endTime": "00:11:26,258" }, { "index": 156, "text": "fee by quite a bit.", "startTime": "00:11:26,359", "endTime": "00:11:28,359" }, { "index": 157, "text": "That is summary of fee overview.", "startTime": "00:11:28,762", "endTime": "00:11:30,762" }, { "index": 158, "text": "I will now passover to utility", "startTime": "00:11:32,432", "endTime": "00:11:34,432" }, { "index": 159, "text": "presenter to hear from pacific", "startTime": "00:11:34,734", "endTime": "00:11:36,734" }, { "index": 160, "text": "power then cec and then cascade", "startTime": "00:11:39,239", "endTime": "00:11:41,239" }, { "index": 161, "text": "natural gas.", "startTime": "00:11:41,741", "endTime": "00:11:43,741" }, { "index": 162, "text": "I am alisa dunlap.", "startTime": "00:11:46,580", "endTime": "00:11:48,580" }, { "index": 163, "text": "I will wait until she pulls up the slides.", "startTime": "00:11:50,851", "endTime": "00:11:52,184" }, { "index": 164, "text": "I spoke with council a couple", "startTime": "00:11:53,153", "endTime": "00:11:55,153" }, { "index": 165, "text": "months ago.", "startTime": "00:11:55,155", "endTime": "00:11:57,155" }, { "index": 166, "text": "my presentation will be briefer. That doesn't mean the rest of", "startTime": "00:11:57,524", "endTime": "00:12:00,590" }, { "index": 167, "text": "you shouldn't ask me questions.", "startTime": "00:12:00,600", "endTime": "00:12:02,600" }, { "index": 168, "text": "Feel free to ask detailed questions as we get into the", "startTime": "00:12:03,697", "endTime": "00:12:06,132" }, { "index": 169, "text": "roundtable discussion.", "startTime": "00:12:07,734", "endTime": "00:12:09,734" }, { "index": 170, "text": "Overview of pacific power.", "startTime": "00:12:10,304", "endTime": "00:12:12,304" }, { "index": 171, "text": "We serve 600,000 customers across oregon.", "startTime": "00:12:13,473", "endTime": "00:12:15,908" }, { "index": 172, "text": "Primarily rural utility.", "startTime": "00:12:16,642", "endTime": "00:12:18,642" }, { "index": 173, "text": "We have service territory, very small portion of portlands and", "startTime": "00:12:20,347", "endTime": "00:12:23,315" }, { "index": 174, "text": "then here in central oregon as", "startTime": "00:12:24,417", "endTime": "00:12:26,417" }, { "index": 175, "text": "well as out on the coast. Breaking it down to", "startTime": "00:12:29,756", "endTime": "00:12:32,291" }, { "index": 176, "text": "infrastructure that serves city", "startTime": "00:12:32,926", "endTime": "00:12:34,926" }, { "index": 177, "text": "of bend.", "startTime": "00:12:35,162", "endTime": "00:12:37,162" }, { "index": 178, "text": "We have seven existing substations.", "startTime": "00:12:37,765", "endTime": "00:12:39,966" }, { "index": 179, "text": "It is where high voltage power", "startTime": "00:12:44,738", "endTime": "00:12:46,738" }, { "index": 180, "text": "comes in to be stopped down to voltages to serve the homes", "startTime": "00:12:48,876", "endTime": "00:12:51,678" }, { "index": 181, "text": "abbusinesses.", "startTime": "00:12:51,779", "endTime": "00:12:53,779" }, { "index": 182, "text": "There are seven substations.", "startTime": "00:12:53,948", "endTime": "00:12:55,948" }, { "index": 183, "text": "Five are planned or have been upgraded in the last two to", "startTime": "00:12:57,551", "endTime": "00:13:00,187" }, { "index": 184, "text": "three years. Two more are plan understand the", "startTime": "00:13:00,187", "endTime": "00:13:03,155" }, { "index": 185, "text": "next two years to be upgraded.", "startTime": "00:13:08,296", "endTime": "00:13:10,296" }, { "index": 186, "text": "We submitted plans for", "startTime": "00:13:11,131", "endTime": "00:13:13,131" }, { "index": 187, "text": "additional substation in southeast bend within the next five years.", "startTime": "00:13:13,133", "endTime": "00:13:15,502" }, { "index": 188, "text": "Why do I tell about infrastructure?", "startTime": "00:13:16,604", "endTime": "00:13:18,710" }, { "index": 189, "text": "Here is what is existing.", "startTime": "00:13:19,773", "endTime": "00:13:21,773" }, { "index": 190, "text": "What is existing is tapped out.", "startTime": "00:13:22,509", "endTime": "00:13:24,509" }, { "index": 191, "text": "We are actively trying to keep up with growth and vitality of", "startTime": "00:13:25,579", "endTime": "00:13:28,148" }, { "index": 192, "text": "the region much like the city is", "startTime": "00:13:29,917", "endTime": "00:13:31,917" }, { "index": 193, "text": "building roads and sewer to expand serve growing needs of the community.", "startTime": "00:13:33,354", "endTime": "00:13:36,560" }, { "index": 194, "text": "We are trying to expand the grid", "startTime": "00:13:38,260", "endTime": "00:13:40,260" }, { "index": 195, "text": "to support the growth.", "startTime": "00:13:40,427", "endTime": "00:13:42,427" }, { "index": 196, "text": "Here are details on what growth", "startTime": "00:13:43,164", "endTime": "00:13:45,164" }, { "index": 197, "text": "looks like in bend. This growth chart council saw", "startTime": "00:13:46,934", "endTime": "00:13:48,668" }, { "index": 198, "text": "before, but this represents 3% growth rate expansion", "startTime": "00:13:51,506", "endTime": "00:13:54,750" }, { "index": 199, "text": "year-over-year.", "startTime": "00:13:54,750", "endTime": "00:13:56,750" }, { "index": 200, "text": "The reason the line at the bottom does not start at the", "startTime": "00:13:56,644", "endTime": "00:13:58,345" }, { "index": 201, "text": "same spot is because the", "startTime": "00:13:59,647", "endTime": "00:14:01,647" }, { "index": 202, "text": "baseline of where we sit for eye", "startTime": "00:14:03,151", "endTime": "00:14:05,151" }, { "index": 203, "text": "electrical capacity and load has", "startTime": "00:14:06,587", "endTime": "00:14:08,587" }, { "index": 204, "text": "grown year-over-year and it is getting high here is and higher.", "startTime": "00:14:08,589", "endTime": "00:14:11,158" }, { "index": 205, "text": "Bend is second highest growth.", "startTime": "00:14:15,630", "endTime": "00:14:17,630" }, { "index": 206, "text": "Behind redmond. Bend 3%.", "startTime": "00:14:19,700", "endTime": "00:14:21,401" }, { "index": 207, "text": "Redmond 4.3%. Portland is far behind the", "startTime": "00:14:23,171", "endTime": "00:14:25,172" }, { "index": 208, "text": "growth of central oregon.", "startTime": "00:14:27,508", "endTime": "00:14:29,508" }, { "index": 209, "text": "This is our compliance chart.", "startTime": "00:14:30,345", "endTime": "00:14:32,345" }, { "index": 210, "text": "You have seen this before. Hb2021 I will give overview.", "startTime": "00:14:32,981", "endTime": "00:14:35,849" }, { "index": 211, "text": "I am sure my colleagues will speak to this regulation.", "startTime": "00:14:37,352", "endTime": "00:14:39,686" }, { "index": 212, "text": "State law passed in 2021.", "startTime": "00:14:41,723", "endTime": "00:14:43,723" }, { "index": 213, "text": "It requires investor owned", "startTime": "00:14:48,730", "endTime": "00:14:50,730" }, { "index": 214, "text": "utilities to meet targets. 80% baseline by 2030.", "startTime": "00:14:52,567", "endTime": "00:14:55,102" }, { "index": 215, "text": "This is projection of emissions reductions.", "startTime": "00:14:57,806", "endTime": "00:14:59,206" }, { "index": 216, "text": "We are in active rfp for renewable resources for oregon.", "startTime": "00:15:01,409", "endTime": "00:15:03,944" }, { "index": 217, "text": "I have good news to report on that front.", "startTime": "00:15:04,812", "endTime": "00:15:06,680" }, { "index": 218, "text": "I thought I wouldn't be able to provide updates until the end of", "startTime": "00:15:07,983", "endTime": "00:15:10,485" }, { "index": 219, "text": "the year.", "startTime": "00:15:10,485", "endTime": "00:15:12,485" }, { "index": 220, "text": "We will have preliminary results available this summer.", "startTime": "00:15:12,921", "endTime": "00:15:14,388" }, { "index": 221, "text": "Something I committed to city staff and council to provide", "startTime": "00:15:15,657", "endTime": "00:15:18,492" }, { "index": 222, "text": "updates because this is sort of key piece of how you are going", "startTime": "00:15:19,794", "endTime": "00:15:22,329" }, { "index": 223, "text": "about making these policy decisions.", "startTime": "00:15:24,990", "endTime": "00:15:25,599" }, { "index": 224, "text": "As soon as I have preliminary results available I will share", "startTime": "00:15:27,200", "endTime": "00:15:29,300" }, { "index": 225, "text": "those with council.", "startTime": "00:15:29,204", "endTime": "00:15:31,204" }, { "index": 226, "text": "This will be the first rfp for", "startTime": "00:15:32,908", "endTime": "00:15:34,908" }, { "index": 227, "text": "renewable resources since the", "startTime": "00:15:35,900", "endTime": "00:15:37,900" }, { "index": 228, "text": "changes to federal production tax credits.", "startTime": "00:15:37,846", "endTime": "00:15:40,470" }, { "index": 229, "text": "I would be remiss if I did not say in from structure is needed", "startTime": "00:15:46,210", "endTime": "00:15:47,855" }, { "index": 230, "text": "to bring infrastructure to the region.", "startTime": "00:15:50,250", "endTime": "00:15:51,959" }, { "index": 231, "text": "Transmission lines and those take years to build.", "startTime": "00:15:52,861", "endTime": "00:15:55,396" }, { "index": 232, "text": "We are kind of working in all of these phases concurrently trying", "startTime": "00:15:57,466", "endTime": "00:16:00,301" }, { "index": 233, "text": "to meet the target that are", "startTime": "00:16:01,370", "endTime": "00:16:03,370" }, { "index": 234, "text": "currently set in oregon law.", "startTime": "00:16:07,308", "endTime": "00:16:09,308" }, { "index": 235, "text": "Lastly, things to consider.", "startTime": "00:16:10,145", "endTime": "00:16:12,145" }, { "index": 236, "text": "Infrastructure as the community continues to grow.", "startTime": "00:16:13,782", "endTime": "00:16:15,850" }, { "index": 237, "text": "Where will additional substations go as we need them", "startTime": "00:16:17,453", "endTime": "00:16:19,821" }, { "index": 238, "text": "or other utilities need them?", "startTime": "00:16:21,230", "endTime": "00:16:23,230" }, { "index": 239, "text": "I put in here just a land calculation so we need three to", "startTime": "00:16:24,193", "endTime": "00:16:26,594" }, { "index": 240, "text": "five acres for a substation.", "startTime": "00:16:28,300", "endTime": "00:16:30,300" }, { "index": 241, "text": "We are going to need city", "startTime": "00:16:30,199", "endTime": "00:16:32,199" }, { "index": 242, "text": "support on finding places to put the infrastructure.", "startTime": "00:16:33,235", "endTime": "00:16:35,470" }, { "index": 243, "text": "I will say electrical infrastructure is not most", "startTime": "00:16:37,539", "endTime": "00:16:39,942" }, { "index": 244, "text": "exciting.", "startTime": "00:16:39,942", "endTime": "00:16:41,942" }, { "index": 245, "text": "It comes with controversy. As we build out to support", "startTime": "00:16:43,780", "endTime": "00:16:45,213" }, { "index": 246, "text": "community we need support of the", "startTime": "00:16:46,480", "endTime": "00:16:48,480" }, { "index": 247, "text": "city. Existing load growth trend.", "startTime": "00:16:48,584", "endTime": "00:16:50,718" }, { "index": 248, "text": "This is highest growing region.", "startTime": "00:16:51,887", "endTime": "00:16:53,887" }, { "index": 249, "text": "Bend is behind redmond as second highest community.", "startTime": "00:16:55,491", "endTime": "00:16:57,692" }, { "index": 250, "text": "We have a large interconnectionqued for new users.", "startTime": "00:17:00,329", "endTime": "00:17:02,330" }, { "index": 251, "text": "A lot of projects in the pipeline.", "startTime": "00:17:03,499", "endTime": "00:17:04,966" }, { "index": 252, "text": "That is all going to be strained as we move forward.", "startTime": "00:17:06,969", "endTime": "00:17:09,437" }, { "index": 253, "text": "That pushes the need for additional infrastructure to be", "startTime": "00:17:10,172", "endTime": "00:17:12,907" }, { "index": 254, "text": "built and support for that.", "startTime": "00:17:14,644", "endTime": "00:17:16,644" }, { "index": 255, "text": "Lastly, on compliance. Hb2021.", "startTime": "00:17:18,814", "endTime": "00:17:20,480" }, { "index": 256, "text": "The reason that rfp is so", "startTime": "00:17:21,651", "endTime": "00:17:23,651" }, { "index": 257, "text": "important to give us market costs what renewable energy is", "startTime": "00:17:24,487", "endTime": "00:17:27,356" }, { "index": 258, "text": "going to cost.", "startTime": "00:17:27,990", "endTime": "00:17:29,990" }, { "index": 259, "text": "Within hb2021 there is affordability cost off-ramp.", "startTime": "00:17:32,194", "endTime": "00:17:33,862" }, { "index": 260, "text": "Meaning if the costs are", "startTime": "00:17:34,563", "endTime": "00:17:36,563" }, { "index": 261, "text": "determined to be too high for", "startTime": "00:17:37,200", "endTime": "00:17:39,200" }, { "index": 262, "text": "customers, utilities are able to", "startTime": "00:17:40,269", "endTime": "00:17:42,269" }, { "index": 263, "text": "push outcome appliance dates to preserve affordability for", "startTime": "00:17:43,439", "endTime": "00:17:45,541" }, { "index": 264, "text": "customers.", "startTime": "00:17:45,541", "endTime": "00:17:47,541" }, { "index": 265, "text": "That is something that is unknown at the moment.", "startTime": "00:17:47,576", "endTime": "00:17:49,611" }, { "index": 266, "text": "I think I would be remiss if I", "startTime": "00:17:51,800", "endTime": "00:17:53,800" }, { "index": 267, "text": "didn't say there is discussion", "startTime": "00:17:53,182", "endTime": "00:17:55,182" }, { "index": 268, "text": "about the oregon legislature in", "startTime": "00:17:56,886", "endTime": "00:17:58,886" }, { "index": 269, "text": "2027 potentially pivoting to", "startTime": "00:18:00,290", "endTime": "00:18:02,290" }, { "index": 270, "text": "different emissions reductions models or regulations.", "startTime": "00:18:04,930", "endTime": "00:18:06,940" }, { "index": 271, "text": "If that does change we will certainly continue to engage", "startTime": "00:18:07,630", "endTime": "00:18:09,264" }, { "index": 272, "text": "with city staff on what compliance with whatever the new", "startTime": "00:18:10,466", "endTime": "00:18:13,302" }, { "index": 273, "text": "thing is or if we are on the current path we will continue to", "startTime": "00:18:14,938", "endTime": "00:18:17,139" }, { "index": 274, "text": "engage with the community.", "startTime": "00:18:19,309", "endTime": "00:18:21,309" }, { "index": 275, "text": "With that I am finished with my presentation.", "startTime": "00:18:22,378", "endTime": "00:18:23,712" }, { "index": 276, "text": "thank you. Is there anyone with a question", "startTime": "00:18:24,681", "endTime": "00:18:26,615" }, { "index": 277, "text": "at this point about that information she presented?", "startTime": "00:18:26,749", "endTime": "00:18:29,184" }, { "index": 278, "text": "I have a question.", "startTime": "00:18:32,322", "endTime": "00:18:34,322" }, { "index": 279, "text": "You talked about affordability off-ramp.", "startTime": "00:18:35,425", "endTime": "00:18:36,692" }, { "index": 280, "text": "It is widely publicized", "startTime": "00:18:39,662", "endTime": "00:18:41,662" }, { "index": 281, "text": "renewable energy solar and wind", "startTime": "00:18:41,931", "endTime": "00:18:43,931" }, { "index": 282, "text": "is less expensive than gas, coal, nuclear.", "startTime": "00:18:47,704", "endTime": "00:18:50,272" }, { "index": 283, "text": "How do you judge that? That affordability?", "startTime": "00:18:51,908", "endTime": "00:18:54,109" }, { "index": 284, "text": "How will that be judged?", "startTime": "00:18:56,790", "endTime": "00:18:58,790" }, { "index": 285, "text": "What will the all tentative be for emission free energy.", "startTime": "00:19:00,116", "endTime": "00:19:02,852" }, { "index": 286, "text": "If you don't hit affordability", "startTime": "00:19:06,656", "endTime": "00:19:08,656" }, { "index": 287, "text": "you buy more expensive power? >> I am unclear on your", "startTime": "00:19:10,560", "endTime": "00:19:12,328" }, { "index": 288, "text": "question. Right now the current rfp open", "startTime": "00:19:13,263", "endTime": "00:19:15,331" }, { "index": 289, "text": "for renewable resources I am", "startTime": "00:19:17,267", "endTime": "00:19:19,267" }, { "index": 290, "text": "aware we have solicited bids for wind, solar and battery.", "startTime": "00:19:22,339", "endTime": "00:19:24,573" }, { "index": 291, "text": "All of those would go towards hb2021 compliance.", "startTime": "00:19:27,511", "endTime": "00:19:29,679" }, { "index": 292, "text": "I don't know the pricing. That is not public.", "startTime": "00:19:30,180", "endTime": "00:19:32,348" }, { "index": 293, "text": "We are soliciting bids.", "startTime": "00:19:33,416", "endTime": "00:19:35,416" }, { "index": 294, "text": "when we see the pricing against the market and whatever else is", "startTime": "00:19:36,753", "endTime": "00:19:39,656" }, { "index": 295, "text": "available in our resource", "startTime": "00:19:41,291", "endTime": "00:19:43,291" }, { "index": 296, "text": "portfolio, we will make cost affordability calculations at that point.", "startTime": "00:19:44,127", "endTime": "00:19:46,896" }, { "index": 297, "text": "All of these things have to be", "startTime": "00:19:48,832", "endTime": "00:19:50,832" }, { "index": 298, "text": "approved by the oregon public utility commission.", "startTime": "00:19:52,136", "endTime": "00:19:53,569" }, { "index": 299, "text": "When we go into present the rfp results, at that point we can", "startTime": "00:19:54,872", "endTime": "00:19:57,740" }, { "index": 300, "text": "point to market conditions that", "startTime": "00:19:59,430", "endTime": "00:20:01,430" }, { "index": 301, "text": "say, yes, these are affordable.", "startTime": "00:20:01,545", "endTime": "00:20:03,545" }, { "index": 302, "text": "Here is the compliance pathway we are currently on.", "startTime": "00:20:04,480", "endTime": "00:20:07,160" }, { "index": 303, "text": "We expect everything to move", "startTime": "00:20:07,885", "endTime": "00:20:09,885" }, { "index": 304, "text": "forward as shown in that slide", "startTime": "00:20:10,421", "endTime": "00:20:12,421" }, { "index": 305, "text": "or, no, we need to make adjustments what is coming back", "startTime": "00:20:14,240", "endTime": "00:20:16,427" }, { "index": 306, "text": "from the market.", "startTime": "00:20:16,427", "endTime": "00:20:18,427" }, { "index": 307, "text": "We can't tax customers in a way", "startTime": "00:20:19,263", "endTime": "00:20:21,263" }, { "index": 308, "text": "to make power unaffordable. >> demand is also rising.", "startTime": "00:20:22,766", "endTime": "00:20:25,680" }, { "index": 309, "text": "You talked bend is in a growth", "startTime": "00:20:27,471", "endTime": "00:20:29,471" }, { "index": 310, "text": "phase and demand is increasing", "startTime": "00:20:30,274", "endTime": "00:20:32,274" }, { "index": 311, "text": "here.", "startTime": "00:20:32,743", "endTime": "00:20:34,743" }, { "index": 312, "text": "anyone else with a question? >> I have a question.", "startTime": "00:20:35,379", "endTime": "00:20:38,348" }, { "index": 313, "text": "According to your slide from", "startTime": "00:20:42,386", "endTime": "00:20:44,386" }, { "index": 314, "text": "29-30 you go from 30% to 80%.", "startTime": "00:20:45,222", "endTime": "00:20:47,222" }, { "index": 315, "text": "That is 50% increase in renewables. You have rfp out.", "startTime": "00:20:48,826", "endTime": "00:20:51,561" }, { "index": 316, "text": "What is currently available in", "startTime": "00:20:52,630", "endTime": "00:20:54,630" }, { "index": 317, "text": "that one year period that is", "startTime": "00:20:54,298", "endTime": "00:20:56,298" }, { "index": 318, "text": "going to make your portfolio 50% more?", "startTime": "00:20:58,903", "endTime": "00:21:00,770" }, { "index": 319, "text": "we had question about this last time, too.", "startTime": "00:21:01,172", "endTime": "00:21:03,273" }, { "index": 320, "text": "I anticipate when this rfp", "startTime": "00:21:05,343", "endTime": "00:21:07,343" }, { "index": 321, "text": "results comes to fruition and we have nor information that compliance chart will look", "startTime": "00:21:08,646", "endTime": "00:21:10,915" }, { "index": 322, "text": "different. We will have more renewable", "startTime": "00:21:10,915", "endTime": "00:21:13,750" }, { "index": 323, "text": "energy resources available in", "startTime": "00:21:14,586", "endTime": "00:21:16,586" }, { "index": 324, "text": "years prior to 2029. I don't think it is going to", "startTime": "00:21:17,355", "endTime": "00:21:18,989" }, { "index": 325, "text": "stay the way it is right now", "startTime": "00:21:20,525", "endTime": "00:21:22,525" }, { "index": 326, "text": "with significant cliff from 29 to 30.", "startTime": "00:21:22,827", "endTime": "00:21:24,270" }, { "index": 327, "text": "This is our best guess based on what we know of market", "startTime": "00:21:27,231", "endTime": "00:21:29,499" }, { "index": 328, "text": "conditions absence the current rfp.", "startTime": "00:21:34,539", "endTime": "00:21:35,797" }, { "index": 329, "text": "you were talking about the growth.", "startTime": "00:21:37,509", "endTime": "00:21:39,709" }, { "index": 330, "text": "Maybe I didn't understand. Growth doesn't show what you are", "startTime": "00:21:40,878", "endTime": "00:21:43,347" }, { "index": 331, "text": "going to have to make up for not", "startTime": "00:21:44,382", "endTime": "00:21:46,382" }, { "index": 332, "text": "having in gas and utilities", "startTime": "00:21:47,151", "endTime": "00:21:49,151" }, { "index": 333, "text": "which is more than 30% growth.", "startTime": "00:21:50,188", "endTime": "00:21:52,188" }, { "index": 334, "text": "Is that accounted for? >> natural gas will remain a", "startTime": "00:21:54,459", "endTime": "00:21:57,160" }, { "index": 335, "text": "part of the electric mix. It is coal that can know longer", "startTime": "00:22:02,600", "endTime": "00:22:05,202" }, { "index": 336, "text": "serve oregon customers in 2030.", "startTime": "00:22:07,272", "endTime": "00:22:09,272" }, { "index": 337, "text": "what I am saying the growth", "startTime": "00:22:09,674", "endTime": "00:22:11,674" }, { "index": 338, "text": "and demand you are going to have", "startTime": "00:22:12,760", "endTime": "00:22:14,760" }, { "index": 339, "text": "to provide to bend.", "startTime": "00:22:14,713", "endTime": "00:22:16,713" }, { "index": 340, "text": "from potential move from gas. Bend is very high growth rate.", "startTime": "00:22:19,184", "endTime": "00:22:22,152" }, { "index": 341, "text": "I think to do that type of calculation that is very much", "startTime": "00:22:24,880", "endTime": "00:22:26,657" }, { "index": 342, "text": "getting in the weeds.", "startTime": "00:22:26,958", "endTime": "00:22:28,958" }, { "index": 343, "text": "I try to keep this high level as possible.", "startTime": "00:22:29,600", "endTime": "00:22:30,361" }, { "index": 344, "text": "I am happy to run those numbers.", "startTime": "00:22:31,763", "endTime": "00:22:33,763" }, { "index": 345, "text": "I did run a few of the numbers based on the fee presented from", "startTime": "00:22:33,965", "endTime": "00:22:36,700" }, { "index": 346, "text": "staff at the last discussion.", "startTime": "00:22:38,937", "endTime": "00:22:40,937" }, { "index": 347, "text": "We can talk about that if we", "startTime": "00:22:41,600", "endTime": "00:22:43,600" }, { "index": 348, "text": "need to get into the details. >> what was on the slide is", "startTime": "00:22:43,208", "endTime": "00:22:45,943" }, { "index": 349, "text": "right now without the policy in place?", "startTime": "00:22:46,812", "endTime": "00:22:49,113" }, { "index": 350, "text": "right. >> something different if policy", "startTime": "00:22:50,382", "endTime": "00:22:52,830" }, { "index": 351, "text": "was in place? >> yes.", "startTime": "00:22:53,510", "endTime": "00:22:54,418" }, { "index": 352, "text": "we have two other presentations.", "startTime": "00:22:55,554", "endTime": "00:22:56,887" }, { "index": 353, "text": "I don't want to spend 40 to 50", "startTime": "00:22:58,957", "endTime": "00:23:00,957" }, { "index": 354, "text": "minutes so we can have discussion.", "startTime": "00:23:02,994", "endTime": "00:23:04,995" }, { "index": 355, "text": "lisa, how much growth is driven by residential and how", "startTime": "00:23:06,198", "endTime": "00:23:08,933" }, { "index": 356, "text": "much driven buy outs", "startTime": "00:23:11,737", "endTime": "00:23:13,737" }, { "index": 357, "text": "buy out side residential. >> most of the growth in", "startTime": "00:23:24,449", "endTime": "00:23:27,840" }, { "index": 358, "text": "residential is coming from multifamily housing which is", "startTime": "00:23:28,200", "endTime": "00:23:30,788" }, { "index": 359, "text": "already electrified.", "startTime": "00:23:31,223", "endTime": "00:23:33,223" }, { "index": 360, "text": "Those are significant.", "startTime": "00:23:34,626", "endTime": "00:23:36,626" }, { "index": 361, "text": "They are on par with a small manufacturer.", "startTime": "00:23:38,664", "endTime": "00:23:39,997" }, { "index": 362, "text": "thank you. >> mike.", "startTime": "00:23:40,766", "endTime": "00:23:42,330" }, { "index": 363, "text": "I was going to ask the same question.", "startTime": "00:23:42,801", "endTime": "00:23:44,680" }, { "index": 364, "text": "that worked out well. Garrett.", "startTime": "00:23:45,470", "endTime": "00:23:47,500" }, { "index": 365, "text": "does the timeline for", "startTime": "00:23:47,873", "endTime": "00:23:49,873" }, { "index": 366, "text": "expansion of infrastructure include land use or how long it", "startTime": "00:23:52,244", "endTime": "00:23:54,779" }, { "index": 367, "text": "takes to build substation.", "startTime": "00:23:55,647", "endTime": "00:23:57,647" }, { "index": 368, "text": "I don't think I laid out a timeline.", "startTime": "00:23:58,617", "endTime": "00:23:59,984" }, { "index": 369, "text": "three to five acres is how much land we need for", "startTime": "00:24:01,530", "endTime": "00:24:03,388" }, { "index": 370, "text": "substation.", "startTime": "00:24:03,388", "endTime": "00:24:05,388" }, { "index": 371, "text": "I used to say you could builds a", "startTime": "00:24:06,725", "endTime": "00:24:08,725" }, { "index": 372, "text": "substation in three years. That is rocket speed.", "startTime": "00:24:09,161", "endTime": "00:24:11,290" }, { "index": 373, "text": "It does take the land use", "startTime": "00:24:12,131", "endTime": "00:24:14,131" }, { "index": 374, "text": "process along with ordering long lead materials.", "startTime": "00:24:14,233", "endTime": "00:24:16,434" }, { "index": 375, "text": "You could probably still do it in three years.", "startTime": "00:24:16,769", "endTime": "00:24:19,637" }, { "index": 376, "text": "More like four to five years for a substation.", "startTime": "00:24:22,575", "endTime": "00:24:23,908" }, { "index": 377, "text": "any other questions? >> thank you for the", "startTime": "00:24:27,713", "endTime": "00:24:30,150" }, { "index": 378, "text": "presentation.", "startTime": "00:24:30,150", "endTime": "00:24:32,150" }, { "index": 379, "text": "Any strategies that can meet new", "startTime": "00:24:34,530", "endTime": "00:24:36,530" }, { "index": 380, "text": "demand without transmission? Large load flexibility is a huge", "startTime": "00:24:38,925", "endTime": "00:24:40,859" }, { "index": 381, "text": "opportunity we have when we have", "startTime": "00:24:45,231", "endTime": "00:24:47,231" }, { "index": 382, "text": "cold snaps and heat waves how we", "startTime": "00:24:48,340", "endTime": "00:24:50,340" }, { "index": 383, "text": "can keep the heat on. They don't meet the multiyear", "startTime": "00:24:50,937", "endTime": "00:24:53,772" }, { "index": 384, "text": "infrastructure upgrades. >> we have robust demand", "startTime": "00:24:54,740", "endTime": "00:24:57,609" }, { "index": 385, "text": "response program that is rolled", "startTime": "00:24:57,910", "endTime": "00:24:59,910" }, { "index": 386, "text": "out to commercial and industrial first.", "startTime": "00:25:00,446", "endTime": "00:25:01,880" }, { "index": 387, "text": "It came to bend last summer as residential program.", "startTime": "00:25:03,182", "endTime": "00:25:05,250" }, { "index": 388, "text": "We are heavily encouraging energy efficiency.", "startTime": "00:25:08,421", "endTime": "00:25:10,622" }, { "index": 389, "text": "Those are two major ways we can", "startTime": "00:25:14,427", "endTime": "00:25:16,427" }, { "index": 390, "text": "curb the need for transmission infrastructure.", "startTime": "00:25:17,630", "endTime": "00:25:18,597" }, { "index": 391, "text": "It is necessary to get power from renewable energy resources", "startTime": "00:25:19,899", "endTime": "00:25:22,501" }, { "index": 392, "text": "not related here or next to a", "startTime": "00:25:27,740", "endTime": "00:25:29,740" }, { "index": 393, "text": "load to serve the load.", "startTime": "00:25:31,678", "endTime": "00:25:33,678" }, { "index": 394, "text": "moving to", "startTime": "00:25:33,880", "endTime": "00:25:35,880" }, { "index": 395, "text": "moving to cc next. Your presentation. Thank", "startTime": "00:25:36,749", "endTime": "00:25:39,368" }, { "index": 396, "text": "thank you, lisa. >> brent ten pas.", "startTime": "00:25:41,521", "endTime": "00:25:44,256" }, { "index": 397, "text": "Central electric cooperative. We appreciate the opportunity to", "startTime": "00:25:44,891", "endTime": "00:25:46,859" }, { "index": 398, "text": "be here today.", "startTime": "00:25:47,127", "endTime": "00:25:49,127" }, { "index": 399, "text": "I also want to acknowledge cassie and her accessibility and", "startTime": "00:25:51,498", "endTime": "00:25:54,299" }, { "index": 400, "text": "reaching out in good conversations with her.", "startTime": "00:25:55,168", "endTime": "00:25:57,269" }, { "index": 401, "text": "Very good productive transparent conversations.", "startTime": "00:26:00,407", "endTime": "00:26:02,740" }, { "index": 402, "text": "Thank you, cassie.", "startTime": "00:26:04,577", "endTime": "00:26:06,577" }, { "index": 403, "text": "If pacific power is a rural utility, central electric is", "startTime": "00:26:07,881", "endTime": "00:26:10,850" }, { "index": 404, "text": "very, very rural cooperative utility.", "startTime": "00:26:13,753", "endTime": "00:26:15,387" }, { "index": 405, "text": "I will give you brief background", "startTime": "00:26:16,957", "endTime": "00:26:18,957" }, { "index": 406, "text": "who we are in my day-to-day", "startTime": "00:26:20,494", "endTime": "00:26:22,494" }, { "index": 407, "text": "there are sometimes a lack of", "startTime": "00:26:23,530", "endTime": "00:26:25,530" }, { "index": 408, "text": "awareness who cec is and who we", "startTime": "00:26:25,766", "endTime": "00:26:27,766" }, { "index": 409, "text": "are in our mission to serve the", "startTime": "00:26:29,870", "endTime": "00:26:31,870" }, { "index": 410, "text": "greater area.", "startTime": "00:26:36,776", "endTime": "00:26:38,776" }, { "index": 411, "text": "The co opin the 1940s through", "startTime": "00:26:42,116", "endTime": "00:26:44,116" }, { "index": 412, "text": "the rural electrification", "startTime": "00:26:45,519", "endTime": "00:26:47,519" }, { "index": 413, "text": "administration in the f dr administration ranchers and", "startTime": "00:26:50,557", "endTime": "00:26:53,292" }, { "index": 414, "text": "farmers borrowed 240,000 and", "startTime": "00:26:54,610", "endTime": "00:26:56,610" }, { "index": 415, "text": "started to build the system themselves. That has grown over the years.", "startTime": "00:26:57,598", "endTime": "00:26:59,966" }, { "index": 416, "text": "We have a 5300 square file", "startTime": "00:27:03,670", "endTime": "00:27:05,670" }, { "index": 417, "text": "service territory across five counties, tri-counties. 24 substations.", "startTime": "00:27:08,740", "endTime": "00:27:10,743" }, { "index": 418, "text": "We are currently grading to", "startTime": "00:27:14,470", "endTime": "00:27:16,470" }, { "index": 419, "text": "construct a new substation for", "startTime": "00:27:17,484", "endTime": "00:27:19,484" }, { "index": 420, "text": "the stevens ranch development.", "startTime": "00:27:19,887", "endTime": "00:27:21,887" }, { "index": 421, "text": "We have 24 substations.", "startTime": "00:27:23,570", "endTime": "00:27:25,570" }, { "index": 422, "text": "4,000 miles of energized", "startTime": "00:27:26,460", "endTime": "00:27:28,460" }, { "index": 423, "text": "powerlines.", "startTime": "00:27:30,831", "endTime": "00:27:32,831" }, { "index": 424, "text": "There is a snapshot of service territory.", "startTime": "00:27:33,133", "endTime": "00:27:34,534" }, { "index": 425, "text": "If you go west you are looking at the ski resort.", "startTime": "00:27:37,438", "endTime": "00:27:39,806" }, { "index": 426, "text": "East to iz, about 40 miles east", "startTime": "00:27:43,644", "endTime": "00:27:45,644" }, { "index": 427, "text": "of palina.", "startTime": "00:27:46,146", "endTime": "00:27:48,146" }, { "index": 428, "text": "North of madras.", "startTime": "00:27:49,490", "endTime": "00:27:51,490" }, { "index": 429, "text": "As far south as brothers and I forget that little town out there.", "startTime": "00:27:54,288", "endTime": "00:27:57,230" }, { "index": 430, "text": "We go pretty far south to hampton.", "startTime": "00:27:59,760", "endTime": "00:28:02,396" }, { "index": 431, "text": "The yellow you see is", "startTime": "00:28:04,999", "endTime": "00:28:06,999" }, { "index": 432, "text": "unincorporated or unallocated territory.", "startTime": "00:28:07,301", "endTime": "00:28:08,768" }, { "index": 433, "text": "If you are in the yellow area", "startTime": "00:28:09,670", "endTime": "00:28:11,670" }, { "index": 434, "text": "you have a choice to connect", "startTime": "00:28:11,672", "endTime": "00:28:13,672" }, { "index": 435, "text": "with cec or pacific power.", "startTime": "00:28:14,175", "endTime": "00:28:16,175" }, { "index": 436, "text": "Everything that you see there in", "startTime": "00:28:18,980", "endTime": "00:28:20,980" }, { "index": 437, "text": "pink is pacific power.", "startTime": "00:28:21,820", "endTime": "00:28:23,820" }, { "index": 438, "text": "That is a snapshot as of the end of 2025.", "startTime": "00:28:25,453", "endTime": "00:28:26,686" }, { "index": 439, "text": "We are primarily residential", "startTime": "00:28:30,925", "endTime": "00:28:32,925" }, { "index": 440, "text": "irrigation frankly has slowly", "startTime": "00:28:33,628", "endTime": "00:28:35,628" }, { "index": 441, "text": "been declining over the years", "startTime": "00:28:35,730", "endTime": "00:28:37,730" }, { "index": 442, "text": "for drought, farming, ranching, second and third generations", "startTime": "00:28:39,334", "endTime": "00:28:41,868" }, { "index": 443, "text": "don't want to do it. Change in our make up.", "startTime": "00:28:42,603", "endTime": "00:28:44,805" }, { "index": 444, "text": "We have commercial.", "startTime": "00:28:47,709", "endTime": "00:28:49,709" }, { "index": 445, "text": "Also our largest number is the st. Charles hospital.", "startTime": "00:28:50,745", "endTime": "00:28:52,212" }, { "index": 446, "text": "At the time it was constructed it was so far out it was in the", "startTime": "00:28:53,982", "endTime": "00:28:56,251" }, { "index": 447, "text": "service territory.", "startTime": "00:28:56,251", "endTime": "00:28:58,251" }, { "index": 448, "text": "That is an idea of growth over", "startTime": "00:28:58,586", "endTime": "00:29:00,586" }, { "index": 449, "text": "the decades.", "startTime": "00:29:02,624", "endTime": "00:29:04,624" }, { "index": 450, "text": "Zero in on the city of bend.", "startTime": "00:29:04,792", "endTime": "00:29:06,792" }, { "index": 451, "text": "Red line is the border. Pink is again pacific power.", "startTime": "00:29:09,970", "endTime": "00:29:11,865" }, { "index": 452, "text": "Yellow would be unallocated. All of that growth on the east", "startTime": "00:29:12,834", "endTime": "00:29:15,803" }, { "index": 453, "text": "tsai", "startTime": "00:29:15,904", "endTime": "00:29:17,904" }, { "index": 454, "text": "on east sideis service territory.", "startTime": "00:29:23,878", "endTime": "00:29:25,878" }, { "index": 455, "text": "7500 members in the city of", "startTime": "00:29:27,516", "endTime": "00:29:29,516" }, { "index": 456, "text": "bend. We will touch on it later.", "startTime": "00:29:30,117", "endTime": "00:29:32,886" }, { "index": 457, "text": "With growth we will nearly", "startTime": "00:29:33,755", "endTime": "00:29:35,755" }, { "index": 458, "text": "double the number of members", "startTime": "00:29:35,824", "endTime": "00:29:37,824" }, { "index": 459, "text": "within the city of bend.", "startTime": "00:29:39,894", "endTime": "00:29:41,894" }, { "index": 460, "text": "We purchase our power through", "startTime": "00:29:42,630", "endTime": "00:29:44,630" }, { "index": 461, "text": "bonneville power administration which managed columbia river", "startTime": "00:29:44,633", "endTime": "00:29:47,434" }, { "index": 462, "text": "power system.", "startTime": "00:29:49,700", "endTime": "00:29:51,700" }, { "index": 463, "text": "We purchase power through", "startTime": "00:29:52,400", "endTime": "00:29:54,400" }, { "index": 464, "text": "generation cooperative pngc. Fuel mix is pretty clean", "startTime": "00:29:56,278", "endTime": "00:29:58,146" }, { "index": 465, "text": "depending on the water year 89", "startTime": "00:30:01,716", "endTime": "00:30:03,716" }, { "index": 466, "text": "to 93 to 94% emission free.", "startTime": "00:30:05,787", "endTime": "00:30:07,787" }, { "index": 467, "text": "We have 13% nuclear.", "startTime": "00:30:08,657", "endTime": "00:30:10,657" }, { "index": 468, "text": "Within that 13% of nonspecified", "startTime": "00:30:12,694", "endTime": "00:30:14,694" }, { "index": 469, "text": "market purchases you will see", "startTime": "00:30:15,464", "endTime": "00:30:17,464" }, { "index": 470, "text": "some small wind and solar.", "startTime": "00:30:19,534", "endTime": "00:30:21,534" }, { "index": 471, "text": "Most of those market purchases", "startTime": "00:30:22,571", "endTime": "00:30:24,571" }, { "index": 472, "text": "are more carbon intensive.", "startTime": "00:30:27,576", "endTime": "00:30:29,576" }, { "index": 473, "text": "This is important to highlight.", "startTime": "00:30:33,648", "endTime": "00:30:35,648" }, { "index": 474, "text": "Bpa is tier rate to balance low", "startTime": "00:30:35,684", "endTime": "00:30:37,684" }, { "index": 475, "text": "cost federal power with regional.", "startTime": "00:30:41,156", "endTime": "00:30:42,423" }, { "index": 476, "text": "Public utilities, municipal utilities or co-ops.", "startTime": "00:30:44,860", "endTime": "00:30:46,961" }, { "index": 477, "text": "We are coming to end of 20 year contract.", "startTime": "00:30:49,365", "endTime": "00:30:51,298" }, { "index": 478, "text": "That tier 1 power for $40", "startTime": "00:30:54,403", "endTime": "00:30:56,403" }, { "index": 479, "text": "megawatt comes off hydro system", "startTime": "00:30:57,806", "endTime": "00:30:59,806" }, { "index": 480, "text": "as well as bpa columbia generating in washington.", "startTime": "00:31:03,979", "endTime": "00:31:06,114" }, { "index": 481, "text": "It is stable and predictable.", "startTime": "00:31:09,818", "endTime": "00:31:11,818" }, { "index": 482, "text": "Tier 2 power is $70 a megawatt.", "startTime": "00:31:14,423", "endTime": "00:31:16,423" }, { "index": 483, "text": "All of the growth we are", "startTime": "00:31:19,128", "endTime": "00:31:21,128" }, { "index": 484, "text": "experiencing falls under tier 2.", "startTime": "00:31:21,997", "endTime": "00:31:23,997" }, { "index": 485, "text": "It is more carbon intensive", "startTime": "00:31:26,235", "endTime": "00:31:28,235" }, { "index": 486, "text": "which impacts overall resource.", "startTime": "00:31:28,971", "endTime": "00:31:30,971" }, { "index": 487, "text": "Power costs 52% of our operating budget.", "startTime": "00:31:34,110", "endTime": "00:31:36,770" }, { "index": 488, "text": "Bpa power is rising in cost.", "startTime": "00:31:39,582", "endTime": "00:31:41,582" }, { "index": 489, "text": "Last year they implemented 19%", "startTime": "00:31:42,518", "endTime": "00:31:44,518" }, { "index": 490, "text": "increase for customers over three years.", "startTime": "00:31:44,720", "endTime": "00:31:47,455" }, { "index": 491, "text": "Cec had to go out and raise its rates just over 9%.", "startTime": "00:31:52,228", "endTime": "00:31:53,662" }, { "index": 492, "text": "We are starting cost service", "startTime": "00:31:54,930", "endTime": "00:31:56,930" }, { "index": 493, "text": "analysis to look at what to do", "startTime": "00:31:57,533", "endTime": "00:31:59,533" }, { "index": 494, "text": "for this year and the following", "startTime": "00:31:59,636", "endTime": "00:32:01,636" }, { "index": 495, "text": "year to match that.", "startTime": "00:32:09,712", "endTime": "00:32:11,712" }, { "index": 496, "text": "Organic growth which I touched", "startTime": "00:32:11,881", "endTime": "00:32:13,881" }, { "index": 497, "text": "on we have seen increase 10% membership and we expect that", "startTime": "00:32:14,717", "endTime": "00:32:17,485" }, { "index": 498, "text": "again over the next five years.", "startTime": "00:32:18,221", "endTime": "00:32:20,221" }, { "index": 499, "text": "This is not just bend, but it is", "startTime": "00:32:22,826", "endTime": "00:32:24,826" }, { "index": 500, "text": "also for us northwest redmond", "startTime": "00:32:25,895", "endTime": "00:32:27,895" }, { "index": 501, "text": "and sisters which is entirely in", "startTime": "00:32:28,640", "endTime": "00:32:30,640" }, { "index": 502, "text": "our service territory. Obviously greatest growth is in", "startTime": "00:32:30,500", "endTime": "00:32:33,135" }, { "index": 503, "text": "the steven road development.", "startTime": "00:32:35,138", "endTime": "00:32:37,138" }, { "index": 504, "text": "Also the multi-unit housing is driving upload as well.", "startTime": "00:32:38,341", "endTime": "00:32:41,243" }, { "index": 505, "text": "You also have library there and just the other residential that", "startTime": "00:32:41,978", "endTime": "00:32:44,460" }, { "index": 506, "text": "is growing there.", "startTime": "00:32:44,814", "endTime": "00:32:46,814" }, { "index": 507, "text": "We understand there is nearly", "startTime": "00:32:48,840", "endTime": "00:32:50,840" }, { "index": 508, "text": "7500 homes that will pretty much", "startTime": "00:32:50,920", "endTime": "00:32:52,920" }, { "index": 509, "text": "double our service meters just", "startTime": "00:32:53,223", "endTime": "00:32:55,223" }, { "index": 510, "text": "within the city of bend over the", "startTime": "00:32:55,859", "endTime": "00:32:57,859" }, { "index": 511, "text": "next few years.", "startTime": "00:33:03,967", "endTime": "00:33:05,967" }, { "index": 512, "text": "One of the things to touch on.", "startTime": "00:33:06,360", "endTime": "00:33:08,360" }, { "index": 513, "text": "Resource adequacy is an", "startTime": "00:33:08,805", "endTime": "00:33:10,805" }, { "index": 514, "text": "increasing challenge.", "startTime": "00:33:11,740", "endTime": "00:33:13,740" }, { "index": 515, "text": "Over last two years multiple", "startTime": "00:33:13,476", "endTime": "00:33:15,476" }, { "index": 516, "text": "headlines about potential blackouts, 9 giga watt shortfall", "startTime": "00:33:18,415", "endTime": "00:33:20,749" }, { "index": 517, "text": "in that generation online not keeping pace with that shortfall.", "startTime": "00:33:23,153", "endTime": "00:33:24,987" }, { "index": 518, "text": "Put it into perspective.", "startTime": "00:33:27,900", "endTime": "00:33:29,900" }, { "index": 519, "text": "9 gigawatts would be like nine 1,000-megawatt power plants.", "startTime": "00:33:32,229", "endTime": "00:33:35,197" }, { "index": 520, "text": "State of oregon uses almost 7 gigawatts. Throw in peak load.", "startTime": "00:33:40,670", "endTime": "00:33:42,605" }, { "index": 521, "text": "That is almost 9 gigawatts there", "startTime": "00:33:44,975", "endTime": "00:33:46,975" }, { "index": 522, "text": "to put example to that.", "startTime": "00:33:49,179", "endTime": "00:33:51,179" }, { "index": 523, "text": "It's growing and resource", "startTime": "00:33:52,516", "endTime": "00:33:54,516" }, { "index": 524, "text": "adequacy is becoming ever", "startTime": "00:33:55,252", "endTime": "00:33:57,252" }, { "index": 525, "text": "increasing issue as well as the", "startTime": "00:33:58,121", "endTime": "00:34:00,121" }, { "index": 526, "text": "cost for power is soaring. The data centers receive much of", "startTime": "00:34:09,660", "endTime": "00:34:11,801" }, { "index": 527, "text": "the attention and blame for soaring energy demand.", "startTime": "00:34:14,571", "endTime": "00:34:16,106" }, { "index": 528, "text": "They are playing a role in it. Pacific northwest is", "startTime": "00:34:19,760", "endTime": "00:34:21,744" }, { "index": 529, "text": "experiencing great growth as we", "startTime": "00:34:21,978", "endTime": "00:34:23,978" }, { "index": 530, "text": "also see here in central oregon. Greater electrification of homes", "startTime": "00:34:25,216", "endTime": "00:34:28,840" }, { "index": 531, "text": "including heating, air-conditioning, water heating,", "startTime": "00:34:29,720", "endTime": "00:34:32,656" }, { "index": 532, "text": "adoption of electric vehicles.", "startTime": "00:34:33,424", "endTime": "00:34:35,424" }, { "index": 533, "text": "The other thing contributes is", "startTime": "00:34:37,795", "endTime": "00:34:39,795" }, { "index": 534, "text": "retirement of coal and less efficient natural gas that are", "startTime": "00:34:40,864", "endTime": "00:34:42,999" }, { "index": 535, "text": "not replaced. Demand is outgrowing what is", "startTime": "00:34:44,268", "endTime": "00:34:47,103" }, { "index": 536, "text": "coming online.", "startTime": "00:34:47,738", "endTime": "00:34:49,738" }, { "index": 537, "text": "Then you have the thorny knot of transmission constraints.", "startTime": "00:34:51,842", "endTime": "00:34:54,777" }, { "index": 538, "text": "How will you import these firm resources into the state of", "startTime": "00:34:56,313", "endTime": "00:34:58,382" }, { "index": 539, "text": "oregon?", "startTime": "00:34:58,382", "endTime": "00:35:00,382" }, { "index": 540, "text": "The permitting and construction, everything that goes into", "startTime": "00:35:02,453", "endTime": "00:35:04,555" }, { "index": 541, "text": "construction.", "startTime": "00:35:04,555", "endTime": "00:35:06,555" }, { "index": 542, "text": "Those are all issues as my colleague has to work through", "startTime": "00:35:08,192", "endTime": "00:35:10,560" }, { "index": 543, "text": "just to have transmission to", "startTime": "00:35:12,163", "endTime": "00:35:14,163" }, { "index": 544, "text": "bring in and import that kind of power.", "startTime": "00:35:14,932", "endTime": "00:35:17,367" }, { "index": 545, "text": "We took a serious hit just last month.", "startTime": "00:35:18,969", "endTime": "00:35:20,436" }, { "index": 546, "text": "Many of you MAY be following", "startTime": "00:35:21,439", "endTime": "00:35:23,439" }, { "index": 547, "text": "what is happening with the federal system and lawsuits", "startTime": "00:35:27,278", "endTime": "00:35:29,646" }, { "index": 548, "text": "going on for over a decade.", "startTime": "00:35:30,548", "endTime": "00:35:32,548" }, { "index": 549, "text": "A federal judge injunction", "startTime": "00:35:35,987", "endTime": "00:35:37,987" }, { "index": 550, "text": "issued to alter operations of bpa system.", "startTime": "00:35:38,489", "endTime": "00:35:40,357" }, { "index": 551, "text": "Bottom line is that from APRIL", "startTime": "00:35:43,761", "endTime": "00:35:45,761" }, { "index": 552, "text": "into summer, they are now going", "startTime": "00:35:46,330", "endTime": "00:35:48,330" }, { "index": 553, "text": "to buy pass generations.", "startTime": "00:35:48,899", "endTime": "00:35:50,899" }, { "index": 554, "text": "Losing several hundred average megawatt.", "startTime": "00:35:51,502", "endTime": "00:35:53,690" }, { "index": 555, "text": "That is going to be lost for", "startTime": "00:35:54,380", "endTime": "00:35:56,380" }, { "index": 556, "text": "public power that is pretty much overnight a 6% increase in costs", "startTime": "00:35:57,508", "endTime": "00:36:00,277" }, { "index": 557, "text": "of power on top of what we just", "startTime": "00:36:01,779", "endTime": "00:36:03,779" }, { "index": 558, "text": "now have to deal with with the", "startTime": "00:36:04,849", "endTime": "00:36:06,849" }, { "index": 559, "text": "three year 19% increase in power.", "startTime": "00:36:08,252", "endTime": "00:36:09,786" }, { "index": 560, "text": "How are we meeting future demand?", "startTime": "00:36:13,324", "endTime": "00:36:14,558" }, { "index": 561, "text": "First and foremost we are going", "startTime": "00:36:16,600", "endTime": "00:36:18,600" }, { "index": 562, "text": "to promote efficient electricity", "startTime": "00:36:22,660", "endTime": "00:36:24,660" }, { "index": 563, "text": "use to reduce tier 2 power performs to keep rates low.", "startTime": "00:36:25,203", "endTime": "00:36:27,938" }, { "index": 564, "text": "We have never as co-op engaged in fuel switching.", "startTime": "00:36:30,241", "endTime": "00:36:32,743" }, { "index": 565, "text": "We believed that members know", "startTime": "00:36:33,278", "endTime": "00:36:35,278" }, { "index": 566, "text": "what is best as far as meeting their energy needs.", "startTime": "00:36:35,813", "endTime": "00:36:38,348" }, { "index": 567, "text": "what we have done over the decades we have very robust", "startTime": "00:36:39,751", "endTime": "00:36:42,719" }, { "index": 568, "text": "energy efficiency program as", "startTime": "00:36:44,122", "endTime": "00:36:46,122" }, { "index": 569, "text": "well as rebates and inspections to help guide other members", "startTime": "00:36:47,326", "endTime": "00:36:49,660" }, { "index": 570, "text": "through energy choices to really", "startTime": "00:36:50,280", "endTime": "00:36:52,280" }, { "index": 571, "text": "if they choose to electrify and", "startTime": "00:36:54,766", "endTime": "00:36:56,766" }, { "index": 572, "text": "go with high efficiency", "startTime": "00:36:57,469", "endTime": "00:36:59,469" }, { "index": 573, "text": "appliances to maintain affordability and responsible", "startTime": "00:37:00,105", "endTime": "00:37:02,274" }, { "index": 574, "text": "energy use.", "startTime": "00:37:02,274", "endTime": "00:37:04,274" }, { "index": 575, "text": "You know, we cannot afford to stand idly by and basically have", "startTime": "00:37:07,579", "endTime": "00:37:10,548" }, { "index": 576, "text": "bpa dictate to us what is", "startTime": "00:37:12,684", "endTime": "00:37:14,684" }, { "index": 577, "text": "happening on tier 2.", "startTime": "00:37:16,188", "endTime": "00:37:18,188" }, { "index": 578, "text": "Through our co-op we are looking", "startTime": "00:37:19,424", "endTime": "00:37:21,424" }, { "index": 579, "text": "at battery solar in the culver", "startTime": "00:37:22,427", "endTime": "00:37:24,427" }, { "index": 580, "text": "area among 25 members who wants", "startTime": "00:37:25,797", "endTime": "00:37:27,797" }, { "index": 581, "text": "to opt-in to help reduce tier 2", "startTime": "00:37:29,167", "endTime": "00:37:31,167" }, { "index": 582, "text": "reliance on bpa. We have also signed two", "startTime": "00:37:31,470", "endTime": "00:37:34,438" }, { "index": 583, "text": "different power purchasing agreements wind and solar to", "startTime": "00:37:37,476", "endTime": "00:37:39,760" }, { "index": 584, "text": "help diversify our portfolio.", "startTime": "00:37:42,314", "endTime": "00:37:44,314" }, { "index": 585, "text": "We are not seeing a lot of cost", "startTime": "00:37:48,153", "endTime": "00:37:50,153" }, { "index": 586, "text": "savings from tier 2. Marginal difference than tier 2.", "startTime": "00:37:53,626", "endTime": "00:37:55,359" }, { "index": 587, "text": "At the end in wrapping up, as", "startTime": "00:37:58,664", "endTime": "00:38:00,664" }, { "index": 588, "text": "not for profit member owned utility.", "startTime": "00:38:00,732", "endTime": "00:38:02,166" }, { "index": 589, "text": "Our mission is to provide", "startTime": "00:38:04,200", "endTime": "00:38:06,200" }, { "index": 590, "text": "electricity to members at lowest cost. Fulfilling that mission is more", "startTime": "00:38:07,639", "endTime": "00:38:10,408" }, { "index": 591, "text": "difficult as we look at growth", "startTime": "00:38:13,645", "endTime": "00:38:15,645" }, { "index": 592, "text": "how the energy industry is evolving.", "startTime": "00:38:19,785", "endTime": "00:38:21,452" }, { "index": 593, "text": "We don't have full appreciation", "startTime": "00:38:23,550", "endTime": "00:38:25,550" }, { "index": 594, "text": "for what the understanding what those potential financial", "startTime": "00:38:25,457", "endTime": "00:38:27,892" }, { "index": 595, "text": "impacts would be for members.", "startTime": "00:38:30,162", "endTime": "00:38:32,162" }, { "index": 596, "text": "We know more load coming on increases tier 2 costs and", "startTime": "00:38:33,499", "endTime": "00:38:36,301" }, { "index": 597, "text": "increases infrastructure costs", "startTime": "00:38:37,369", "endTime": "00:38:39,369" }, { "index": 598, "text": "sizing things appropriately.", "startTime": "00:38:39,572", "endTime": "00:38:41,572" }, { "index": 599, "text": "We are looking at the substation stevens ranch with hopefully", "startTime": "00:38:43,809", "endTime": "00:38:46,440" }, { "index": 600, "text": "construction time of three years.", "startTime": "00:38:46,450", "endTime": "00:38:48,246" }, { "index": 601, "text": "It will cost about $13 million.", "startTime": "00:38:50,549", "endTime": "00:38:52,549" }, { "index": 602, "text": "we are thinking about second substation to help meet the", "startTime": "00:38:54,119", "endTime": "00:38:56,354" }, { "index": 603, "text": "energy needs in southeast bend.", "startTime": "00:38:59,558", "endTime": "00:39:01,558" }, { "index": 604, "text": "I will answer questions. >> questions?", "startTime": "00:39:01,727", "endTime": "00:39:04,362" }, { "index": 605, "text": "Councilor mendez.", "startTime": "00:39:04,897", "endTime": "00:39:06,897" }, { "index": 606, "text": "thank you.", "startTime": "00:39:08,660", "endTime": "00:39:10,660" }, { "index": 607, "text": "You said over 90% current mix is carbon emission free.", "startTime": "00:39:10,802", "endTime": "00:39:13,238" }, { "index": 608, "text": "Could you describe what the future expansion looks like in", "startTime": "00:39:14,106", "endTime": "00:39:17,750" }, { "index": 609, "text": "terms of carbon emission profile.", "startTime": "00:39:20,112", "endTime": "00:39:21,346" }, { "index": 610, "text": "cec or bpa? >> cec.", "startTime": "00:39:24,717", "endTime": "00:39:26,751" }, { "index": 611, "text": "that growth under tier 2 will", "startTime": "00:39:28,354", "endTime": "00:39:30,354" }, { "index": 612, "text": "be more carbon intensive.", "startTime": "00:39:30,723", "endTime": "00:39:32,723" }, { "index": 613, "text": "I can't put a number on it.", "startTime": "00:39:34,460", "endTime": "00:39:36,460" }, { "index": 614, "text": "We are proactive with wind and solar to shave some of that off.", "startTime": "00:39:39,399", "endTime": "00:39:41,800" }, { "index": 615, "text": "As well through energy efficiency.", "startTime": "00:39:42,969", "endTime": "00:39:44,436" }, { "index": 616, "text": "We have a challenge.", "startTime": "00:39:45,938", "endTime": "00:39:47,938" }, { "index": 617, "text": "Potentially that solar with the battary storage in culver could", "startTime": "00:39:53,112", "endTime": "00:39:55,800" }, { "index": 618, "text": "help as well. >> steve. >> you talked about challenges", "startTime": "00:39:55,982", "endTime": "00:39:58,951" }, { "index": 619, "text": "with transmission in the area of local and in the area.", "startTime": "00:39:59,719", "endTime": "00:40:02,321" }, { "index": 620, "text": "You have city council and staff here listening.", "startTime": "00:40:02,989", "endTime": "00:40:05,560" }, { "index": 621, "text": "How can we best help?", "startTime": "00:40:07,126", "endTime": "00:40:09,126" }, { "index": 622, "text": "we have two different challenges.", "startTime": "00:40:09,228", "endTime": "00:40:10,729" }, { "index": 623, "text": "Our challenge is bpa.", "startTime": "00:40:13,799", "endTime": "00:40:15,799" }, { "index": 624, "text": "Bpa is the transmission provider", "startTime": "00:40:15,868", "endTime": "00:40:17,868" }, { "index": 625, "text": "for almost all of pacific northwest.", "startTime": "00:40:18,538", "endTime": "00:40:19,805" }, { "index": 626, "text": "To give you example of the transmission constraints we have", "startTime": "00:40:21,808", "endTime": "00:40:24,109" }, { "index": 627, "text": "been experiencing in the primary", "startTime": "00:40:27,313", "endTime": "00:40:29,313" }, { "index": 628, "text": "area lack of transmission surface capacity.", "startTime": "00:40:30,150", "endTime": "00:40:31,884" }, { "index": 629, "text": "We have spent over 10 years", "startTime": "00:40:34,187", "endTime": "00:40:36,187" }, { "index": 630, "text": "lobbying bpa to increase size of", "startTime": "00:40:39,759", "endTime": "00:40:41,759" }, { "index": 631, "text": "ponderosa substation.", "startTime": "00:40:43,596", "endTime": "00:40:45,596" }, { "index": 632, "text": "As well construct bonanza", "startTime": "00:40:46,399", "endTime": "00:40:48,399" }, { "index": 633, "text": "substation to step down that high voltage power.", "startTime": "00:40:48,802", "endTime": "00:40:50,536" }, { "index": 634, "text": "we have finally gotten to a tipping points.", "startTime": "00:40:51,538", "endTime": "00:40:53,172" }, { "index": 635, "text": "They are moving forward with funding.", "startTime": "00:40:54,908", "endTime": "00:40:56,242" }, { "index": 636, "text": "I can tell you that timeline has already been pushed out a couple", "startTime": "00:40:58,712", "endTime": "00:41:01,513" }, { "index": 637, "text": "more years.", "startTime": "00:41:02,150", "endTime": "00:41:04,150" }, { "index": 638, "text": "We have gone from looking at", "startTime": "00:41:04,840", "endTime": "00:41:06,840" }, { "index": 639, "text": "potentially having that online", "startTime": "00:41:07,487", "endTime": "00:41:09,487" }, { "index": 640, "text": "in 2029 to maybe 2032.", "startTime": "00:41:09,656", "endTime": "00:41:11,656" }, { "index": 641, "text": "As those involved in edco know. We have to turn people and", "startTime": "00:41:15,228", "endTime": "00:41:18,970" }, { "index": 642, "text": "industry away due to those", "startTime": "00:41:19,399", "endTime": "00:41:21,399" }, { "index": 643, "text": "constraints.", "startTime": "00:41:22,136", "endTime": "00:41:24,136" }, { "index": 644, "text": "I liken bpa to naval aircraft carrier trying to turn it around.", "startTime": "00:41:25,372", "endTime": "00:41:27,773" }, { "index": 645, "text": "That is the challenge we have", "startTime": "00:41:28,976", "endTime": "00:41:30,976" }, { "index": 646, "text": "when it comes to transmission.", "startTime": "00:41:31,512", "endTime": "00:41:33,512" }, { "index": 647, "text": "thank you.", "startTime": "00:41:35,216", "endTime": "00:41:37,216" }, { "index": 648, "text": "Final question then cascade. >> I think you have similar", "startTime": "00:41:40,854", "endTime": "00:41:43,756" }, { "index": 649, "text": "problems with distribution system.", "startTime": "00:41:45,590", "endTime": "00:41:46,526" }, { "index": 650, "text": "How is the distribution system", "startTime": "00:41:47,895", "endTime": "00:41:49,895" }, { "index": 651, "text": "impacted when people choose to", "startTime": "00:41:50,264", "endTime": "00:41:52,264" }, { "index": 652, "text": "put solar on their roof as well as plugging in electric vehicle", "startTime": "00:41:53,934", "endTime": "00:41:56,803" }, { "index": 653, "text": "and all of that stuff?", "startTime": "00:41:57,204", "endTime": "00:41:59,204" }, { "index": 654, "text": "I have solar on my roof.", "startTime": "00:42:00,174", "endTime": "00:42:02,174" }, { "index": 655, "text": "My bill is minimal.", "startTime": "00:42:03,110", "endTime": "00:42:05,110" }, { "index": 656, "text": "How does that help or harm the distribution?", "startTime": "00:42:06,313", "endTime": "00:42:07,747" }, { "index": 657, "text": "What is the status of the distribution network.", "startTime": "00:42:09,350", "endTime": "00:42:11,385" }, { "index": 658, "text": "two answers.", "startTime": "00:42:11,385", "endTime": "00:42:13,385" }, { "index": 659, "text": "It is interesting because", "startTime": "00:42:13,988", "endTime": "00:42:15,988" }, { "index": 660, "text": "believe", "startTime": "00:42:17,224", "endTime": "00:42:19,224" }, { "index": 661, "text": "residential rates are low.", "startTime": "00:42:19,293", "endTime": "00:42:21,293" }, { "index": 662, "text": "We do not have a lot of solar. 45, $50,000 investment how low", "startTime": "00:42:24,732", "endTime": "00:42:27,500" }, { "index": 663, "text": "our rates are it didn't pencil out.", "startTime": "00:42:29,360", "endTime": "00:42:30,804" }, { "index": 664, "text": "Those that pay that premium for solar.", "startTime": "00:42:31,772", "endTime": "00:42:33,373" }, { "index": 665, "text": "When it comes to increasing load, electric vehicles,", "startTime": "00:42:35,543", "endTime": "00:42:38,780" }, { "index": 666, "text": "charging at home, fully electrifying homes.", "startTime": "00:42:39,480", "endTime": "00:42:41,481" }, { "index": 667, "text": "What we have to do with the new", "startTime": "00:42:42,883", "endTime": "00:42:44,883" }, { "index": 668, "text": "developments is resize infrastructure.", "startTime": "00:42:45,185", "endTime": "00:42:46,553" }, { "index": 669, "text": "One of the biggest concerns was if the city was looking at", "startTime": "00:42:47,488", "endTime": "00:42:50,457" }, { "index": 670, "text": "putting in natural gas rights in legacy neighborhoods that would", "startTime": "00:42:53,600", "endTime": "00:42:55,796" }, { "index": 671, "text": "be very problematic for cec", "startTime": "00:43:01,350", "endTime": "00:43:03,350" }, { "index": 672, "text": "because the other imagine from", "startTime": "00:43:05,640", "endTime": "00:43:07,640" }, { "index": 673, "text": "structure was not built to ham that load.", "startTime": "00:43:08,743", "endTime": "00:43:10,100" }, { "index": 674, "text": "Members pay for infrastructure upgrades. Line extension the member has to", "startTime": "00:43:12,914", "endTime": "00:43:15,882" }, { "index": 675, "text": "pay out of pocket to do that.", "startTime": "00:43:17,385", "endTime": "00:43:19,385" }, { "index": 676, "text": "It just comes down to knowing where and when that load is", "startTime": "00:43:20,989", "endTime": "00:43:23,957" }, { "index": 677, "text": "increasing and making sure we", "startTime": "00:43:24,192", "endTime": "00:43:26,192" }, { "index": 678, "text": "have the right infrastructure in place.", "startTime": "00:43:26,894", "endTime": "00:43:28,428" }, { "index": 679, "text": "I can't give you a specific answer to that question.", "startTime": "00:43:29,631", "endTime": "00:43:31,131" }, { "index": 680, "text": "I don't know if that helps.", "startTime": "00:43:32,166", "endTime": "00:43:34,166" }, { "index": 681, "text": "it does, yes.", "startTime": "00:43:34,369", "endTime": "00:43:36,369" }, { "index": 682, "text": "so we will move next to", "startTime": "00:43:37,405", "endTime": "00:43:39,405" }, { "index": 683, "text": "cascade natural gas. We do want to make sure we have", "startTime": "00:43:40,909", "endTime": "00:43:43,644" }, { "index": 684, "text": "time for discussion.", "startTime": "00:43:43,644", "endTime": "00:43:45,644" }, { "index": 685, "text": "There are slides from cng in that discussion.", "startTime": "00:43:47,148", "endTime": "00:43:49,683" }, { "index": 686, "text": "Starting the background slides", "startTime": "00:43:51,185", "endTime": "00:43:53,185" }, { "index": 687, "text": "and pause for questions and get", "startTime": "00:43:54,222", "endTime": "00:43:56,222" }, { "index": 688, "text": "into that.", "startTime": "00:43:56,691", "endTime": "00:43:58,691" }, { "index": 689, "text": "I will invite my colleague to", "startTime": "00:44:00,528", "endTime": "00:44:02,528" }, { "index": 690, "text": "start the presentation.", "startTime": "00:44:10,605", "endTime": "00:44:12,605" }, { "index": 691, "text": "good afternoon. Don moore.", "startTime": "00:44:12,907", "endTime": "00:44:14,341" }, { "index": 692, "text": "Region director for cascade natural gas.", "startTime": "00:44:15,100", "endTime": "00:44:16,977" }, { "index": 693, "text": "I support operations teams across oregon and washington.", "startTime": "00:44:18,460", "endTime": "00:44:21,150" }, { "index": 694, "text": "I grew up central oregon. I live here in bend.", "startTime": "00:44:21,750", "endTime": "00:44:24,618" }, { "index": 695, "text": "This is my first roundtable. I saw a roundtable on the invite", "startTime": "00:44:28,590", "endTime": "00:44:30,558" }, { "index": 696, "text": "and all of the city of bend information.", "startTime": "00:44:31,920", "endTime": "00:44:32,726" }, { "index": 697, "text": "Yet I was surprised when I walked in the room to see the", "startTime": "00:44:33,929", "endTime": "00:44:36,130" }, { "index": 698, "text": "table in this configuration.", "startTime": "00:44:38,200", "endTime": "00:44:40,200" }, { "index": 699, "text": "We appreciate the dialogue we have had with the city of bend.", "startTime": "00:44:40,202", "endTime": "00:44:43,137" }, { "index": 700, "text": "We want to continue discussions", "startTime": "00:44:43,438", "endTime": "00:44:45,438" }, { "index": 701, "text": "with the city what a well designed ordinance MAY look", "startTime": "00:44:45,841", "endTime": "00:44:48,100" }, { "index": 702, "text": "like.", "startTime": "00:44:48,100", "endTime": "00:44:50,100" }, { "index": 703, "text": "Specifically we want to ensure", "startTime": "00:44:50,812", "endTime": "00:44:52,812" }, { "index": 704, "text": "guardrails on housing", "startTime": "00:44:54,490", "endTime": "00:44:56,490" }, { "index": 705, "text": "affordability and energy", "startTime": "00:44:56,351", "endTime": "00:44:58,351" }, { "index": 706, "text": "reliable and path wades to recognize cascade investment in", "startTime": "00:44:58,420", "endTime": "00:45:01,155" }, { "index": 707, "text": "energy efficiency and low carbon", "startTime": "00:45:02,691", "endTime": "00:45:04,691" }, { "index": 708, "text": "solutions like renewable natural", "startTime": "00:45:05,194", "endTime": "00:45:07,194" }, { "index": 709, "text": "gas and dual fuel systems.", "startTime": "00:45:07,829", "endTime": "00:45:09,829" }, { "index": 710, "text": "If the proposal today doesn't take that into consideration we", "startTime": "00:45:10,566", "endTime": "00:45:12,934" }, { "index": 711, "text": "need to be realistic on the demand on the constrained system", "startTime": "00:45:15,737", "endTime": "00:45:18,573" }, { "index": 712, "text": "and environmental impact of", "startTime": "00:45:19,842", "endTime": "00:45:21,842" }, { "index": 713, "text": "generating that electricity. If the city policy does not", "startTime": "00:45:22,911", "endTime": "00:45:25,880" }, { "index": 714, "text": "account for that it MAY cause", "startTime": "00:45:26,515", "endTime": "00:45:28,515" }, { "index": 715, "text": "more problems than it solves.", "startTime": "00:45:30,719", "endTime": "00:45:32,719" }, { "index": 716, "text": "We hope to work with rather than against bend.", "startTime": "00:45:33,188", "endTime": "00:45:35,657" }, { "index": 717, "text": "We have a legal obligation to", "startTime": "00:45:36,958", "endTime": "00:45:38,958" }, { "index": 718, "text": "serve customers in bend and we", "startTime": "00:45:39,562", "endTime": "00:45:41,562" }, { "index": 719, "text": "think we can make a compelling", "startTime": "00:45:41,864", "endTime": "00:45:43,864" }, { "index": 720, "text": "case for keeping natural gas as", "startTime": "00:45:44,900", "endTime": "00:45:46,900" }, { "index": 721, "text": "pardon of the bend energy mix. We have been serving central", "startTime": "00:45:50,539", "endTime": "00:45:53,174" }, { "index": 722, "text": "oregon since 1960s.", "startTime": "00:45:53,809", "endTime": "00:45:55,809" }, { "index": 723, "text": "We have 62000 customers here in central oregon, 11 communities.", "startTime": "00:45:57,513", "endTime": "00:46:00,810" }, { "index": 724, "text": "To the far north madras and far south shamalt.", "startTime": "00:46:08,791", "endTime": "00:46:10,125" }, { "index": 725, "text": "We have 35 local employees 25", "startTime": "00:46:10,826", "endTime": "00:46:12,826" }, { "index": 726, "text": "are bargain unit employees. Partners at pacific power and", "startTime": "00:46:18,467", "endTime": "00:46:20,769" }, { "index": 727, "text": "central oregon electric", "startTime": "00:46:21,537", "endTime": "00:46:23,537" }, { "index": 728, "text": "mentioned resource adequacy.", "startTime": "00:46:24,373", "endTime": "00:46:26,373" }, { "index": 729, "text": "Cascade is not at odds with either of those utilities.", "startTime": "00:46:26,576", "endTime": "00:46:29,411" }, { "index": 730, "text": "In fact, inner dependence", "startTime": "00:46:31,581", "endTime": "00:46:33,581" }, { "index": 731, "text": "between natural gas and electric", "startTime": "00:46:34,450", "endTime": "00:46:36,450" }, { "index": 732, "text": "utilities is only increasing.", "startTime": "00:46:36,519", "endTime": "00:46:38,519" }, { "index": 733, "text": "We have sourced a study.", "startTime": "00:46:39,756", "endTime": "00:46:41,756" }, { "index": 734, "text": "Pacific northwest utilities", "startTime": "00:46:42,125", "endTime": "00:46:44,125" }, { "index": 735, "text": "conference committee regional", "startTime": "00:46:46,729", "endTime": "00:46:48,729" }, { "index": 736, "text": "forecast 2025 to 2035.", "startTime": "00:46:49,650", "endTime": "00:46:51,650" }, { "index": 737, "text": "It lays out in stark terms that", "startTime": "00:46:51,467", "endTime": "00:46:53,467" }, { "index": 738, "text": "the pacific northwest energy", "startTime": "00:46:55,138", "endTime": "00:46:57,138" }, { "index": 739, "text": "system is constrained.", "startTime": "00:46:57,306", "endTime": "00:46:59,306" }, { "index": 740, "text": "Now in the pacific northwest winter peak exceeds summer peak.", "startTime": "00:47:01,644", "endTime": "00:47:03,578" }, { "index": 741, "text": "When it gets really cold you", "startTime": "00:47:08,651", "endTime": "00:47:10,651" }, { "index": 742, "text": "need additional BTUs cascade provides.", "startTime": "00:47:11,487", "endTime": "00:47:14,289" }, { "index": 743, "text": "Extreme weather in JANUARY 14,", "startTime": "00:47:16,920", "endTime": "00:47:18,920" }, { "index": 744, "text": "2024 affected northwest including bend.", "startTime": "00:47:19,462", "endTime": "00:47:22,130" }, { "index": 745, "text": "During that 24 hour period", "startTime": "00:47:24,300", "endTime": "00:47:26,300" }, { "index": 746, "text": "during one hour period 607 he --", "startTime": "00:47:32,709", "endTime": "00:47:34,709" }, { "index": 747, "text": "70% of the energy gas came from natural gas.", "startTime": "00:47:37,747", "endTime": "00:47:39,615" }, { "index": 748, "text": "It is leaned on to provide capacity.", "startTime": "00:47:41,170", "endTime": "00:47:42,751" }, { "index": 749, "text": "That is there.", "startTime": "00:47:44,187", "endTime": "00:47:46,187" }, { "index": 750, "text": "Industry leaders in the 10 year forecast stressed urgency for", "startTime": "00:47:47,724", "endTime": "00:47:50,226" }, { "index": 751, "text": "coordination and investment in", "startTime": "00:47:51,628", "endTime": "00:47:53,628" }, { "index": 752, "text": "both natural gas and electric", "startTime": "00:47:54,264", "endTime": "00:47:56,264" }, { "index": 753, "text": "resources. Regional collaboration is", "startTime": "00:47:56,566", "endTime": "00:47:58,602" }, { "index": 754, "text": "essential. I believe you MAY not want", "startTime": "00:47:58,602", "endTime": "00:48:01,503" }, { "index": 755, "text": "natural gas but you need it.", "startTime": "00:48:05,976", "endTime": "00:48:07,976" }, { "index": 756, "text": "There is an interest and", "startTime": "00:48:08,178", "endTime": "00:48:10,178" }, { "index": 757, "text": "understanding local impact of emissions. Resource it is important to step", "startTime": "00:48:10,247", "endTime": "00:48:13,216" }, { "index": 758, "text": "back to understand the relative", "startTime": "00:48:13,850", "endTime": "00:48:15,850" }, { "index": 759, "text": "amount of emissions resource is", "startTime": "00:48:19,656", "endTime": "00:48:21,656" }, { "index": 760, "text": "from 2023 oregon department environmental quality.", "startTime": "00:48:22,159", "endTime": "00:48:24,927" }, { "index": 761, "text": "35% of all emissions in 2023", "startTime": "00:48:28,732", "endTime": "00:48:30,732" }, { "index": 762, "text": "transportation.", "startTime": "00:48:31,340", "endTime": "00:48:33,340" }, { "index": 763, "text": "29% electricity, 15% natural", "startTime": "00:48:33,870", "endTime": "00:48:35,870" }, { "index": 764, "text": "gas.", "startTime": "00:48:35,973", "endTime": "00:48:37,973" }, { "index": 765, "text": "3.4% of all emissions in 2023 were attributed to gas", "startTime": "00:48:40,143", "endTime": "00:48:42,512" }, { "index": 766, "text": "distributed by cascade.", "startTime": "00:48:42,713", "endTime": "00:48:44,713" }, { "index": 767, "text": "That is a small amount, cascade", "startTime": "00:48:46,160", "endTime": "00:48:48,160" }, { "index": 768, "text": "is investing in low carbon solutions.", "startTime": "00:48:48,952", "endTime": "00:48:50,953" }, { "index": 769, "text": "Like rmg and dual fuel systems.", "startTime": "00:48:53,557", "endTime": "00:48:55,557" }, { "index": 770, "text": "I will ask my colleague cole to", "startTime": "00:48:57,861", "endTime": "00:48:59,861" }, { "index": 771, "text": "share information about those", "startTime": "00:49:01,231", "endTime": "00:49:03,231" }, { "index": 772, "text": "investments. >> don, quick introduction.", "startTime": "00:49:17,810", "endTime": "00:49:18,681" }, { "index": 773, "text": "I am manager of industrial SERVICEs cascade natural gas", "startTime": "00:49:21,685", "endTime": "00:49:24,200" }, { "index": 774, "text": "focusing on renewable natural gas development.", "startTime": "00:49:28,759", "endTime": "00:49:30,126" }, { "index": 775, "text": "I have experience working at", "startTime": "00:49:31,796", "endTime": "00:49:33,796" }, { "index": 776, "text": "combination electric and gas utility and electric cooperative.", "startTime": "00:49:34,197", "endTime": "00:49:36,566" }, { "index": 777, "text": "That being said, I want to introduce you to some of the", "startTime": "00:49:37,501", "endTime": "00:49:40,336" }, { "index": 778, "text": "efforts cascade is doing. In", "startTime": "00:49:42,730", "endTime": "00:49:44,730" }, { "index": 779, "text": "addition to energy efficiency.", "startTime": "00:49:46,277", "endTime": "00:49:48,277" }, { "index": 780, "text": "Investments in participation r&d", "startTime": "00:49:49,413", "endTime": "00:49:51,413" }, { "index": 781, "text": "through gas technology. Renewable natural gas.", "startTime": "00:49:53,451", "endTime": "00:49:56,860" }, { "index": 782, "text": "Biogas is existing resource", "startTime": "00:50:01,250", "endTime": "00:50:03,250" }, { "index": 783, "text": "whether or not used or not is a good question.", "startTime": "00:50:03,294", "endTime": "00:50:04,627" }, { "index": 784, "text": "It is through decomposition of", "startTime": "00:50:07,231", "endTime": "00:50:09,231" }, { "index": 785, "text": "organic materials in landfills, waste water treatment,", "startTime": "00:50:11,100", "endTime": "00:50:13,603" }, { "index": 786, "text": "agricultural sites and so forth. Really we have avenues to", "startTime": "00:50:15,206", "endTime": "00:50:18,108" }, { "index": 787, "text": "repurpose this biogas.", "startTime": "00:50:19,944", "endTime": "00:50:21,944" }, { "index": 788, "text": "Refined upgraded to meet utility", "startTime": "00:50:24,749", "endTime": "00:50:26,749" }, { "index": 789, "text": "specifications and utilized in utility transportation.", "startTime": "00:50:26,851", "endTime": "00:50:29,619" }, { "index": 790, "text": "We make investments in renewable natural gas and we will discuss", "startTime": "00:50:30,922", "endTime": "00:50:33,423" }, { "index": 791, "text": "those shortly.", "startTime": "00:50:36,461", "endTime": "00:50:38,461" }, { "index": 792, "text": "Cascade renewable natural gas", "startTime": "00:50:38,529", "endTime": "00:50:40,529" }, { "index": 793, "text": "efforts are depicted here.", "startTime": "00:50:40,865", "endTime": "00:50:42,865" }, { "index": 794, "text": "Three projects renewable natural", "startTime": "00:50:44,350", "endTime": "00:50:46,350" }, { "index": 795, "text": "gas and two projects under development.", "startTime": "00:50:46,437", "endTime": "00:50:47,871" }, { "index": 796, "text": "One is locally at the knot landfill.", "startTime": "00:50:51,709", "endTime": "00:50:52,976" }, { "index": 797, "text": "Cascade will own and operate the natural gas plant to use that", "startTime": "00:50:57,810", "endTime": "00:50:58,716" }, { "index": 798, "text": "resource in the community.", "startTime": "00:50:59,217", "endTime": "00:51:01,217" }, { "index": 799, "text": "We are looking forward to the", "startTime": "00:51:01,319", "endTime": "00:51:03,319" }, { "index": 800, "text": "opportunity to capture that, refine and utilize for benefit", "startTime": "00:51:04,689", "endTime": "00:51:07,558" }, { "index": 801, "text": "of customers.", "startTime": "00:51:08,293", "endTime": "00:51:10,293" }, { "index": 802, "text": "Cascade efforts in renewable", "startTime": "00:51:12,130", "endTime": "00:51:14,130" }, { "index": 803, "text": "natural gas are landfills and wastewater treatment plant being.", "startTime": "00:51:17,200", "endTime": "00:51:18,736" }, { "index": 804, "text": "We have voluntary renewable gas program you can receive supply", "startTime": "00:51:22,240", "endTime": "00:51:24,141" }, { "index": 805, "text": "of", "startTime": "00:51:26,770", "endTime": "00:51:28,770" }, { "index": 806, "text": "gas that can help us drive our", "startTime": "00:51:29,681", "endTime": "00:51:31,681" }, { "index": 807, "text": "efforts in this emerging", "startTime": "00:51:33,418", "endTime": "00:51:35,418" }, { "index": 808, "text": "technology space. Additionally in bend we are", "startTime": "00:51:35,620", "endTime": "00:51:37,254" }, { "index": 809, "text": "working on dual fuel heat pump system program.", "startTime": "00:51:40,250", "endTime": "00:51:41,392" }, { "index": 810, "text": "This is trying to understand is", "startTime": "00:51:44,620", "endTime": "00:51:46,620" }, { "index": 811, "text": "utilization of dual fuel heat pumps.", "startTime": "00:51:46,131", "endTime": "00:51:47,665" }, { "index": 812, "text": "Can this be better system that", "startTime": "00:51:48,767", "endTime": "00:51:50,767" }, { "index": 813, "text": "can benefit both electric and natural gas companies", "startTime": "00:51:50,936", "endTime": "00:51:53,471" }, { "index": 814, "text": "alleviating demand constraints", "startTime": "00:51:54,206", "endTime": "00:51:56,206" }, { "index": 815, "text": "existing or future demand constraints.", "startTime": "00:51:56,208", "endTime": "00:51:57,942" }, { "index": 816, "text": "While also leveraging heating", "startTime": "00:51:59,578", "endTime": "00:52:01,578" }, { "index": 817, "text": "cooling for customers more cost-effective both summer and", "startTime": "00:52:05,483", "endTime": "00:52:08,190" }, { "index": 818, "text": "winter. We believe it has great", "startTime": "00:52:08,487", "endTime": "00:52:10,955" }, { "index": 819, "text": "opportunity to benefit both constrainted grid and meet", "startTime": "00:52:14,960", "endTime": "00:52:16,494" }, { "index": 820, "text": "customer needs in local area and", "startTime": "00:52:17,963", "endTime": "00:52:19,963" }, { "index": 821, "text": "expanded service territories.", "startTime": "00:52:21,133", "endTime": "00:52:23,133" }, { "index": 822, "text": "I will ask to pause and check", "startTime": "00:52:23,335", "endTime": "00:52:25,335" }, { "index": 823, "text": "in with questions so far.", "startTime": "00:52:32,244", "endTime": "00:52:34,244" }, { "index": 824, "text": "R and g this is a time to ask", "startTime": "00:52:35,481", "endTime": "00:52:37,481" }, { "index": 825, "text": "questions before the policy.", "startTime": "00:52:39,218", "endTime": "00:52:41,218" }, { "index": 826, "text": "your colleague said 3.4% of", "startTime": "00:52:44,123", "endTime": "00:52:46,123" }, { "index": 827, "text": "all emissions.", "startTime": "00:52:46,993", "endTime": "00:52:48,993" }, { "index": 828, "text": "Attributed to cascade natural gas.", "startTime": "00:52:49,361", "endTime": "00:52:50,540" }, { "index": 829, "text": "Does that include emissions", "startTime": "00:52:55,501", "endTime": "00:52:57,501" }, { "index": 830, "text": "attributed to distribution leaks?", "startTime": "00:52:58,470", "endTime": "00:53:00,400" }, { "index": 831, "text": "when you say distribution.", "startTime": "00:53:01,173", "endTime": "00:53:03,173" }, { "index": 832, "text": "These emissions are to the", "startTime": "00:53:03,242", "endTime": "00:53:05,242" }, { "index": 833, "text": "volumes we provide new customers customers.", "startTime": "00:53:07,613", "endTime": "00:53:09,714" }, { "index": 834, "text": "In use molecules we report on.", "startTime": "00:53:11,584", "endTime": "00:53:13,584" }, { "index": 835, "text": "When you talk about transportation can you provide", "startTime": "00:53:13,986", "endTime": "00:53:16,421" }, { "index": 836, "text": "more context?", "startTime": "00:53:17,923", "endTime": "00:53:19,923" }, { "index": 837, "text": "I am hearing no.", "startTime": "00:53:20,459", "endTime": "00:53:22,459" }, { "index": 838, "text": "Would not account for distribution leaks?", "startTime": "00:53:23,729", "endTime": "00:53:25,296" }, { "index": 839, "text": "I can answer that question. >> so we can make sure it is on", "startTime": "00:53:27,900", "endTime": "00:53:30,869" }, { "index": 840, "text": "the recording.", "startTime": "00:53:33,390", "endTime": "00:53:35,390" }, { "index": 841, "text": "Systems emissions. >> I didn't hear that.", "startTime": "00:53:35,308", "endTime": "00:53:37,742" }, { "index": 842, "text": "it is called system emissions", "startTime": "00:53:39,278", "endTime": "00:53:41,278" }, { "index": 843, "text": "and gas distributed.", "startTime": "00:53:42,248", "endTime": "00:53:44,248" }, { "index": 844, "text": "other questions. Sarah.", "startTime": "00:53:44,850", "endTime": "00:53:46,500" }, { "index": 845, "text": "I am curious about results of dual fuel heat pump.", "startTime": "00:53:49,488", "endTime": "00:53:51,690" }, { "index": 846, "text": "What data you expect to share and what that would be shared", "startTime": "00:53:52,224", "endTime": "00:53:54,960" }, { "index": 847, "text": "with the community. >> reference there the gas", "startTime": "00:53:56,395", "endTime": "00:53:58,597" }, { "index": 848, "text": "technology institute is project partner.", "startTime": "00:53:58,597", "endTime": "00:54:00,165" }, { "index": 849, "text": "They are active in utility", "startTime": "00:54:01,667", "endTime": "00:54:03,667" }, { "index": 850, "text": "industry for pilots and research and development opportunities.", "startTime": "00:54:05,380", "endTime": "00:54:07,140" }, { "index": 851, "text": "Presentation that was presented", "startTime": "00:54:07,140", "endTime": "00:54:09,140" }, { "index": 852, "text": "a few weeks ago at a large industry conference.", "startTime": "00:54:10,410", "endTime": "00:54:13,245" }, { "index": 853, "text": "Publicly available. Preliminary findings can be", "startTime": "00:54:14,280", "endTime": "00:54:17,116" }, { "index": 854, "text": "referenced now then full findings anticipated to be in", "startTime": "00:54:17,650", "endTime": "00:54:20,185" }, { "index": 855, "text": "about a year.", "startTime": "00:54:22,989", "endTime": "00:54:24,989" }, { "index": 856, "text": "Looking to utilize over a full calendar year to understand how", "startTime": "00:54:27,160", "endTime": "00:54:29,862" }, { "index": 857, "text": "they operate for our customers. >> mike. >> can you talk about the full", "startTime": "00:54:31,431", "endTime": "00:54:34,320" }, { "index": 858, "text": "cost to deliver r and g to", "startTime": "00:54:39,372", "endTime": "00:54:41,372" }, { "index": 859, "text": "capital plus deliver recompared", "startTime": "00:54:42,442", "endTime": "00:54:44,442" }, { "index": 860, "text": "to cost of natural gas.", "startTime": "00:54:45,512", "endTime": "00:54:47,512" }, { "index": 861, "text": "What is magnitude. >> renewable gas is more", "startTime": "00:54:50,830", "endTime": "00:54:52,485" }, { "index": 862, "text": "expensive.", "startTime": "00:54:52,485", "endTime": "00:54:54,485" }, { "index": 863, "text": "We are to comply with regulations.", "startTime": "00:54:55,889", "endTime": "00:54:57,322" }, { "index": 864, "text": "At time of evaluations it was", "startTime": "00:54:59,259", "endTime": "00:55:01,259" }, { "index": 865, "text": "most cost-effective to meet obligations.", "startTime": "00:55:01,895", "endTime": "00:55:03,862" }, { "index": 866, "text": "Scope and scale.", "startTime": "00:55:03,896", "endTime": "00:55:05,896" }, { "index": 867, "text": "My understanding based on previous analysis.", "startTime": "00:55:06,599", "endTime": "00:55:09,401" }, { "index": 868, "text": "[Inaudible]", "startTime": "00:55:10,637", "endTime": "00:55:12,637" }, { "index": 869, "text": "Higher offsetting needs for gas supply.", "startTime": "00:55:12,939", "endTime": "00:55:14,740" }, { "index": 870, "text": "Those equivalent volumes on", "startTime": "00:55:16,420", "endTime": "00:55:18,420" }, { "index": 871, "text": "board injecting are serving needs of environmental", "startTime": "00:55:19,212", "endTime": "00:55:21,380" }, { "index": 872, "text": "requirements and offsetting", "startTime": "00:55:23,150", "endTime": "00:55:25,150" }, { "index": 873, "text": "natural gas volumes we would", "startTime": "00:55:25,852", "endTime": "00:55:27,852" }, { "index": 874, "text": "typically source from fossil fuel. >> steve. >> I am interested in the", "startTime": "00:55:28,922", "endTime": "00:55:31,824" }, { "index": 875, "text": "landfill capture locally.", "startTime": "00:55:32,590", "endTime": "00:55:34,590" }, { "index": 876, "text": "How it is flared off. Two questions.", "startTime": "00:55:34,594", "endTime": "00:55:36,762" }, { "index": 877, "text": "How many homes could be heated using that?", "startTime": "00:55:41,680", "endTime": "00:55:42,568" }, { "index": 878, "text": "What is expected timelie to get usable renewable natural gas off", "startTime": "00:55:45,710", "endTime": "00:55:48,400" }, { "index": 879, "text": "that site?", "startTime": "00:55:48,241", "endTime": "00:55:50,241" }, { "index": 880, "text": "if you don't mind pivoting back one slide.", "startTime": "00:55:53,413", "endTime": "00:55:55,715" }, { "index": 881, "text": "In state of oregon customers in", "startTime": "00:55:57,551", "endTime": "00:55:59,551" }, { "index": 882, "text": "last evaluation last year 672 terms.", "startTime": "00:56:03,624", "endTime": "00:56:05,458" }, { "index": 883, "text": "Anticipated injecting 2.5 million terms.", "startTime": "00:56:08,610", "endTime": "00:56:10,296" }, { "index": 884, "text": "3700 homes worth of gas", "startTime": "00:56:11,565", "endTime": "00:56:13,565" }, { "index": 885, "text": "associated with our volumes there.", "startTime": "00:56:15,169", "endTime": "00:56:17,203" }, { "index": 886, "text": "As far as lifespan.", "startTime": "00:56:17,738", "endTime": "00:56:19,738" }, { "index": 887, "text": "I will acknowledge the fact the knot landfill is scheduled to close.", "startTime": "00:56:21,608", "endTime": "00:56:24,428" }, { "index": 888, "text": "That is to move forward with this opportunity, this plant", "startTime": "00:56:25,713", "endTime": "00:56:28,548" }, { "index": 889, "text": "will utilize gas continually", "startTime": "00:56:29,650", "endTime": "00:56:31,650" }, { "index": 890, "text": "generated over the lifetime which we are involved for 20", "startTime": "00:56:32,319", "endTime": "00:56:34,989" }, { "index": 891, "text": "year period.", "startTime": "00:56:34,989", "endTime": "00:56:36,989" }, { "index": 892, "text": "There will be renewable natural gas sourced from that site for", "startTime": "00:56:37,191", "endTime": "00:56:39,826" }, { "index": 893, "text": "at least the next 20 years.", "startTime": "00:56:41,996", "endTime": "00:56:43,996" }, { "index": 894, "text": "3700 homes off that site? >> that's correct. >> thanks.", "startTime": "00:56:47,401", "endTime": "00:56:49,903" }, { "index": 895, "text": "any other questions?", "startTime": "00:56:50,371", "endTime": "00:56:52,371" }, { "index": 896, "text": "go ahead. >> my understanding r and g from", "startTime": "00:56:54,108", "endTime": "00:56:56,776" }, { "index": 897, "text": "a variety of feedstocks.", "startTime": "00:56:59,613", "endTime": "00:57:01,613" }, { "index": 898, "text": "Dairyman neurojects withdairyman now", "startTime": "00:57:07,540", "endTime": "00:57:09,540" }, { "index": 899, "text": "dairy and man new.", "startTime": "00:57:13,261", "endTime": "00:57:15,261" }, { "index": 900, "text": "Is cascade uses environmental", "startTime": "00:57:17,365", "endTime": "00:57:19,365" }, { "index": 901, "text": "attributes from that gas? >> you are correct in the fact", "startTime": "00:57:19,433", "endTime": "00:57:22,680" }, { "index": 902, "text": "that different r and g sources", "startTime": "00:57:23,471", "endTime": "00:57:25,471" }, { "index": 903, "text": "have different carbon intensity associated with them.", "startTime": "00:57:26,440", "endTime": "00:57:28,976" }, { "index": 904, "text": "Company is not involved with anything with dairy.", "startTime": "00:57:29,277", "endTime": "00:57:31,811" }, { "index": 905, "text": "Reason is most of those projects", "startTime": "00:57:32,780", "endTime": "00:57:34,780" }, { "index": 906, "text": "are sourced in the low carbon", "startTime": "00:57:36,851", "endTime": "00:57:38,851" }, { "index": 907, "text": "fuel standard in transportation", "startTime": "00:57:39,921", "endTime": "00:57:41,921" }, { "index": 908, "text": "industry bigger financial driver.", "startTime": "00:57:42,123", "endTime": "00:57:44,591" }, { "index": 909, "text": "Federally mandated.", "startTime": "00:57:47,962", "endTime": "00:57:49,962" }, { "index": 910, "text": "For purposes of compliance in", "startTime": "00:57:50,765", "endTime": "00:57:52,765" }, { "index": 911, "text": "oregon more carbon agonotic.", "startTime": "00:57:55,300", "endTime": "00:57:57,300" }, { "index": 912, "text": "Not necessarily focusing on larger investments with dairy", "startTime": "00:57:57,171", "endTime": "00:58:00,107" }, { "index": 913, "text": "facility with large digester to to be installed.", "startTime": "00:58:02,310", "endTime": "00:58:03,710" }, { "index": 914, "text": "Not something we are currently involved in.", "startTime": "00:58:04,479", "endTime": "00:58:06,280" }, { "index": 915, "text": "Not saying won't be involved in the future depending on the", "startTime": "00:58:06,881", "endTime": "00:58:09,516" }, { "index": 916, "text": "state policies.", "startTime": "00:58:09,951", "endTime": "00:58:11,951" }, { "index": 917, "text": "if cascade gets involved in", "startTime": "00:58:12,120", "endTime": "00:58:14,120" }, { "index": 918, "text": "the future those attributes", "startTime": "00:58:14,756", "endTime": "00:58:16,756" }, { "index": 919, "text": "don't help with the cpp", "startTime": "00:58:16,858", "endTime": "00:58:18,858" }, { "index": 920, "text": "compliance is that correct understanding?", "startTime": "00:58:19,694", "endTime": "00:58:22,530" }, { "index": 921, "text": "Depending how we are involved with the project we have", "startTime": "00:58:22,530", "endTime": "00:58:25,660" }, { "index": 922, "text": "different structures. Carbon compliance could be", "startTime": "00:58:27,268", "endTime": "00:58:30,204" }, { "index": 923, "text": "sourced and utilized if we are", "startTime": "00:58:31,940", "endTime": "00:58:33,940" }, { "index": 924, "text": "involved with that project. Methane, raw gas and environment", "startTime": "00:58:38,246", "endTime": "00:58:41,148" }, { "index": 925, "text": "tell attributes associated.", "startTime": "00:58:42,830", "endTime": "00:58:44,830" }, { "index": 926, "text": "anyone else with a question?", "startTime": "00:58:44,619", "endTime": "00:58:46,619" }, { "index": 927, "text": "What I will ask cascade to do.", "startTime": "00:58:49,124", "endTime": "00:58:51,124" }, { "index": 928, "text": "Next slides are general feedback. Skip to implementation to make", "startTime": "00:58:51,660", "endTime": "00:58:53,961" }, { "index": 929, "text": "sure we get on record your", "startTime": "00:58:55,300", "endTime": "00:58:57,300" }, { "index": 930, "text": "feedback on implementation timeframe and exemptions that", "startTime": "00:58:58,700", "endTime": "00:59:00,334" }, { "index": 931, "text": "are two things we are discussing today.", "startTime": "00:59:01,169", "endTime": "00:59:03,270" }, { "index": 932, "text": "Move to that slide and whoever", "startTime": "00:59:04,673", "endTime": "00:59:06,673" }, { "index": 933, "text": "is presenting on that slide for implementation timeframe.", "startTime": "00:59:08,944", "endTime": "00:59:11,646" }, { "index": 934, "text": "I would be glad to speak to that.", "startTime": "00:59:13,515", "endTime": "00:59:15,716" }, { "index": 935, "text": "Alyn spector from cascade natural gas.", "startTime": "00:59:17,190", "endTime": "00:59:19,190" }, { "index": 936, "text": "I appreciate the opportunity to speak at round table about", "startTime": "00:59:20,356", "endTime": "00:59:22,523" }, { "index": 937, "text": "potential ways to avoid", "startTime": "00:59:24,359", "endTime": "00:59:26,359" }, { "index": 938, "text": "unintended consequences of a potential fee.", "startTime": "00:59:26,662", "endTime": "00:59:28,729" }, { "index": 939, "text": "First, we feel strongly especially after hearing", "startTime": "00:59:29,598", "endTime": "00:59:31,699" }, { "index": 940, "text": "feedback of electric utilities", "startTime": "00:59:33,435", "endTime": "00:59:35,435" }, { "index": 941, "text": "that until compliance is", "startTime": "00:59:36,605", "endTime": "00:59:38,605" }, { "index": 942, "text": "demonstrated with hb2021 there", "startTime": "00:59:39,700", "endTime": "00:59:41,700" }, { "index": 943, "text": "is no guarantee it is going to", "startTime": "00:59:41,577", "endTime": "00:59:43,577" }, { "index": 944, "text": "reduce carbon emissions. To put this in place.", "startTime": "00:59:43,812", "endTime": "00:59:46,681" }, { "index": 945, "text": "We would ask that at the very least pacific power will have results this summer.", "startTime": "00:59:49,840", "endTime": "00:59:51,619" }, { "index": 946, "text": "That is critical information and they are able to meet their", "startTime": "00:59:53,622", "endTime": "00:59:56,557" }, { "index": 947, "text": "goals, the ordinance shouldn't move forward.", "startTime": "00:59:57,660", "endTime": "01:00:00,295" }, { "index": 948, "text": "Likewise, we have been working", "startTime": "01:00:00,295", "endTime": "01:00:02,295" }, { "index": 949, "text": "with the city with the dual fuel", "startTime": "01:00:03,332", "endTime": "01:00:05,332" }, { "index": 950, "text": "pilot we put together that pairs electric heat pump and gas", "startTime": "01:00:07,436", "endTime": "01:00:09,904" }, { "index": 951, "text": "furnace to allow each to do what", "startTime": "01:00:10,105", "endTime": "01:00:12,105" }, { "index": 952, "text": "they do best.", "startTime": "01:00:12,308", "endTime": "01:00:14,308" }, { "index": 953, "text": "Full findings integrated in MARCH 2027.", "startTime": "01:00:16,780", "endTime": "01:00:17,378" }, { "index": 954, "text": "We would love to have that pilot complete and provide that data", "startTime": "01:00:18,514", "endTime": "01:00:20,916" }, { "index": 955, "text": "to the city to help inform what moves forward.", "startTime": "01:00:22,885", "endTime": "01:00:24,886" }, { "index": 956, "text": "If the ordinance does pass we encourage the city explore this", "startTime": "01:00:26,722", "endTime": "01:00:29,491" }, { "index": 957, "text": "as multiyear pilot program. Implementation phased in overtime.", "startTime": "01:00:31,227", "endTime": "01:00:33,828" }, { "index": 958, "text": "I think it is very important to pay attention to impacts to", "startTime": "01:00:34,630", "endTime": "01:00:37,320" }, { "index": 959, "text": "energy costs, to demand on grid for resource adequacy.", "startTime": "01:00:39,135", "endTime": "01:00:41,803" }, { "index": 960, "text": "Impacts to carbon to make sure", "startTime": "01:00:42,438", "endTime": "01:00:44,438" }, { "index": 961, "text": "we are avoiding unintended consequences.", "startTime": "01:00:45,741", "endTime": "01:00:48,143" }, { "index": 962, "text": "Because some of this analysis that the city had shared in", "startTime": "01:00:49,545", "endTime": "01:00:52,214" }, { "index": 963, "text": "previous discussion showed", "startTime": "01:00:53,716", "endTime": "01:00:55,716" }, { "index": 964, "text": "potential for carbon to increase.", "startTime": "01:00:57,419", "endTime": "01:00:58,687" }, { "index": 965, "text": "at least until such time as", "startTime": "01:01:01,524", "endTime": "01:01:03,524" }, { "index": 966, "text": "pacific power was meeting hb", "startTime": "01:01:05,928", "endTime": "01:01:07,928" }, { "index": 967, "text": "hb2021.", "startTime": "01:01:08,300", "endTime": "01:01:10,300" }, { "index": 968, "text": "Language also mandate that it be", "startTime": "01:01:11,134", "endTime": "01:01:13,134" }, { "index": 969, "text": "discontinued if there are", "startTime": "01:01:13,769", "endTime": "01:01:15,769" }, { "index": 970, "text": "resource adequacy issues,", "startTime": "01:01:17,840", "endTime": "01:01:19,840" }, { "index": 971, "text": "targets not met or increases observed.", "startTime": "01:01:20,576", "endTime": "01:01:21,843" }, { "index": 972, "text": "We know the city would be transparent on this.", "startTime": "01:01:23,613", "endTime": "01:01:25,847" }, { "index": 973, "text": "We want to re-enforce revenue allocation should be transparent", "startTime": "01:01:28,151", "endTime": "01:01:29,985" }, { "index": 974, "text": "to the public. Modifications to strengthen", "startTime": "01:01:35,124", "endTime": "01:01:37,759" }, { "index": 975, "text": "ordinance avoid unintended consequences.", "startTime": "01:01:38,962", "endTime": "01:01:40,396" }, { "index": 976, "text": "Like we said, it is very", "startTime": "01:01:41,130", "endTime": "01:01:43,130" }, { "index": 977, "text": "important to consider utility's capacity to meet state carbon", "startTime": "01:01:43,967", "endTime": "01:01:46,936" }, { "index": 978, "text": "goals, look from a full fuel", "startTime": "01:01:50,206", "endTime": "01:01:52,206" }, { "index": 979, "text": "cycle electric and gas gas", "startTime": "01:01:54,277", "endTime": "01:01:56,277" }, { "index": 980, "text": "perspective as well. Pacific power ability to meet", "startTime": "01:01:57,113", "endTime": "01:01:59,148" }, { "index": 981, "text": "2021 or looking electric fuel", "startTime": "01:02:02,819", "endTime": "01:02:04,819" }, { "index": 982, "text": "mix as r and g is put into our", "startTime": "01:02:04,821", "endTime": "01:02:06,821" }, { "index": 983, "text": "planning documents and shown to", "startTime": "01:02:06,823", "endTime": "01:02:08,823" }, { "index": 984, "text": "comply with cpp, we ask that be taken into consideration when", "startTime": "01:02:11,761", "endTime": "01:02:13,362" }, { "index": 985, "text": "you are looking at incremental carbon.", "startTime": "01:02:13,797", "endTime": "01:02:15,364" }, { "index": 986, "text": "In terms of utility system.", "startTime": "01:02:16,967", "endTime": "01:02:18,967" }, { "index": 987, "text": "It is critical that before this ordinance is forwarded that", "startTime": "01:02:20,360", "endTime": "01:02:22,438" }, { "index": 988, "text": "there be an analysis of winter", "startTime": "01:02:24,708", "endTime": "01:02:26,708" }, { "index": 989, "text": "peak impacts to ensure that", "startTime": "01:02:28,110", "endTime": "01:02:30,110" }, { "index": 990, "text": "displaced demand can be met by the electric utilities.", "startTime": "01:02:31,915", "endTime": "01:02:34,483" }, { "index": 991, "text": "Keeping an eye on potential off raches.", "startTime": "01:02:36,987", "endTime": "01:02:38,754" }, { "index": 992, "text": "The electric utilities experience infrastructure", "startTime": "01:02:42,993", "endTime": "01:02:44,560" }, { "index": 993, "text": "constraints. If the intent of this ordinance", "startTime": "01:02:45,195", "endTime": "01:02:47,529" }, { "index": 994, "text": "to reduce carbon, pathways for", "startTime": "01:02:49,232", "endTime": "01:02:51,232" }, { "index": 995, "text": "low efficiency electric", "startTime": "01:02:54,604", "endTime": "01:02:56,604" }, { "index": 996, "text": "equipment be eliminated.", "startTime": "01:02:57,674", "endTime": "01:02:59,674" }, { "index": 997, "text": "So in terms of exemptions.", "startTime": "01:03:00,177", "endTime": "01:03:02,177" }, { "index": 998, "text": "I'm sure a lot of folks at the", "startTime": "01:03:04,348", "endTime": "01:03:06,348" }, { "index": 999, "text": "table have feedback. We would love to see an", "startTime": "01:03:06,416", "endTime": "01:03:09,352" }, { "index": 1000, "text": "exemption for affordable housing", "startTime": "01:03:10,200", "endTime": "01:03:12,200" }, { "index": 1001, "text": "and housing for first time home buyers, understanding that bend", "startTime": "01:03:13,900", "endTime": "01:03:15,625" }, { "index": 1002, "text": "is struggling with housing affordability issues.", "startTime": "01:03:17,561", "endTime": "01:03:19,328" }, { "index": 1003, "text": "I think that just as members of the community we want to make", "startTime": "01:03:21,932", "endTime": "01:03:23,933" }, { "index": 1004, "text": "sure the folks that work in bend", "startTime": "01:03:25,136", "endTime": "01:03:27,136" }, { "index": 1005, "text": "are able to live in bend as well.", "startTime": "01:03:29,173", "endTime": "01:03:30,940" }, { "index": 1006, "text": "Have potential delays on the exemption for the fee.", "startTime": "01:03:34,780", "endTime": "01:03:36,790" }, { "index": 1007, "text": "If there are impacts to development or if there is", "startTime": "01:03:36,947", "endTime": "01:03:39,349" }, { "index": 1008, "text": "delays that result from infrastructure constraints for", "startTime": "01:03:41,318", "endTime": "01:03:44,153" }, { "index": 1009, "text": "incremental electric demand. Making sure infrastructure can", "startTime": "01:03:46,560", "endTime": "01:03:48,791" }, { "index": 1010, "text": "be built out to meet demand displaced by gas.", "startTime": "01:03:50,628", "endTime": "01:03:52,495" }, { "index": 1011, "text": "If we are able to comply with", "startTime": "01:03:53,464", "endTime": "01:03:55,464" }, { "index": 1012, "text": "the climate protection program,", "startTime": "01:03:56,366", "endTime": "01:03:58,366" }, { "index": 1013, "text": "there is a risk of of", "startTime": "01:03:58,936", "endTime": "01:04:00,117" }, { "index": 1014, "text": "risk of redone dancy", "startTime": "01:04:02,239", "endTime": "01:04:04,239" }, { "index": 1015, "text": "in design of ordinance.", "startTime": "01:04:04,275", "endTime": "01:04:06,275" }, { "index": 1016, "text": "If we are in good faith", "startTime": "01:04:06,910", "endTime": "01:04:08,910" }, { "index": 1017, "text": "complying with cpp fee remain dormant unless we are not able", "startTime": "01:04:10,815", "endTime": "01:04:12,782" }, { "index": 1018, "text": "to make compliance. The other piece.", "startTime": "01:04:13,417", "endTime": "01:04:15,719" }, { "index": 1019, "text": "Gas plays a critical role in resource adequacy.", "startTime": "01:04:17,121", "endTime": "01:04:20,900" }, { "index": 1020, "text": "Gas and electric system work", "startTime": "01:04:20,858", "endTime": "01:04:22,858" }, { "index": 1021, "text": "together very effective way.", "startTime": "01:04:23,494", "endTime": "01:04:25,494" }, { "index": 1022, "text": "We ask dual fuel and emergency back up health and safety value", "startTime": "01:04:29,934", "endTime": "01:04:32,802" }, { "index": 1023, "text": "to homeowners to have that dual", "startTime": "01:04:37,508", "endTime": "01:04:39,508" }, { "index": 1024, "text": "fuel system except in the fee. Reductions.", "startTime": "01:04:40,111", "endTime": "01:04:41,411" }, { "index": 1025, "text": "Backing off the incremental", "startTime": "01:04:43,247", "endTime": "01:04:45,247" }, { "index": 1026, "text": "carbon from amount of r and g in", "startTime": "01:04:49,654", "endTime": "01:04:51,654" }, { "index": 1027, "text": "system through integrated resource plan.", "startTime": "01:04:52,690", "endTime": "01:04:55,559" }, { "index": 1028, "text": "Really what we are saying is we", "startTime": "01:04:57,962", "endTime": "01:04:59,962" }, { "index": 1029, "text": "can't afford to have the fee", "startTime": "01:05:00,131", "endTime": "01:05:02,131" }, { "index": 1030, "text": "raising energy costs and carbon.", "startTime": "01:05:02,533", "endTime": "01:05:04,533" }, { "index": 1031, "text": "That just means making sure that", "startTime": "01:05:05,269", "endTime": "01:05:07,269" }, { "index": 1032, "text": "this is done the right way, that", "startTime": "01:05:07,472", "endTime": "01:05:09,472" }, { "index": 1033, "text": "the correct analysis goes into", "startTime": "01:05:09,741", "endTime": "01:05:11,741" }, { "index": 1034, "text": "the design of the ordinance and", "startTime": "01:05:15,113", "endTime": "01:05:17,113" }, { "index": 1035, "text": "that until carbon targets are", "startTime": "01:05:18,716", "endTime": "01:05:20,716" }, { "index": 1036, "text": "met, electrification targets are", "startTime": "01:05:20,919", "endTime": "01:05:22,919" }, { "index": 1037, "text": "met, this fee lie dormants. It is not decarbonization.", "startTime": "01:05:27,859", "endTime": "01:05:30,694" }, { "index": 1038, "text": "As previous city presentations have shown.", "startTime": "01:05:32,897", "endTime": "01:05:34,198" }, { "index": 1039, "text": "There is a risk for some path", "startTime": "01:05:37,436", "endTime": "01:05:39,436" }, { "index": 1040, "text": "ways with lower efficiency", "startTime": "01:05:39,437", "endTime": "01:05:41,437" }, { "index": 1041, "text": "equipment until the targets met", "startTime": "01:05:42,173", "endTime": "01:05:44,173" }, { "index": 1042, "text": "with 2021, carbon MAY increase.", "startTime": "01:05:45,777", "endTime": "01:05:47,777" }, { "index": 1043, "text": "Keep that in mind. We feel like ordinance should be", "startTime": "01:05:48,680", "endTime": "01:05:51,516" }, { "index": 1044, "text": "delayed until 2021 can be met.", "startTime": "01:05:55,520", "endTime": "01:05:57,520" }, { "index": 1045, "text": "We want to avoid duplicate fees by waiving charge if in compliance with climate", "startTime": "01:06:00,580", "endTime": "01:06:03,270" }, { "index": 1046, "text": "protection and delaying", "startTime": "01:06:05,630", "endTime": "01:06:07,630" }, { "index": 1047, "text": "ordinance until hybrid study complete. We are glad to continue to work", "startTime": "01:06:07,699", "endTime": "01:06:10,367" }, { "index": 1048, "text": "with the city to help forward", "startTime": "01:06:14,840", "endTime": "01:06:16,840" }, { "index": 1049, "text": "decarbonization solutions. We appreciate the time.", "startTime": "01:06:18,343", "endTime": "01:06:20,978" }, { "index": 1050, "text": "that is a good transition to", "startTime": "01:06:21,947", "endTime": "01:06:23,947" }, { "index": 1051, "text": "the discussion around these two categories, cascade gave input", "startTime": "01:06:26,818", "endTime": "01:06:28,652" }, { "index": 1052, "text": "to implementation timeline and exception. Cassie has a couple slides.", "startTime": "01:06:31,823", "endTime": "01:06:34,525" }, { "index": 1053, "text": "I want folks to give perspective", "startTime": "01:06:36,361", "endTime": "01:06:38,361" }, { "index": 1054, "text": "on those two things as well. What are the things on the list", "startTime": "01:06:38,764", "endTime": "01:06:41,198" }, { "index": 1055, "text": "you you agree or disagree with? What should the city do in these", "startTime": "01:06:42,934", "endTime": "01:06:45,670" }, { "index": 1056, "text": "two areas.", "startTime": "01:06:47,473", "endTime": "01:06:49,473" }, { "index": 1057, "text": "Cassie will get us starting with exemptions.", "startTime": "01:06:49,975", "endTime": "01:06:51,309" }, { "index": 1058, "text": "two topics we are looking for", "startTime": "01:06:53,440", "endTime": "01:06:55,440" }, { "index": 1059, "text": "input on.", "startTime": "01:06:56,381", "endTime": "01:06:58,381" }, { "index": 1060, "text": "Exceptions and implementation.", "startTime": "01:07:00,953", "endTime": "01:07:02,953" }, { "index": 1061, "text": "Exemptions we have three topics or ideas.", "startTime": "01:07:05,757", "endTime": "01:07:07,250" }, { "index": 1062, "text": "Some came up from our utility presenters and other discussions", "startTime": "01:07:08,727", "endTime": "01:07:10,795" }, { "index": 1063, "text": "with the council or community members.", "startTime": "01:07:11,897", "endTime": "01:07:13,631" }, { "index": 1064, "text": "The three topics we would like feedback on.", "startTime": "01:07:16,402", "endTime": "01:07:17,702" }, { "index": 1065, "text": "Whether there should be exemption for deed restricted", "startTime": "01:07:19,738", "endTime": "01:07:21,706" }, { "index": 1066, "text": "affordable housing, homes with", "startTime": "01:07:25,440", "endTime": "01:07:27,440" }, { "index": 1067, "text": "dual fuel heat pumps and homes using renewable natural gas.", "startTime": "01:07:27,179", "endTime": "01:07:29,814" }, { "index": 1068, "text": "I think conversation on", "startTime": "01:07:32,418", "endTime": "01:07:34,418" }, { "index": 1069, "text": "renewable natural gas as we thought about this in the last", "startTime": "01:07:34,453", "endTime": "01:07:36,588" }, { "index": 1070, "text": "week.", "startTime": "01:07:37,323", "endTime": "01:07:39,323" }, { "index": 1071, "text": "It feels it MAY be challenging", "startTime": "01:07:43,196", "endTime": "01:07:45,196" }, { "index": 1072, "text": "to exempt a single home.", "startTime": "01:07:45,464", "endTime": "01:07:47,464" }, { "index": 1073, "text": "More broadly should there becomedation for use of", "startTime": "01:07:48,734", "endTime": "01:07:50,902" }, { "index": 1074, "text": "renewable natural gas on individual home basis or", "startTime": "01:07:51,671", "endTime": "01:07:54,339" }, { "index": 1075, "text": "potentially as cascade proposed", "startTime": "01:07:55,541", "endTime": "01:07:57,541" }, { "index": 1076, "text": "that it would be factored into the fee equation.", "startTime": "01:07:59,450", "endTime": "01:08:01,346" }, { "index": 1077, "text": "The mix of the fee equation and", "startTime": "01:08:02,748", "endTime": "01:08:04,748" }, { "index": 1078, "text": "then it would be adjusted system-wide.", "startTime": "01:08:06,552", "endTime": "01:08:07,853" }, { "index": 1079, "text": "Those are the three ideas.", "startTime": "01:08:10,356", "endTime": "01:08:12,356" }, { "index": 1080, "text": "Affordable housing, rng and", "startTime": "01:08:13,192", "endTime": "01:08:15,192" }, { "index": 1081, "text": "other additional ideas from round table participants.", "startTime": "01:08:17,630", "endTime": "01:08:19,698" }, { "index": 1082, "text": "for our participants.", "startTime": "01:08:20,990", "endTime": "01:08:22,990" }, { "index": 1083, "text": "If you want to comment on these ideas, present your own ideas", "startTime": "01:08:24,203", "endTime": "01:08:26,400" }, { "index": 1084, "text": "this is the point to get that conversation started.", "startTime": "01:08:27,340", "endTime": "01:08:29,441" }, { "index": 1085, "text": "We have committee folks,", "startTime": "01:08:30,943", "endTime": "01:08:32,943" }, { "index": 1086, "text": "affordable housing committee.", "startTime": "01:08:33,450", "endTime": "01:08:35,450" }, { "index": 1087, "text": "I can guess what you might want to say.", "startTime": "01:08:35,114", "endTime": "01:08:37,683" }, { "index": 1088, "text": "Whoever wants to start us off.", "startTime": "01:08:38,217", "endTime": "01:08:40,217" }, { "index": 1089, "text": "We are gathering information.", "startTime": "01:08:40,620", "endTime": "01:08:42,620" }, { "index": 1090, "text": "We are all respectful of every one's position.", "startTime": "01:08:44,324", "endTime": "01:08:45,690" }, { "index": 1091, "text": "We want to hear conflicting", "startTime": "01:08:46,859", "endTime": "01:08:48,859" }, { "index": 1092, "text": "positions how to deliberator on", "startTime": "01:08:49,262", "endTime": "01:08:51,262" }, { "index": 1093, "text": "this to be pick. Garrett, kick us off.", "startTime": "01:08:52,432", "endTime": "01:08:54,866" }, { "index": 1094, "text": "deed restricted affordable housing look at ami target", "startTime": "01:08:57,704", "endTime": "01:09:00,406" }, { "index": 1095, "text": "knowing bend's housing crisis is", "startTime": "01:09:01,674", "endTime": "01:09:03,674" }, { "index": 1096, "text": "around the entire.", "startTime": "01:09:04,978", "endTime": "01:09:06,978" }, { "index": 1097, "text": "I am throwing that out there for", "startTime": "01:09:09,783", "endTime": "01:09:11,783" }, { "index": 1098, "text": "consideration. >> other thoughts?", "startTime": "01:09:13,119", "endTime": "01:09:15,454" }, { "index": 1099, "text": "No, we shouldn't have", "startTime": "01:09:17,824", "endTime": "01:09:19,824" }, { "index": 1100, "text": "have the exemptions.", "startTime": "01:09:21,961", "endTime": "01:09:24,530" }, { "index": 1101, "text": "We want to hear it all. >> mandy. >> the affordable housing", "startTime": "01:09:26,499", "endTime": "01:09:29,401" }, { "index": 1102, "text": "committee does want an exemption for deed restricted affordable", "startTime": "01:09:31,738", "endTime": "01:09:33,907" }, { "index": 1103, "text": "housing.", "startTime": "01:09:33,907", "endTime": "01:09:35,907" }, { "index": 1104, "text": "I would agree with garrett that", "startTime": "01:09:38,144", "endTime": "01:09:40,144" }, { "index": 1105, "text": "maybe we should extend that just because we do have a problem", "startTime": "01:09:40,347", "endTime": "01:09:43,215" }, { "index": 1106, "text": "with our middle housing as", "startTime": "01:09:45,252", "endTime": "01:09:47,252" }, { "index": 1107, "text": "well-being more affordable in bend.", "startTime": "01:09:48,555", "endTime": "01:09:49,889" }, { "index": 1108, "text": "can you both expand?", "startTime": "01:09:52,159", "endTime": "01:09:54,159" }, { "index": 1109, "text": "Quantify what you mean by middle", "startTime": "01:09:54,194", "endTime": "01:09:56,194" }, { "index": 1110, "text": "housing what that looks like.", "startTime": "01:09:57,130", "endTime": "01:09:59,130" }, { "index": 1111, "text": "I will throw it up there 120% is our preference.", "startTime": "01:09:59,433", "endTime": "01:10:01,000" }, { "index": 1112, "text": "Open to conversation on that.", "startTime": "01:10:04,171", "endTime": "01:10:06,171" }, { "index": 1113, "text": "that is online with what we end up with as well.", "startTime": "01:10:06,973", "endTime": "01:10:09,800" }, { "index": 1114, "text": "other thoughts?", "startTime": "01:10:09,343", "endTime": "01:10:11,343" }, { "index": 1115, "text": "I know people have them. >> general question.", "startTime": "01:10:13,280", "endTime": "01:10:16,140" }, { "index": 1116, "text": "Are we talking about what could", "startTime": "01:10:16,550", "endTime": "01:10:18,550" }, { "index": 1117, "text": "be done with the fee if there is", "startTime": "01:10:19,850", "endTime": "01:10:21,850" }, { "index": 1118, "text": "a fee imposed to help offset that?", "startTime": "01:10:22,789", "endTime": "01:10:24,757" }, { "index": 1119, "text": "not today. Revenue is going to be spent", "startTime": "01:10:25,192", "endTime": "01:10:28,270" }, { "index": 1120, "text": "that is a separate conversation.", "startTime": "01:10:28,929", "endTime": "01:10:30,929" }, { "index": 1121, "text": "If that helps you think about", "startTime": "01:10:30,998", "endTime": "01:10:32,998" }, { "index": 1122, "text": "the exemption feel free free to", "startTime": "01:10:34,468", "endTime": "01:10:36,936" }, { "index": 1123, "text": "expand on that.", "startTime": "01:10:37,437", "endTime": "01:10:39,437" }, { "index": 1124, "text": "environment and climate", "startTime": "01:10:39,640", "endTime": "01:10:41,640" }, { "index": 1125, "text": "committee supports exemption deed restricted affordable", "startTime": "01:10:43,344", "endTime": "01:10:45,913" }, { "index": 1126, "text": "housing. Most is all electric.", "startTime": "01:10:45,913", "endTime": "01:10:48,282" }, { "index": 1127, "text": "This", "startTime": "01:10:48,282", "endTime": "01:10:50,282" }, { "index": 1128, "text": "this is a signal from ecc to", "startTime": "01:10:51,485", "endTime": "01:10:53,485" }, { "index": 1129, "text": "remove barriers to affordable", "startTime": "01:10:53,854", "endTime": "01:10:55,854" }, { "index": 1130, "text": "housing as bend needs more.", "startTime": "01:10:56,190", "endTime": "01:10:58,190" }, { "index": 1131, "text": "I can go down the list for dual fuel equipment.", "startTime": "01:11:00,561", "endTime": "01:11:03,396" }, { "index": 1132, "text": "Ecc does not support exemption.", "startTime": "01:11:04,598", "endTime": "01:11:06,598" }, { "index": 1133, "text": "We support fee reduction for mixed fuel heating systems.", "startTime": "01:11:07,535", "endTime": "01:11:10,203" }, { "index": 1134, "text": "We think adding heat pump should be acknowledged.", "startTime": "01:11:12,239", "endTime": "01:11:13,907" }, { "index": 1135, "text": "We don't want to create loophole", "startTime": "01:11:18,679", "endTime": "01:11:20,679" }, { "index": 1136, "text": "where you don't pay a fee.", "startTime": "01:11:21,549", "endTime": "01:11:23,549" }, { "index": 1137, "text": "You can adjust settings so gas kicks in at 50 .", "startTime": "01:11:25,219", "endTime": "01:11:28,122" }, { "index": 1138, "text": "That would be a gas system.", "startTime": "01:11:28,122", "endTime": "01:11:30,122" }, { "index": 1139, "text": "We want to have the rate be conservative reflecting", "startTime": "01:11:32,590", "endTime": "01:11:34,594" }, { "index": 1140, "text": "continued gas use and", "startTime": "01:11:35,290", "endTime": "01:11:37,290" }, { "index": 1141, "text": "recognizing the contribution of electric heat pump.", "startTime": "01:11:38,232", "endTime": "01:11:40,299" }, { "index": 1142, "text": "In terms of rng we do not", "startTime": "01:11:43,337", "endTime": "01:11:45,337" }, { "index": 1143, "text": "support exemption or reduction for rng.", "startTime": "01:11:45,406", "endTime": "01:11:47,741" }, { "index": 1144, "text": "It is simply injected into the gas apply with other fuels.", "startTime": "01:11:50,811", "endTime": "01:11:53,647" }, { "index": 1145, "text": "Rng is important and useful. It should be prioritized for", "startTime": "01:11:56,384", "endTime": "01:11:58,618" }, { "index": 1146, "text": "more hard to electrify sectors", "startTime": "01:12:00,888", "endTime": "01:12:02,888" }, { "index": 1147, "text": "such as heavy industry and transportation and not", "startTime": "01:12:03,724", "endTime": "01:12:05,726" }, { "index": 1148, "text": "residential buildings that are", "startTime": "01:12:06,494", "endTime": "01:12:08,494" }, { "index": 1149, "text": "easier to electrify. >> all right.", "startTime": "01:12:09,397", "endTime": "01:12:12,299" }, { "index": 1150, "text": "Other thoughts? Sarah.", "startTime": "01:12:13,267", "endTime": "01:12:14,468" }, { "index": 1151, "text": "I guess I was going to second", "startTime": "01:12:15,770", "endTime": "01:12:17,770" }, { "index": 1152, "text": "the comment around ami level", "startTime": "01:12:19,507", "endTime": "01:12:21,507" }, { "index": 1153, "text": "also 80 and 120 from chamber", "startTime": "01:12:22,343", "endTime": "01:12:24,343" }, { "index": 1154, "text": "perspective work force housing band is important to focus on.", "startTime": "01:12:25,790", "endTime": "01:12:27,614" }, { "index": 1155, "text": "One other thing we are talking", "startTime": "01:12:28,149", "endTime": "01:12:30,149" }, { "index": 1156, "text": "about and this is not pertaining", "startTime": "01:12:30,985", "endTime": "01:12:32,985" }, { "index": 1157, "text": "to multi-family per se defining", "startTime": "01:12:33,521", "endTime": "01:12:35,521" }, { "index": 1158, "text": "what that looks like because in", "startTime": "01:12:36,558", "endTime": "01:12:38,558" }, { "index": 1159, "text": "some instances like quad or", "startTime": "01:12:44,532", "endTime": "01:12:46,532" }, { "index": 1160, "text": "duplex or quadplex.", "startTime": "01:12:47,680", "endTime": "01:12:49,680" }, { "index": 1161, "text": "What that looks", "startTime": "01:12:49,237", "endTime": "01:12:51,237" }, { "index": 1162, "text": "looks like to ensure builders are aware of that.", "startTime": "01:12:52,774", "endTime": "01:12:55,642" }, { "index": 1163, "text": "when we talked about the fee", "startTime": "01:12:58,790", "endTime": "01:13:00,790" }, { "index": 1164, "text": "not applying to large", "startTime": "01:13:00,248", "endTime": "01:13:02,248" }, { "index": 1165, "text": "multi-family developments. Is there ability to be clear in", "startTime": "01:13:02,584", "endTime": "01:13:04,218" }, { "index": 1166, "text": "our code what that means and what this would apply to?", "startTime": "01:13:06,488", "endTime": "01:13:08,889" }, { "index": 1167, "text": "it is something we plan to", "startTime": "01:13:09,424", "endTime": "01:13:11,424" }, { "index": 1168, "text": "bring to the council on APRIL 22 because that question.", "startTime": "01:13:12,494", "endTime": "01:13:14,828" }, { "index": 1169, "text": "we have heard from the council", "startTime": "01:13:15,130", "endTime": "01:13:17,130" }, { "index": 1170, "text": "we don't want to apply to multi-family.", "startTime": "01:13:17,966", "endTime": "01:13:19,633" }, { "index": 1171, "text": "Where is that cut off? We entered discussions with", "startTime": "01:13:20,936", "endTime": "01:13:23,904" }, { "index": 1172, "text": "staff this week to define those. We will talk about it with the council.", "startTime": "01:13:26,408", "endTime": "01:13:29,143" }, { "index": 1173, "text": "I would rather wait.", "startTime": "01:13:29,344", "endTime": "01:13:31,344" }, { "index": 1174, "text": "We are actively discussing it.", "startTime": "01:13:35,484", "endTime": "01:13:37,484" }, { "index": 1175, "text": "I would like to wait.", "startTime": "01:13:37,519", "endTime": "01:13:39,519" }, { "index": 1176, "text": "they are flagging for clarity.", "startTime": "01:13:39,755", "endTime": "01:13:41,288" }, { "index": 1177, "text": "in the definitions what the", "startTime": "01:13:42,924", "endTime": "01:13:44,924" }, { "index": 1178, "text": "code is applicable to where that would be defined and we will", "startTime": "01:13:45,560", "endTime": "01:13:48,396" }, { "index": 1179, "text": "include that in the discussion", "startTime": "01:13:48,697", "endTime": "01:13:50,697" }, { "index": 1180, "text": "on the 22nd. >> scott.", "startTime": "01:13:52,768", "endTime": "01:13:54,769" }, { "index": 1181, "text": "thanks.", "startTime": "01:13:54,903", "endTime": "01:13:56,903" }, { "index": 1182, "text": "Human rights commission would support deed restricted", "startTime": "01:13:58,600", "endTime": "01:14:00,942" }, { "index": 1183, "text": "affordable housing exemption", "startTime": "01:14:01,476", "endTime": "01:14:03,476" }, { "index": 1184, "text": "along with affordable housing advisory committee recognizing", "startTime": "01:14:03,979", "endTime": "01:14:06,180" }, { "index": 1185, "text": "to be fair and equitable with", "startTime": "01:14:07,816", "endTime": "01:14:09,816" }, { "index": 1186, "text": "that middle range up to 120%.", "startTime": "01:14:11,120", "endTime": "01:14:13,120" }, { "index": 1187, "text": "Just wanted to emphasize that from our perspective.", "startTime": "01:14:13,489", "endTime": "01:14:16,457" }, { "index": 1188, "text": "Thank you.", "startTime": "01:14:21,463", "endTime": "01:14:23,463" }, { "index": 1189, "text": "go ahead.", "startTime": "01:14:27,703", "endTime": "01:14:29,703" }, { "index": 1190, "text": "affordable housing.", "startTime": "01:14:29,805", "endTime": "01:14:31,805" }, { "index": 1191, "text": "We think the vast majority of", "startTime": "01:14:32,741", "endTime": "01:14:34,741" }, { "index": 1192, "text": "affordable housing is already", "startTime": "01:14:36,145", "endTime": "01:14:38,145" }, { "index": 1193, "text": "all electric or multi-family that is do nothing addition to", "startTime": "01:14:38,213", "endTime": "01:14:41,182" }, { "index": 1194, "text": "the policy.", "startTime": "01:14:41,750", "endTime": "01:14:43,750" }, { "index": 1195, "text": "From my perspective the looming equity issue I see around", "startTime": "01:14:46,388", "endTime": "01:14:48,389" }, { "index": 1196, "text": "expanding fossil-fuel network", "startTime": "01:14:49,258", "endTime": "01:14:51,258" }, { "index": 1197, "text": "and this is in the oregon state", "startTime": "01:14:52,328", "endTime": "01:14:54,328" }, { "index": 1198, "text": "energy strategy.", "startTime": "01:14:55,764", "endTime": "01:14:57,764" }, { "index": 1199, "text": "Risks of having gas asset and", "startTime": "01:14:58,367", "endTime": "01:15:00,367" }, { "index": 1200, "text": "having homeowner middle or low income or renter sadeled with", "startTime": "01:15:02,400", "endTime": "01:15:04,272" }, { "index": 1201, "text": "getting gas out of the house", "startTime": "01:15:04,807", "endTime": "01:15:06,807" }, { "index": 1202, "text": "that is equity crisis on the horizon.", "startTime": "01:15:08,978", "endTime": "01:15:10,712" }, { "index": 1203, "text": "Anything to reduce fossil fuel expansion.", "startTime": "01:15:13,582", "endTime": "01:15:14,849" }, { "index": 1204, "text": "two-thirdses gas bill today are maintenance and that is not going away.", "startTime": "01:15:15,952", "endTime": "01:15:18,920" }, { "index": 1205, "text": "It is important we neat goals", "startTime": "01:15:20,623", "endTime": "01:15:22,623" }, { "index": 1206, "text": "today.", "startTime": "01:15:23,993", "endTime": "01:15:25,993" }, { "index": 1207, "text": "I want everybody to be cognizant", "startTime": "01:15:27,363", "endTime": "01:15:29,363" }, { "index": 1208, "text": "the more we build out the fossil-fuel.", "startTime": "01:15:30,266", "endTime": "01:15:31,933" }, { "index": 1209, "text": "More we take to electric fiit is", "startTime": "01:15:34,337", "endTime": "01:15:36,337" }, { "index": 1210, "text": "going to disproportionately hit", "startTime": "01:15:39,776", "endTime": "01:15:41,776" }, { "index": 1211, "text": "people least able to deal with that.", "startTime": "01:15:42,311", "endTime": "01:15:44,613" }, { "index": 1212, "text": "Multi fuel equipment cascade pilot is good example.", "startTime": "01:15:46,616", "endTime": "01:15:48,784" }, { "index": 1213, "text": "There are many combinations dual", "startTime": "01:15:51,287", "endTime": "01:15:53,287" }, { "index": 1214, "text": "fuel house.", "startTime": "01:15:55,791", "endTime": "01:15:57,791" }, { "index": 1215, "text": "Different heat pumps.", "startTime": "01:15:58,528", "endTime": "01:16:00,528" }, { "index": 1216, "text": "Set points tweaked differently by different renters.", "startTime": "01:16:00,830", "endTime": "01:16:03,598" }, { "index": 1217, "text": "The range of outcomes is huge.", "startTime": "01:16:04,767", "endTime": "01:16:06,767" }, { "index": 1218, "text": "As city is considering that, be conservative and realistic.", "startTime": "01:16:09,306", "endTime": "01:16:10,872" }, { "index": 1219, "text": "Not every house is switching", "startTime": "01:16:11,741", "endTime": "01:16:13,741" }, { "index": 1220, "text": "from gas to electric at 35 .", "startTime": "01:16:15,111", "endTime": "01:16:16,311" }, { "index": 1221, "text": "Realistic carbon benefit is more marginal when we think in", "startTime": "01:16:18,147", "endTime": "01:16:21,490" }, { "index": 1222, "text": "practice how dual fuel systems are rolled out. Renewable natural gas.", "startTime": "01:16:25,756", "endTime": "01:16:28,624" }, { "index": 1223, "text": "Last time I was at industry", "startTime": "01:16:32,950", "endTime": "01:16:34,950" }, { "index": 1224, "text": "conference in nashville we had lunch or dinner with three", "startTime": "01:16:35,832", "endTime": "01:16:38,330" }, { "index": 1225, "text": "separate clients. They were all talking about a", "startTime": "01:16:38,134", "endTime": "01:16:40,570" }, { "index": 1226, "text": "cool project.", "startTime": "01:16:40,570", "endTime": "01:16:42,570" }, { "index": 1227, "text": "It was not the same project.", "startTime": "01:16:44,240", "endTime": "01:16:46,240" }, { "index": 1228, "text": "I would expect gas utilities", "startTime": "01:16:46,776", "endTime": "01:16:48,776" }, { "index": 1229, "text": "looking at the small pool of available projects.", "startTime": "01:16:48,845", "endTime": "01:16:51,460" }, { "index": 1230, "text": "We shouldn't be hedging bets", "startTime": "01:16:54,170", "endTime": "01:16:56,170" }, { "index": 1231, "text": "that cascade will meet all", "startTime": "01:16:57,287", "endTime": "01:16:59,287" }, { "index": 1232, "text": "compliance goals through rng alone.", "startTime": "01:16:59,789", "endTime": "01:17:00,990" }, { "index": 1233, "text": "Public utility commission has not acknowledge would long-range", "startTime": "01:17:03,160", "endTime": "01:17:05,294" }, { "index": 1234, "text": "planning to comply with cpp.", "startTime": "01:17:06,930", "endTime": "01:17:08,930" }, { "index": 1235, "text": "City of bend should be cognizant of that.", "startTime": "01:17:11,134", "endTime": "01:17:12,968" }, { "index": 1236, "text": "allen for your long-range plan.", "startTime": "01:17:15,500", "endTime": "01:17:16,205" }, { "index": 1237, "text": "When do you think that will go", "startTime": "01:17:17,700", "endTime": "01:17:19,700" }, { "index": 1238, "text": "through the process and be", "startTime": "01:17:19,309", "endTime": "01:17:21,309" }, { "index": 1239, "text": "complete for you and your plans?", "startTime": "01:17:22,579", "endTime": "01:17:24,579" }, { "index": 1240, "text": "I might defer to my colleague", "startTime": "01:17:26,830", "endTime": "01:17:28,830" }, { "index": 1241, "text": "on that.", "startTime": "01:17:32,523", "endTime": "01:17:34,523" }, { "index": 1242, "text": "context when you say commission recognition.", "startTime": "01:17:34,691", "endTime": "01:17:36,259" }, { "index": 1243, "text": "Can you clarify how you view", "startTime": "01:17:39,129", "endTime": "01:17:41,129" }, { "index": 1244, "text": "that?", "startTime": "01:17:42,320", "endTime": "01:17:44,320" }, { "index": 1245, "text": "cascade was making insufficient supporting", "startTime": "01:17:45,200", "endTime": "01:17:46,769" }, { "index": 1246, "text": "assumptions about cost.", "startTime": "01:17:48,172", "endTime": "01:17:50,172" }, { "index": 1247, "text": "They do not think cost", "startTime": "01:17:51,709", "endTime": "01:17:53,709" }, { "index": 1248, "text": "assumptions are realistically", "startTime": "01:17:54,211", "endTime": "01:17:56,211" }, { "index": 1249, "text": "guaranteeing low rates.", "startTime": "01:17:58,820", "endTime": "01:18:00,820" }, { "index": 1250, "text": "How does cascade resolve that if", "startTime": "01:18:00,684", "endTime": "01:18:02,684" }, { "index": 1251, "text": "it is 90% of compliance portfolio?", "startTime": "01:18:06,991", "endTime": "01:18:09,859" }, { "index": 1252, "text": "that is a specific question. >> what I am looking for is", "startTime": "01:18:15,766", "endTime": "01:18:17,935" }, { "index": 1253, "text": "timelines.", "startTime": "01:18:17,935", "endTime": "01:18:19,935" }, { "index": 1254, "text": "That is what we are talking about today.", "startTime": "01:18:20,237", "endTime": "01:18:22,372" }, { "index": 1255, "text": "Implementation timelines. When is pacific power going to", "startTime": "01:18:24,208", "endTime": "01:18:26,643" }, { "index": 1256, "text": "comply? Timelines for you all.", "startTime": "01:18:26,944", "endTime": "01:18:29,450" }, { "index": 1257, "text": "We know there are specific places and back and forth.", "startTime": "01:18:30,347", "endTime": "01:18:32,749" }, { "index": 1258, "text": "What is the expectation when we get to the point where you have", "startTime": "01:18:35,586", "endTime": "01:18:37,220" }, { "index": 1259, "text": "a plan that is the thing you are", "startTime": "01:18:39,123", "endTime": "01:18:41,123" }, { "index": 1260, "text": "implementing?", "startTime": "01:18:41,225", "endTime": "01:18:43,225" }, { "index": 1261, "text": "absolutely.", "startTime": "01:18:43,494", "endTime": "01:18:45,494" }, { "index": 1262, "text": "Best cost options of rng. Timeline I can't speak to that", "startTime": "01:18:47,765", "endTime": "01:18:50,134" }, { "index": 1263, "text": "todays. I will be glad to follow up with", "startTime": "01:18:50,134", "endTime": "01:18:53,360" }, { "index": 1264, "text": "the city with more detail. What I will say the projects", "startTime": "01:18:53,671", "endTime": "01:18:56,539" }, { "index": 1265, "text": "that we are discussing today.", "startTime": "01:18:58,476", "endTime": "01:19:00,476" }, { "index": 1266, "text": "There are three that are fully operational right now.", "startTime": "01:19:00,978", "endTime": "01:19:02,646" }, { "index": 1267, "text": "It is more than hypothetical.", "startTime": "01:19:04,916", "endTime": "01:19:06,916" }, { "index": 1268, "text": "In terms how that is going to be", "startTime": "01:19:07,552", "endTime": "01:19:09,552" }, { "index": 1269, "text": "utilized for cpp compliance we continue to have those", "startTime": "01:19:10,721", "endTime": "01:19:12,823" }, { "index": 1270, "text": "conversations with regulators. If it is a priority of", "startTime": "01:19:13,691", "endTime": "01:19:16,660" }, { "index": 1271, "text": "communities that is for", "startTime": "01:19:17,495", "endTime": "01:19:19,495" }, { "index": 1272, "text": "compliance that is something we would take back to integrated", "startTime": "01:19:19,664", "endTime": "01:19:21,999" }, { "index": 1273, "text": "resource planning team.", "startTime": "01:19:23,634", "endTime": "01:19:25,634" }, { "index": 1274, "text": "We would start that conversation", "startTime": "01:19:25,870", "endTime": "01:19:27,870" }, { "index": 1275, "text": "to work with the city to", "startTime": "01:19:28,139", "endTime": "01:19:30,139" }, { "index": 1276, "text": "incorporate that in a way that", "startTime": "01:19:32,944", "endTime": "01:19:34,944" }, { "index": 1277, "text": "is satisfactory to the city and regulators. We would be happy to continue", "startTime": "01:19:37,150", "endTime": "01:19:39,850" }, { "index": 1278, "text": "those discussions.", "startTime": "01:19:40,840", "endTime": "01:19:42,840" }, { "index": 1279, "text": "for councilors to gather information.", "startTime": "01:19:44,789", "endTime": "01:19:46,523" }, { "index": 1280, "text": "We are not at the same level", "startTime": "01:19:47,292", "endTime": "01:19:49,292" }, { "index": 1281, "text": "many of you are.", "startTime": "01:19:49,594", "endTime": "01:19:51,594" }, { "index": 1282, "text": "When you talk in acronyms, I ask", "startTime": "01:19:53,198", "endTime": "01:19:55,198" }, { "index": 1283, "text": "that you take it on a level we can understand.", "startTime": "01:19:55,266", "endTime": "01:19:58,203" }, { "index": 1284, "text": "I apologize.", "startTime": "01:19:58,203", "endTime": "01:20:00,203" }, { "index": 1285, "text": "that is okay.", "startTime": "01:20:04,242", "endTime": "01:20:06,242" }, { "index": 1286, "text": "We haven't heard from david or john.", "startTime": "01:20:07,211", "endTime": "01:20:08,845" }, { "index": 1287, "text": "You don't have to if there is", "startTime": "01:20:10,148", "endTime": "01:20:12,148" }, { "index": 1288, "text": "anything to add.", "startTime": "01:20:12,751", "endTime": "01:20:14,751" }, { "index": 1289, "text": "I will go ahead.", "startTime": "01:20:16,821", "endTime": "01:20:18,821" }, { "index": 1290, "text": "Local 290 would support deed restriction for affordable", "startTime": "01:20:19,624", "endTime": "01:20:21,992" }, { "index": 1291, "text": "housing.", "startTime": "01:20:22,427", "endTime": "01:20:24,427" }, { "index": 1292, "text": "120 ami.", "startTime": "01:20:26,364", "endTime": "01:20:28,364" }, { "index": 1293, "text": "Obviously we are in full support", "startTime": "01:20:29,401", "endTime": "01:20:31,401" }, { "index": 1294, "text": "homes with dual fuel equipment.", "startTime": "01:20:32,637", "endTime": "01:20:34,637" }, { "index": 1295, "text": "I have had it in my homes in central oregon since 2002.", "startTime": "01:20:34,806", "endTime": "01:20:37,775" }, { "index": 1296, "text": "They work great. They both supply when the", "startTime": "01:20:39,277", "endTime": "01:20:41,712" }, { "index": 1297, "text": "temperatures are low and gas can", "startTime": "01:20:44,115", "endTime": "01:20:46,115" }, { "index": 1298, "text": "make up that difference. When the heat pumps can't.", "startTime": "01:20:47,753", "endTime": "01:20:49,620" }, { "index": 1299, "text": "They work very well in this climate.", "startTime": "01:20:50,154", "endTime": "01:20:51,489" }, { "index": 1300, "text": "That is something that needs to be thought of, too.", "startTime": "01:20:53,525", "endTime": "01:20:56,294" }, { "index": 1301, "text": "Dual fuel projects like that are", "startTime": "01:21:00,232", "endTime": "01:21:02,232" }, { "index": 1302, "text": "different in different climate.", "startTime": "01:21:02,601", "endTime": "01:21:04,601" }, { "index": 1303, "text": "This climate supports the good", "startTime": "01:21:05,704", "endTime": "01:21:07,704" }, { "index": 1304, "text": "dual fuel program.", "startTime": "01:21:08,707", "endTime": "01:21:10,707" }, { "index": 1305, "text": "Mild climates not so much.", "startTime": "01:21:10,742", "endTime": "01:21:12,742" }, { "index": 1306, "text": "We have pretty decent winters,", "startTime": "01:21:13,946", "endTime": "01:21:15,946" }, { "index": 1307, "text": "not this year.", "startTime": "01:21:17,116", "endTime": "01:21:19,116" }, { "index": 1308, "text": "Renewable natural gas we support 100%.", "startTime": "01:21:19,318", "endTime": "01:21:20,751" }, { "index": 1309, "text": "To think in the future to add to", "startTime": "01:21:22,488", "endTime": "01:21:24,488" }, { "index": 1310, "text": "that just because technologies change and things change.", "startTime": "01:21:25,900", "endTime": "01:21:27,859" }, { "index": 1311, "text": "What might be available changes", "startTime": "01:21:28,927", "endTime": "01:21:30,927" }, { "index": 1312, "text": "is there might be hydrogen mix", "startTime": "01:21:34,833", "endTime": "01:21:36,833" }, { "index": 1313, "text": "in natural gas to do the same", "startTime": "01:21:37,669", "endTime": "01:21:39,669" }, { "index": 1314, "text": "thing to reduce carbon of the", "startTime": "01:21:41,173", "endTime": "01:21:43,173" }, { "index": 1315, "text": "gas. >> john. >> can we go back.", "startTime": "01:21:43,709", "endTime": "01:21:46,344" }, { "index": 1316, "text": "There was a stat about the", "startTime": "01:21:47,746", "endTime": "01:21:49,746" }, { "index": 1317, "text": "impact of carbon from cascade", "startTime": "01:21:51,250", "endTime": "01:21:53,250" }, { "index": 1318, "text": "natural gas presented that", "startTime": "01:21:53,752", "endTime": "01:21:55,752" }, { "index": 1319, "text": "showed that 15% emissions from", "startTime": "01:21:56,488", "endTime": "01:21:58,488" }, { "index": 1320, "text": "natural gas versus 29% from electricity.", "startTime": "01:21:59,658", "endTime": "01:22:02,427" }, { "index": 1321, "text": "Can you help us understand that?", "startTime": "01:22:04,163", "endTime": "01:22:06,163" }, { "index": 1322, "text": "It makes it stand like the", "startTime": "01:22:07,133", "endTime": "01:22:09,133" }, { "index": 1323, "text": "impact of electricity has twice", "startTime": "01:22:09,435", "endTime": "01:22:11,435" }, { "index": 1324, "text": "the carbon outputna natural gas is that twice supply coming from", "startTime": "01:22:16,750", "endTime": "01:22:19,100" }, { "index": 1325, "text": "electricity versus natural gas? How do we understand.", "startTime": "01:22:22,415", "endTime": "01:22:25,116" }, { "index": 1326, "text": "I will share sources for the study to provide more information.", "startTime": "01:22:26,252", "endTime": "01:22:29,220" }, { "index": 1327, "text": "Some of it does pertain to", "startTime": "01:22:30,623", "endTime": "01:22:32,623" }, { "index": 1328, "text": "scaling the delivery of gas", "startTime": "01:22:33,260", "endTime": "01:22:35,260" }, { "index": 1329, "text": "versus delivery of electricity", "startTime": "01:22:36,950", "endTime": "01:22:38,950" }, { "index": 1330, "text": "looking at the fuel mix of the electric system today.", "startTime": "01:22:40,232", "endTime": "01:22:43,100" }, { "index": 1331, "text": "Looking at the direct use of", "startTime": "01:22:43,970", "endTime": "01:22:45,970" }, { "index": 1332, "text": "natural gas versus the use of", "startTime": "01:22:48,141", "endTime": "01:22:50,141" }, { "index": 1333, "text": "nonrenewable energy for electric generation.", "startTime": "01:22:50,309", "endTime": "01:22:51,610" }, { "index": 1334, "text": "There are multiple factors that go into that.", "startTime": "01:22:52,612", "endTime": "01:22:54,813" }, { "index": 1335, "text": "I would be very happy to make", "startTime": "01:22:55,782", "endTime": "01:22:57,782" }, { "index": 1336, "text": "sure -- there is a link to the", "startTime": "01:22:57,984", "endTime": "01:22:59,984" }, { "index": 1337, "text": "source on the slides now up on the city website.", "startTime": "01:23:01,521", "endTime": "01:23:04,356" }, { "index": 1338, "text": "in the deq study from oregon.", "startTime": "01:23:06,259", "endTime": "01:23:08,259" }, { "index": 1339, "text": "Good question. >> I guess that's still trying", "startTime": "01:23:08,661", "endTime": "01:23:11,396" }, { "index": 1340, "text": "to process what you are saying. However, I guess in terms what", "startTime": "01:23:13,320", "endTime": "01:23:16,100" }, { "index": 1341, "text": "is asked in exemptions here.", "startTime": "01:23:18,404", "endTime": "01:23:20,404" }, { "index": 1342, "text": "Conversations at bdad support exemptions around deed", "startTime": "01:23:24,310", "endTime": "01:23:26,545" }, { "index": 1343, "text": "restricted affordable housing we", "startTime": "01:23:27,146", "endTime": "01:23:29,146" }, { "index": 1344, "text": "believe the housing crisis is", "startTime": "01:23:29,649", "endTime": "01:23:31,649" }, { "index": 1345, "text": "real and we want to support ways", "startTime": "01:23:32,452", "endTime": "01:23:34,452" }, { "index": 1346, "text": "to offset that impact to homeowners.", "startTime": "01:23:34,821", "endTime": "01:23:37,123" }, { "index": 1347, "text": "We support continuing to do", "startTime": "01:23:38,291", "endTime": "01:23:40,291" }, { "index": 1348, "text": "projects dual fuel proof of concept.", "startTime": "01:23:40,293", "endTime": "01:23:42,294" }, { "index": 1349, "text": "There needs to be more data to", "startTime": "01:23:43,563", "endTime": "01:23:45,563" }, { "index": 1350, "text": "support the fee structure and outcomes that that ultimately", "startTime": "01:23:46,399", "endTime": "01:23:49,340" }, { "index": 1351, "text": "gets passed to the home owners.", "startTime": "01:23:50,336", "endTime": "01:23:52,336" }, { "index": 1352, "text": "Those are the discussions we", "startTime": "01:23:54,474", "endTime": "01:23:56,474" }, { "index": 1353, "text": "have. >> garrett.", "startTime": "01:23:58,745", "endTime": "01:24:00,790" }, { "index": 1354, "text": "there is a lot of action at", "startTime": "01:24:01,381", "endTime": "01:24:03,381" }, { "index": 1355, "text": "the state to reduce fears to", "startTime": "01:24:03,683", "endTime": "01:24:05,683" }, { "index": 1356, "text": "building certain housing types,", "startTime": "01:24:06,987", "endTime": "01:24:08,987" }, { "index": 1357, "text": "condos in the triplex, fourplex and beyond.", "startTime": "01:24:09,923", "endTime": "01:24:12,224" }, { "index": 1358, "text": "Maybe consideration for exemptions to hold off on those", "startTime": "01:24:12,759", "endTime": "01:24:15,728" }, { "index": 1359, "text": "housing types to begin with to let progress play out to see if", "startTime": "01:24:17,664", "endTime": "01:24:19,866" }, { "index": 1360, "text": "we can bring to market rather", "startTime": "01:24:21,735", "endTime": "01:24:23,735" }, { "index": 1361, "text": "than adding hurdle to development.", "startTime": "01:24:24,370", "endTime": "01:24:25,337" }, { "index": 1362, "text": "something to separate by housing types.", "startTime": "01:24:26,973", "endTime": "01:24:28,841" }, { "index": 1363, "text": "Other thoughts on exemptions.", "startTime": "01:24:29,943", "endTime": "01:24:31,943" }, { "index": 1364, "text": "If you think of one later we", "startTime": "01:24:32,212", "endTime": "01:24:34,212" }, { "index": 1365, "text": "will come back to you. Sarah.", "startTime": "01:24:35,182", "endTime": "01:24:36,382" }, { "index": 1366, "text": "a couple comments about the", "startTime": "01:24:37,851", "endTime": "01:24:39,851" }, { "index": 1367, "text": "stranded asset for exemptions of ami's of housing.", "startTime": "01:24:41,755", "endTime": "01:24:43,956" }, { "index": 1368, "text": "All homes will be dual fuel. Infrastructure will be laid for", "startTime": "01:24:46,560", "endTime": "01:24:49,495" }, { "index": 1369, "text": "gas and electricity because of", "startTime": "01:24:50,970", "endTime": "01:24:52,970" }, { "index": 1370, "text": "the nature of the choice issue.", "startTime": "01:24:52,990", "endTime": "01:24:54,990" }, { "index": 1371, "text": "I think that eliminates concept of stranded asset.", "startTime": "01:24:58,539", "endTime": "01:25:00,606" }, { "index": 1372, "text": "Think about this broadly when we", "startTime": "01:25:02,576", "endTime": "01:25:04,576" }, { "index": 1373, "text": "think about what that ami exemption would look like. >> thank you.", "startTime": "01:25:06,800", "endTime": "01:25:09,480" }, { "index": 1374, "text": "I think to make sure we are grounding for anyone watching.", "startTime": "01:25:11,418", "endTime": "01:25:13,850" }, { "index": 1375, "text": "We are talking about one time", "startTime": "01:25:14,488", "endTime": "01:25:16,488" }, { "index": 1376, "text": "fee at beginning of new", "startTime": "01:25:17,825", "endTime": "01:25:19,825" }, { "index": 1377, "text": "construction.", "startTime": "01:25:22,162", "endTime": "01:25:24,162" }, { "index": 1378, "text": "These exemptions at time of new construction.", "startTime": "01:25:25,432", "endTime": "01:25:27,100" }, { "index": 1379, "text": "Final thoughts on exemptions", "startTime": "01:25:29,503", "endTime": "01:25:31,503" }, { "index": 1380, "text": "before implementation timeline. Robin.", "startTime": "01:25:34,241", "endTime": "01:25:36,542" }, { "index": 1381, "text": "I wanted to add that ecc only", "startTime": "01:25:40,781", "endTime": "01:25:42,781" }, { "index": 1382, "text": "supports one exemption deed", "startTime": "01:25:43,951", "endTime": "01:25:45,951" }, { "index": 1383, "text": "restricted affordable housing. We want to limit exemption.", "startTime": "01:25:46,520", "endTime": "01:25:49,220" }, { "index": 1384, "text": "Every exemption reduces", "startTime": "01:25:51,326", "endTime": "01:25:53,326" }, { "index": 1385, "text": "emissions that this has.", "startTime": "01:25:53,360", "endTime": "01:25:55,360" }, { "index": 1386, "text": "Every exemption adds", "startTime": "01:25:55,663", "endTime": "01:25:57,663" }, { "index": 1387, "text": "administrative burden to the", "startTime": "01:25:58,299", "endTime": "01:26:00,299" }, { "index": 1388, "text": "policy, additional tracking, calculations, enforcement.", "startTime": "01:26:01,569", "endTime": "01:26:04,400" }, { "index": 1389, "text": "We have had 20% of the snowpack in deschutes.", "startTime": "01:26:05,740", "endTime": "01:26:08,275" }, { "index": 1390, "text": "We need more climate action now.", "startTime": "01:26:09,110", "endTime": "01:26:11,110" }, { "index": 1391, "text": "Those exemptions limit impact of the policy.", "startTime": "01:26:11,846", "endTime": "01:26:13,947" }, { "index": 1392, "text": "We advocate for less exemptions.", "startTime": "01:26:15,316", "endTime": "01:26:17,316" }, { "index": 1393, "text": "thank you for that.", "startTime": "01:26:20,855", "endTime": "01:26:22,855" }, { "index": 1394, "text": "one consideration not voiced", "startTime": "01:26:23,357", "endTime": "01:26:25,357" }, { "index": 1395, "text": "is winter heating via electric", "startTime": "01:26:26,227", "endTime": "01:26:28,227" }, { "index": 1396, "text": "is more demand than summer. If there are developments that", "startTime": "01:26:28,963", "endTime": "01:26:31,465" }, { "index": 1397, "text": "cannot meet that incremental", "startTime": "01:26:34,436", "endTime": "01:26:36,436" }, { "index": 1398, "text": "development that regards large", "startTime": "01:26:37,472", "endTime": "01:26:39,472" }, { "index": 1399, "text": "upgrades by electric utilities", "startTime": "01:26:40,808", "endTime": "01:26:42,808" }, { "index": 1400, "text": "they would penalize and delay", "startTime": "01:26:42,844", "endTime": "01:26:44,844" }, { "index": 1401, "text": "while that infrastructure is", "startTime": "01:26:45,880", "endTime": "01:26:47,880" }, { "index": 1402, "text": "built out gas resource adequacy", "startTime": "01:26:48,549", "endTime": "01:26:50,549" }, { "index": 1403, "text": "to mead that and get that up and running sooner. >> final thought?", "startTime": "01:26:51,853", "endTime": "01:26:54,221" }, { "index": 1404, "text": "I had other ideas.", "startTime": "01:26:58,226", "endTime": "01:27:00,226" }, { "index": 1405, "text": "any home that has natural gas", "startTime": "01:27:00,595", "endTime": "01:27:02,595" }, { "index": 1406, "text": "that is going to include solar. Put an exemption on home that", "startTime": "01:27:04,933", "endTime": "01:27:07,202" }, { "index": 1407, "text": "has that.", "startTime": "01:27:07,202", "endTime": "01:27:09,202" }, { "index": 1408, "text": "Another one could be any home", "startTime": "01:27:10,605", "endTime": "01:27:12,605" }, { "index": 1409, "text": "that for the future behind every appliance has both gas and electric.", "startTime": "01:27:15,443", "endTime": "01:27:18,178" }, { "index": 1410, "text": "What they choose now can be", "startTime": "01:27:18,913", "endTime": "01:27:20,913" }, { "index": 1411, "text": "whatever service they want. It could be changed at any point.", "startTime": "01:27:21,182", "endTime": "01:27:23,784" }, { "index": 1412, "text": "Not extra cost down the road.", "startTime": "01:27:26,187", "endTime": "01:27:28,187" }, { "index": 1413, "text": "it is already available and", "startTime": "01:27:28,490", "endTime": "01:27:30,490" }, { "index": 1414, "text": "built into the home. >> thoughts on those ideas?", "startTime": "01:27:30,659", "endTime": "01:27:33,527" }, { "index": 1415, "text": "one thing on solar. Ecc we touched on that in our", "startTime": "01:27:34,396", "endTime": "01:27:37,332" }, { "index": 1416, "text": "last meeting.", "startTime": "01:27:37,332", "endTime": "01:27:39,332" }, { "index": 1417, "text": "If we want to add solar to the", "startTime": "01:27:40,636", "endTime": "01:27:42,636" }, { "index": 1418, "text": "conversation we don't want exemption but reduced fee in calculation.", "startTime": "01:27:42,938", "endTime": "01:27:45,873" }, { "index": 1419, "text": "That would be based on the size", "startTime": "01:27:46,341", "endTime": "01:27:48,341" }, { "index": 1420, "text": "of the system and size of the house.", "startTime": "01:27:48,844", "endTime": "01:27:50,611" }, { "index": 1421, "text": "As we know with the grid being", "startTime": "01:27:54,316", "endTime": "01:27:56,316" }, { "index": 1422, "text": "dirty, these local renewable", "startTime": "01:27:56,618", "endTime": "01:27:58,618" }, { "index": 1423, "text": "emissions could really support", "startTime": "01:27:58,820", "endTime": "01:28:00,820" }, { "index": 1424, "text": "to make that grid cleaner.", "startTime": "01:28:01,123", "endTime": "01:28:03,123" }, { "index": 1425, "text": "We don't want it as exemption. You could have one panel on your", "startTime": "01:28:03,392", "endTime": "01:28:06,160" }, { "index": 1426, "text": "home and that would eliminate the fee.", "startTime": "01:28:07,960", "endTime": "01:28:08,562" }, { "index": 1427, "text": "We want to acknowledge addition of solar because we think it is", "startTime": "01:28:10,165", "endTime": "01:28:13,134" }, { "index": 1428, "text": "an important part of this", "startTime": "01:28:14,870", "endTime": "01:28:16,870" }, { "index": 1429, "text": "conversation, a reduction. >> brennan.", "startTime": "01:28:17,639", "endTime": "01:28:20,341" }, { "index": 1430, "text": "reiterate robin's point as", "startTime": "01:28:22,511", "endTime": "01:28:24,511" }, { "index": 1431, "text": "well and when we consider", "startTime": "01:28:25,347", "endTime": "01:28:27,347" }, { "index": 1432, "text": "exemptions look in totality.", "startTime": "01:28:27,883", "endTime": "01:28:29,883" }, { "index": 1433, "text": "What can realistically be administered by a team of two in", "startTime": "01:28:30,286", "endTime": "01:28:32,920" }, { "index": 1434, "text": "the city. Back to sarah's point.", "startTime": "01:28:32,988", "endTime": "01:28:35,756" }, { "index": 1435, "text": "I want to push back on the idea", "startTime": "01:28:42,231", "endTime": "01:28:44,231" }, { "index": 1436, "text": "stranded assets are a stranded issue.", "startTime": "01:28:46,100", "endTime": "01:28:48,569" }, { "index": 1437, "text": "Affordable single family housing", "startTime": "01:28:49,738", "endTime": "01:28:51,738" }, { "index": 1438, "text": "built all electric in bend and", "startTime": "01:28:52,274", "endTime": "01:28:54,274" }, { "index": 1439, "text": "sisters and many others. Good proof of concept gas is", "startTime": "01:28:54,710", "endTime": "01:28:57,645" }, { "index": 1440, "text": "only utility you don't need to live in a house.", "startTime": "01:28:58,514", "endTime": "01:29:00,948" }, { "index": 1441, "text": "thank you. Final thoughts on exemptions", "startTime": "01:29:01,350", "endTime": "01:29:03,985" }, { "index": 1442, "text": "before implementation?", "startTime": "01:29:05,755", "endTime": "01:29:07,755" }, { "index": 1443, "text": "to echo sarah's point.", "startTime": "01:29:08,257", "endTime": "01:29:10,257" }, { "index": 1444, "text": "In talking to builders how fee is per equipment.", "startTime": "01:29:10,559", "endTime": "01:29:12,961" }, { "index": 1445, "text": "All infrastructure is brought", "startTime": "01:29:13,495", "endTime": "01:29:15,495" }, { "index": 1446, "text": "out to new construction gas and", "startTime": "01:29:15,598", "endTime": "01:29:17,598" }, { "index": 1447, "text": "electric to convert in the", "startTime": "01:29:18,000", "endTime": "01:29:20,000" }, { "index": 1448, "text": "future so we don't run into risk", "startTime": "01:29:22,171", "endTime": "01:29:24,171" }, { "index": 1449, "text": "of stranded asset. >> allen.", "startTime": "01:29:24,440", "endTime": "01:29:25,974" }, { "index": 1450, "text": "To the point of limited staff to administer this.", "startTime": "01:29:27,443", "endTime": "01:29:28,943" }, { "index": 1451, "text": "That is why and talking about", "startTime": "01:29:30,479", "endTime": "01:29:32,479" }, { "index": 1452, "text": "the fuel mix today not being decarbonized on electric tsai.", "startTime": "01:29:34,183", "endTime": "01:29:37,152" }, { "index": 1453, "text": "That is why it is important to", "startTime": "01:29:40,890", "endTime": "01:29:42,890" }, { "index": 1454, "text": "have this fee lie dormant until", "startTime": "01:29:47,396", "endTime": "01:29:49,396" }, { "index": 1455, "text": "the carbon intentionally of", "startTime": "01:29:51,467", "endTime": "01:29:53,467" }, { "index": 1456, "text": "electricity and gas when that switches.", "startTime": "01:29:53,969", "endTime": "01:29:55,237" }, { "index": 1457, "text": "Then the fee can take effect. >> next topic.", "startTime": "01:29:57,273", "endTime": "01:30:00,242" }, { "index": 1458, "text": "When should this be in effect. Timeline, considerations there", "startTime": "01:30:02,211", "endTime": "01:30:04,412" }, { "index": 1459, "text": "which you have given us in your", "startTime": "01:30:05,715", "endTime": "01:30:07,715" }, { "index": 1460, "text": "presentation which I took notes", "startTime": "01:30:09,452", "endTime": "01:30:11,452" }, { "index": 1461, "text": "on. >> implementation timeline", "startTime": "01:30:11,621", "endTime": "01:30:13,889" }, { "index": 1462, "text": "looking for feedback on", "startTime": "01:30:15,124", "endTime": "01:30:17,124" }, { "index": 1463, "text": "effective date of fee. Starting point date we would", "startTime": "01:30:17,794", "endTime": "01:30:19,361" }, { "index": 1464, "text": "like to put out would go into effect JANUARY 1, 2028.", "startTime": "01:30:21,164", "endTime": "01:30:24,660" }, { "index": 1465, "text": "Some of the things that we", "startTime": "01:30:26,169", "endTime": "01:30:28,169" }, { "index": 1466, "text": "thought of when we were thinking about appropriate timeline.", "startTime": "01:30:31,400", "endTime": "01:30:33,108" }, { "index": 1467, "text": "Pacific power's compliance for", "startTime": "01:30:33,643", "endTime": "01:30:35,643" }, { "index": 1468, "text": "house bill 2021.", "startTime": "01:30:36,279", "endTime": "01:30:38,279" }, { "index": 1469, "text": "Part was based on understanding", "startTime": "01:30:39,649", "endTime": "01:30:41,649" }, { "index": 1470, "text": "that pacific power has rfp open", "startTime": "01:30:42,952", "endTime": "01:30:44,952" }, { "index": 1471, "text": "this year that might take to", "startTime": "01:30:45,255", "endTime": "01:30:47,255" }, { "index": 1472, "text": "ends of year for costs to give information about compliance", "startTime": "01:30:48,525", "endTime": "01:30:50,727" }, { "index": 1473, "text": "timelines.", "startTime": "01:30:50,727", "endTime": "01:30:52,727" }, { "index": 1474, "text": "We might get information sooner. That is interesting", "startTime": "01:30:54,164", "endTime": "01:30:56,465" }, { "index": 1475, "text": "consideration.", "startTime": "01:30:57,901", "endTime": "01:30:59,901" }, { "index": 1476, "text": "Another one is ideas implementation of OCTOBER 2026", "startTime": "01:31:07,377", "endTime": "01:31:09,645" }, { "index": 1477, "text": "that becomes mandatory APRIL of 2027 legislative session next year.", "startTime": "01:31:16,486", "endTime": "01:31:19,221" }, { "index": 1478, "text": "We did hear from pacific power", "startTime": "01:31:20,857", "endTime": "01:31:22,857" }, { "index": 1479, "text": "today there is potential rumors", "startTime": "01:31:24,694", "endTime": "01:31:26,694" }, { "index": 1480, "text": "of changes to greenhouse gas", "startTime": "01:31:29,433", "endTime": "01:31:31,433" }, { "index": 1481, "text": "bill 2021 which would have significant impact on how fee is", "startTime": "01:31:33,360", "endTime": "01:31:35,305" }, { "index": 1482, "text": "calculated. Anything in the legislative", "startTime": "01:31:35,305", "endTime": "01:31:37,840" }, { "index": 1483, "text": "session we need time to accommodate.", "startTime": "01:31:40,343", "endTime": "01:31:43,790" }, { "index": 1484, "text": "this is the starting place.", "startTime": "01:31:46,149", "endTime": "01:31:48,149" }, { "index": 1485, "text": "Happy to hear about the timeline or other considerations.", "startTime": "01:31:48,452", "endTime": "01:31:50,687" }, { "index": 1486, "text": "Thinking about the the things and", "startTime": "01:31:50,687", "endTime": "01:31:52,956" }, { "index": 1487, "text": "when the fee should be in effect.", "startTime": "01:31:53,490", "endTime": "01:31:55,257" }, { "index": 1488, "text": "Our next topic.", "startTime": "01:31:55,559", "endTime": "01:31:57,559" }, { "index": 1489, "text": "I want to acknowledge 5:30 P.M.", "startTime": "01:31:59,463", "endTime": "01:32:01,463" }, { "index": 1490, "text": "If not done at 6:00 we will keep going.", "startTime": "01:32:01,999", "endTime": "01:32:03,232" }, { "index": 1491, "text": "If you can stay, that is great. If you have to leave at 6:00", "startTime": "01:32:05,402", "endTime": "01:32:08,170" }, { "index": 1492, "text": "tell me so I can call on you.", "startTime": "01:32:11,542", "endTime": "01:32:13,542" }, { "index": 1493, "text": "Who wants to kickoff on implementation ideas or", "startTime": "01:32:15,779", "endTime": "01:32:18,114" }, { "index": 1494, "text": "thoughts. >> pacific power does not have timeline.", "startTime": "01:32:24,888", "endTime": "01:32:26,990" }, { "index": 1495, "text": "We will keep staff and council", "startTime": "01:32:28,859", "endTime": "01:32:30,859" }, { "index": 1496, "text": "appraised of changes in the regulatory compliance and go", "startTime": "01:32:32,363", "endTime": "01:32:35,231" }, { "index": 1497, "text": "over anything in the legislative session to impact gas emissions", "startTime": "01:32:36,734", "endTime": "01:32:38,969" }, { "index": 1498, "text": "for us.", "startTime": "01:32:38,969", "endTime": "01:32:40,969" }, { "index": 1499, "text": "thank you for that.", "startTime": "01:32:41,305", "endTime": "01:32:43,305" }, { "index": 1500, "text": "I think my thought would be", "startTime": "01:32:44,508", "endTime": "01:32:46,508" }, { "index": 1501, "text": "that if I believe council's", "startTime": "01:32:47,545", "endTime": "01:32:49,545" }, { "index": 1502, "text": "intent is to reduce carbon,", "startTime": "01:32:49,947", "endTime": "01:32:51,947" }, { "index": 1503, "text": "right, in the city?", "startTime": "01:32:53,951", "endTime": "01:32:55,951" }, { "index": 1504, "text": "Until pacific power gets to where they reduce emissions.", "startTime": "01:32:55,953", "endTime": "01:32:58,922" }, { "index": 1505, "text": "They say they can meet that goal around 2029 or 30.", "startTime": "01:33:00,758", "endTime": "01:33:02,959" }, { "index": 1506, "text": "I ask it be pushed out until", "startTime": "01:33:05,763", "endTime": "01:33:07,763" }, { "index": 1507, "text": "2029 or 30 medical", "startTime": "01:33:10,401", "endTime": "01:33:12,401" }, { "index": 1508, "text": "30 or until they prove they met that goal.", "startTime": "01:33:17,174", "endTime": "01:33:19,376" }, { "index": 1509, "text": "we are wants to participate in the pilot program.", "startTime": "01:33:20,645", "endTime": "01:33:23,413" }, { "index": 1510, "text": "I would love to have that play", "startTime": "01:33:24,482", "endTime": "01:33:26,482" }, { "index": 1511, "text": "out, study data prior to fee being imposed.", "startTime": "01:33:26,884", "endTime": "01:33:29,653" }, { "index": 1512, "text": "Happy to get into more depth what we envision from pilot.", "startTime": "01:33:31,422", "endTime": "01:33:33,290" }, { "index": 1513, "text": "we haven't had chance to do that in two minutes to council.", "startTime": "01:33:34,892", "endTime": "01:33:37,861" }, { "index": 1514, "text": "Open to questions. >> policymaking is not perfect.", "startTime": "01:33:44,201", "endTime": "01:33:46,736" }, { "index": 1515, "text": "We are never going to make decisions in a vacuum.", "startTime": "01:33:47,806", "endTime": "01:33:50,774" }, { "index": 1516, "text": "If it is ongoing pilot or pilot", "startTime": "01:33:52,610", "endTime": "01:33:54,610" }, { "index": 1517, "text": "that might happen in the future,", "startTime": "01:33:56,247", "endTime": "01:33:58,247" }, { "index": 1518, "text": "hb2021 or climate protection or", "startTime": "01:33:58,349", "endTime": "01:34:00,349" }, { "index": 1519, "text": "building code update or speculation on legislative", "startTime": "01:34:01,986", "endTime": "01:34:03,720" }, { "index": 1520, "text": "session or new federal administration.", "startTime": "01:34:05,890", "endTime": "01:34:07,457" }, { "index": 1521, "text": "Something dynamic that is nature of the things.", "startTime": "01:34:08,493", "endTime": "01:34:10,394" }, { "index": 1522, "text": "At some point we have to stop", "startTime": "01:34:11,496", "endTime": "01:34:13,496" }, { "index": 1523, "text": "collecting data and do something", "startTime": "01:34:13,565", "endTime": "01:34:15,565" }, { "index": 1524, "text": "because we are in a vacuuming of leadership.", "startTime": "01:34:19,370", "endTime": "01:34:20,471" }, { "index": 1525, "text": "We are backsliding since the", "startTime": "01:34:22,407", "endTime": "01:34:24,407" }, { "index": 1526, "text": "first inventory.", "startTime": "01:34:25,276", "endTime": "01:34:27,276" }, { "index": 1527, "text": "Bend admissions have gone up 20%.", "startTime": "01:34:27,779", "endTime": "01:34:28,959" }, { "index": 1528, "text": "We are headed for bad wildfire season.", "startTime": "01:34:33,885", "endTime": "01:34:35,452" }, { "index": 1529, "text": "We have to just try something at some point.", "startTime": "01:34:36,855", "endTime": "01:34:38,222" }, { "index": 1530, "text": "This is already a very modest option.", "startTime": "01:34:40,692", "endTime": "01:34:43,395" }, { "index": 1531, "text": "Originally the restriction was", "startTime": "01:34:43,395", "endTime": "01:34:45,395" }, { "index": 1532, "text": "on the table.", "startTime": "01:34:45,730", "endTime": "01:34:47,730" }, { "index": 1533, "text": "It is scaled back the level of", "startTime": "01:34:47,799", "endTime": "01:34:49,799" }, { "index": 1534, "text": "action because of concerns from", "startTime": "01:34:50,435", "endTime": "01:34:52,435" }, { "index": 1535, "text": "affordable housing and economic development.", "startTime": "01:34:54,139", "endTime": "01:34:55,773" }, { "index": 1536, "text": "We need to remember climate", "startTime": "01:34:57,542", "endTime": "01:34:59,542" }, { "index": 1537, "text": "action is being go stewards of", "startTime": "01:35:01,460", "endTime": "01:35:03,460" }, { "index": 1538, "text": "environment be with healthy air.", "startTime": "01:35:03,448", "endTime": "01:35:05,448" }, { "index": 1539, "text": "That makes bend economically viable. We need to try something and", "startTime": "01:35:06,618", "endTime": "01:35:09,587" }, { "index": 1540, "text": "check in on policy. That is good development.", "startTime": "01:35:09,988", "endTime": "01:35:12,656" }, { "index": 1541, "text": "We think the city should do that", "startTime": "01:35:14,726", "endTime": "01:35:16,726" }, { "index": 1542, "text": "to make sure it is not having unintended consequences.", "startTime": "01:35:18,130", "endTime": "01:35:19,897" }, { "index": 1543, "text": "Some are wrong and useful.", "startTime": "01:35:20,832", "endTime": "01:35:22,832" }, { "index": 1544, "text": "We need to try to collect real data and tweak things down the", "startTime": "01:35:24,335", "endTime": "01:35:27,710" }, { "index": 1545, "text": "road. april 2027. >> what day.", "startTime": "01:35:28,206", "endTime": "01:35:31,175" }, { "index": 1546, "text": "in line with the building", "startTime": "01:35:31,376", "endTime": "01:35:33,376" }, { "index": 1547, "text": "codes update for developers to", "startTime": "01:35:33,578", "endTime": "01:35:35,578" }, { "index": 1548, "text": "have single compliance calendar.", "startTime": "01:35:38,283", "endTime": "01:35:40,283" }, { "index": 1549, "text": "ecc recommends start day JULY 1, 2027.", "startTime": "01:35:41,987", "endTime": "01:35:43,987" }, { "index": 1550, "text": "We do not think we should wait", "startTime": "01:35:44,389", "endTime": "01:35:46,389" }, { "index": 1551, "text": "until JANUARY 1, 2028 primarily due to speculation of legislative session.", "startTime": "01:35:49,628", "endTime": "01:35:51,962" }, { "index": 1552, "text": "If anything comes up in that", "startTime": "01:35:53,599", "endTime": "01:35:55,599" }, { "index": 1553, "text": "legislative session we could", "startTime": "01:35:56,101", "endTime": "01:35:58,101" }, { "index": 1554, "text": "delay and amend as needed. We need climate action now.", "startTime": "01:36:01,400", "endTime": "01:36:03,375" }, { "index": 1555, "text": "I want to note based on, david, your point.", "startTime": "01:36:05,311", "endTime": "01:36:07,746" }, { "index": 1556, "text": "These appliances can last up to 20 years.", "startTime": "01:36:09,114", "endTime": "01:36:11,348" }, { "index": 1557, "text": "If we install electric now or gas now, those will last for 20", "startTime": "01:36:14,286", "endTime": "01:36:16,789" }, { "index": 1558, "text": "years.", "startTime": "01:36:16,789", "endTime": "01:36:18,789" }, { "index": 1559, "text": "In that 20 year lifespan we are assuming pacific power could", "startTime": "01:36:26,432", "endTime": "01:36:27,999" }, { "index": 1560, "text": "change drastically.", "startTime": "01:36:28,767", "endTime": "01:36:30,767" }, { "index": 1561, "text": "We want to build smart from the", "startTime": "01:36:31,971", "endTime": "01:36:33,971" }, { "index": 1562, "text": "start knowing these systems last", "startTime": "01:36:34,440", "endTime": "01:36:36,440" }, { "index": 1563, "text": "quite awhile.", "startTime": "01:36:36,442", "endTime": "01:36:38,442" }, { "index": 1564, "text": "sarah. >> we would land with garrett", "startTime": "01:36:39,145", "endTime": "01:36:41,579" }, { "index": 1565, "text": "and the conversations around the pilot.", "startTime": "01:36:43,116", "endTime": "01:36:44,316" }, { "index": 1566, "text": "When I look at forming opinion on implementation of this.", "startTime": "01:36:46,386", "endTime": "01:36:49,200" }, { "index": 1567, "text": "I think about north star housing", "startTime": "01:36:52,458", "endTime": "01:36:54,458" }, { "index": 1568, "text": "affordabilities. 53% of the people working in", "startTime": "01:36:54,894", "endTime": "01:36:57,262" }, { "index": 1569, "text": "bend don't live in bend.", "startTime": "01:36:57,363", "endTime": "01:36:59,363" }, { "index": 1570, "text": "That is something we need to do something about.", "startTime": "01:36:59,666", "endTime": "01:37:01,967" }, { "index": 1571, "text": "Yesterday we were at park side place. We are making progress.", "startTime": "01:37:04,300", "endTime": "01:37:06,271" }, { "index": 1572, "text": "We can't hold gas on that kind of progress.", "startTime": "01:37:07,640", "endTime": "01:37:09,441" }, { "index": 1573, "text": "That is my lens I am coming from trying to balance with the", "startTime": "01:37:10,810", "endTime": "01:37:13,245" }, { "index": 1574, "text": "concerns that we are talking about with climate. -", "startTime": "01:37:15,581", "endTime": "01:37:17,200" }, { "index": 1575, "text": "I think it is important that we", "startTime": "01:37:17,850", "endTime": "01:37:19,850" }, { "index": 1576, "text": "have a lot of different policymaking at the city", "startTime": "01:37:21,687", "endTime": "01:37:23,422" }, { "index": 1577, "text": "sometimes happens in silos.", "startTime": "01:37:23,956", "endTime": "01:37:25,956" }, { "index": 1578, "text": "We have the home hardening building 327 expedited that", "startTime": "01:37:28,294", "endTime": "01:37:30,796" }, { "index": 1579, "text": "makes sense to expedite from", "startTime": "01:37:35,268", "endTime": "01:37:37,268" }, { "index": 1580, "text": "wildlife, wildfire prevention, tree code conversation, natural", "startTime": "01:37:37,871", "endTime": "01:37:40,472" }, { "index": 1581, "text": "gas fee code conversation.", "startTime": "01:37:41,700", "endTime": "01:37:43,700" }, { "index": 1582, "text": "All of these things are tiny chunks of affordabilities.", "startTime": "01:37:45,645", "endTime": "01:37:48,347" }, { "index": 1583, "text": "Time and space to sequence some", "startTime": "01:37:50,416", "endTime": "01:37:52,416" }, { "index": 1584, "text": "of those decisions in a manner that makes sense and affects", "startTime": "01:37:53,186", "endTime": "01:37:55,721" }, { "index": 1585, "text": "affordability and what we do for the community is something I", "startTime": "01:37:56,122", "endTime": "01:37:58,991" }, { "index": 1586, "text": "support and members support.", "startTime": "01:38:01,161", "endTime": "01:38:03,161" }, { "index": 1587, "text": "I guess I will leave it at that. I would love to hear more about", "startTime": "01:38:05,365", "endTime": "01:38:07,866" }, { "index": 1588, "text": "the pilot at garrett.", "startTime": "01:38:09,136", "endTime": "01:38:11,136" }, { "index": 1589, "text": "did you have a question?", "startTime": "01:38:12,639", "endTime": "01:38:14,639" }, { "index": 1590, "text": "cassie, I want to set for the room.", "startTime": "01:38:16,576", "endTime": "01:38:17,910" }, { "index": 1591, "text": "Building code update coming in right here.", "startTime": "01:38:18,878", "endTime": "01:38:20,546" }, { "index": 1592, "text": "Can you tell us to explain the effect of that building code in", "startTime": "01:38:22,949", "endTime": "01:38:25,884" }, { "index": 1593, "text": "terms of installation of new", "startTime": "01:38:27,954", "endTime": "01:38:29,954" }, { "index": 1594, "text": "equipment into homes in the hvac world.", "startTime": "01:38:32,459", "endTime": "01:38:33,759" }, { "index": 1595, "text": "if a building codes person wants to jump in.", "startTime": "01:38:36,960", "endTime": "01:38:37,696" }, { "index": 1596, "text": "I will take a stab at it.", "startTime": "01:38:41,101", "endTime": "01:38:43,101" }, { "index": 1597, "text": "Improves energy efficiency with", "startTime": "01:38:43,703", "endTime": "01:38:45,703" }, { "index": 1598, "text": "new construction by 30%.", "startTime": "01:38:46,339", "endTime": "01:38:48,339" }, { "index": 1599, "text": "I think that is maybe all I can", "startTime": "01:38:50,177", "endTime": "01:38:52,177" }, { "index": 1600, "text": "say confidently. Anything to add from the building people?", "startTime": "01:38:52,913", "endTime": "01:38:55,748" }, { "index": 1601, "text": "what I am trying to get at.", "startTime": "01:38:57,117", "endTime": "01:38:59,117" }, { "index": 1602, "text": "In most cases a c unit installed", "startTime": "01:38:59,653", "endTime": "01:39:01,653" }, { "index": 1603, "text": "in a home will require a heat pump.", "startTime": "01:39:03,457", "endTime": "01:39:04,657" }, { "index": 1604, "text": "thank you for reminding me about that part.", "startTime": "01:39:05,926", "endTime": "01:39:07,326" }, { "index": 1605, "text": "Another part of the code", "startTime": "01:39:08,762", "endTime": "01:39:10,762" }, { "index": 1606, "text": "air-conditioning installed it has to be heat pump to ensure", "startTime": "01:39:11,832", "endTime": "01:39:13,566" }, { "index": 1607, "text": "any home with air-conditioning", "startTime": "01:39:15,602", "endTime": "01:39:17,602" }, { "index": 1608, "text": "which is many of them have a heat pump.", "startTime": "01:39:19,439", "endTime": "01:39:21,541" }, { "index": 1609, "text": "Gas furnace sets up for duel fuel options that will have an", "startTime": "01:39:23,877", "endTime": "01:39:26,746" }, { "index": 1610, "text": "impact as well. >> I am asking that question", "startTime": "01:39:26,914", "endTime": "01:39:29,248" }, { "index": 1611, "text": "because I do acknowledge", "startTime": "01:39:30,884", "endTime": "01:39:32,884" }, { "index": 1612, "text": "affordability and agree with sarah it is my north star as", "startTime": "01:39:33,287", "endTime": "01:39:35,322" }, { "index": 1613, "text": "well.", "startTime": "01:39:35,322", "endTime": "01:39:37,322" }, { "index": 1614, "text": "That is a way to really avoid a", "startTime": "01:39:39,260", "endTime": "01:39:41,260" }, { "index": 1615, "text": "large portion of al lakarstify.", "startTime": "01:39:41,829", "endTime": "01:39:43,829" }, { "index": 1616, "text": "That is $1,500 bucks in cost.", "startTime": "01:39:46,867", "endTime": "01:39:48,867" }, { "index": 1617, "text": "Three quarters of fee goes away", "startTime": "01:39:49,503", "endTime": "01:39:51,503" }, { "index": 1618, "text": "when this drops into our laps here in APRIL next year.", "startTime": "01:39:52,390", "endTime": "01:39:54,574" }, { "index": 1619, "text": "I think that helps with affordability.", "startTime": "01:39:58,913", "endTime": "01:40:00,346" }, { "index": 1620, "text": "until we make decision on the", "startTime": "01:40:01,315", "endTime": "01:40:03,315" }, { "index": 1621, "text": "dual fuel systems.", "startTime": "01:40:05,152", "endTime": "01:40:07,152" }, { "index": 1622, "text": "If someone puts in gas furnace cost would be there.", "startTime": "01:40:07,654", "endTime": "01:40:09,256" }, { "index": 1623, "text": "It could be automatically", "startTime": "01:40:10,457", "endTime": "01:40:12,457" }, { "index": 1624, "text": "driving more electric systems if people put it in for sure.", "startTime": "01:40:13,661", "endTime": "01:40:16,462" }, { "index": 1625, "text": "thank you.", "startTime": "01:40:20,835", "endTime": "01:40:22,835" }, { "index": 1626, "text": "I will go to you and then to garrett.", "startTime": "01:40:24,238", "endTime": "01:40:25,705" }, { "index": 1627, "text": "a couple members of committee", "startTime": "01:40:26,574", "endTime": "01:40:28,574" }, { "index": 1628, "text": "that were concerned about the layering on of fees.", "startTime": "01:40:29,210", "endTime": "01:40:31,311" }, { "index": 1629, "text": "If we go route of exemption for", "startTime": "01:40:32,914", "endTime": "01:40:34,914" }, { "index": 1630, "text": "up to 1:20 A.M. I, there is less", "startTime": "01:40:39,220", "endTime": "01:40:41,220" }, { "index": 1631, "text": "concern because it was the hardening.", "startTime": "01:40:43,591", "endTime": "01:40:44,858" }, { "index": 1632, "text": "We want to reduce barriers for affordable middle.", "startTime": "01:40:48,196", "endTime": "01:40:50,697" }, { "index": 1633, "text": "garrett pilot program could", "startTime": "01:40:52,166", "endTime": "01:40:54,166" }, { "index": 1634, "text": "you explain we are in the world of timeline.", "startTime": "01:40:55,403", "endTime": "01:40:58,371" }, { "index": 1635, "text": "What do you mean?", "startTime": "01:41:01,800", "endTime": "01:41:03,800" }, { "index": 1636, "text": "the time limited aspect study", "startTime": "01:41:03,444", "endTime": "01:41:05,444" }, { "index": 1637, "text": "at least a year to collect the", "startTime": "01:41:05,913", "endTime": "01:41:07,913" }, { "index": 1638, "text": "energy use data to understand the grid impacts. Construction data collection.", "startTime": "01:41:09,450", "endTime": "01:41:12,252" }, { "index": 1639, "text": "This is what I vision how this", "startTime": "01:41:14,256", "endTime": "01:41:16,256" }, { "index": 1640, "text": "comes to life. Three members of production builders now.", "startTime": "01:41:16,758", "endTime": "01:41:18,258" }, { "index": 1641, "text": "We hope to do this at scale.", "startTime": "01:41:19,827", "endTime": "01:41:21,827" }, { "index": 1642, "text": "Willing in upcoming projecs to", "startTime": "01:41:22,697", "endTime": "01:41:24,697" }, { "index": 1643, "text": "identify select homes to have a side by sides comparison", "startTime": "01:41:25,633", "endTime": "01:41:27,501" }, { "index": 1644, "text": "building all electric next to", "startTime": "01:41:28,570", "endTime": "01:41:30,570" }, { "index": 1645, "text": "all gas. The reason that selecting homes", "startTime": "01:41:30,939", "endTime": "01:41:33,674" }, { "index": 1646, "text": "in same project matters.", "startTime": "01:41:35,844", "endTime": "01:41:37,844" }, { "index": 1647, "text": "All projects are different.", "startTime": "01:41:38,379", "endTime": "01:41:40,379" }, { "index": 1648, "text": "Same land two different products", "startTime": "01:41:41,449", "endTime": "01:41:43,449" }, { "index": 1649, "text": "best way to collect data. Alongside high efficient", "startTime": "01:41:44,152", "endTime": "01:41:47,121" }, { "index": 1650, "text": "electric equipment was mentioned.", "startTime": "01:41:47,122", "endTime": "01:41:48,889" }, { "index": 1651, "text": "We have high performance builders.", "startTime": "01:41:51,826", "endTime": "01:41:53,930" }, { "index": 1652, "text": "One has offered to be a consultant.", "startTime": "01:42:00,702", "endTime": "01:42:02,200" }, { "index": 1653, "text": "We want to look at climate goals.", "startTime": "01:42:04,390", "endTime": "01:42:05,272" }, { "index": 1654, "text": "Here is time line.", "startTime": "01:42:06,908", "endTime": "01:42:08,908" }, { "index": 1655, "text": "Our members talked like quickest two years to get homes", "startTime": "01:42:10,646", "endTime": "01:42:13,314" }, { "index": 1656, "text": "identified, built, sold and study.", "startTime": "01:42:14,490", "endTime": "01:42:15,482" }, { "index": 1657, "text": "Two to three is roughly what we are thinking with city support", "startTime": "01:42:16,384", "endTime": "01:42:19,153" }, { "index": 1658, "text": "and permitting process.", "startTime": "01:42:20,254", "endTime": "01:42:22,254" }, { "index": 1659, "text": "We could get closer to two.", "startTime": "01:42:24,326", "endTime": "01:42:26,326" }, { "index": 1660, "text": "Also, a piece I missed with home selection we need diverse", "startTime": "01:42:26,661", "endTime": "01:42:29,430" }, { "index": 1661, "text": "selection of homes.", "startTime": "01:42:31,466", "endTime": "01:42:33,466" }, { "index": 1662, "text": "Townhome, single story detached,", "startTime": "01:42:34,636", "endTime": "01:42:36,636" }, { "index": 1663, "text": "two-story detached how it contributes to emissions and", "startTime": "01:42:37,239", "endTime": "01:42:39,907" }, { "index": 1664, "text": "what affordability looks like in direct costs.", "startTime": "01:42:43,812", "endTime": "01:42:45,713" }, { "index": 1665, "text": "what you are saying policy", "startTime": "01:42:46,882", "endTime": "01:42:48,882" }, { "index": 1666, "text": "would not apply city-wide two to", "startTime": "01:42:49,885", "endTime": "01:42:51,885" }, { "index": 1667, "text": "three years only in certain ways", "startTime": "01:42:52,120", "endTime": "01:42:54,120" }, { "index": 1668, "text": "as we study data before going", "startTime": "01:42:54,990", "endTime": "01:42:56,990" }, { "index": 1669, "text": "city-wide? >> yes.", "startTime": "01:42:57,392", "endTime": "01:42:58,893" }, { "index": 1670, "text": "I tried to make as brief as possible. >> I understood it.", "startTime": "01:43:03,665", "endTime": "01:43:06,340" }, { "index": 1671, "text": "Mandy. >> brief question.", "startTime": "01:43:06,340", "endTime": "01:43:07,468" }, { "index": 1672, "text": "Why would you not look retroactively at information", "startTime": "01:43:10,873", "endTime": "01:43:13,740" }, { "index": 1673, "text": "there are houses and buildings and data.", "startTime": "01:43:14,576", "endTime": "01:43:16,477" }, { "index": 1674, "text": "why would you need to builds", "startTime": "01:43:19,281", "endTime": "01:43:21,281" }, { "index": 1675, "text": "homes, wait timeframes versus", "startTime": "01:43:22,284", "endTime": "01:43:24,284" }, { "index": 1676, "text": "identifying the homes.", "startTime": "01:43:24,320", "endTime": "01:43:26,320" }, { "index": 1677, "text": "one of the challenges with", "startTime": "01:43:26,556", "endTime": "01:43:28,556" }, { "index": 1678, "text": "development costs it is sourced regionally not specifically to", "startTime": "01:43:28,691", "endTime": "01:43:30,792" }, { "index": 1679, "text": "bend. We have unique codes.", "startTime": "01:43:30,893", "endTime": "01:43:33,194" }, { "index": 1680, "text": "To do here to collect local data", "startTime": "01:43:36,265", "endTime": "01:43:38,265" }, { "index": 1681, "text": "would be most impact", "startTime": "01:43:41,270", "endTime": "01:43:43,270" }, { "index": 1682, "text": "impact full. Second part of question.", "startTime": "01:43:45,574", "endTime": "01:43:48,443" }, { "index": 1683, "text": "why won't you identify locally?", "startTime": "01:43:48,844", "endTime": "01:43:50,780" }, { "index": 1684, "text": "that is comparing variables.", "startTime": "01:43:52,140", "endTime": "01:43:54,140" }, { "index": 1685, "text": "All electric home built here and here.", "startTime": "01:43:55,618", "endTime": "01:43:57,152" }, { "index": 1686, "text": "There are different costs", "startTime": "01:43:59,210", "endTime": "01:44:01,210" }, { "index": 1687, "text": "associated with that because of difference in pieces of land.", "startTime": "01:44:01,900", "endTime": "01:44:03,491" }, { "index": 1688, "text": "Side by sides with gas and and", "startTime": "01:44:07,863", "endTime": "01:44:09,863" }, { "index": 1689, "text": "electric home we control the variables.", "startTime": "01:44:10,833", "endTime": "01:44:12,133" }, { "index": 1690, "text": "any other questions on that", "startTime": "01:44:14,537", "endTime": "01:44:16,537" }, { "index": 1691, "text": "or ideas?", "startTime": "01:44:16,706", "endTime": "01:44:18,706" }, { "index": 1692, "text": "Councilor mendez. >> we heard concern about", "startTime": "01:44:19,208", "endTime": "01:44:21,209" }, { "index": 1693, "text": "delaying until we have more sent", "startTime": "01:44:24,447", "endTime": "01:44:26,447" }, { "index": 1694, "text": "on the pathway to complying with hb2021.", "startTime": "01:44:27,950", "endTime": "01:44:29,484" }, { "index": 1695, "text": "We talk about importance of", "startTime": "01:44:30,887", "endTime": "01:44:32,887" }, { "index": 1696, "text": "comparing high efficiency to low", "startTime": "01:44:35,792", "endTime": "01:44:37,792" }, { "index": 1697, "text": "efficiency electrification.", "startTime": "01:44:38,861", "endTime": "01:44:40,861" }, { "index": 1698, "text": "Council had a preference for", "startTime": "01:44:41,831", "endTime": "01:44:43,831" }, { "index": 1699, "text": "high efficiency electric appliances.", "startTime": "01:44:52,108", "endTime": "01:44:53,542" }, { "index": 1700, "text": "To what extent does 2021", "startTime": "01:44:58,581", "endTime": "01:45:00,581" }, { "index": 1701, "text": "compliance the efficiency of the", "startTime": "01:45:03,620", "endTime": "01:45:05,620" }, { "index": 1702, "text": "electrical appliances", "startTime": "01:45:05,788", "endTime": "01:45:07,788" }, { "index": 1703, "text": "implemented?", "startTime": "01:45:08,324", "endTime": "01:45:10,324" }, { "index": 1704, "text": "even with -- with low", "startTime": "01:45:11,928", "endTime": "01:45:13,928" }, { "index": 1705, "text": "efficiency equipment, pacific", "startTime": "01:45:14,297", "endTime": "01:45:16,297" }, { "index": 1706, "text": "power not in compliance with", "startTime": "01:45:16,733", "endTime": "01:45:18,733" }, { "index": 1707, "text": "2021 is a very big problem.", "startTime": "01:45:20,236", "endTime": "01:45:22,236" }, { "index": 1708, "text": "High emission electricity and quantity consumed is high", "startTime": "01:45:22,572", "endTime": "01:45:24,106" }, { "index": 1709, "text": "because of low efficiency. Efficient equipment the concern", "startTime": "01:45:26,509", "endTime": "01:45:29,111" }, { "index": 1710, "text": "goes down because it should be less energy used in total since", "startTime": "01:45:30,213", "endTime": "01:45:32,948" }, { "index": 1711, "text": "that is used efficiency. Electricity used is dirty.", "startTime": "01:45:36,419", "endTime": "01:45:38,821" }, { "index": 1712, "text": "The concern is still there.", "startTime": "01:45:39,623", "endTime": "01:45:41,623" }, { "index": 1713, "text": "Our analysis shows that using", "startTime": "01:45:45,529", "endTime": "01:45:47,529" }, { "index": 1714, "text": "today's mix even when pacific power homes some of the", "startTime": "01:45:47,931", "endTime": "01:45:50,299" }, { "index": 1715, "text": "equipment including high efficiency equipment over the", "startTime": "01:45:51,268", "endTime": "01:45:53,569" }, { "index": 1716, "text": "life cycle of the equipment", "startTime": "01:45:54,738", "endTime": "01:45:56,738" }, { "index": 1717, "text": "would still have like a higher", "startTime": "01:45:57,507", "endTime": "01:45:59,507" }, { "index": 1718, "text": "carbon impact using high", "startTime": "01:46:01,211", "endTime": "01:46:03,211" }, { "index": 1719, "text": "efficiency heat pump at today's", "startTime": "01:46:07,500", "endTime": "01:46:09,500" }, { "index": 1720, "text": "grid mix compared to gas. Grid mix still matters with high", "startTime": "01:46:13,757", "endTime": "01:46:16,193" }, { "index": 1721, "text": "efficiency.", "startTime": "01:46:16,193", "endTime": "01:46:18,193" }, { "index": 1722, "text": "It matters a lot with low efficiency.", "startTime": "01:46:20,831", "endTime": "01:46:23,666" }, { "index": 1723, "text": "From a cost perspective and grid perspective.", "startTime": "01:46:28,806", "endTime": "01:46:30,439" }, { "index": 1724, "text": "anything to add to that?", "startTime": "01:46:31,441", "endTime": "01:46:33,441" }, { "index": 1725, "text": "she did great job.", "startTime": "01:46:36,780", "endTime": "01:46:38,780" }, { "index": 1726, "text": "other ideas or information", "startTime": "01:46:39,316", "endTime": "01:46:41,316" }, { "index": 1727, "text": "that folks want us to know?", "startTime": "01:46:41,752", "endTime": "01:46:43,752" }, { "index": 1728, "text": "I would like to support the pilot programs.", "startTime": "01:46:43,854", "endTime": "01:46:46,550" }, { "index": 1729, "text": "Not only with all electric and", "startTime": "01:46:47,558", "endTime": "01:46:49,558" }, { "index": 1730, "text": "all gas, but adding possibly a", "startTime": "01:46:51,195", "endTime": "01:46:53,195" }, { "index": 1731, "text": "third which is a hybrid home whatever that MAY be, not just", "startTime": "01:46:54,798", "endTime": "01:46:57,533" }, { "index": 1732, "text": "one or the other. Different ways of doing that.", "startTime": "01:46:58,168", "endTime": "01:47:00,403" }, { "index": 1733, "text": "When you touched on the efficiencies, when you talk", "startTime": "01:47:01,906", "endTime": "01:47:04,700" }, { "index": 1734, "text": "about all electric home, most affordable housing currently", "startTime": "01:47:06,977", "endTime": "01:47:08,611" }, { "index": 1735, "text": "that I see being produced out", "startTime": "01:47:09,546", "endTime": "01:47:11,546" }, { "index": 1736, "text": "there is using the most horrible electric appliances.", "startTime": "01:47:13,617", "endTime": "01:47:15,485" }, { "index": 1737, "text": "That is something we need to", "startTime": "01:47:17,540", "endTime": "01:47:19,540" }, { "index": 1738, "text": "look at. >> great.", "startTime": "01:47:20,191", "endTime": "01:47:21,825" }, { "index": 1739, "text": "Other thoughts on this part of", "startTime": "01:47:24,228", "endTime": "01:47:26,228" }, { "index": 1740, "text": "the discussion? >> question about the pilot idea.", "startTime": "01:47:27,832", "endTime": "01:47:30,466" }, { "index": 1741, "text": "In addition to why not look retroactively?", "startTime": "01:47:32,770", "endTime": "01:47:34,637" }, { "index": 1742, "text": "If you have gone to the", "startTime": "01:47:35,720", "endTime": "01:47:37,720" }, { "index": 1743, "text": "neighbor's house and felt it is too cold or too hot compared to your house.", "startTime": "01:47:37,742", "endTime": "01:47:40,577" }, { "index": 1744, "text": "You know the baseline of what", "startTime": "01:47:41,746", "endTime": "01:47:43,746" }, { "index": 1745, "text": "you set the thermostat to makes", "startTime": "01:47:44,582", "endTime": "01:47:46,582" }, { "index": 1746, "text": "a difference if home are same", "startTime": "01:47:47,719", "endTime": "01:47:49,719" }, { "index": 1747, "text": "and right next to each other.", "startTime": "01:47:49,921", "endTime": "01:47:51,921" }, { "index": 1748, "text": "Puzzled why it would be so important two houses next to", "startTime": "01:47:52,323", "endTime": "01:47:54,624" }, { "index": 1749, "text": "each other.", "startTime": "01:47:56,794", "endTime": "01:47:58,794" }, { "index": 1750, "text": "How do we control for thermostat size?", "startTime": "01:48:00,631", "endTime": "01:48:02,632" }, { "index": 1751, "text": "we hope to have enough scale", "startTime": "01:48:03,167", "endTime": "01:48:05,167" }, { "index": 1752, "text": "to take average to calculate for energy use.", "startTime": "01:48:05,236", "endTime": "01:48:07,300" }, { "index": 1753, "text": "That is a big piece of that if", "startTime": "01:48:08,206", "endTime": "01:48:10,206" }, { "index": 1754, "text": "we want to study grid and", "startTime": "01:48:11,109", "endTime": "01:48:13,109" }, { "index": 1755, "text": "utility rates we track usage", "startTime": "01:48:13,878", "endTime": "01:48:15,878" }, { "index": 1756, "text": "data which we need help from utility friends at the end of", "startTime": "01:48:16,280", "endTime": "01:48:18,582" }, { "index": 1757, "text": "the room to do. At big enough scale we could", "startTime": "01:48:20,251", "endTime": "01:48:22,586" }, { "index": 1758, "text": "average that out.", "startTime": "01:48:25,657", "endTime": "01:48:27,657" }, { "index": 1759, "text": "One more piece. That came up in our conversations with members.", "startTime": "01:48:27,859", "endTime": "01:48:30,527" }, { "index": 1760, "text": "If the fees associated with individual piece of equipment.", "startTime": "01:48:32,464", "endTime": "01:48:34,898" }, { "index": 1761, "text": "If council or city wanted to see", "startTime": "01:48:35,767", "endTime": "01:48:37,767" }, { "index": 1762, "text": "that hybrid approach we are happy to do that.", "startTime": "01:48:37,836", "endTime": "01:48:40,470" }, { "index": 1763, "text": "If someone wanted to pay for gas fireplace upgrade we could do", "startTime": "01:48:44,242", "endTime": "01:48:46,610" }, { "index": 1764, "text": "home or two for that.", "startTime": "01:48:47,110", "endTime": "01:48:49,110" }, { "index": 1765, "text": "We are flexible and appreciate", "startTime": "01:48:51,716", "endTime": "01:48:53,716" }, { "index": 1766, "text": "feedback from the city. >> robin. >> ecc does not support pilot.", "startTime": "01:48:54,186", "endTime": "01:48:56,754" }, { "index": 1767, "text": "We don't think waiting three", "startTime": "01:48:58,550", "endTime": "01:49:00,550" }, { "index": 1768, "text": "years to have that pilot is good", "startTime": "01:49:01,626", "endTime": "01:49:03,626" }, { "index": 1769, "text": "use of time. With in that three years will be", "startTime": "01:49:03,828", "endTime": "01:49:05,963" }, { "index": 1770, "text": "thousands of homes that will not be potentially all electric", "startTime": "01:49:07,666", "endTime": "01:49:10,567" }, { "index": 1771, "text": "because of that.", "startTime": "01:49:10,836", "endTime": "01:49:12,836" }, { "index": 1772, "text": "We think it is part of a delay tactic.", "startTime": "01:49:14,906", "endTime": "01:49:16,139" }, { "index": 1773, "text": "We want to implement the policy", "startTime": "01:49:19,277", "endTime": "01:49:21,277" }, { "index": 1774, "text": "one year after passed.", "startTime": "01:49:21,379", "endTime": "01:49:23,379" }, { "index": 1775, "text": "Developers are used to having a new code one year after it is", "startTime": "01:49:24,820", "endTime": "01:49:26,817" }, { "index": 1776, "text": "passed they will have that one", "startTime": "01:49:27,886", "endTime": "01:49:29,886" }, { "index": 1777, "text": "year in order to implement this", "startTime": "01:49:29,988", "endTime": "01:49:31,988" }, { "index": 1778, "text": "new policy.", "startTime": "01:49:34,793", "endTime": "01:49:36,793" }, { "index": 1779, "text": "brennan. >> similar vein to robin.", "startTime": "01:49:36,862", "endTime": "01:49:39,830" }, { "index": 1780, "text": "80% of housing stock in next 20 years we kicked bucket two or", "startTime": "01:49:42,670", "endTime": "01:49:44,869" }, { "index": 1781, "text": "four years that is 20% of the housing stock city has done", "startTime": "01:49:47,439", "endTime": "01:49:49,575" }, { "index": 1782, "text": "nothing to push development towards all electric.", "startTime": "01:49:49,575", "endTime": "01:49:51,676" }, { "index": 1783, "text": "I think the city has relative", "startTime": "01:49:53,679", "endTime": "01:49:55,679" }, { "index": 1784, "text": "lehigh confidence this is the", "startTime": "01:49:56,480", "endTime": "01:49:58,480" }, { "index": 1785, "text": "climate solution we need in our", "startTime": "01:49:59,851", "endTime": "01:50:01,851" }, { "index": 1786, "text": "climate action plan strategy es2a.", "startTime": "01:50:02,588", "endTime": "01:50:04,550" }, { "index": 1787, "text": "Develop policies to limit fossil", "startTime": "01:50:07,793", "endTime": "01:50:09,793" }, { "index": 1788, "text": "fuel use in new construction.", "startTime": "01:50:09,895", "endTime": "01:50:11,895" }, { "index": 1789, "text": "We", "startTime": "01:50:11,930", "endTime": "01:50:13,930" }, { "index": 1790, "text": "you said before you were okay", "startTime": "01:50:18,270", "endTime": "01:50:20,270" }, { "index": 1791, "text": "building sunsets or check ins. What does that look like to you?", "startTime": "01:50:21,273", "endTime": "01:50:24,208" }, { "index": 1792, "text": "What are your ideas? >> staying in step with building", "startTime": "01:50:25,511", "endTime": "01:50:28,247" }, { "index": 1793, "text": "codes. Every three years.%", "startTime": "01:50:28,247", "endTime": "01:50:30,581" }, { "index": 1794, "text": "at end of two years city is done", "startTime": "01:50:32,518", "endTime": "01:50:34,518" }, { "index": 1795, "text": "collecting data the last year so", "startTime": "01:50:34,653", "endTime": "01:50:36,653" }, { "index": 1796, "text": "building codes is 2027. By 2029 city is done collecting", "startTime": "01:50:37,523", "endTime": "01:50:40,157" }, { "index": 1797, "text": "data and can look back.", "startTime": "01:50:42,995", "endTime": "01:50:44,995" }, { "index": 1798, "text": "How many people paid the fee,", "startTime": "01:50:45,965", "endTime": "01:50:47,965" }, { "index": 1799, "text": "did it impact housing production rate?", "startTime": "01:50:48,133", "endTime": "01:50:50,100" }, { "index": 1800, "text": "Look at that and make it into", "startTime": "01:50:52,204", "endTime": "01:50:54,204" }, { "index": 1801, "text": "effect with next building codes update 2030.", "startTime": "01:50:56,509", "endTime": "01:50:58,900" }, { "index": 1802, "text": "I want to ask brandt.", "startTime": "01:51:02,810", "endTime": "01:51:04,810" }, { "index": 1803, "text": "I heard from allen and elisa on timeline. Do you have thoughts on", "startTime": "01:51:08,870", "endTime": "01:51:10,288" }, { "index": 1804, "text": "implementation timeline.", "startTime": "01:51:10,823", "endTime": "01:51:12,823" }, { "index": 1805, "text": "not specific timeline.", "startTime": "01:51:13,759", "endTime": "01:51:15,759" }, { "index": 1806, "text": "thank you.", "startTime": "01:51:17,396", "endTime": "01:51:19,396" }, { "index": 1807, "text": "question for cassie.", "startTime": "01:51:19,665", "endTime": "01:51:21,665" }, { "index": 1808, "text": "The pilot and thousands of homes.", "startTime": "01:51:21,867", "endTime": "01:51:23,301" }, { "index": 1809, "text": "What were the assumptions that", "startTime": "01:51:24,570", "endTime": "01:51:26,570" }, { "index": 1810, "text": "were made about people going to", "startTime": "01:51:28,641", "endTime": "01:51:30,641" }, { "index": 1811, "text": "-- what percentage new homes", "startTime": "01:51:30,843", "endTime": "01:51:32,843" }, { "index": 1812, "text": "built would comply with the fee entirely or would comply with", "startTime": "01:51:33,579", "endTime": "01:51:35,881" }, { "index": 1813, "text": "some of it?", "startTime": "01:51:35,882", "endTime": "01:51:37,882" }, { "index": 1814, "text": "Trying to remember what the", "startTime": "01:51:38,284", "endTime": "01:51:40,284" }, { "index": 1815, "text": "calculation made or assumption?", "startTime": "01:51:41,521", "endTime": "01:51:43,521" }, { "index": 1816, "text": "How many people would pay fee at", "startTime": "01:51:44,590", "endTime": "01:51:46,590" }, { "index": 1817, "text": "20% level and how many would", "startTime": "01:51:46,826", "endTime": "01:51:48,826" }, { "index": 1818, "text": "forget it and go all electric.", "startTime": "01:51:48,861", "endTime": "01:51:50,861" }, { "index": 1819, "text": "I have our consultant on the line right now.", "startTime": "01:51:50,863", "endTime": "01:51:53,165" }, { "index": 1820, "text": "If you are listening daniel I", "startTime": "01:51:56,202", "endTime": "01:51:58,202" }, { "index": 1821, "text": "will ask if you have that data handy.", "startTime": "01:52:02,800", "endTime": "01:52:04,443" }, { "index": 1822, "text": "at 20% we expect 25% of homes", "startTime": "01:52:08,348", "endTime": "01:52:10,348" }, { "index": 1823, "text": "built to go electric. >> thank you.", "startTime": "01:52:16,890", "endTime": "01:52:19,157" }, { "index": 1824, "text": "quick follow up on that.", "startTime": "01:52:21,928", "endTime": "01:52:23,928" }, { "index": 1825, "text": "when you made that calculation and assumption were", "startTime": "01:52:24,397", "endTime": "01:52:26,365" }, { "index": 1826, "text": "you aware of the building code", "startTime": "01:52:27,734", "endTime": "01:52:29,734" }, { "index": 1827, "text": "change that councilor platt just", "startTime": "01:52:32,500", "endTime": "01:52:34,500" }, { "index": 1828, "text": "asked about if you put", "startTime": "01:52:34,207", "endTime": "01:52:36,207" }, { "index": 1829, "text": "air-conditioning in the house it has to be heat pump and not", "startTime": "01:52:36,976", "endTime": "01:52:38,811" }, { "index": 1830, "text": "stand alone air conditioner and", "startTime": "01:52:40,246", "endTime": "01:52:42,246" }, { "index": 1831, "text": "how that influences how many", "startTime": "01:52:42,516", "endTime": "01:52:44,516" }, { "index": 1832, "text": "people decide to go all electric because of the building code?", "startTime": "01:52:45,118", "endTime": "01:52:47,219" }, { "index": 1833, "text": "we are basing this off", "startTime": "01:52:49,222", "endTime": "01:52:51,222" }, { "index": 1834, "text": "willingness to adopt studies on electrification take don't", "startTime": "01:52:53,760", "endTime": "01:52:56,195" }, { "index": 1835, "text": "consider mandatory building code", "startTime": "01:52:57,264", "endTime": "01:52:59,264" }, { "index": 1836, "text": "that would be something else to take into consideration.", "startTime": "01:53:01,535", "endTime": "01:53:04,470" }, { "index": 1837, "text": "final thoughts on implementation?", "startTime": "01:53:04,938", "endTime": "01:53:07,506" }, { "index": 1838, "text": "Allen then garrett.", "startTime": "01:53:08,876", "endTime": "01:53:10,876" }, { "index": 1839, "text": "one thing I like about the multiyear pilot.", "startTime": "01:53:11,745", "endTime": "01:53:13,512" }, { "index": 1840, "text": "In addition to testing to make", "startTime": "01:53:15,150", "endTime": "01:53:17,150" }, { "index": 1841, "text": "sure carbon reductions are", "startTime": "01:53:17,517", "endTime": "01:53:19,517" }, { "index": 1842, "text": "achieved, affordability aspect. Is the resource adequacy.", "startTime": "01:53:20,587", "endTime": "01:53:22,354" }, { "index": 1843, "text": "That is so essential.", "startTime": "01:53:24,424", "endTime": "01:53:26,424" }, { "index": 1844, "text": "Allowing a few winters to pass,", "startTime": "01:53:26,526", "endTime": "01:53:28,526" }, { "index": 1845, "text": "looking at winter peak demand", "startTime": "01:53:28,796", "endTime": "01:53:30,796" }, { "index": 1846, "text": "and impacts to the end user, to", "startTime": "01:53:31,564", "endTime": "01:53:33,564" }, { "index": 1847, "text": "the homeowner, electric home,", "startTime": "01:53:34,167", "endTime": "01:53:36,167" }, { "index": 1848, "text": "gas home, hybrid home and compare if there are peak events", "startTime": "01:53:37,400", "endTime": "01:53:39,872" }, { "index": 1849, "text": "that take place, I think that is crucial especially since as we", "startTime": "01:53:41,642", "endTime": "01:53:43,910" }, { "index": 1850, "text": "said before we are a winter peaking region. >> garrett.", "startTime": "01:53:49,750", "endTime": "01:53:52,552" }, { "index": 1851, "text": "why letting the pilot play out would be helpful.", "startTime": "01:53:54,121", "endTime": "01:53:56,522" }, { "index": 1852, "text": "I talked in builders in washington as well.", "startTime": "01:53:58,725", "endTime": "01:54:01,461" }, { "index": 1853, "text": "There were supply change", "startTime": "01:54:02,863", "endTime": "01:54:04,863" }, { "index": 1854, "text": "challenges with appliance and", "startTime": "01:54:05,199", "endTime": "01:54:07,199" }, { "index": 1855, "text": "equipment providers. Giving runway for the market to", "startTime": "01:54:08,102", "endTime": "01:54:10,870" }, { "index": 1856, "text": "get that as well.", "startTime": "01:54:11,710", "endTime": "01:54:13,710" }, { "index": 1857, "text": "To sarah's point the layered", "startTime": "01:54:14,141", "endTime": "01:54:16,141" }, { "index": 1858, "text": "cost will impact builders.", "startTime": "01:54:17,177", "endTime": "01:54:19,177" }, { "index": 1859, "text": "if this wases to go in we do", "startTime": "01:54:22,449", "endTime": "01:54:24,449" }, { "index": 1860, "text": "a recommended date. Is the recommendation for you", "startTime": "01:54:24,618", "endTime": "01:54:26,519" }, { "index": 1861, "text": "all with the timeline and runway?", "startTime": "01:54:27,988", "endTime": "01:54:29,956" }, { "index": 1862, "text": "as much runway as possible. 2028.", "startTime": "01:54:34,295", "endTime": "01:54:35,762" }, { "index": 1863, "text": "any other thoughts?", "startTime": "01:54:41,502", "endTime": "01:54:43,502" }, { "index": 1864, "text": "cascade would like to request", "startTime": "01:54:43,604", "endTime": "01:54:45,604" }, { "index": 1865, "text": "that MAY be the study reincorporate future assumptions", "startTime": "01:54:46,941", "endTime": "01:54:48,742" }, { "index": 1866, "text": "of the electric supply costs.", "startTime": "01:54:50,344", "endTime": "01:54:52,344" }, { "index": 1867, "text": "We have heard both central", "startTime": "01:54:54,682", "endTime": "01:54:56,682" }, { "index": 1868, "text": "electric cooperative and pacific power have new information.", "startTime": "01:54:56,684", "endTime": "01:54:59,152" }, { "index": 1869, "text": "A lot of discussion on affordability as upfront cost.", "startTime": "01:55:01,188", "endTime": "01:55:03,723" }, { "index": 1870, "text": "How about ongoing cost for residents here.", "startTime": "01:55:04,559", "endTime": "01:55:06,560" }, { "index": 1871, "text": "More dollars spent on utility cost the more it will take away", "startTime": "01:55:07,628", "endTime": "01:55:10,497" }, { "index": 1872, "text": "from dollars available for", "startTime": "01:55:11,666", "endTime": "01:55:13,666" }, { "index": 1873, "text": "economy in the city of bend be. >> the city", "startTime": "01:55:15,970", "endTime": "01:55:18,472" }, { "index": 1874, "text": "city of bend. >> has staff thought about", "startTime": "01:55:19,540", "endTime": "01:55:21,775" }, { "index": 1875, "text": "recommendation of 2028 or mid", "startTime": "01:55:23,144", "endTime": "01:55:25,144" }, { "index": 1876, "text": "2027, would staff be interested", "startTime": "01:55:25,480", "endTime": "01:55:27,480" }, { "index": 1877, "text": "in doing check ins or how often would staff look at data to", "startTime": "01:55:28,716", "endTime": "01:55:31,385" }, { "index": 1878, "text": "update the fee as it goes forward.", "startTime": "01:55:32,453", "endTime": "01:55:34,210" }, { "index": 1879, "text": "any policy like this good", "startTime": "01:55:34,856", "endTime": "01:55:36,856" }, { "index": 1880, "text": "idea to have periodic check ins to scan for any issues.", "startTime": "01:55:42,130", "endTime": "01:55:45,650" }, { "index": 1881, "text": "one, check in I would recommend", "startTime": "01:55:47,769", "endTime": "01:55:49,769" }, { "index": 1882, "text": "is regardless of whether 2027 or", "startTime": "01:55:50,672", "endTime": "01:55:52,672" }, { "index": 1883, "text": "2028 or later is at certain period, one month before or", "startTime": "01:55:56,644", "endTime": "01:55:58,212" }, { "index": 1884, "text": "three months before check in to", "startTime": "01:56:04,519", "endTime": "01:56:06,519" }, { "index": 1885, "text": "recalibrate the fee calculation.", "startTime": "01:56:09,124", "endTime": "01:56:11,124" }, { "index": 1886, "text": "We need that information to make the calculation work.", "startTime": "01:56:11,526", "endTime": "01:56:14,461" }, { "index": 1887, "text": "I would definitely recommend that.", "startTime": "01:56:15,196", "endTime": "01:56:16,412" }, { "index": 1888, "text": "The cycle after that I think I", "startTime": "01:56:18,333", "endTime": "01:56:20,333" }, { "index": 1889, "text": "don't have a specific recommendation right now.", "startTime": "01:56:20,368", "endTime": "01:56:22,970" }, { "index": 1890, "text": "I can think about that for the 22nd.", "startTime": "01:56:23,905", "endTime": "01:56:25,539" }, { "index": 1891, "text": "It is a discussion with council.", "startTime": "01:56:28,510", "endTime": "01:56:30,510" }, { "index": 1892, "text": "Balancing the effort to have", "startTime": "01:56:31,680", "endTime": "01:56:33,680" }, { "index": 1893, "text": "enough time to have meaningful", "startTime": "01:56:34,316", "endTime": "01:56:36,316" }, { "index": 1894, "text": "data where you are not reviewing", "startTime": "01:56:36,818", "endTime": "01:56:38,818" }, { "index": 1895, "text": "too soon so the data does not have variation with being responsive.", "startTime": "01:56:40,656", "endTime": "01:56:43,424" }, { "index": 1896, "text": "Every couple years, I would", "startTime": "01:56:45,260", "endTime": "01:56:47,260" }, { "index": 1897, "text": "think. >> okay.", "startTime": "01:56:47,960", "endTime": "01:56:49,630" }, { "index": 1898, "text": "We have gotten a lot of good information from everyone.", "startTime": "01:56:50,398", "endTime": "01:56:52,700" }, { "index": 1899, "text": "I appreciate everyone here", "startTime": "01:56:54,102", "endTime": "01:56:56,102" }, { "index": 1900, "text": "sharing with us. We have heard different", "startTime": "01:56:56,338", "endTime": "01:56:59,306" }, { "index": 1901, "text": "perspective around urgency and", "startTime": "01:57:00,809", "endTime": "01:57:02,809" }, { "index": 1902, "text": "why delay might be desirable. I appreciate that.", "startTime": "01:57:03,712", "endTime": "01:57:06,113" }, { "index": 1903, "text": "I was going to ask eric taking notes and I have been taking", "startTime": "01:57:07,950", "endTime": "01:57:10,251" }, { "index": 1904, "text": "notes as well.", "startTime": "01:57:10,252", "endTime": "01:57:12,252" }, { "index": 1905, "text": "Does this reflect the top level things we will bring into the", "startTime": "01:57:12,321", "endTime": "01:57:14,956" }, { "index": 1906, "text": "work session and we will close it out.", "startTime": "01:57:19,661", "endTime": "01:57:21,662" }, { "index": 1907, "text": "I don't want to go through", "startTime": "01:57:22,631", "endTime": "01:57:24,631" }, { "index": 1908, "text": "each group said this.", "startTime": "01:57:24,800", "endTime": "01:57:26,800" }, { "index": 1909, "text": "General themes of other ideas. Housing mix.", "startTime": "01:57:33,142", "endTime": "01:57:35,900" }, { "index": 1910, "text": "120 ami expanding on that.", "startTime": "01:57:41,250", "endTime": "01:57:43,250" }, { "index": 1911, "text": "Input from utilities in terms of", "startTime": "01:57:48,457", "endTime": "01:57:50,457" }, { "index": 1912, "text": "calibrates with the metrics. >> we had a mix of support", "startTime": "01:57:51,193", "endTime": "01:57:54,620" }, { "index": 1913, "text": "versus not support for dual fuel heat pumps and renewable natural gas.", "startTime": "01:57:57,232", "endTime": "01:57:59,567" }, { "index": 1914, "text": "That is something to look for", "startTime": "01:58:01,270", "endTime": "01:58:03,270" }, { "index": 1915, "text": "direction on those different", "startTime": "01:58:05,407", "endTime": "01:58:07,407" }, { "index": 1916, "text": "things you have heard.", "startTime": "01:58:08,277", "endTime": "01:58:10,277" }, { "index": 1917, "text": "I heard a lot about pilot", "startTime": "01:58:11,147", "endTime": "01:58:13,147" }, { "index": 1918, "text": "program, wanting to try policy,", "startTime": "01:58:13,449", "endTime": "01:58:15,449" }, { "index": 1919, "text": "get it going sooner.", "startTime": "01:58:16,952", "endTime": "01:58:18,952" }, { "index": 1920, "text": "On the exemptions some sort of", "startTime": "01:58:20,122", "endTime": "01:58:22,122" }, { "index": 1921, "text": "talking about affordable housing", "startTime": "01:58:22,324", "endTime": "01:58:24,324" }, { "index": 1922, "text": "how we are going to exempt that potentially.", "startTime": "01:58:26,128", "endTime": "01:58:27,996" }, { "index": 1923, "text": "Cassie what you said is right.", "startTime": "01:58:28,864", "endTime": "01:58:30,864" }, { "index": 1924, "text": "Missed opinions on dual fuel and", "startTime": "01:58:32,268", "endTime": "01:58:34,268" }, { "index": 1925, "text": "rng and reductions or putting", "startTime": "01:58:34,337", "endTime": "01:58:36,337" }, { "index": 1926, "text": "things into calculation versus exemptions.", "startTime": "01:58:37,974", "endTime": "01:58:39,374" }, { "index": 1927, "text": "Those were all things we captured.", "startTime": "01:58:40,243", "endTime": "01:58:41,876" }, { "index": 1928, "text": "Around solar as well discussion", "startTime": "01:58:42,979", "endTime": "01:58:44,979" }, { "index": 1929, "text": "of that, too. We will bring all of that to", "startTime": "01:58:45,381", "endTime": "01:58:47,583" }, { "index": 1930, "text": "council.", "startTime": "01:58:47,583", "endTime": "01:58:49,583" }, { "index": 1931, "text": "I want to level set that staff is going to bring to council.", "startTime": "01:58:50,186", "endTime": "01:58:52,621" }, { "index": 1932, "text": "Some ideas are more intensive or might take more looking into", "startTime": "01:58:54,557", "endTime": "01:58:57,920" }, { "index": 1933, "text": "than others. Deed restricted affordable", "startTime": "01:58:58,294", "endTime": "01:59:00,195" }, { "index": 1934, "text": "housing is clear and straightforward.", "startTime": "01:59:01,640", "endTime": "01:59:02,931" }, { "index": 1935, "text": "Pilot program, megawatts solar are more involved.", "startTime": "01:59:05,101", "endTime": "01:59:07,200" }, { "index": 1936, "text": "We will ask staff to tell us", "startTime": "01:59:07,670", "endTime": "01:59:09,670" }, { "index": 1937, "text": "which of these could we do on the time line we want now pass", "startTime": "01:59:11,400", "endTime": "01:59:13,676" }, { "index": 1938, "text": "this in JUNE and which might not", "startTime": "01:59:15,511", "endTime": "01:59:17,511" }, { "index": 1939, "text": "be ready or available for fully", "startTime": "01:59:19,150", "endTime": "01:59:21,150" }, { "index": 1940, "text": "flushed ideas. We will discuss with council", "startTime": "01:59:21,217", "endTime": "01:59:23,619" }, { "index": 1941, "text": "what to do with that information and how to proceed.", "startTime": "01:59:23,953", "endTime": "01:59:26,488" }, { "index": 1942, "text": "Really good ideas to bring to", "startTime": "01:59:26,890", "endTime": "01:59:28,890" }, { "index": 1943, "text": "the table for our discussion on", "startTime": "01:59:30,293", "endTime": "01:59:32,293" }, { "index": 1944, "text": "the 22nd. Any other final thoughts from", "startTime": "01:59:32,362", "endTime": "01:59:34,998" }, { "index": 1945, "text": "council?", "startTime": "01:59:34,998", "endTime": "01:59:36,998" }, { "index": 1946, "text": "I took a lot of notes.", "startTime": "01:59:37,834", "endTime": "01:59:39,834" }, { "index": 1947, "text": "Thank you for your perspectives and your guidance.", "startTime": "01:59:40,904", "endTime": "01:59:43,205" }, { "index": 1948, "text": "appreciate everybody being here.", "startTime": "01:59:43,973", "endTime": "01:59:45,808" }, { "index": 1949, "text": "Being respectful and having a good back and forth.", "startTime": "01:59:48,110", "endTime": "01:59:50,450" }, { "index": 1950, "text": "if something comes to you that didn't come to your mind", "startTime": "01:59:50,513", "endTime": "01:59:53,382" }, { "index": 1951, "text": "today at the table send it to", "startTime": "01:59:55,986", "endTime": "01:59:57,986" }, { "index": 1952, "text": "cassie, make sure she gets that", "startTime": "01:59:58,221", "endTime": "02:00:00,221" }, { "index": 1953, "text": "if you had a good thought.", "startTime": "02:00:00,256", "endTime": "02:00:02,256" }, { "index": 1954, "text": "We still want to hear it or you are debriefing over coffee and", "startTime": "02:00:04,327", "endTime": "02:00:07,129" }, { "index": 1955, "text": "they give you an idea, send it", "startTime": "02:00:07,397", "endTime": "02:00:09,397" }, { "index": 1956, "text": "to us so we can think about", "startTime": "02:00:11,334", "endTime": "02:00:13,334" }, { "index": 1957, "text": "that. Perfectly on time.", "startTime": "02:00:13,403", "endTime": "02:00:15,604" }, { "index": 1958, "text": "Good job. Thank you. 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Good to go?\nGreat.\nWelcome everybody here today to\nour really important roundtable discussion. Thank\nthank you all for coming.\nGrad you could make it to the beautiful public works building.\nI want to go around the table to\nsee who we are and our association so we know everyone\nthat is here and get into the\nobjectives for the meeting and\npresentations. >> I never get to be first. City attorney for the city of\nbend.\nIan lighthouser.\nscott jones, human rights and\nequity commission chair.\nfranzosa city councilor.\nmike rhymely bend city councillor.\nDavid burger local 290 and also\nstate building trades knowledge steve platt city council.\nNor guise bend.\nchair of the environment and climate committee.\nmegan perkins bend city council lower.\nMayor of bend. >> CHAIRMAN Of bend economic\ndevelopment board. Allen spector cascade natural\ngas.\nAlisa dunlap specific power. Arielle mendez.\nChair of affordable housing\nadvisory committee. Central oregon builders\nassociation. cassie lacey city manager's\noffice.\nEric king, city manager.\nthanks everyone for being here. How this will work.\nThis is a round table discussion.\nThis is to bring different stakeholders to the table to\nlisten to presentations and get\nyour feedback and ideas.\nFor council this is a listening mode mostly today.\nIf we have clarifying or\ninformational questions jump in. We want to hear from the folks\nat the table.\nWe have an opportunity for utility providers to share\ninformation with us so they have presentations.\nThey will have unput on the two\nquestions we are talking about today.\nThose are input on exemptions to the fee and implementation\ntimeline and approach.\nWe will have the presentations first.\nEach utility provider will give the presentation and hold\nquestions until the end. We will take questions focusing\non information and clarity from utility providers.\nWe will get into the individual\nstakeholders your ideas and thoughts on these topics.\nWe will discuss that after the presentations are done.\nThere are a lot of us.\nIf you want to respond or ask a question or give input please\nstand up your card so I can see you.\nI will make sure we get to everybody.\nI will call on folks if we need to draw that information out.\nNot a time council will deliberate or decide anything today.\nWe are gathering information to feed into a work session on APRIL 22.\nCouncil will have time to deliberate, make decisions about\nthe future of this policy.\nA lot of it is based on information we are given today.\nThat is what we are doing today.\nI will throw it back to cassie for background how we got here\nand then presentations from utilities.\nthank you. Information I will share is\nbackground information.\nEssentially information that I shared in memo last week.\nI will be brief so we can move to discussion. Background.\nCity has been working on broader program to encourage\nelectrification of buildings in\nbend to achieve climate action\ngoals over last year and-a-half. Climate fee today we have been\nfocusing on for the last few\nmonths is part of the\ndisincentive and incentive\ncomponent of rural work plan.\nWe will create incentives using\nto encourage the electrification\nusing proceeds of fee and\nexploring additional monetary incentives.\nThe city is expanding more robust program to share\ninformation about electrifying\nbuildings or upcoming work a\nworkshop series is coming up APRIL 29.\nWe have consequent ones for the next three months.\nIn the last part of the plan\nmonitoring landscape for policy\nlevers for reducing gas use as\nwell in the future. background.\nKey steps so far.\nPolicy development process.\nCouncil direction to pursue fee incentive program in APRIL last year.\nWork sessions with the council\nin AUGUST, OCTOBER and DECEMBER focusing on potential fee,\nanalysis on costs impacts of\nelectrifying homes.\nEngagement options for incentives and fees.\nIn DECEMBER and FEBRUARY we shared calculation and approach\nto fee design. FEBRUARY council gave staff\ndirection to pursue fee as proposed.\nThey set fee level at reduced rate which we will talk about in\na minute.\nAt that meeting they directed\nstaff to convene this roundtable\nto focus on fee exemptions and timeline for file major policy\ndecisions we need council to\ngive direction on to get the fee policy complete.\nI will share a quick overview of\nthe proposed fee structure.\nSocial cost of carbon multiplied\nby net lifetime by gas appliance\ncorrelated to said of house.\nDamages from carbon dioxide.\nIt takes into account the amount\nof carbon gas appliance produces\nover lifetime of apappliance\nminus carbon alternative electric appliance would emit\nthat is the net carbon impact of gas appliance.\nTier is multiplier to acts for lower or higher energy use\ncarbon emissions from smaller or larger houses.\nWe established three tiers.\nLowest is homes 1600 square feet\nor less.\nThat is 65% tier factor.\n1600 or 3,000 is average.\nThat is 100%.\nThis doesn't get adjusted. Greater than thousand square\nfeet they are 150%. One additional adjustment to base line fee.\nWhat council directed in\nFEBRUARY to adjust to 20% of calculated value.\nThis wases to minimize\nadditional cost impact of fee on new construction recognizing we\nwant to continue supporting housing goals and help meet city\nclimate goals as well. This final slide is table of\nwhat would become the fee schedule.\nFee is established per appliance.\nEach piece of equipment has\ndollar value varying over the three tiers based on the tier\nfactor.\nNew home being built these are the amounts that would have to\nbe paid for each of the pieces\nof equipment.\nFor single house add together to get total fee based on what the\npresent in the house.\nFrom this table you can see an average size home all gas\nequipment total fee would be over $2,000.\nAmounts correlated to relative\nenergy use of equipment that is why gas furnaces are majority of\nfee by quite a bit.\nThat is summary of fee overview.\nI will now passover to utility\npresenter to hear from pacific\npower then cec and then cascade\nnatural gas.\nI am alisa dunlap.\nI will wait until she pulls up the slides.\nI spoke with council a couple\nmonths ago.\nmy presentation will be briefer. That doesn't mean the rest of\nyou shouldn't ask me questions.\nFeel free to ask detailed questions as we get into the\nroundtable discussion.\nOverview of pacific power.\nWe serve 600,000 customers across oregon.\nPrimarily rural utility.\nWe have service territory, very small portion of portlands and\nthen here in central oregon as\nwell as out on the coast. Breaking it down to\ninfrastructure that serves city\nof bend.\nWe have seven existing substations.\nIt is where high voltage power\ncomes in to be stopped down to voltages to serve the homes\nabbusinesses.\nThere are seven substations.\nFive are planned or have been upgraded in the last two to\nthree years. Two more are plan understand the\nnext two years to be upgraded.\nWe submitted plans for\nadditional substation in southeast bend within the next five years.\nWhy do I tell about infrastructure?\nHere is what is existing.\nWhat is existing is tapped out.\nWe are actively trying to keep up with growth and vitality of\nthe region much like the city is\nbuilding roads and sewer to expand serve growing needs of the community.\nWe are trying to expand the grid\nto support the growth.\nHere are details on what growth\nlooks like in bend. This growth chart council saw\nbefore, but this represents 3% growth rate expansion\nyear-over-year.\nThe reason the line at the bottom does not start at the\nsame spot is because the\nbaseline of where we sit for eye\nelectrical capacity and load has\ngrown year-over-year and it is getting high here is and higher.\nBend is second highest growth.\nBehind redmond. Bend 3%.\nRedmond 4.3%. Portland is far behind the\ngrowth of central oregon.\nThis is our compliance chart.\nYou have seen this before. Hb2021 I will give overview.\nI am sure my colleagues will speak to this regulation.\nState law passed in 2021.\nIt requires investor owned\nutilities to meet targets. 80% baseline by 2030.\nThis is projection of emissions reductions.\nWe are in active rfp for renewable resources for oregon.\nI have good news to report on that front.\nI thought I wouldn't be able to provide updates until the end of\nthe year.\nWe will have preliminary results available this summer.\nSomething I committed to city staff and council to provide\nupdates because this is sort of key piece of how you are going\nabout making these policy decisions.\nAs soon as I have preliminary results available I will share\nthose with council.\nThis will be the first rfp for\nrenewable resources since the\nchanges to federal production tax credits.\nI would be remiss if I did not say in from structure is needed\nto bring infrastructure to the region.\nTransmission lines and those take years to build.\nWe are kind of working in all of these phases concurrently trying\nto meet the target that are\ncurrently set in oregon law.\nLastly, things to consider.\nInfrastructure as the community continues to grow.\nWhere will additional substations go as we need them\nor other utilities need them?\nI put in here just a land calculation so we need three to\nfive acres for a substation.\nWe are going to need city\nsupport on finding places to put the infrastructure.\nI will say electrical infrastructure is not most\nexciting.\nIt comes with controversy. As we build out to support\ncommunity we need support of the\ncity. Existing load growth trend.\nThis is highest growing region.\nBend is behind redmond as second highest community.\nWe have a large interconnectionqued for new users.\nA lot of projects in the pipeline.\nThat is all going to be strained as we move forward.\nThat pushes the need for additional infrastructure to be\nbuilt and support for that.\nLastly, on compliance. Hb2021.\nThe reason that rfp is so\nimportant to give us market costs what renewable energy is\ngoing to cost.\nWithin hb2021 there is affordability cost off-ramp.\nMeaning if the costs are\ndetermined to be too high for\ncustomers, utilities are able to\npush outcome appliance dates to preserve affordability for\ncustomers.\nThat is something that is unknown at the moment.\nI think I would be remiss if I\ndidn't say there is discussion\nabout the oregon legislature in\n2027 potentially pivoting to\ndifferent emissions reductions models or regulations.\nIf that does change we will certainly continue to engage\nwith city staff on what compliance with whatever the new\nthing is or if we are on the current path we will continue to\nengage with the community.\nWith that I am finished with my presentation.\nthank you. Is there anyone with a question\nat this point about that information she presented?\nI have a question.\nYou talked about affordability off-ramp.\nIt is widely publicized\nrenewable energy solar and wind\nis less expensive than gas, coal, nuclear.\nHow do you judge that? That affordability?\nHow will that be judged?\nWhat will the all tentative be for emission free energy.\nIf you don't hit affordability\nyou buy more expensive power? >> I am unclear on your\nquestion. Right now the current rfp open\nfor renewable resources I am\naware we have solicited bids for wind, solar and battery.\nAll of those would go towards hb2021 compliance.\nI don't know the pricing. That is not public.\nWe are soliciting bids.\nwhen we see the pricing against the market and whatever else is\navailable in our resource\nportfolio, we will make cost affordability calculations at that point.\nAll of these things have to be\napproved by the oregon public utility commission.\nWhen we go into present the rfp results, at that point we can\npoint to market conditions that\nsay, yes, these are affordable.\nHere is the compliance pathway we are currently on.\nWe expect everything to move\nforward as shown in that slide\nor, no, we need to make adjustments what is coming back\nfrom the market.\nWe can't tax customers in a way\nto make power unaffordable. >> demand is also rising.\nYou talked bend is in a growth\nphase and demand is increasing\nhere.\nanyone else with a question?\nI have a question.\nAccording to your slide from\n29-30 you go from 30% to 80%.\nThat is 50% increase in renewables. You have rfp out.\nWhat is currently available in\nthat one year period that is\ngoing to make your portfolio 50% more?\nwe had question about this last time, too.\nI anticipate when this rfp\nresults comes to fruition and we have nor information that compliance chart will look\ndifferent. We will have more renewable\nenergy resources available in\nyears prior to 2029. I don't think it is going to\nstay the way it is right now\nwith significant cliff from 29 to 30.\nThis is our best guess based on what we know of market\nconditions absence the current rfp.\nyou were talking about the growth.\nMaybe I didn't understand. Growth doesn't show what you are\ngoing to have to make up for not\nhaving in gas and utilities\nwhich is more than 30% growth.\nIs that accounted for? >> natural gas will remain a\npart of the electric mix. It is coal that can know longer\nserve oregon customers in 2030.\nwhat I am saying the growth\nand demand you are going to have\nto provide to bend.\nfrom potential move from gas. Bend is very high growth rate.\nI think to do that type of calculation that is very much\ngetting in the weeds.\nI try to keep this high level as possible.\nI am happy to run those numbers.\nI did run a few of the numbers based on the fee presented from\nstaff at the last discussion.\nWe can talk about that if we\nneed to get into the details. >> what was on the slide is\nright now without the policy in place?\nright.\nsomething different if policy\nwas in place? >> yes.\nwe have two other presentations.\nI don't want to spend 40 to 50\nminutes so we can have discussion.\nlisa, how much growth is driven by residential and how\nmuch driven buy outs\nbuy out side residential. >> most of the growth in\nresidential is coming from multifamily housing which is\nalready electrified.\nThose are significant.\nThey are on par with a small manufacturer.\nthank you.\nMike: mike.\nI was going to ask the same question.\nthat worked out well. Garrett.\ndoes the timeline for\nexpansion of infrastructure include land use or how long it\ntakes to build substation.\nI don't think I laid out a timeline.\nthree to five acres is how much land we need for\nsubstation.\nI used to say you could builds a\nsubstation in three years. That is rocket speed.\nIt does take the land use\nprocess along with ordering long lead materials.\nYou could probably still do it in three years.\nMore like four to five years for a substation.\nany other questions?\nthank you for the\npresentation.\nAny strategies that can meet new\ndemand without transmission? Large load flexibility is a huge\nopportunity we have when we have\ncold snaps and heat waves how we\ncan keep the heat on. They don't meet the multiyear\ninfrastructure upgrades. >> we have robust demand\nresponse program that is rolled\nout to commercial and industrial first.\nIt came to bend last summer as residential program.\nWe are heavily encouraging energy efficiency.\nThose are two major ways we can\ncurb the need for transmission infrastructure.\nIt is necessary to get power from renewable energy resources\nnot related here or next to a\nload to serve the load.\nmoving to\nmoving to cc next. Your presentation. Thank\nthank you, lisa. >> brent ten pas.\nCentral electric cooperative. We appreciate the opportunity to\nbe here today.\nI also want to acknowledge cassie and her accessibility and\nreaching out in good conversations with her.\nVery good productive transparent conversations.\nThank you, cassie.\nIf pacific power is a rural utility, central electric is\nvery, very rural cooperative utility.\nI will give you brief background\nwho we are in my day-to-day\nthere are sometimes a lack of\nawareness who cec is and who we\nare in our mission to serve the\ngreater area.\nThe co opin the 1940s through\nthe rural electrification\nadministration in the f dr administration ranchers and\nfarmers borrowed 240,000 and\nstarted to build the system themselves. That has grown over the years.\nWe have a 5300 square file\nservice territory across five counties, tri-counties. 24 substations.\nWe are currently grading to\nconstruct a new substation for\nthe stevens ranch development.\nWe have 24 substations.\n4,000 miles of energized\npowerlines.\nThere is a snapshot of service territory.\nIf you go west you are looking at the ski resort.\nEast to iz, about 40 miles east\nof palina.\nNorth of madras.\nAs far south as brothers and I forget that little town out there.\nWe go pretty far south to hampton.\nThe yellow you see is\nunincorporated or unallocated territory.\nIf you are in the yellow area\nyou have a choice to connect\nwith cec or pacific power.\nEverything that you see there in\npink is pacific power.\nThat is a snapshot as of the end of 2025.\nWe are primarily residential\nirrigation frankly has slowly\nbeen declining over the years\nfor drought, farming, ranching, second and third generations\ndon't want to do it. Change in our make up.\nWe have commercial.\nAlso our largest number is the st. Charles hospital.\nAt the time it was constructed it was so far out it was in the\nservice territory.\nThat is an idea of growth over\nthe decades.\nZero in on the city of bend.\nRed line is the border. Pink is again pacific power.\nYellow would be unallocated. All of that growth on the east\ntsai\non east sideis service territory.\n7500 members in the city of\nbend. We will touch on it later.\nWith growth we will nearly\ndouble the number of members\nwithin the city of bend.\nWe purchase our power through\nbonneville power administration which managed columbia river\npower system.\nWe purchase power through\ngeneration cooperative pngc. Fuel mix is pretty clean\ndepending on the water year 89\nto 93 to 94% emission free.\nWe have 13% nuclear.\nWithin that 13% of nonspecified\nmarket purchases you will see\nsome small wind and solar.\nMost of those market purchases\nare more carbon intensive.\nThis is important to highlight.\nBpa is tier rate to balance low\ncost federal power with regional.\nPublic utilities, municipal utilities or co-ops.\nWe are coming to end of 20 year contract.\nThat tier 1 power for $40\nmegawatt comes off hydro system\nas well as bpa columbia generating in washington.\nIt is stable and predictable.\nTier 2 power is $70 a megawatt.\nAll of the growth we are\nexperiencing falls under tier 2.\nIt is more carbon intensive\nwhich impacts overall resource.\nPower costs 52% of our operating budget.\nBpa power is rising in cost.\nLast year they implemented 19%\nincrease for customers over three years.\nCec had to go out and raise its rates just over 9%.\nWe are starting cost service\nanalysis to look at what to do\nfor this year and the following\nyear to match that.\nOrganic growth which I touched\non we have seen increase 10% membership and we expect that\nagain over the next five years.\nThis is not just bend, but it is\nalso for us northwest redmond\nand sisters which is entirely in\nour service territory. Obviously greatest growth is in\nthe steven road development.\nAlso the multi-unit housing is driving upload as well.\nYou also have library there and just the other residential that\nis growing there.\nWe understand there is nearly\n7500 homes that will pretty much\ndouble our service meters just\nwithin the city of bend over the\nnext few years.\nOne of the things to touch on.\nResource adequacy is an\nincreasing challenge.\nOver last two years multiple\nheadlines about potential blackouts, 9 giga watt shortfall\nin that generation online not keeping pace with that shortfall.\nPut it into perspective.\n9 gigawatts would be like nine 1,000-megawatt power plants.\nState of oregon uses almost 7 gigawatts. Throw in peak load.\nThat is almost 9 gigawatts there\nto put example to that.\nIt's growing and resource\nadequacy is becoming ever\nincreasing issue as well as the\ncost for power is soaring. The data centers receive much of\nthe attention and blame for soaring energy demand.\nThey are playing a role in it. Pacific northwest is\nexperiencing great growth as we\nalso see here in central oregon. Greater electrification of homes\nincluding heating, air-conditioning, water heating,\nadoption of electric vehicles.\nThe other thing contributes is\nretirement of coal and less efficient natural gas that are\nnot replaced. Demand is outgrowing what is\ncoming online.\nThen you have the thorny knot of transmission constraints.\nHow will you import these firm resources into the state of\noregon?\nThe permitting and construction, everything that goes into\nconstruction.\nThose are all issues as my colleague has to work through\njust to have transmission to\nbring in and import that kind of power.\nWe took a serious hit just last month.\nMany of you MAY be following\nwhat is happening with the federal system and lawsuits\ngoing on for over a decade.\nA federal judge injunction\nissued to alter operations of bpa system.\nBottom line is that from APRIL\ninto summer, they are now going\nto buy pass generations.\nLosing several hundred average megawatt.\nThat is going to be lost for\npublic power that is pretty much overnight a 6% increase in costs\nof power on top of what we just\nnow have to deal with with the\nthree year 19% increase in power.\nHow are we meeting future demand?\nFirst and foremost we are going\nto promote efficient electricity\nuse to reduce tier 2 power performs to keep rates low.\nWe have never as co-op engaged in fuel switching.\nWe believed that members know\nwhat is best as far as meeting their energy needs.\nwhat we have done over the decades we have very robust\nenergy efficiency program as\nwell as rebates and inspections to help guide other members\nthrough energy choices to really\nif they choose to electrify and\ngo with high efficiency\nappliances to maintain affordability and responsible\nenergy use.\nYou know, we cannot afford to stand idly by and basically have\nbpa dictate to us what is\nhappening on tier 2.\nThrough our co-op we are looking\nat battery solar in the culver\narea among 25 members who wants\nto opt-in to help reduce tier 2\nreliance on bpa. We have also signed two\ndifferent power purchasing agreements wind and solar to\nhelp diversify our portfolio.\nWe are not seeing a lot of cost\nsavings from tier 2. Marginal difference than tier 2.\nAt the end in wrapping up, as\nnot for profit member owned utility.\nOur mission is to provide\nelectricity to members at lowest cost. Fulfilling that mission is more\ndifficult as we look at growth\nhow the energy industry is evolving.\nWe don't have full appreciation\nfor what the understanding what those potential financial\nimpacts would be for members.\nWe know more load coming on increases tier 2 costs and\nincreases infrastructure costs\nsizing things appropriately.\nWe are looking at the substation stevens ranch with hopefully\nconstruction time of three years.\nIt will cost about $13 million.\nwe are thinking about second substation to help meet the\nenergy needs in southeast bend.\nI will answer questions. >> questions?\nCouncilor mendez.\nthank you.\nYou said over 90% current mix is carbon emission free.\nCould you describe what the future expansion looks like in\nterms of carbon emission profile.\ncec or bpa?\nCec: cec.\nthat growth under tier 2 will\nbe more carbon intensive.\nI can't put a number on it.\nWe are proactive with wind and solar to shave some of that off.\nAs well through energy efficiency.\nWe have a challenge.\nPotentially that solar with the battary storage in culver could\nhelp as well.\nSteve: steve.\nyou talked about challenges\nwith transmission in the area of local and in the area.\nYou have city council and staff here listening.\nHow can we best help?\nwe have two different challenges.\nOur challenge is bpa.\nBpa is the transmission provider\nfor almost all of pacific northwest.\nTo give you example of the transmission constraints we have\nbeen experiencing in the primary\narea lack of transmission surface capacity.\nWe have spent over 10 years\nlobbying bpa to increase size of\nponderosa substation.\nAs well construct bonanza\nsubstation to step down that high voltage power.\nwe have finally gotten to a tipping points.\nThey are moving forward with funding.\nI can tell you that timeline has already been pushed out a couple\nmore years.\nWe have gone from looking at\npotentially having that online\nin 2029 to maybe 2032.\nAs those involved in edco know. We have to turn people and\nindustry away due to those\nconstraints.\nI liken bpa to naval aircraft carrier trying to turn it around.\nThat is the challenge we have\nwhen it comes to transmission.\nthank you.\nFinal question then cascade. >> I think you have similar\nproblems with distribution system.\nHow is the distribution system\nimpacted when people choose to\nput solar on their roof as well as plugging in electric vehicle\nand all of that stuff?\nI have solar on my roof.\nMy bill is minimal.\nHow does that help or harm the distribution?\nWhat is the status of the distribution network.\ntwo answers.\nIt is interesting because\nbelieve\nresidential rates are low.\nWe do not have a lot of solar. 45, $50,000 investment how low\nour rates are it didn't pencil out.\nThose that pay that premium for solar.\nWhen it comes to increasing load, electric vehicles,\ncharging at home, fully electrifying homes.\nWhat we have to do with the new\ndevelopments is resize infrastructure.\nOne of the biggest concerns was if the city was looking at\nputting in natural gas rights in legacy neighborhoods that would\nbe very problematic for cec\nbecause the other imagine from\nstructure was not built to ham that load.\nMembers pay for infrastructure upgrades. Line extension the member has to\npay out of pocket to do that.\nIt just comes down to knowing where and when that load is\nincreasing and making sure we\nhave the right infrastructure in place.\nI can't give you a specific answer to that question.\nI don't know if that helps.\nit does, yes.\nso we will move next to\ncascade natural gas. We do want to make sure we have\ntime for discussion.\nThere are slides from cng in that discussion.\nStarting the background slides\nand pause for questions and get\ninto that.\nI will invite my colleague to\nstart the presentation.\ngood afternoon. Don moore.\nRegion director for cascade natural gas.\nI support operations teams across oregon and washington.\nI grew up central oregon. I live here in bend.\nThis is my first roundtable. I saw a roundtable on the invite\nand all of the city of bend information.\nYet I was surprised when I walked in the room to see the\ntable in this configuration.\nWe appreciate the dialogue we have had with the city of bend.\nWe want to continue discussions\nwith the city what a well designed ordinance MAY look\nlike.\nSpecifically we want to ensure\nguardrails on housing\naffordability and energy\nreliable and path wades to recognize cascade investment in\nenergy efficiency and low carbon\nsolutions like renewable natural\ngas and dual fuel systems.\nIf the proposal today doesn't take that into consideration we\nneed to be realistic on the demand on the constrained system\nand environmental impact of\ngenerating that electricity. If the city policy does not\naccount for that it MAY cause\nmore problems than it solves.\nWe hope to work with rather than against bend.\nWe have a legal obligation to\nserve customers in bend and we\nthink we can make a compelling\ncase for keeping natural gas as\npardon of the bend energy mix. We have been serving central\noregon since 1960s.\nWe have 62000 customers here in central oregon, 11 communities.\nTo the far north madras and far south shamalt.\nWe have 35 local employees 25\nare bargain unit employees. Partners at pacific power and\ncentral oregon electric\nmentioned resource adequacy.\nCascade is not at odds with either of those utilities.\nIn fact, inner dependence\nbetween natural gas and electric\nutilities is only increasing.\nWe have sourced a study.\nPacific northwest utilities\nconference committee regional\nforecast 2025 to 2035.\nIt lays out in stark terms that\nthe pacific northwest energy\nsystem is constrained.\nNow in the pacific northwest winter peak exceeds summer peak.\nWhen it gets really cold you\nneed additional BTUs cascade provides.\nExtreme weather in JANUARY 14,\n2024 affected northwest including bend.\nDuring that 24 hour period\nduring one hour period 607 he --\n70% of the energy gas came from natural gas.\nIt is leaned on to provide capacity.\nThat is there.\nIndustry leaders in the 10 year forecast stressed urgency for\ncoordination and investment in\nboth natural gas and electric\nresources. Regional collaboration is\nessential. I believe you MAY not want\nnatural gas but you need it.\nThere is an interest and\nunderstanding local impact of emissions. Resource it is important to step\nback to understand the relative\namount of emissions resource is\nfrom 2023 oregon department environmental quality.\n35% of all emissions in 2023\ntransportation.\n29% electricity, 15% natural\ngas.\n3.4% of all emissions in 2023 were attributed to gas\ndistributed by cascade.\nThat is a small amount, cascade\nis investing in low carbon solutions.\nLike rmg and dual fuel systems.\nI will ask my colleague cole to\nshare information about those\ninvestments. >> don, quick introduction.\nI am manager of industrial SERVICEs cascade natural gas\nfocusing on renewable natural gas development.\nI have experience working at\ncombination electric and gas utility and electric cooperative.\nThat being said, I want to introduce you to some of the\nefforts cascade is doing. In\naddition to energy efficiency.\nInvestments in participation r&d\nthrough gas technology. Renewable natural gas.\nBiogas is existing resource\nwhether or not used or not is a good question.\nIt is through decomposition of\norganic materials in landfills, waste water treatment,\nagricultural sites and so forth. Really we have avenues to\nrepurpose this biogas.\nRefined upgraded to meet utility\nspecifications and utilized in utility transportation.\nWe make investments in renewable natural gas and we will discuss\nthose shortly.\nCascade renewable natural gas\nefforts are depicted here.\nThree projects renewable natural\ngas and two projects under development.\nOne is locally at the knot landfill.\nCascade will own and operate the natural gas plant to use that\nresource in the community.\nWe are looking forward to the\nopportunity to capture that, refine and utilize for benefit\nof customers.\nCascade efforts in renewable\nnatural gas are landfills and wastewater treatment plant being.\nWe have voluntary renewable gas program you can receive supply\nof\ngas that can help us drive our\nefforts in this emerging\ntechnology space. Additionally in bend we are\nworking on dual fuel heat pump system program.\nThis is trying to understand is\nutilization of dual fuel heat pumps.\nCan this be better system that\ncan benefit both electric and natural gas companies\nalleviating demand constraints\nexisting or future demand constraints.\nWhile also leveraging heating\ncooling for customers more cost-effective both summer and\nwinter. We believe it has great\nopportunity to benefit both constrainted grid and meet\ncustomer needs in local area and\nexpanded service territories.\nI will ask to pause and check\nin with questions so far.\nR and g this is a time to ask\nquestions before the policy.\nyour colleague said 3.4% of\nall emissions.\nAttributed to cascade natural gas.\nDoes that include emissions\nattributed to distribution leaks?\nwhen you say distribution.\nThese emissions are to the\nvolumes we provide new customers customers.\nIn use molecules we report on.\nWhen you talk about transportation can you provide\nmore context?\nI am hearing no.\nWould not account for distribution leaks?\nI can answer that question.\nso we can make sure it is on\nthe recording.\nSystems emissions. >> I didn't hear that.\nit is called system emissions\nand gas distributed.\nother questions. Sarah.\nI am curious about results of dual fuel heat pump.\nWhat data you expect to share and what that would be shared\nwith the community. >> reference there the gas\ntechnology institute is project partner.\nThey are active in utility\nindustry for pilots and research and development opportunities.\nPresentation that was presented\na few weeks ago at a large industry conference.\nPublicly available. Preliminary findings can be\nreferenced now then full findings anticipated to be in\nabout a year.\nLooking to utilize over a full calendar year to understand how\nthey operate for our customers.\nMike: mike.\ncan you talk about the full\ncost to deliver r and g to\ncapital plus deliver recompared\nto cost of natural gas.\nWhat is magnitude. >> renewable gas is more\nexpensive.\nWe are to comply with regulations.\nAt time of evaluations it was\nmost cost-effective to meet obligations.\nScope and scale.\nMy understanding based on previous analysis.\n[Inaudible]\nHigher offsetting needs for gas supply.\nThose equivalent volumes on\nboard injecting are serving needs of environmental\nrequirements and offsetting\nnatural gas volumes we would\ntypically source from fossil fuel.\nSteve: steve.\nI am interested in the\nlandfill capture locally.\nHow it is flared off. Two questions.\nHow many homes could be heated using that?\nWhat is expected timelie to get usable renewable natural gas off\nthat site?\nif you don't mind pivoting back one slide.\nIn state of oregon customers in\nlast evaluation last year 672 terms.\nAnticipated injecting 2.5 million terms.\n3700 homes worth of gas\nassociated with our volumes there.\nAs far as lifespan.\nI will acknowledge the fact the knot landfill is scheduled to close.\nThat is to move forward with this opportunity, this plant\nwill utilize gas continually\ngenerated over the lifetime which we are involved for 20\nyear period.\nThere will be renewable natural gas sourced from that site for\nat least the next 20 years.\n3700 homes off that site?\nthat's correct.\nthanks.\nany other questions?\ngo ahead.\nmy understanding r and g from\na variety of feedstocks.\nDairyman neurojects withdairyman now\ndairy and man new.\nIs cascade uses environmental\nattributes from that gas? >> you are correct in the fact\nthat different r and g sources\nhave different carbon intensity associated with them.\nCompany is not involved with anything with dairy.\nReason is most of those projects\nare sourced in the low carbon\nfuel standard in transportation\nindustry bigger financial driver.\nFederally mandated.\nFor purposes of compliance in\noregon more carbon agonotic.\nNot necessarily focusing on larger investments with dairy\nfacility with large digester to to be installed.\nNot something we are currently involved in.\nNot saying won't be involved in the future depending on the\nstate policies.\nif cascade gets involved in\nthe future those attributes\ndon't help with the cpp\ncompliance is that correct understanding?\nDepending how we are involved with the project we have\ndifferent structures. Carbon compliance could be\nsourced and utilized if we are\ninvolved with that project. Methane, raw gas and environment\ntell attributes associated.\nanyone else with a question?\nWhat I will ask cascade to do.\nNext slides are general feedback. Skip to implementation to make\nsure we get on record your\nfeedback on implementation timeframe and exemptions that\nare two things we are discussing today.\nMove to that slide and whoever\nis presenting on that slide for implementation timeframe.\nI would be glad to speak to that.\nAlyn spector from cascade natural gas.\nI appreciate the opportunity to speak at round table about\npotential ways to avoid\nunintended consequences of a potential fee.\nFirst, we feel strongly especially after hearing\nfeedback of electric utilities\nthat until compliance is\ndemonstrated with hb2021 there\nis no guarantee it is going to\nreduce carbon emissions. To put this in place.\nWe would ask that at the very least pacific power will have results this summer.\nThat is critical information and they are able to meet their\ngoals, the ordinance shouldn't move forward.\nLikewise, we have been working\nwith the city with the dual fuel\npilot we put together that pairs electric heat pump and gas\nfurnace to allow each to do what\nthey do best.\nFull findings integrated in MARCH 2027.\nWe would love to have that pilot complete and provide that data\nto the city to help inform what moves forward.\nIf the ordinance does pass we encourage the city explore this\nas multiyear pilot program. Implementation phased in overtime.\nI think it is very important to pay attention to impacts to\nenergy costs, to demand on grid for resource adequacy.\nImpacts to carbon to make sure\nwe are avoiding unintended consequences.\nBecause some of this analysis that the city had shared in\nprevious discussion showed\npotential for carbon to increase.\nat least until such time as\npacific power was meeting hb\nhb2021.\nLanguage also mandate that it be\ndiscontinued if there are\nresource adequacy issues,\ntargets not met or increases observed.\nWe know the city would be transparent on this.\nWe want to re-enforce revenue allocation should be transparent\nto the public. Modifications to strengthen\nordinance avoid unintended consequences.\nLike we said, it is very\nimportant to consider utility's capacity to meet state carbon\ngoals, look from a full fuel\ncycle electric and gas gas\nperspective as well. Pacific power ability to meet\n2021 or looking electric fuel\nmix as r and g is put into our\nplanning documents and shown to\ncomply with cpp, we ask that be taken into consideration when\nyou are looking at incremental carbon.\nIn terms of utility system.\nIt is critical that before this ordinance is forwarded that\nthere be an analysis of winter\npeak impacts to ensure that\ndisplaced demand can be met by the electric utilities.\nKeeping an eye on potential off raches.\nThe electric utilities experience infrastructure\nconstraints. If the intent of this ordinance\nto reduce carbon, pathways for\nlow efficiency electric\nequipment be eliminated.\nSo in terms of exemptions.\nI'm sure a lot of folks at the\ntable have feedback. We would love to see an\nexemption for affordable housing\nand housing for first time home buyers, understanding that bend\nis struggling with housing affordability issues.\nI think that just as members of the community we want to make\nsure the folks that work in bend\nare able to live in bend as well.\nHave potential delays on the exemption for the fee.\nIf there are impacts to development or if there is\ndelays that result from infrastructure constraints for\nincremental electric demand. Making sure infrastructure can\nbe built out to meet demand displaced by gas.\nIf we are able to comply with\nthe climate protection program,\nthere is a risk of of\nrisk of redone dancy\nin design of ordinance.\nIf we are in good faith\ncomplying with cpp fee remain dormant unless we are not able\nto make compliance. The other piece.\nGas plays a critical role in resource adequacy.\nGas and electric system work\ntogether very effective way.\nWe ask dual fuel and emergency back up health and safety value\nto homeowners to have that dual\nfuel system except in the fee. Reductions.\nBacking off the incremental\ncarbon from amount of r and g in\nsystem through integrated resource plan.\nReally what we are saying is we\ncan't afford to have the fee\nraising energy costs and carbon.\nThat just means making sure that\nthis is done the right way, that\nthe correct analysis goes into\nthe design of the ordinance and\nthat until carbon targets are\nmet, electrification targets are\nmet, this fee lie dormants. It is not decarbonization.\nAs previous city presentations have shown.\nThere is a risk for some path\nways with lower efficiency\nequipment until the targets met\nwith 2021, carbon MAY increase.\nKeep that in mind. We feel like ordinance should be\ndelayed until 2021 can be met.\nWe want to avoid duplicate fees by waiving charge if in compliance with climate\nprotection and delaying\nordinance until hybrid study complete. We are glad to continue to work\nwith the city to help forward\ndecarbonization solutions. We appreciate the time.\nthat is a good transition to\nthe discussion around these two categories, cascade gave input\nto implementation timeline and exception. Cassie has a couple slides.\nI want folks to give perspective\non those two things as well. What are the things on the list\nyou you agree or disagree with? What should the city do in these\ntwo areas.\nCassie will get us starting with exemptions.\ntwo topics we are looking for\ninput on.\nExceptions and implementation.\nExemptions we have three topics or ideas.\nSome came up from our utility presenters and other discussions\nwith the council or community members.\nThe three topics we would like feedback on.\nWhether there should be exemption for deed restricted\naffordable housing, homes with\ndual fuel heat pumps and homes using renewable natural gas.\nI think conversation on\nrenewable natural gas as we thought about this in the last\nweek.\nIt feels it MAY be challenging\nto exempt a single home.\nMore broadly should there becomedation for use of\nrenewable natural gas on individual home basis or\npotentially as cascade proposed\nthat it would be factored into the fee equation.\nThe mix of the fee equation and\nthen it would be adjusted system-wide.\nThose are the three ideas.\nAffordable housing, rng and\nother additional ideas from round table participants.\nfor our participants.\nIf you want to comment on these ideas, present your own ideas\nthis is the point to get that conversation started.\nWe have committee folks,\naffordable housing committee.\nI can guess what you might want to say.\nWhoever wants to start us off.\nWe are gathering information.\nWe are all respectful of every one's position.\nWe want to hear conflicting\npositions how to deliberator on\nthis to be pick. Garrett, kick us off.\ndeed restricted affordable housing look at ami target\nknowing bend's housing crisis is\naround the entire.\nI am throwing that out there for\nconsideration. >> other thoughts?\nNo, we shouldn't have\nhave the exemptions.\nWe want to hear it all.\nMandy: mandy.\nthe affordable housing\ncommittee does want an exemption for deed restricted affordable\nhousing.\nI would agree with garrett that\nmaybe we should extend that just because we do have a problem\nwith our middle housing as\nwell-being more affordable in bend.\ncan you both expand?\nQuantify what you mean by middle\nhousing what that looks like.\nI will throw it up there 120% is our preference.\nOpen to conversation on that.\nthat is online with what we end up with as well.\nother thoughts?\nI know people have them. >> general question.\nAre we talking about what could\nbe done with the fee if there is\na fee imposed to help offset that?\nnot today. Revenue is going to be spent\nthat is a separate conversation.\nIf that helps you think about\nthe exemption feel free free to\nexpand on that.\nenvironment and climate\ncommittee supports exemption deed restricted affordable\nhousing. Most is all electric.\nThis\nthis is a signal from ecc to\nremove barriers to affordable\nhousing as bend needs more.\nI can go down the list for dual fuel equipment.\nEcc does not support exemption.\nWe support fee reduction for mixed fuel heating systems.\nWe think adding heat pump should be acknowledged.\nWe don't want to create loophole\nwhere you don't pay a fee.\nYou can adjust settings so gas kicks in at 50 .\nThat would be a gas system.\nWe want to have the rate be conservative reflecting\ncontinued gas use and\nrecognizing the contribution of electric heat pump.\nIn terms of rng we do not\nsupport exemption or reduction for rng.\nIt is simply injected into the gas apply with other fuels.\nRng is important and useful. It should be prioritized for\nmore hard to electrify sectors\nsuch as heavy industry and transportation and not\nresidential buildings that are\neasier to electrify. >> all right.\nOther thoughts? Sarah.\nI guess I was going to second\nthe comment around ami level\nalso 80 and 120 from chamber\nperspective work force housing band is important to focus on.\nOne other thing we are talking\nabout and this is not pertaining\nto multi-family per se defining\nwhat that looks like because in\nsome instances like quad or\nduplex or quadplex.\nWhat that looks\nlooks like to ensure builders are aware of that.\nwhen we talked about the fee\nnot applying to large\nmulti-family developments. Is there ability to be clear in\nour code what that means and what this would apply to?\nit is something we plan to\nbring to the council on APRIL 22 because that question.\nwe have heard from the council\nwe don't want to apply to multi-family.\nWhere is that cut off? We entered discussions with\nstaff this week to define those. We will talk about it with the council.\nI would rather wait.\nWe are actively discussing it.\nI would like to wait.\nthey are flagging for clarity.\nin the definitions what the\ncode is applicable to where that would be defined and we will\ninclude that in the discussion\non the 22nd. >> scott.\nthanks.\nHuman rights commission would support deed restricted\naffordable housing exemption\nalong with affordable housing advisory committee recognizing\nto be fair and equitable with\nthat middle range up to 120%.\nJust wanted to emphasize that from our perspective.\nThank you.\ngo ahead.\naffordable housing.\nWe think the vast majority of\naffordable housing is already\nall electric or multi-family that is do nothing addition to\nthe policy.\nFrom my perspective the looming equity issue I see around\nexpanding fossil-fuel network\nand this is in the oregon state\nenergy strategy.\nRisks of having gas asset and\nhaving homeowner middle or low income or renter sadeled with\ngetting gas out of the house\nthat is equity crisis on the horizon.\nAnything to reduce fossil fuel expansion.\ntwo-thirdses gas bill today are maintenance and that is not going away.\nIt is important we neat goals\ntoday.\nI want everybody to be cognizant\nthe more we build out the fossil-fuel.\nMore we take to electric fiit is\ngoing to disproportionately hit\npeople least able to deal with that.\nMulti fuel equipment cascade pilot is good example.\nThere are many combinations dual\nfuel house.\nDifferent heat pumps.\nSet points tweaked differently by different renters.\nThe range of outcomes is huge.\nAs city is considering that, be conservative and realistic.\nNot every house is switching\nfrom gas to electric at 35 .\nRealistic carbon benefit is more marginal when we think in\npractice how dual fuel systems are rolled out. Renewable natural gas.\nLast time I was at industry\nconference in nashville we had lunch or dinner with three\nseparate clients. They were all talking about a\ncool project.\nIt was not the same project.\nI would expect gas utilities\nlooking at the small pool of available projects.\nWe shouldn't be hedging bets\nthat cascade will meet all\ncompliance goals through rng alone.\nPublic utility commission has not acknowledge would long-range\nplanning to comply with cpp.\nCity of bend should be cognizant of that.\nallen for your long-range plan.\nWhen do you think that will go\nthrough the process and be\ncomplete for you and your plans?\nI might defer to my colleague\non that.\ncontext when you say commission recognition.\nCan you clarify how you view\nthat?\ncascade was making insufficient supporting\nassumptions about cost.\nThey do not think cost\nassumptions are realistically\nguaranteeing low rates.\nHow does cascade resolve that if\nit is 90% of compliance portfolio?\nthat is a specific question.\nwhat I am looking for is\ntimelines.\nThat is what we are talking about today.\nImplementation timelines. When is pacific power going to\ncomply? Timelines for you all.\nWe know there are specific places and back and forth.\nWhat is the expectation when we get to the point where you have\na plan that is the thing you are\nimplementing?\nabsolutely.\nBest cost options of rng. Timeline I can't speak to that\ntodays. I will be glad to follow up with\nthe city with more detail. What I will say the projects\nthat we are discussing today.\nThere are three that are fully operational right now.\nIt is more than hypothetical.\nIn terms how that is going to be\nutilized for cpp compliance we continue to have those\nconversations with regulators. If it is a priority of\ncommunities that is for\ncompliance that is something we would take back to integrated\nresource planning team.\nWe would start that conversation\nto work with the city to\nincorporate that in a way that\nis satisfactory to the city and regulators. We would be happy to continue\nthose discussions.\nfor councilors to gather information.\nWe are not at the same level\nmany of you are.\nWhen you talk in acronyms, I ask\nthat you take it on a level we can understand.\nI apologize.\nthat is okay.\nWe haven't heard from david or john.\nYou don't have to if there is\nanything to add.\nI will go ahead.\nLocal 290 would support deed restriction for affordable\nhousing.\n120 ami.\nObviously we are in full support\nhomes with dual fuel equipment.\nI have had it in my homes in central oregon since 2002.\nThey work great. They both supply when the\ntemperatures are low and gas can\nmake up that difference. When the heat pumps can't.\nThey work very well in this climate.\nThat is something that needs to be thought of, too.\nDual fuel projects like that are\ndifferent in different climate.\nThis climate supports the good\ndual fuel program.\nMild climates not so much.\nWe have pretty decent winters,\nnot this year.\nRenewable natural gas we support 100%.\nTo think in the future to add to\nthat just because technologies change and things change.\nWhat might be available changes\nis there might be hydrogen mix\nin natural gas to do the same\nthing to reduce carbon of the\ngas.\nJohn: john.\ncan we go back.\nThere was a stat about the\nimpact of carbon from cascade\nnatural gas presented that\nshowed that 15% emissions from\nnatural gas versus 29% from electricity.\nCan you help us understand that?\nIt makes it stand like the\nimpact of electricity has twice\nthe carbon outputna natural gas is that twice supply coming from\nelectricity versus natural gas? How do we understand.\nI will share sources for the study to provide more information.\nSome of it does pertain to\nscaling the delivery of gas\nversus delivery of electricity\nlooking at the fuel mix of the electric system today.\nLooking at the direct use of\nnatural gas versus the use of\nnonrenewable energy for electric generation.\nThere are multiple factors that go into that.\nI would be very happy to make\nsure -- there is a link to the\nsource on the slides now up on the city website.\nin the deq study from oregon.\nGood question. >> I guess that's still trying\nto process what you are saying. However, I guess in terms what\nis asked in exemptions here.\nConversations at bdad support exemptions around deed\nrestricted affordable housing we\nbelieve the housing crisis is\nreal and we want to support ways\nto offset that impact to homeowners.\nWe support continuing to do\nprojects dual fuel proof of concept.\nThere needs to be more data to\nsupport the fee structure and outcomes that that ultimately\ngets passed to the home owners.\nThose are the discussions we\nhave. >> garrett.\nthere is a lot of action at\nthe state to reduce fears to\nbuilding certain housing types,\ncondos in the triplex, fourplex and beyond.\nMaybe consideration for exemptions to hold off on those\nhousing types to begin with to let progress play out to see if\nwe can bring to market rather\nthan adding hurdle to development.\nsomething to separate by housing types.\nOther thoughts on exemptions.\nIf you think of one later we\nwill come back to you. Sarah.\na couple comments about the\nstranded asset for exemptions of ami's of housing.\nAll homes will be dual fuel. Infrastructure will be laid for\ngas and electricity because of\nthe nature of the choice issue.\nI think that eliminates concept of stranded asset.\nThink about this broadly when we\nthink about what that ami exemption would look like. >> thank you.\nI think to make sure we are grounding for anyone watching.\nWe are talking about one time\nfee at beginning of new\nconstruction.\nThese exemptions at time of new construction.\nFinal thoughts on exemptions\nbefore implementation timeline. Robin.\nI wanted to add that ecc only\nsupports one exemption deed\nrestricted affordable housing. We want to limit exemption.\nEvery exemption reduces\nemissions that this has.\nEvery exemption adds\nadministrative burden to the\npolicy, additional tracking, calculations, enforcement.\nWe have had 20% of the snowpack in deschutes.\nWe need more climate action now.\nThose exemptions limit impact of the policy.\nWe advocate for less exemptions.\nthank you for that.\none consideration not voiced\nis winter heating via electric\nis more demand than summer. If there are developments that\ncannot meet that incremental\ndevelopment that regards large\nupgrades by electric utilities\nthey would penalize and delay\nwhile that infrastructure is\nbuilt out gas resource adequacy\nto mead that and get that up and running sooner. >> final thought?\nI had other ideas.\nany home that has natural gas\nthat is going to include solar. Put an exemption on home that\nhas that.\nAnother one could be any home\nthat for the future behind every appliance has both gas and electric.\nWhat they choose now can be\nwhatever service they want. It could be changed at any point.\nNot extra cost down the road.\nit is already available and\nbuilt into the home. >> thoughts on those ideas?\none thing on solar. Ecc we touched on that in our\nlast meeting.\nIf we want to add solar to the\nconversation we don't want exemption but reduced fee in calculation.\nThat would be based on the size\nof the system and size of the house.\nAs we know with the grid being\ndirty, these local renewable\nemissions could really support\nto make that grid cleaner.\nWe don't want it as exemption. You could have one panel on your\nhome and that would eliminate the fee.\nWe want to acknowledge addition of solar because we think it is\nan important part of this\nconversation, a reduction. >> brennan.\nreiterate robin's point as\nwell and when we consider\nexemptions look in totality.\nWhat can realistically be administered by a team of two in\nthe city. Back to sarah's point.\nI want to push back on the idea\nstranded assets are a stranded issue.\nAffordable single family housing\nbuilt all electric in bend and\nsisters and many others. Good proof of concept gas is\nonly utility you don't need to live in a house.\nthank you. Final thoughts on exemptions\nbefore implementation?\nto echo sarah's point.\nIn talking to builders how fee is per equipment.\nAll infrastructure is brought\nout to new construction gas and\nelectric to convert in the\nfuture so we don't run into risk\nof stranded asset. >> allen.\nTo the point of limited staff to administer this.\nThat is why and talking about\nthe fuel mix today not being decarbonized on electric tsai.\nThat is why it is important to\nhave this fee lie dormant until\nthe carbon intentionally of\nelectricity and gas when that switches.\nThen the fee can take effect. >> next topic.\nWhen should this be in effect. Timeline, considerations there\nwhich you have given us in your\npresentation which I took notes\non. >> implementation timeline\nlooking for feedback on\neffective date of fee. Starting point date we would\nlike to put out would go into effect JANUARY 1, 2028.\nSome of the things that we\nthought of when we were thinking about appropriate timeline.\nPacific power's compliance for\nhouse bill 2021.\nPart was based on understanding\nthat pacific power has rfp open\nthis year that might take to\nends of year for costs to give information about compliance\ntimelines.\nWe might get information sooner. That is interesting\nconsideration.\nAnother one is ideas implementation of OCTOBER 2026\nthat becomes mandatory APRIL of 2027 legislative session next year.\nWe did hear from pacific power\ntoday there is potential rumors\nof changes to greenhouse gas\nbill 2021 which would have significant impact on how fee is\ncalculated. Anything in the legislative\nsession we need time to accommodate.\nthis is the starting place.\nHappy to hear about the timeline or other considerations.\nThinking about the the things and\nwhen the fee should be in effect.\nOur next topic.\nI want to acknowledge 5:30 P.M.\nIf not done at 6:00 we will keep going.\nIf you can stay, that is great. If you have to leave at 6:00\ntell me so I can call on you.\nWho wants to kickoff on implementation ideas or\nthoughts. >> pacific power does not have timeline.\nWe will keep staff and council\nappraised of changes in the regulatory compliance and go\nover anything in the legislative session to impact gas emissions\nfor us.\nthank you for that.\nI think my thought would be\nthat if I believe council's\nintent is to reduce carbon,\nright, in the city?\nUntil pacific power gets to where they reduce emissions.\nThey say they can meet that goal around 2029 or 30.\nI ask it be pushed out until\n2029 or 30 medical\n30 or until they prove they met that goal.\nwe are wants to participate in the pilot program.\nI would love to have that play\nout, study data prior to fee being imposed.\nHappy to get into more depth what we envision from pilot.\nwe haven't had chance to do that in two minutes to council.\nOpen to questions. >> policymaking is not perfect.\nWe are never going to make decisions in a vacuum.\nIf it is ongoing pilot or pilot\nthat might happen in the future,\nhb2021 or climate protection or\nbuilding code update or speculation on legislative\nsession or new federal administration.\nSomething dynamic that is nature of the things.\nAt some point we have to stop\ncollecting data and do something\nbecause we are in a vacuuming of leadership.\nWe are backsliding since the\nfirst inventory.\nBend admissions have gone up 20%.\nWe are headed for bad wildfire season.\nWe have to just try something at some point.\nThis is already a very modest option.\nOriginally the restriction was\non the table.\nIt is scaled back the level of\naction because of concerns from\naffordable housing and economic development.\nWe need to remember climate\naction is being go stewards of\nenvironment be with healthy air.\nThat makes bend economically viable. We need to try something and\ncheck in on policy. That is good development.\nWe think the city should do that\nto make sure it is not having unintended consequences.\nSome are wrong and useful.\nWe need to try to collect real data and tweak things down the\nroad. april 2027. >> what day.\nin line with the building\ncodes update for developers to\nhave single compliance calendar.\necc recommends start day JULY 1, 2027.\nWe do not think we should wait\nuntil JANUARY 1, 2028 primarily due to speculation of legislative session.\nIf anything comes up in that\nlegislative session we could\ndelay and amend as needed. We need climate action now.\nI want to note based on, david, your point.\nThese appliances can last up to 20 years.\nIf we install electric now or gas now, those will last for 20\nyears.\nIn that 20 year lifespan we are assuming pacific power could\nchange drastically.\nWe want to build smart from the\nstart knowing these systems last\nquite awhile.\nSarah: sarah.\nwe would land with garrett\nand the conversations around the pilot.\nWhen I look at forming opinion on implementation of this.\nI think about north star housing\naffordabilities. 53% of the people working in\nbend don't live in bend.\nThat is something we need to do something about.\nYesterday we were at park side place. We are making progress.\nWe can't hold gas on that kind of progress.\nThat is my lens I am coming from trying to balance with the\nconcerns that we are talking about with climate. -\nI think it is important that we\nhave a lot of different policymaking at the city\nsometimes happens in silos.\nWe have the home hardening building 327 expedited that\nmakes sense to expedite from\nwildlife, wildfire prevention, tree code conversation, natural\ngas fee code conversation.\nAll of these things are tiny chunks of affordabilities.\nTime and space to sequence some\nof those decisions in a manner that makes sense and affects\naffordability and what we do for the community is something I\nsupport and members support.\nI guess I will leave it at that. I would love to hear more about\nthe pilot at garrett.\ndid you have a question?\ncassie, I want to set for the room.\nBuilding code update coming in right here.\nCan you tell us to explain the effect of that building code in\nterms of installation of new\nequipment into homes in the hvac world.\nif a building codes person wants to jump in.\nI will take a stab at it.\nImproves energy efficiency with\nnew construction by 30%.\nI think that is maybe all I can\nsay confidently. Anything to add from the building people?\nwhat I am trying to get at.\nIn most cases a c unit installed\nin a home will require a heat pump.\nthank you for reminding me about that part.\nAnother part of the code\nair-conditioning installed it has to be heat pump to ensure\nany home with air-conditioning\nwhich is many of them have a heat pump.\nGas furnace sets up for duel fuel options that will have an\nimpact as well. >> I am asking that question\nbecause I do acknowledge\naffordability and agree with sarah it is my north star as\nwell.\nThat is a way to really avoid a\nlarge portion of al lakarstify.\nThat is $1,500 bucks in cost.\nThree quarters of fee goes away\nwhen this drops into our laps here in APRIL next year.\nI think that helps with affordability.\nuntil we make decision on the\ndual fuel systems.\nIf someone puts in gas furnace cost would be there.\nIt could be automatically\ndriving more electric systems if people put it in for sure.\nthank you.\nI will go to you and then to garrett.\na couple members of committee\nthat were concerned about the layering on of fees.\nIf we go route of exemption for\nup to 1:20 A.M. I, there is less\nconcern because it was the hardening.\nWe want to reduce barriers for affordable middle.\ngarrett pilot program could\nyou explain we are in the world of timeline.\nWhat do you mean?\nthe time limited aspect study\nat least a year to collect the\nenergy use data to understand the grid impacts. Construction data collection.\nThis is what I vision how this\ncomes to life. Three members of production builders now.\nWe hope to do this at scale.\nWilling in upcoming projecs to\nidentify select homes to have a side by sides comparison\nbuilding all electric next to\nall gas. The reason that selecting homes\nin same project matters.\nAll projects are different.\nSame land two different products\nbest way to collect data. Alongside high efficient\nelectric equipment was mentioned.\nWe have high performance builders.\nOne has offered to be a consultant.\nWe want to look at climate goals.\nHere is time line.\nOur members talked like quickest two years to get homes\nidentified, built, sold and study.\nTwo to three is roughly what we are thinking with city support\nand permitting process.\nWe could get closer to two.\nAlso, a piece I missed with home selection we need diverse\nselection of homes.\nTownhome, single story detached,\ntwo-story detached how it contributes to emissions and\nwhat affordability looks like in direct costs.\nwhat you are saying policy\nwould not apply city-wide two to\nthree years only in certain ways\nas we study data before going\ncity-wide? >> yes.\nI tried to make as brief as possible. >> I understood it.\nMandy. >> brief question.\nWhy would you not look retroactively at information\nthere are houses and buildings and data.\nwhy would you need to builds\nhomes, wait timeframes versus\nidentifying the homes.\none of the challenges with\ndevelopment costs it is sourced regionally not specifically to\nbend. We have unique codes.\nTo do here to collect local data\nwould be most impact\nimpact full. Second part of question.\nwhy won't you identify locally?\nthat is comparing variables.\nAll electric home built here and here.\nThere are different costs\nassociated with that because of difference in pieces of land.\nSide by sides with gas and and\nelectric home we control the variables.\nany other questions on that\nor ideas?\nCouncilor mendez. >> we heard concern about\ndelaying until we have more sent\non the pathway to complying with hb2021.\nWe talk about importance of\ncomparing high efficiency to low\nefficiency electrification.\nCouncil had a preference for\nhigh efficiency electric appliances.\nTo what extent does 2021\ncompliance the efficiency of the\nelectrical appliances\nimplemented?\neven with -- with low\nefficiency equipment, pacific\npower not in compliance with\n2021 is a very big problem.\nHigh emission electricity and quantity consumed is high\nbecause of low efficiency. Efficient equipment the concern\ngoes down because it should be less energy used in total since\nthat is used efficiency. Electricity used is dirty.\nThe concern is still there.\nOur analysis shows that using\ntoday's mix even when pacific power homes some of the\nequipment including high efficiency equipment over the\nlife cycle of the equipment\nwould still have like a higher\ncarbon impact using high\nefficiency heat pump at today's\ngrid mix compared to gas. Grid mix still matters with high\nefficiency.\nIt matters a lot with low efficiency.\nFrom a cost perspective and grid perspective.\nanything to add to that?\nshe did great job.\nother ideas or information\nthat folks want us to know?\nI would like to support the pilot programs.\nNot only with all electric and\nall gas, but adding possibly a\nthird which is a hybrid home whatever that MAY be, not just\none or the other. Different ways of doing that.\nWhen you touched on the efficiencies, when you talk\nabout all electric home, most affordable housing currently\nthat I see being produced out\nthere is using the most horrible electric appliances.\nThat is something we need to\nlook at. >> great.\nOther thoughts on this part of\nthe discussion? >> question about the pilot idea.\nIn addition to why not look retroactively?\nIf you have gone to the\nneighbor's house and felt it is too cold or too hot compared to your house.\nYou know the baseline of what\nyou set the thermostat to makes\na difference if home are same\nand right next to each other.\nPuzzled why it would be so important two houses next to\neach other.\nHow do we control for thermostat size?\nwe hope to have enough scale\nto take average to calculate for energy use.\nThat is a big piece of that if\nwe want to study grid and\nutility rates we track usage\ndata which we need help from utility friends at the end of\nthe room to do. At big enough scale we could\naverage that out.\nOne more piece. That came up in our conversations with members.\nIf the fees associated with individual piece of equipment.\nIf council or city wanted to see\nthat hybrid approach we are happy to do that.\nIf someone wanted to pay for gas fireplace upgrade we could do\nhome or two for that.\nWe are flexible and appreciate\nfeedback from the city.\nRobin: robin.\necc does not support pilot.\nWe don't think waiting three\nyears to have that pilot is good\nuse of time. With in that three years will be\nthousands of homes that will not be potentially all electric\nbecause of that.\nWe think it is part of a delay tactic.\nWe want to implement the policy\none year after passed.\nDevelopers are used to having a new code one year after it is\npassed they will have that one\nyear in order to implement this\nnew policy.\nBrennan: brennan.\nsimilar vein to robin.\n80% of housing stock in next 20 years we kicked bucket two or\nfour years that is 20% of the housing stock city has done\nnothing to push development towards all electric.\nI think the city has relative\nlehigh confidence this is the\nclimate solution we need in our\nclimate action plan strategy es2a.\nDevelop policies to limit fossil\nfuel use in new construction.\nWe\nyou said before you were okay\nbuilding sunsets or check ins. What does that look like to you?\nWhat are your ideas? >> staying in step with building\ncodes. Every three years.%\nat end of two years city is done\ncollecting data the last year so\nbuilding codes is 2027. By 2029 city is done collecting\ndata and can look back.\nHow many people paid the fee,\ndid it impact housing production rate?\nLook at that and make it into\neffect with next building codes update 2030.\nI want to ask brandt.\nI heard from allen and elisa on timeline. Do you have thoughts on\nimplementation timeline.\nnot specific timeline.\nthank you.\nquestion for cassie.\nThe pilot and thousands of homes.\nWhat were the assumptions that\nwere made about people going to\n-- what percentage new homes\nbuilt would comply with the fee entirely or would comply with\nsome of it?\nTrying to remember what the\ncalculation made or assumption?\nHow many people would pay fee at\n20% level and how many would\nforget it and go all electric.\nI have our consultant on the line right now.\nIf you are listening daniel I\nwill ask if you have that data handy.\nat 20% we expect 25% of homes\nbuilt to go electric. >> thank you.\nquick follow up on that.\nwhen you made that calculation and assumption were\nyou aware of the building code\nchange that councilor platt just\nasked about if you put\nair-conditioning in the house it has to be heat pump and not\nstand alone air conditioner and\nhow that influences how many\npeople decide to go all electric because of the building code?\nwe are basing this off\nwillingness to adopt studies on electrification take don't\nconsider mandatory building code\nthat would be something else to take into consideration.\nfinal thoughts on implementation?\nAllen then garrett.\none thing I like about the multiyear pilot.\nIn addition to testing to make\nsure carbon reductions are\nachieved, affordability aspect. Is the resource adequacy.\nThat is so essential.\nAllowing a few winters to pass,\nlooking at winter peak demand\nand impacts to the end user, to\nthe homeowner, electric home,\ngas home, hybrid home and compare if there are peak events\nthat take place, I think that is crucial especially since as we\nsaid before we are a winter peaking region. >> garrett.\nwhy letting the pilot play out would be helpful.\nI talked in builders in washington as well.\nThere were supply change\nchallenges with appliance and\nequipment providers. Giving runway for the market to\nget that as well.\nTo sarah's point the layered\ncost will impact builders.\nif this wases to go in we do\na recommended date. Is the recommendation for you\nall with the timeline and runway?\nas much runway as possible. 2028.\nany other thoughts?\ncascade would like to request\nthat MAY be the study reincorporate future assumptions\nof the electric supply costs.\nWe have heard both central\nelectric cooperative and pacific power have new information.\nA lot of discussion on affordability as upfront cost.\nHow about ongoing cost for residents here.\nMore dollars spent on utility cost the more it will take away\nfrom dollars available for\neconomy in the city of bend be. >> the city\ncity of bend. >> has staff thought about\nrecommendation of 2028 or mid\n2027, would staff be interested\nin doing check ins or how often would staff look at data to\nupdate the fee as it goes forward.\nany policy like this good\nidea to have periodic check ins to scan for any issues.\none, check in I would recommend\nis regardless of whether 2027 or\n2028 or later is at certain period, one month before or\nthree months before check in to\nrecalibrate the fee calculation.\nWe need that information to make the calculation work.\nI would definitely recommend that.\nThe cycle after that I think I\ndon't have a specific recommendation right now.\nI can think about that for the 22nd.\nIt is a discussion with council.\nBalancing the effort to have\nenough time to have meaningful\ndata where you are not reviewing\ntoo soon so the data does not have variation with being responsive.\nEvery couple years, I would\nthink. >> okay.\nWe have gotten a lot of good information from everyone.\nI appreciate everyone here\nsharing with us. We have heard different\nperspective around urgency and\nwhy delay might be desirable. I appreciate that.\nI was going to ask eric taking notes and I have been taking\nnotes as well.\nDoes this reflect the top level things we will bring into the\nwork session and we will close it out.\nI don't want to go through\neach group said this.\nGeneral themes of other ideas. Housing mix.\n120 ami expanding on that.\nInput from utilities in terms of\ncalibrates with the metrics. >> we had a mix of support\nversus not support for dual fuel heat pumps and renewable natural gas.\nThat is something to look for\ndirection on those different\nthings you have heard.\nI heard a lot about pilot\nprogram, wanting to try policy,\nget it going sooner.\nOn the exemptions some sort of\ntalking about affordable housing\nhow we are going to exempt that potentially.\nCassie what you said is right.\nMissed opinions on dual fuel and\nrng and reductions or putting\nthings into calculation versus exemptions.\nThose were all things we captured.\nAround solar as well discussion\nof that, too. We will bring all of that to\ncouncil.\nI want to level set that staff is going to bring to council.\nSome ideas are more intensive or might take more looking into\nthan others. Deed restricted affordable\nhousing is clear and straightforward.\nPilot program, megawatts solar are more involved.\nWe will ask staff to tell us\nwhich of these could we do on the time line we want now pass\nthis in JUNE and which might not\nbe ready or available for fully\nflushed ideas. We will discuss with council\nwhat to do with that information and how to proceed.\nReally good ideas to bring to\nthe table for our discussion on\nthe 22nd. Any other final thoughts from\ncouncil?\nI took a lot of notes.\nThank you for your perspectives and your guidance.\nappreciate everybody being here.\nBeing respectful and having a good back and forth.\nif something comes to you that didn't come to your mind\ntoday at the table send it to\ncassie, make sure she gets that\nif you had a good thought.\nWe still want to hear it or you are debriefing over coffee and\nthey give you an idea, send it\nto us so we can think about\nthat. Perfectly on time.\nGood job. Thank you. 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The council did not deliberate or decide anything — the session was explicitly framed as information-gathering. All three regional utilities presented infrastructure and compliance context, followed by open discussion among builders, labor, equity, affordable housing, environment, and economic development representatives.", "keyPoints": [ "The proposed fee applies only at time of new construction. It is calculated as: social cost of carbon × net lifetime carbon of a gas appliance × a size-tier multiplier (65% for homes ≤1,600 sq ft, 100% for 1,600–3,000 sq ft, 150% for >3,000 sq ft), then reduced to 20% of that calculated value per February council direction. For an average-size all-gas home, the total fee would exceed $2,000, with gas furnaces comprising the largest share.", "Pacific Power (Alisa Dunlap) reported Bend is its second-fastest-growing service area (3% annually, behind Redmond at 4.3%). Seven substations serve the city; five have been recently upgraded, two more planned, and a southeast Bend substation is in the pipeline for the next five years — each requiring 3–5 acres and roughly 4–5 years to build. A renewable energy RFP is underway; preliminary results expected this summer. HB 2021 targets 80% clean generation by 2030 but includes an affordability off-ramp. The 2027 Oregon legislative session may revisit or replace HB 2021.", "Central Electric Cooperative (Brent Ten Pas) serves ~7,500 members in Bend and expects to nearly double that with east-side growth, including the Stevens Ranch development. CEC buys 89–94% carbon-free power through Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) but growth falls under more expensive, more carbon-intensive Tier 2 power ($70/MWh vs. $40/MWh Tier 1). BPA's rates rose 19% over three years; CEC passed through ~9%. A federal judge's April injunction affecting BPA operations will add roughly 6% more to power costs. A new $13M substation for Stevens Ranch is planned with a ~3-year construction timeline.", "Cascade Natural Gas (Don Moore, Cole [last name not given], Alyn Spector) argued that natural gas provides essential winter-peak capacity — citing that on January 14, 2024, gas supplied 70% of regional energy during one critical hour. Cascade stated its distributed gas accounts for 3.4% of Oregon's 2023 emissions (per DEQ), compared to 29% attributed to electricity generation. A participant challenged whether that 3.4% figure includes system/distribution leaks; a Cascade representative said it covers system emissions and gas distributed. Cascade is developing three operational renewable natural gas (RNG) projects and two under development, including capture at the Knott Landfill (Bend), projected to serve ~3,700 homes for at least 20 years. A dual-fuel heat pump pilot with the Gas Technology Institute is underway; full findings expected March 2027.", "Exemptions discussed: (a) Deed-restricted affordable housing — broad support across Human Rights Commission (Scott Jones), Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (Mandy/Arielle Mendez), Environment and Climate Committee (ECC/Robin), Labor Local 290 (David Burger), EDCO (John), and the Chamber (Sarah). Most participants favored extending to homes up to 120% AMI, not just deed-restricted units. (b) Dual-fuel heat pump systems — ECC supports a fee reduction (not full exemption), calibrated to reflect continued gas use; Local 290 supports full exemption; others cautioned about variability in real-world set points. (c) RNG — ECC and a utility consultant (Brennan) oppose exemption or reduction, arguing RNG is scarce and better directed to hard-to-electrify sectors; Cascade advocates for factoring RNG into the system-wide fee calculation. (d) Solar — ECC supports a fee reduction (not exemption) proportional to system size, not a blanket exemption. (e) Multi-family definition — staff is actively working on where the cutoff lies; will be presented April 22.", "Implementation timeline proposals ranged widely: Cascade requested the fee lie dormant until HB 2021 compliance is demonstrated (implying 2029–2030 at earliest) and until the dual-fuel pilot is complete (2027). ECC recommended July 1, 2027. City staff's current placeholder is January 1, 2028. Central Oregon Builders Association (Garrett) proposed a 2–3 year side-by-side pilot of all-electric vs. all-gas homes before citywide implementation, with city support on permitting. ECC (Robin) and Brennan opposed any pilot delay, estimating thousands of homes would be built without the fee in the interim. Staff noted a forthcoming building code change (likely April 2027) will require any home with air conditioning to install a heat pump, which could significantly shift the cost calculus.", "Staff consultant (Daniel, on phone) noted that at the 20% fee level, the model assumes roughly 25% of new homes would go all-electric. That projection was acknowledged to not yet incorporate the upcoming mandatory heat-pump/AC building code change.", "Cassie Lacey (City Manager's Office) summarized that the April 22 work session will cover: the full set of exemption options (with staff flagging which are straightforward vs. require more analysis), the implementation date, multi-family definitions, and periodic check-in / fee recalibration mechanisms. Mayor Sarah (last name unclear from transcript) asked participants to send any additional thoughts to Cassie before the 22nd." ], "decisions": [ "No decisions were made at this meeting. Council was in listening mode only.", "Staff will bring the full range of exemption and timeline options to the April 22 council work session, with analysis of which options are administratively feasible on the desired timeline.", "Staff will also bring a recommendation on the multi-family housing definition cutoff on April 22.", "Staff will consider recommending a fee recalibration check-in roughly one month or three months before the effective date, and periodic reviews (roughly every two years) thereafter." ], "followUps": [ "April 22, 2026 — Council work session: deliberation and decisions on exemptions, implementation timeline, and multi-family definitions.", "April 29, 2026 — First in a series of public workshops on building electrification (monthly through at least July).", "Summer 2026 — Pacific Power expects preliminary RFP results for renewable energy resources; Alisa Dunlap committed to sharing those with council as soon as available.", "March 2027 — Full findings expected from Cascade/Gas Technology Institute dual-fuel heat pump pilot.", "April 2027 (approx.) — Oregon building code update takes effect, requiring heat pumps in any home installing air conditioning.", "2027 Oregon Legislative Session — Possible revision or replacement of HB 2021 greenhouse gas targets; staff flagged this as a timeline consideration.", "Cascade's Alyn Spector committed to following up with city staff on RNG compliance timeline details he could not provide at the meeting.", "Participants were invited to send additional written input to Cassie Lacey before the April 22 session." ], "notablePeople": [ "Cassie Lacey — City Manager's Office; presented background and fee structure, facilitated discussion", "Sarah (Mayor of Bend; last name not clearly captured in transcript) — facilitated meeting", "Alisa Dunlap — Pacific Power, presented grid capacity and HB 2021 compliance outlook", "Brent Ten Pas — Central Electric Cooperative, presented CEC infrastructure and cost challenges", "Don Moore — Cascade Natural Gas, regional director, presented company position", "Cole (last name not given) — Cascade Natural Gas, manager of industrial services, presented RNG projects", "Alyn Spector — Cascade Natural Gas, presented exemption and timeline positions", "Arielle Mendez — Bend City Council; also noted as chair of Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (transcript may conflate two people — Mandy was also named in connection with affordable housing committee)", "Robin — ECC (Environment and Climate Committee) chair; advocated for minimal exemptions and earlier implementation", "Brennan — Affiliation unclear from transcript; supported earlier implementation, opposed pilot delay", "Garrett — Central Oregon Builders Association; proposed 2–3 year side-by-side pilot program", "Sarah — Bend Chamber of Commerce (noted separately from Mayor Sarah; transcript uses first names only, creating potential confusion)", "Scott Jones — Human Rights and Equity Commission chair", "David Burger — IBEW Local 290 and Oregon State Building Trades; supported dual-fuel exemption and affordable housing exemption", "John — EDCO (Bend Economic Development Board) chair; supported affordable housing exemption and dual-fuel proof-of-concept", "Steve Platt — Bend City Council; asked about transmission support and building code interaction", "Mike Rhymely — Bend City Council", "Eric King — City Manager (noted as taking notes)", "Ian Lighthouser — City Attorney", "Daniel (last name not given, on phone) — City consultant; provided the 25% electrification adoption estimate" ], "uncertainty": "Speaker identification is unreliable throughout. The transcript uses first names only (or no names) for many exchanges, and at least two participants named 'Sarah' appear to be different people (the Mayor and a Chamber representative). 'Mandy' and 'Arielle Mendez' may be the same person or two different people — the transcript is ambiguous. 'Brennan' and 'Garrett' have no affiliations clearly stated in the transcript (affiliations above are inferred from context). Cole from Cascade Natural Gas is never given a last name. The transcript is machine-generated (Aberdeen Captioning) and contains multiple garbled passages — notably the emissions statistics exchange, the RNG carbon-intensity discussion, and several cross-talk moments where attributions are lost. Some figures (e.g., '607 he -- 70%' for the January 2024 cold snap) appear corrupted. The 3.4% emissions figure from Cascade and the clarification about whether it includes distribution leaks was partially inaudible per the transcript itself. The consultant 'Daniel' was participating by phone and his responses are not captured." } }, "hindsight": null, "urls": { "meeting": "/bend/meeting/bend-2026-04-08-bend-city-council-electrification-round-table", "raw": "/bend/api/meeting/bend-2026-04-08-bend-city-council-electrification-round-table/raw.json", "sourceMeeting": "/bend/api/source/meeting/bend-2026-04-08-bend-city-council-electrification-round-table.json" } }