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>> we are all here.

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We will get started.

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Ashley will start the meeting.

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She needs to make sure both
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We have to be quiet while she is

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doing that so we don't overlap.
Good to go?

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Great.

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Welcome everybody here today to

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our really important roundtable
discussion.
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thank you all for coming.

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Grad you could make it to the
beautiful public works building.

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I want to go around the table to

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see who we are and our
association so we know everyone

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that is here and get into the

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objectives for the meeting and

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presentations.
>> I never get to be first.
City attorney for the city of

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bend.

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Ian lighthouser.

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>> scott jones, human rights and

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equity commission chair.

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>> franzosa city councilor.

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>> mike rhymely bend city
councillor.

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David burger local 290 and also

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state building trades knowledge
steve platt city council.

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Nor guise bend.

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>> chair of the environment and
climate committee.

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>> megan perkins bend city
council lower.

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Mayor of bend.
>> CHAIRMAN Of bend economic

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development board.
Allen spector cascade natural

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gas.

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Alisa dunlap specific power.
Arielle mendez.

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Chair of affordable housing

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advisory committee.
Central oregon builders

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association.
cassie lacey city manager's

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office.

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Eric king, city manager.

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>> thanks everyone for being
here. How this will work.

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This is a round table
discussion.

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This is to bring different
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listen to presentations and get

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your feedback and ideas.

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For council this is a listening
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If we have clarifying or

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informational questions jump in.
We want to hear from the folks

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at the table.

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We have an opportunity for
utility providers to share

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information with us so they have
presentations.

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They will have unput on the two

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questions we are talking about
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Those are input on exemptions to
the fee and implementation

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timeline and approach.

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We will have the presentations
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Each utility provider will give
the presentation and hold

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questions until the end.
We will take questions focusing

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on information and clarity from
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We will get into the individual

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stakeholders your ideas and
thoughts on these topics.

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We will discuss that after the
presentations are done.

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There are a lot of us.

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If you want to respond or ask a
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stand up your card so I can see
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I will make sure we get to
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I will call on folks if we need
to draw that information out.

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Not a time council will
deliberate or decide anything
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We are gathering information to
feed into a work session on
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Council will have time to
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the future of this policy.

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A lot of it is based on
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That is what we are doing today.

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I will throw it back to cassie
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and then presentations from
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>> thank you.
Information I will share is

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background information.

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Essentially information that I
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I will be brief so we can move
to discussion.
Background.

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City has been working on broader
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electrification of buildings in

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bend to achieve climate action

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goals over last year and-a-half.
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focusing on for the last few

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months is part of the

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disincentive and incentive

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component of rural work plan.

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We will create incentives using

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to encourage the electrification

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using proceeds of fee and

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exploring additional monetary
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The city is expanding
more robust program to share

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information about electrifying

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buildings or upcoming work a

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workshop series is coming up
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We have consequent ones for the
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In the last part of the plan

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monitoring landscape for policy

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levers for reducing gas use as

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well in the future.
background.

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Key steps so far.

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Policy development process.

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Council direction to pursue fee
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Work sessions with the council

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in AUGUST, OCTOBER and DECEMBER
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analysis on costs impacts of

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electrifying homes.

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Engagement options for
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In DECEMBER and FEBRUARY we
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to fee design.
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direction to pursue fee as
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They set fee level at reduced
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staff to convene this roundtable

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to focus on fee exemptions and
timeline for file major policy

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decisions we need council to

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give direction on to get the fee
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I will share a quick overview of

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the proposed fee structure.

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Social cost of carbon multiplied

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by net lifetime by gas appliance

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correlated to said of house.

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Damages from carbon dioxide.

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It takes into account the amount

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of carbon gas appliance produces

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over lifetime of apappliance

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minus carbon alternative
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that is the net carbon impact of
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Tier is multiplier to acts for
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carbon emissions from smaller or
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We established three tiers.

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Lowest is homes 1600 square feet

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That is 65% tier factor.

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1600 or 3,000 is average.

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This doesn't get adjusted.
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feet they are 150%.
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What council directed in

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FEBRUARY to adjust to 20% of
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This wases to minimize

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additional cost impact of fee on
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want to continue supporting
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climate goals as well.
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what would become the fee
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Fee is established per
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Each piece of equipment has

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dollar value varying over the
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factor.

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New home being built these are
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For single house add together to
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From this table you can see an
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equipment total fee would be
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Amounts correlated to relative

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energy use of equipment that is
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fee by quite a bit.

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That is summary of fee overview.

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I will now passover to utility

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presenter to hear from pacific

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power then cec and then cascade

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natural gas.

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>> I am alisa dunlap.

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I will wait until she pulls up
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I spoke with council a couple

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months ago.

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my presentation will be briefer.
That doesn't mean the rest of

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you shouldn't ask me questions.

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Feel free to ask detailed
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roundtable discussion.

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Overview of pacific power.

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We serve 600,000 customers
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Primarily rural utility.

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We have service territory, very
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then here in central oregon as

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well as out on the coast.
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infrastructure that serves city

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of bend.

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We have seven existing
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It is where high voltage power

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comes in to be stopped down to
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abbusinesses.

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There are seven substations.

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Five are planned or have been
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three years.
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next two years to be upgraded.

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We submitted plans for

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additional substation in
southeast bend within the next
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Why do I tell about
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Here is what is existing.

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What is existing is tapped out.

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We are actively trying to keep
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the region much like the city is

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building roads and sewer to
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We are trying to expand the grid

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to support the growth.

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Here are details on what growth

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looks like in bend.
This growth chart council saw

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before, but this represents 3%
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year-over-year.

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The reason the line at the
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same spot is because the

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baseline of where we sit for eye

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electrical capacity and load has

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grown year-over-year and it is
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Bend is second highest growth.

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Behind redmond.
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Redmond 4.3%.
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growth of central oregon.

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This is our compliance chart.

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You have seen this before.
Hb2021 I will give overview.

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I am sure my colleagues will
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State law passed in 2021.

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It requires investor owned

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utilities to meet targets.
80% baseline by 2030.

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This is projection of emissions
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We are in active rfp for
renewable resources for oregon.

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I have good news to report on
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I thought I wouldn't be able to
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the year.

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We will have preliminary results
available this summer.

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Something I committed to city
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updates because this is sort of
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about making these policy
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As soon as I have preliminary
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those with council.

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This will be the first rfp for

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renewable resources since the

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changes to federal production
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I would be remiss if I did not
say in from structure is needed

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to bring infrastructure to the
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Transmission lines and those
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We are kind of working in all of
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to meet the target that are

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currently set in oregon law.

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Lastly, things to consider.

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Infrastructure as the community
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Where will additional
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or other utilities need them?

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I put in here just a land
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five acres for a substation.

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We are going to need city

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support on finding places to put
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I will say electrical
infrastructure is not most

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exciting.

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It comes with controversy.
As we build out to support

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community we need support of the

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city.
Existing load growth trend.

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This is highest growing region.

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Bend is behind redmond as second
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We have a large
interconnectionqued for new
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A lot of projects in the
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That is all going to be strained
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That pushes the need for
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built and support for that.

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Lastly, on compliance.
Hb2021.

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The reason that rfp is so

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important to give us market
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going to cost.

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Within hb2021 there is
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Meaning if the costs are

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determined to be too high for

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customers, utilities are able to

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push outcome appliance dates to
preserve affordability for

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customers.

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That is something that is
unknown at the moment.

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I think I would be remiss if I

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didn't say there is discussion

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about the oregon legislature in

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2027 potentially pivoting to

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different emissions reductions
models or regulations.

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If that does change we will
certainly continue to engage

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with city staff on what
compliance with whatever the new

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thing is or if we are on the
current path we will continue to

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engage with the community.

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With that I am finished with my
presentation.

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>> thank you.
Is there anyone with a question

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at this point about that
information she presented?

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>> I have a question.

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You talked about affordability
off-ramp.

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It is widely publicized

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renewable energy solar and wind

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is less expensive than gas,
coal, nuclear.

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How do you judge that?
That affordability?

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How will that be judged?

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What will the all tentative be
for emission free energy.

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If you don't hit affordability

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you buy more expensive power?
>> I am unclear on your

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question.
Right now the current rfp open

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for renewable resources I am

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aware we have solicited bids for
wind, solar and battery.

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All of those would go towards
hb2021 compliance.

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I don't know the pricing.
That is not public.

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We are soliciting bids.

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when we see the pricing against
the market and whatever else is

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available in our resource

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portfolio, we will make cost
affordability calculations at
that point.

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All of these things have to be

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approved by the oregon public
utility commission.

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When we go into present the rfp
results, at that point we can

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point to market conditions that

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say, yes, these are affordable.

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Here is the compliance pathway
we are currently on.

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We expect everything to move

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forward as shown in that slide

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or, no, we need to make
adjustments what is coming back

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from the market.

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We can't tax customers in a way

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to make power unaffordable.
>> demand is also rising.

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You talked bend is in a growth

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phase and demand is increasing

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here.

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>> anyone else with a question?
>> I have a question.

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According to your slide from

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29-30 you go from 30% to 80%.

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That is 50% increase in
renewables.
You have rfp out.

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What is currently available in

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that one year period that is

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going to make your portfolio 50%
more?

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>> we had question about this
last time, too.

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I anticipate when this rfp

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results comes to fruition and we
have nor information that
compliance chart will look

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different.
We will have more renewable

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energy resources available in

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years prior to 2029.
I don't think it is going to

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stay the way it is right now

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with significant cliff from 29
to 30.

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This is our best guess based on
what we know of market

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conditions absence the current
rfp.

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>> you were talking about the
growth.

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Maybe I didn't understand.
Growth doesn't show what you are

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going to have to make up for not

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having in gas and utilities

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which is more than 30% growth.

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Is that accounted for?
>> natural gas will remain a

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part of the electric mix.
It is coal that can know longer

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serve oregon customers in 2030.

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>> what I am saying the growth

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and demand you are going to have

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to provide to bend.

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>> from potential move from gas.
Bend is very high growth rate.

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I think to do that type of
calculation that is very much

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getting in the weeds.

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I try to keep this high level as
possible.

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I am happy to run those numbers.

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I did run a few of the numbers
based on the fee presented from

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staff at the last discussion.

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We can talk about that if we

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need to get into the details.
>> what was on the slide is

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right now without the policy in
place?

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>> right.
>> something different if policy

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was in place?
>> yes.

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>> we have two other
presentations.

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I don't want to spend 40 to 50

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minutes so we can have
discussion.

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>> lisa, how much growth is
driven by residential and how

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much driven buy outs

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buy out side
residential.
>> most of the growth in

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residential is coming from
multifamily housing which is

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already electrified.

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Those are significant.

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They are on par with a small
manufacturer.

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>> thank you.
>> mike.

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>> I was going to ask the same
question.

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>> that worked out well.
Garrett.

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>> does the timeline for

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expansion of infrastructure
include land use or how long it

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takes to build substation.

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>> I don't think I laid out a
timeline.

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>> three to five acres is how
much land we need for

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substation.

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I used to say you could builds a

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substation in three years.
That is rocket speed.

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It does take the land use

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process along with ordering long
lead materials.

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You could probably still do it
in three years.

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More like four to five years for
a substation.

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>> any other questions?
>> thank you for the

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presentation.

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Any strategies that can meet new

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demand without transmission?
Large load flexibility is a huge

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opportunity we have when we have

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cold snaps and heat waves how we

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can keep the heat on.
They don't meet the multiyear

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infrastructure upgrades.
>> we have robust demand

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response program that is rolled

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out to commercial and industrial
first.

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It came to bend last summer as
residential program.

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We are heavily encouraging
energy efficiency.

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Those are two major ways we can

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curb the need for transmission
infrastructure.

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It is necessary to get power
from renewable energy resources

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not related here or next to a

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load to serve the load.

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>> moving to

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moving to cc next.
Your presentation.
Thank

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thank you, lisa.
>> brent ten pas.

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Central electric cooperative.
We appreciate the opportunity to

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be here today.

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I also want to acknowledge
cassie and her accessibility and

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reaching out in good
conversations with her.

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Very good productive transparent
conversations.

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Thank you, cassie.

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If pacific power is a rural
utility, central electric is

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very, very rural cooperative
utility.

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I will give you brief background

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who we are in my day-to-day

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there are sometimes a lack of

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awareness who cec is and who we

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are in our mission to serve the

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greater area.

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The co opin the 1940s through

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the rural electrification

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administration in the f dr
administration ranchers and

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farmers borrowed 240,000 and

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started to build the system
themselves.
That has grown over the years.

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We have a 5300 square file

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service territory across five
counties, tri-counties.
24 substations.

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We are currently grading to

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construct a new substation for

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the stevens ranch development.

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We have 24 substations.

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4,000 miles of energized

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powerlines.

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There is a snapshot of service
territory.

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If you go west you are looking
at the ski resort.

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East to iz, about 40 miles east

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of palina.

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North of madras.

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As far south as brothers and I
forget that little town out
there.

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We go pretty far south to
hampton.

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The yellow you see is

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unincorporated or unallocated
territory.

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If you are in the yellow area

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you have a choice to connect

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with cec or pacific power.

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Everything that you see there in

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pink is pacific power.

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That is a snapshot as of the end
of 2025.

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We are primarily residential

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irrigation frankly has slowly

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been declining over the years

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for drought, farming, ranching,
second and third generations

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don't want to do it.
Change in our make up.

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We have commercial.

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Also our largest number is the
st. Charles hospital.

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At the time it was constructed
it was so far out it was in the

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service territory.

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That is an idea of growth over

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the decades.

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Zero in on the city of bend.

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Red line is the border.
Pink is again pacific power.

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Yellow would be unallocated.
All of that growth on the east

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tsai

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on east sideis service territory.

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7500 members in the city of

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bend.
We will touch on it later.

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With growth we will nearly

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double the number of members

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within the city of bend.

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We purchase our power through

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bonneville power administration
which managed columbia river

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power system.

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We purchase power through

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generation cooperative pngc.
Fuel mix is pretty clean

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depending on the water year 89

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to 93 to 94% emission free.

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We have 13% nuclear.

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Within that 13% of nonspecified

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00:30:15,464 --> 00:30:17,464
market purchases you will see

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some small wind and solar.

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Most of those market purchases

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are more carbon intensive.

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This is important to highlight.

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Bpa is tier rate to balance low

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cost federal power with
regional.

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Public utilities, municipal
utilities or co-ops.

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We are coming to end of 20 year
contract.

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That tier 1 power for $40

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megawatt comes off hydro system

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as well as bpa columbia
generating in washington.

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It is stable and predictable.

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Tier 2 power is $70 a megawatt.

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All of the growth we are

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experiencing falls under tier 2.

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It is more carbon intensive

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which impacts overall resource.

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Power costs 52% of our operating
budget.

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00:31:39,582 --> 00:31:41,582
Bpa power is rising in cost.

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00:31:42,518 --> 00:31:44,518
Last year they implemented 19%

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,455
increase for customers over
three years.

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Cec had to go out and raise its
rates just over 9%.

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00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:56,930
We are starting cost service

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analysis to look at what to do

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for this year and the following

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year to match that.

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Organic growth which I touched

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on we have seen increase 10%
membership and we expect that

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again over the next five years.

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This is not just bend, but it is

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also for us northwest redmond

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and sisters which is entirely in

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our service territory.
Obviously greatest growth is in

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the steven road development.

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Also the multi-unit housing is
driving upload as well.

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You also have library there and
just the other residential that

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00:32:44,814 --> 00:32:46,814
is growing there.

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We understand there is nearly

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00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,920
7500 homes that will pretty much

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00:32:53,223 --> 00:32:55,223
double our service meters just

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00:32:55,859 --> 00:32:57,859
within the city of bend over the

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next few years.

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One of the things to touch on.

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Resource adequacy is an

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increasing challenge.

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Over last two years multiple

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00:33:18,415 --> 00:33:20,749
headlines about potential
blackouts, 9 giga watt shortfall

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00:33:23,153 --> 00:33:24,987
in that generation online not
keeping pace with that
shortfall.

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00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,900
Put it into perspective.

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00:33:32,229 --> 00:33:35,197
9 gigawatts would be like nine
1,000-megawatt power plants.

520
00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:42,605
State of oregon uses almost 7
gigawatts.
Throw in peak load.

521
00:33:44,975 --> 00:33:46,975
That is almost 9 gigawatts there

522
00:33:49,179 --> 00:33:51,179
to put example to that.

523
00:33:52,516 --> 00:33:54,516
It's growing and resource

524
00:33:55,252 --> 00:33:57,252
adequacy is becoming ever

525
00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:00,121
increasing issue as well as the

526
00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:11,801
cost for power is soaring.
The data centers receive much of

527
00:34:14,571 --> 00:34:16,106
the attention and blame for
soaring energy demand.

528
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,744
They are playing a role in it.
Pacific northwest is

529
00:34:21,978 --> 00:34:23,978
experiencing great growth as we

530
00:34:25,216 --> 00:34:28,840
also see here in central oregon.
Greater electrification of homes

531
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:32,656
including heating,
air-conditioning, water heating,

532
00:34:33,424 --> 00:34:35,424
adoption of electric vehicles.

533
00:34:37,795 --> 00:34:39,795
The other thing contributes is

534
00:34:40,864 --> 00:34:42,999
retirement of coal and less
efficient natural gas that are

535
00:34:44,268 --> 00:34:47,103
not replaced.
Demand is outgrowing what is

536
00:34:47,738 --> 00:34:49,738
coming online.

537
00:34:51,842 --> 00:34:54,777
Then you have the thorny knot of
transmission constraints.

538
00:34:56,313 --> 00:34:58,382
How will you import these firm
resources into the state of

539
00:34:58,382 --> 00:35:00,382
oregon?

540
00:35:02,453 --> 00:35:04,555
The permitting and construction,
everything that goes into

541
00:35:04,555 --> 00:35:06,555
construction.

542
00:35:08,192 --> 00:35:10,560
Those are all issues as my
colleague has to work through

543
00:35:12,163 --> 00:35:14,163
just to have transmission to

544
00:35:14,932 --> 00:35:17,367
bring in and import that kind of
power.

545
00:35:18,969 --> 00:35:20,436
We took a serious hit just last
month.

546
00:35:21,439 --> 00:35:23,439
Many of you MAY be following

547
00:35:27,278 --> 00:35:29,646
what is happening with the
federal system and lawsuits

548
00:35:30,548 --> 00:35:32,548
going on for over a decade.

549
00:35:35,987 --> 00:35:37,987
A federal judge injunction

550
00:35:38,489 --> 00:35:40,357
issued to alter operations of
bpa system.

551
00:35:43,761 --> 00:35:45,761
Bottom line is that from APRIL

552
00:35:46,330 --> 00:35:48,330
into summer, they are now going

553
00:35:48,899 --> 00:35:50,899
to buy pass generations.

554
00:35:51,502 --> 00:35:53,690
Losing several hundred average
megawatt.

555
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:56,380
That is going to be lost for

556
00:35:57,508 --> 00:36:00,277
public power that is pretty much
overnight a 6% increase in costs

557
00:36:01,779 --> 00:36:03,779
of power on top of what we just

558
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:06,849
now have to deal with with the

559
00:36:08,252 --> 00:36:09,786
three year 19% increase in
power.

560
00:36:13,324 --> 00:36:14,558
How are we meeting future
demand?

561
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,600
First and foremost we are going

562
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:24,660
to promote efficient electricity

563
00:36:25,203 --> 00:36:27,938
use to reduce tier 2 power
performs to keep rates low.

564
00:36:30,241 --> 00:36:32,743
We have never as co-op engaged
in fuel switching.

565
00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:35,278
We believed that members know

566
00:36:35,813 --> 00:36:38,348
what is best as far as meeting
their energy needs.

567
00:36:39,751 --> 00:36:42,719
what we have done over the
decades we have very robust

568
00:36:44,122 --> 00:36:46,122
energy efficiency program as

569
00:36:47,326 --> 00:36:49,660
well as rebates and inspections
to help guide other members

570
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,280
through energy choices to really

571
00:36:54,766 --> 00:36:56,766
if they choose to electrify and

572
00:36:57,469 --> 00:36:59,469
go with high efficiency

573
00:37:00,105 --> 00:37:02,274
appliances to maintain
affordability and responsible

574
00:37:02,274 --> 00:37:04,274
energy use.

575
00:37:07,579 --> 00:37:10,548
You know, we cannot afford to
stand idly by and basically have

576
00:37:12,684 --> 00:37:14,684
bpa dictate to us what is

577
00:37:16,188 --> 00:37:18,188
happening on tier 2.

578
00:37:19,424 --> 00:37:21,424
Through our co-op we are looking

579
00:37:22,427 --> 00:37:24,427
at battery solar in the culver

580
00:37:25,797 --> 00:37:27,797
area among 25 members who wants

581
00:37:29,167 --> 00:37:31,167
to opt-in to help reduce tier 2

582
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:34,438
reliance on bpa.
We have also signed two

583
00:37:37,476 --> 00:37:39,760
different power purchasing
agreements wind and solar to

584
00:37:42,314 --> 00:37:44,314
help diversify our portfolio.

585
00:37:48,153 --> 00:37:50,153
We are not seeing a lot of cost

586
00:37:53,626 --> 00:37:55,359
savings from tier 2.
Marginal difference than tier 2.

587
00:37:58,664 --> 00:38:00,664
At the end in wrapping up, as

588
00:38:00,732 --> 00:38:02,166
not for profit member owned
utility.

589
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,200
Our mission is to provide

590
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,408
electricity to members at lowest
cost.
Fulfilling that mission is more

591
00:38:13,645 --> 00:38:15,645
difficult as we look at growth

592
00:38:19,785 --> 00:38:21,452
how the energy industry is
evolving.

593
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:25,550
We don't have full appreciation

594
00:38:25,457 --> 00:38:27,892
for what the understanding what
those potential financial

595
00:38:30,162 --> 00:38:32,162
impacts would be for members.

596
00:38:33,499 --> 00:38:36,301
We know more load coming on
increases tier 2 costs and

597
00:38:37,369 --> 00:38:39,369
increases infrastructure costs

598
00:38:39,572 --> 00:38:41,572
sizing things appropriately.

599
00:38:43,809 --> 00:38:46,440
We are looking at the substation
stevens ranch with hopefully

600
00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:48,246
construction time of three
years.

601
00:38:50,549 --> 00:38:52,549
It will cost about $13 million.

602
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,354
we are thinking about second
substation to help meet the

603
00:38:59,558 --> 00:39:01,558
energy needs in southeast bend.

604
00:39:01,727 --> 00:39:04,362
I will answer questions.
>> questions?

605
00:39:04,897 --> 00:39:06,897
Councilor mendez.

606
00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:10,660
>> thank you.

607
00:39:10,802 --> 00:39:13,238
You said over 90% current mix is
carbon emission free.

608
00:39:14,106 --> 00:39:17,750
Could you describe what the
future expansion looks like in

609
00:39:20,112 --> 00:39:21,346
terms of carbon emission
profile.

610
00:39:24,717 --> 00:39:26,751
>> cec or bpa?
>> cec.

611
00:39:28,354 --> 00:39:30,354
>> that growth under tier 2 will

612
00:39:30,723 --> 00:39:32,723
be more carbon intensive.

613
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:36,460
I can't put a number on it.

614
00:39:39,399 --> 00:39:41,800
We are proactive with wind and
solar to shave some of that off.

615
00:39:42,969 --> 00:39:44,436
As well through energy
efficiency.

616
00:39:45,938 --> 00:39:47,938
We have a challenge.

617
00:39:53,112 --> 00:39:55,800
Potentially that solar with the
battary storage in culver could

618
00:39:55,982 --> 00:39:58,951
help as well.
>> steve.
>> you talked about challenges

619
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,321
with transmission in the area of
local and in the area.

620
00:40:02,989 --> 00:40:05,560
You have city council and staff
here listening.

621
00:40:07,126 --> 00:40:09,126
How can we best help?

622
00:40:09,228 --> 00:40:10,729
>> we have two different
challenges.

623
00:40:13,799 --> 00:40:15,799
Our challenge is bpa.

624
00:40:15,868 --> 00:40:17,868
Bpa is the transmission provider

625
00:40:18,538 --> 00:40:19,805
for almost all of pacific
northwest.

626
00:40:21,808 --> 00:40:24,109
To give you example of the
transmission constraints we have

627
00:40:27,313 --> 00:40:29,313
been experiencing in the primary

628
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:31,884
area lack of transmission
surface capacity.

629
00:40:34,187 --> 00:40:36,187
We have spent over 10 years

630
00:40:39,759 --> 00:40:41,759
lobbying bpa to increase size of

631
00:40:43,596 --> 00:40:45,596
ponderosa substation.

632
00:40:46,399 --> 00:40:48,399
As well construct bonanza

633
00:40:48,802 --> 00:40:50,536
substation to step down that
high voltage power.

634
00:40:51,538 --> 00:40:53,172
we have finally gotten to a
tipping points.

635
00:40:54,908 --> 00:40:56,242
They are moving forward with
funding.

636
00:40:58,712 --> 00:41:01,513
I can tell you that timeline has
already been pushed out a couple

637
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:04,150
more years.

638
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,840
We have gone from looking at

639
00:41:07,487 --> 00:41:09,487
potentially having that online

640
00:41:09,656 --> 00:41:11,656
in 2029 to maybe 2032.

641
00:41:15,228 --> 00:41:18,970
As those involved in edco know.
We have to turn people and

642
00:41:19,399 --> 00:41:21,399
industry away due to those

643
00:41:22,136 --> 00:41:24,136
constraints.

644
00:41:25,372 --> 00:41:27,773
I liken bpa to naval aircraft
carrier trying to turn it
around.

645
00:41:28,976 --> 00:41:30,976
That is the challenge we have

646
00:41:31,512 --> 00:41:33,512
when it comes to transmission.

647
00:41:35,216 --> 00:41:37,216
>> thank you.

648
00:41:40,854 --> 00:41:43,756
Final question then cascade.
>> I think you have similar

649
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:46,526
problems with distribution
system.

650
00:41:47,895 --> 00:41:49,895
How is the distribution system

651
00:41:50,264 --> 00:41:52,264
impacted when people choose to

652
00:41:53,934 --> 00:41:56,803
put solar on their roof as well
as plugging in electric vehicle

653
00:41:57,204 --> 00:41:59,204
and all of that stuff?

654
00:42:00,174 --> 00:42:02,174
I have solar on my roof.

655
00:42:03,110 --> 00:42:05,110
My bill is minimal.

656
00:42:06,313 --> 00:42:07,747
How does that help or harm the
distribution?

657
00:42:09,350 --> 00:42:11,385
What is the status of the
distribution network.

658
00:42:11,385 --> 00:42:13,385
>> two answers.

659
00:42:13,988 --> 00:42:15,988
It is interesting because

660
00:42:17,224 --> 00:42:19,224
believe

661
00:42:19,293 --> 00:42:21,293
residential rates are low.

662
00:42:24,732 --> 00:42:27,500
We do not have a lot of solar.
45, $50,000 investment how low

663
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,804
our rates are it didn't pencil
out.

664
00:42:31,772 --> 00:42:33,373
Those that pay that premium for
solar.

665
00:42:35,543 --> 00:42:38,780
When it comes to increasing
load, electric vehicles,

666
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,481
charging at home, fully
electrifying homes.

667
00:42:42,883 --> 00:42:44,883
What we have to do with the new

668
00:42:45,185 --> 00:42:46,553
developments is resize
infrastructure.

669
00:42:47,488 --> 00:42:50,457
One of the biggest concerns was
if the city was looking at

670
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,796
putting in natural gas rights in
legacy neighborhoods that would

671
00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:03,350
be very problematic for cec

672
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,640
because the other imagine from

673
00:43:08,743 --> 00:43:10,100
structure was not built to ham
that load.

674
00:43:12,914 --> 00:43:15,882
Members pay for infrastructure
upgrades.
Line extension the member has to

675
00:43:17,385 --> 00:43:19,385
pay out of pocket to do that.

676
00:43:20,989 --> 00:43:23,957
It just comes down to knowing
where and when that load is

677
00:43:24,192 --> 00:43:26,192
increasing and making sure we

678
00:43:26,894 --> 00:43:28,428
have the right infrastructure in
place.

679
00:43:29,631 --> 00:43:31,131
I can't give you a specific
answer to that question.

680
00:43:32,166 --> 00:43:34,166
I don't know if that helps.

681
00:43:34,369 --> 00:43:36,369
>> it does, yes.

682
00:43:37,405 --> 00:43:39,405
>> so we will move next to

683
00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:43,644
cascade natural gas.
We do want to make sure we have

684
00:43:43,644 --> 00:43:45,644
time for discussion.

685
00:43:47,148 --> 00:43:49,683
There are slides from cng in
that discussion.

686
00:43:51,185 --> 00:43:53,185
Starting the background slides

687
00:43:54,222 --> 00:43:56,222
and pause for questions and get

688
00:43:56,691 --> 00:43:58,691
into that.

689
00:44:00,528 --> 00:44:02,528
>> I will invite my colleague to

690
00:44:10,605 --> 00:44:12,605
start the presentation.

691
00:44:12,907 --> 00:44:14,341
>> good afternoon.
Don moore.

692
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,977
Region director for cascade
natural gas.

693
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:21,150
I support operations teams
across oregon and washington.

694
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:24,618
I grew up central oregon.
I live here in bend.

695
00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:30,558
This is my first roundtable.
I saw a roundtable on the invite

696
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,726
and all of the city of bend
information.

697
00:44:33,929 --> 00:44:36,130
Yet I was surprised when I
walked in the room to see the

698
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,200
table in this configuration.

699
00:44:40,202 --> 00:44:43,137
We appreciate the dialogue we
have had with the city of bend.

700
00:44:43,438 --> 00:44:45,438
We want to continue discussions

701
00:44:45,841 --> 00:44:48,100
with the city what a well
designed ordinance MAY look

702
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,100
like.

703
00:44:50,812 --> 00:44:52,812
Specifically we want to ensure

704
00:44:54,490 --> 00:44:56,490
guardrails on housing

705
00:44:56,351 --> 00:44:58,351
affordability and energy

706
00:44:58,420 --> 00:45:01,155
reliable and path wades to
recognize cascade investment in

707
00:45:02,691 --> 00:45:04,691
energy efficiency and low carbon

708
00:45:05,194 --> 00:45:07,194
solutions like renewable natural

709
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:09,829
gas and dual fuel systems.

710
00:45:10,566 --> 00:45:12,934
If the proposal today doesn't
take that into consideration we

711
00:45:15,737 --> 00:45:18,573
need to be realistic on the
demand on the constrained system

712
00:45:19,842 --> 00:45:21,842
and environmental impact of

713
00:45:22,911 --> 00:45:25,880
generating that electricity.
If the city policy does not

714
00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:28,515
account for that it MAY cause

715
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,719
more problems than it solves.

716
00:45:33,188 --> 00:45:35,657
We hope to work with rather than
against bend.

717
00:45:36,958 --> 00:45:38,958
We have a legal obligation to

718
00:45:39,562 --> 00:45:41,562
serve customers in bend and we

719
00:45:41,864 --> 00:45:43,864
think we can make a compelling

720
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:46,900
case for keeping natural gas as

721
00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:53,174
pardon of the bend energy mix.
We have been serving central

722
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:55,809
oregon since 1960s.

723
00:45:57,513 --> 00:46:00,810
We have 62000 customers here in
central oregon, 11 communities.

724
00:46:08,791 --> 00:46:10,125
To the far north madras and far
south shamalt.

725
00:46:10,826 --> 00:46:12,826
We have 35 local employees 25

726
00:46:18,467 --> 00:46:20,769
are bargain unit employees.
Partners at pacific power and

727
00:46:21,537 --> 00:46:23,537
central oregon electric

728
00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:26,373
mentioned resource adequacy.

729
00:46:26,576 --> 00:46:29,411
Cascade is not at odds with
either of those utilities.

730
00:46:31,581 --> 00:46:33,581
In fact, inner dependence

731
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:36,450
between natural gas and electric

732
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,519
utilities is only increasing.

733
00:46:39,756 --> 00:46:41,756
We have sourced a study.

734
00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:44,125
Pacific northwest utilities

735
00:46:46,729 --> 00:46:48,729
conference committee regional

736
00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:51,650
forecast 2025 to 2035.

737
00:46:51,467 --> 00:46:53,467
It lays out in stark terms that

738
00:46:55,138 --> 00:46:57,138
the pacific northwest energy

739
00:46:57,306 --> 00:46:59,306
system is constrained.

740
00:47:01,644 --> 00:47:03,578
Now in the pacific northwest
winter peak exceeds summer peak.

741
00:47:08,651 --> 00:47:10,651
When it gets really cold you

742
00:47:11,487 --> 00:47:14,289
need additional BTUs cascade
provides.

743
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Extreme weather in JANUARY 14,

744
00:47:19,462 --> 00:47:22,130
2024 affected northwest
including bend.

745
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,300
During that 24 hour period

746
00:47:32,709 --> 00:47:34,709
during one hour period 607 he --

747
00:47:37,747 --> 00:47:39,615
70% of the energy gas came from
natural gas.

748
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:42,751
It is leaned on to provide
capacity.

749
00:47:44,187 --> 00:47:46,187
That is there.

750
00:47:47,724 --> 00:47:50,226
Industry leaders in the 10 year
forecast stressed urgency for

751
00:47:51,628 --> 00:47:53,628
coordination and investment in

752
00:47:54,264 --> 00:47:56,264
both natural gas and electric

753
00:47:56,566 --> 00:47:58,602
resources.
Regional collaboration is

754
00:47:58,602 --> 00:48:01,503
essential.
I believe you MAY not want

755
00:48:05,976 --> 00:48:07,976
natural gas but you need it.

756
00:48:08,178 --> 00:48:10,178
There is an interest and

757
00:48:10,247 --> 00:48:13,216
understanding local impact of
emissions.
Resource it is important to step

758
00:48:13,850 --> 00:48:15,850
back to understand the relative

759
00:48:19,656 --> 00:48:21,656
amount of emissions resource is

760
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,927
from 2023 oregon department
environmental quality.

761
00:48:28,732 --> 00:48:30,732
35% of all emissions in 2023

762
00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:33,340
transportation.

763
00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:35,870
29% electricity, 15% natural

764
00:48:35,973 --> 00:48:37,973
gas.

765
00:48:40,143 --> 00:48:42,512
3.4% of all emissions in 2023
were attributed to gas

766
00:48:42,713 --> 00:48:44,713
distributed by cascade.

767
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,160
That is a small amount, cascade

768
00:48:48,952 --> 00:48:50,953
is investing in low carbon
solutions.

769
00:48:53,557 --> 00:48:55,557
Like rmg and dual fuel systems.

770
00:48:57,861 --> 00:48:59,861
I will ask my colleague cole to

771
00:49:01,231 --> 00:49:03,231
share information about those

772
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:18,681
investments.
>> don, quick introduction.

773
00:49:21,685 --> 00:49:24,200
I am manager of industrial
SERVICEs cascade natural gas

774
00:49:28,759 --> 00:49:30,126
focusing on renewable natural
gas development.

775
00:49:31,796 --> 00:49:33,796
I have experience working at

776
00:49:34,197 --> 00:49:36,566
combination electric and gas
utility and electric
cooperative.

777
00:49:37,501 --> 00:49:40,336
That being said, I want to
introduce you to some of the

778
00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:44,730
efforts cascade is doing. In

779
00:49:46,277 --> 00:49:48,277
addition to energy efficiency.

780
00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:51,413
Investments in participation r&d

781
00:49:53,451 --> 00:49:56,860
through gas technology.
Renewable natural gas.

782
00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:03,250
Biogas is existing resource

783
00:50:03,294 --> 00:50:04,627
whether or not used or not is a
good question.

784
00:50:07,231 --> 00:50:09,231
It is through decomposition of

785
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,603
organic materials in landfills,
waste water treatment,

786
00:50:15,206 --> 00:50:18,108
agricultural sites and so forth.
Really we have avenues to

787
00:50:19,944 --> 00:50:21,944
repurpose this biogas.

788
00:50:24,749 --> 00:50:26,749
Refined upgraded to meet utility

789
00:50:26,851 --> 00:50:29,619
specifications and utilized in
utility transportation.

790
00:50:30,922 --> 00:50:33,423
We make investments in renewable
natural gas and we will discuss

791
00:50:36,461 --> 00:50:38,461
those shortly.

792
00:50:38,529 --> 00:50:40,529
Cascade renewable natural gas

793
00:50:40,865 --> 00:50:42,865
efforts are depicted here.

794
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:46,350
Three projects renewable natural

795
00:50:46,437 --> 00:50:47,871
gas and two projects under
development.

796
00:50:51,709 --> 00:50:52,976
One is locally at the knot
landfill.

797
00:50:57,810 --> 00:50:58,716
Cascade will own and operate the
natural gas plant to use that

798
00:50:59,217 --> 00:51:01,217
resource in the community.

799
00:51:01,319 --> 00:51:03,319
We are looking forward to the

800
00:51:04,689 --> 00:51:07,558
opportunity to capture that,
refine and utilize for benefit

801
00:51:08,293 --> 00:51:10,293
of customers.

802
00:51:12,130 --> 00:51:14,130
Cascade efforts in renewable

803
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,736
natural gas are landfills and
wastewater treatment plant
being.

804
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,141
We have voluntary renewable gas
program you can receive supply

805
00:51:26,770 --> 00:51:28,770
of

806
00:51:29,681 --> 00:51:31,681
gas that can help us drive our

807
00:51:33,418 --> 00:51:35,418
efforts in this emerging

808
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:37,254
technology space.
Additionally in bend we are

809
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:41,392
working on dual fuel heat pump
system program.

810
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:46,620
This is trying to understand is

811
00:51:46,131 --> 00:51:47,665
utilization of dual fuel heat
pumps.

812
00:51:48,767 --> 00:51:50,767
Can this be better system that

813
00:51:50,936 --> 00:51:53,471
can benefit both electric and
natural gas companies

814
00:51:54,206 --> 00:51:56,206
alleviating demand constraints

815
00:51:56,208 --> 00:51:57,942
existing or future demand
constraints.

816
00:51:59,578 --> 00:52:01,578
While also leveraging heating

817
00:52:05,483 --> 00:52:08,190
cooling for customers more
cost-effective both summer and

818
00:52:08,487 --> 00:52:10,955
winter.
We believe it has great

819
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,494
opportunity to benefit both
constrainted grid and meet

820
00:52:17,963 --> 00:52:19,963
customer needs in local area and

821
00:52:21,133 --> 00:52:23,133
expanded service territories.

822
00:52:23,335 --> 00:52:25,335
>> I will ask to pause and check

823
00:52:32,244 --> 00:52:34,244
in with questions so far.

824
00:52:35,481 --> 00:52:37,481
R and g this is a time to ask

825
00:52:39,218 --> 00:52:41,218
questions before the policy.

826
00:52:44,123 --> 00:52:46,123
>> your colleague said 3.4% of

827
00:52:46,993 --> 00:52:48,993
all emissions.

828
00:52:49,361 --> 00:52:50,540
Attributed to cascade natural
gas.

829
00:52:55,501 --> 00:52:57,501
Does that include emissions

830
00:52:58,470 --> 00:53:00,400
attributed to distribution
leaks?

831
00:53:01,173 --> 00:53:03,173
>> when you say distribution.

832
00:53:03,242 --> 00:53:05,242
These emissions are to the

833
00:53:07,613 --> 00:53:09,714
volumes we provide new customers
customers.

834
00:53:11,584 --> 00:53:13,584
In use molecules we report on.

835
00:53:13,986 --> 00:53:16,421
When you talk about
transportation can you provide

836
00:53:17,923 --> 00:53:19,923
more context?

837
00:53:20,459 --> 00:53:22,459
>> I am hearing no.

838
00:53:23,729 --> 00:53:25,296
Would not account for
distribution leaks?

839
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,869
>> I can answer that question.
>> so we can make sure it is on

840
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:35,390
the recording.

841
00:53:35,308 --> 00:53:37,742
Systems emissions.
>> I didn't hear that.

842
00:53:39,278 --> 00:53:41,278
>> it is called system emissions

843
00:53:42,248 --> 00:53:44,248
and gas distributed.

844
00:53:44,850 --> 00:53:46,500
>> other questions.
Sarah.

845
00:53:49,488 --> 00:53:51,690
>> I am curious about results of
dual fuel heat pump.

846
00:53:52,224 --> 00:53:54,960
What data you expect to share
and what that would be shared

847
00:53:56,395 --> 00:53:58,597
with the community.
>> reference there the gas

848
00:53:58,597 --> 00:54:00,165
technology institute is project
partner.

849
00:54:01,667 --> 00:54:03,667
They are active in utility

850
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:07,140
industry for pilots and research
and development opportunities.

851
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:09,140
Presentation that was presented

852
00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:13,245
a few weeks ago at a large
industry conference.

853
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,116
Publicly available.
Preliminary findings can be

854
00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:20,185
referenced now then full
findings anticipated to be in

855
00:54:22,989 --> 00:54:24,989
about a year.

856
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,862
Looking to utilize over a full
calendar year to understand how

857
00:54:31,431 --> 00:54:34,320
they operate for our customers.
>> mike.
>> can you talk about the full

858
00:54:39,372 --> 00:54:41,372
cost to deliver r and g to

859
00:54:42,442 --> 00:54:44,442
capital plus deliver recompared

860
00:54:45,512 --> 00:54:47,512
to cost of natural gas.

861
00:54:50,830 --> 00:54:52,485
What is magnitude.
>> renewable gas is more

862
00:54:52,485 --> 00:54:54,485
expensive.

863
00:54:55,889 --> 00:54:57,322
We are to comply with
regulations.

864
00:54:59,259 --> 00:55:01,259
At time of evaluations it was

865
00:55:01,895 --> 00:55:03,862
most cost-effective to meet
obligations.

866
00:55:03,896 --> 00:55:05,896
Scope and scale.

867
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,401
My understanding based on
previous analysis.

868
00:55:10,637 --> 00:55:12,637
[Inaudible]

869
00:55:12,939 --> 00:55:14,740
Higher offsetting needs for gas
supply.

870
00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:18,420
Those equivalent volumes on

871
00:55:19,212 --> 00:55:21,380
board injecting are serving
needs of environmental

872
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:25,150
requirements and offsetting

873
00:55:25,852 --> 00:55:27,852
natural gas volumes we would

874
00:55:28,922 --> 00:55:31,824
typically source from fossil
fuel.
>> steve.
>> I am interested in the

875
00:55:32,590 --> 00:55:34,590
landfill capture locally.

876
00:55:34,594 --> 00:55:36,762
How it is flared off.
Two questions.

877
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,568
How many homes could be heated
using that?

878
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:48,400
What is expected timelie to get
usable renewable natural gas off

879
00:55:48,241 --> 00:55:50,241
that site?

880
00:55:53,413 --> 00:55:55,715
>> if you don't mind pivoting
back one slide.

881
00:55:57,551 --> 00:55:59,551
In state of oregon customers in

882
00:56:03,624 --> 00:56:05,458
last evaluation last year 672
terms.

883
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:10,296
Anticipated injecting
2.5 million terms.

884
00:56:11,565 --> 00:56:13,565
3700 homes worth of gas

885
00:56:15,169 --> 00:56:17,203
associated with our volumes
there.

886
00:56:17,738 --> 00:56:19,738
As far as lifespan.

887
00:56:21,608 --> 00:56:24,428
I will acknowledge the fact the
knot landfill is scheduled to
close.

888
00:56:25,713 --> 00:56:28,548
That is to move forward with
this opportunity, this plant

889
00:56:29,650 --> 00:56:31,650
will utilize gas continually

890
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,989
generated over the lifetime
which we are involved for 20

891
00:56:34,989 --> 00:56:36,989
year period.

892
00:56:37,191 --> 00:56:39,826
There will be renewable natural
gas sourced from that site for

893
00:56:41,996 --> 00:56:43,996
at least the next 20 years.

894
00:56:47,401 --> 00:56:49,903
>> 3700 homes off that site?
>> that's correct.
>> thanks.

895
00:56:50,371 --> 00:56:52,371
>> any other questions?

896
00:56:54,108 --> 00:56:56,776
>> go ahead.
>> my understanding r and g from

897
00:56:59,613 --> 00:57:01,613
a variety of feedstocks.

898
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:09,540
Dairyman neurojects withdairyman now

899
00:57:13,261 --> 00:57:15,261
dairy and man new.

900
00:57:17,365 --> 00:57:19,365
Is cascade uses environmental

901
00:57:19,433 --> 00:57:22,680
attributes from that gas?
>> you are correct in the fact

902
00:57:23,471 --> 00:57:25,471
that different r and g sources

903
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,976
have different carbon intensity
associated with them.

904
00:57:29,277 --> 00:57:31,811
Company is not involved with
anything with dairy.

905
00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:34,780
Reason is most of those projects

906
00:57:36,851 --> 00:57:38,851
are sourced in the low carbon

907
00:57:39,921 --> 00:57:41,921
fuel standard in transportation

908
00:57:42,123 --> 00:57:44,591
industry bigger financial
driver.

909
00:57:47,962 --> 00:57:49,962
Federally mandated.

910
00:57:50,765 --> 00:57:52,765
For purposes of compliance in

911
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,300
oregon more carbon agonotic.

912
00:57:57,171 --> 00:58:00,107
Not necessarily focusing on
larger investments with dairy

913
00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:03,710
facility with large digester to to
be installed.

914
00:58:04,479 --> 00:58:06,280
Not something we are currently
involved in.

915
00:58:06,881 --> 00:58:09,516
Not saying won't be involved in
the future depending on the

916
00:58:09,951 --> 00:58:11,951
state policies.

917
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,120
>> if cascade gets involved in

918
00:58:14,756 --> 00:58:16,756
the future those attributes

919
00:58:16,858 --> 00:58:18,858
don't help with the cpp

920
00:58:19,694 --> 00:58:22,530
compliance is that correct
understanding?

921
00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:25,660
Depending how we are involved
with the project we have

922
00:58:27,268 --> 00:58:30,204
different structures.
Carbon compliance could be

923
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:33,940
sourced and utilized if we are

924
00:58:38,246 --> 00:58:41,148
involved with that project.
Methane, raw gas and environment

925
00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:44,830
tell attributes associated.

926
00:58:44,619 --> 00:58:46,619
>> anyone else with a question?

927
00:58:49,124 --> 00:58:51,124
What I will ask cascade to do.

928
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:53,961
Next slides are general
feedback.
Skip to implementation to make

929
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:57,300
sure we get on record your

930
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:00,334
feedback on implementation
timeframe and exemptions that

931
00:59:01,169 --> 00:59:03,270
are two things we are discussing
today.

932
00:59:04,673 --> 00:59:06,673
Move to that slide and whoever

933
00:59:08,944 --> 00:59:11,646
is presenting on that slide for
implementation timeframe.

934
00:59:13,515 --> 00:59:15,716
>> I would be glad to speak to
that.

935
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:19,190
Alyn spector from cascade
natural gas.

936
00:59:20,356 --> 00:59:22,523
I appreciate the opportunity to
speak at round table about

937
00:59:24,359 --> 00:59:26,359
potential ways to avoid

938
00:59:26,662 --> 00:59:28,729
unintended consequences of a
potential fee.

939
00:59:29,598 --> 00:59:31,699
First, we feel strongly
especially after hearing

940
00:59:33,435 --> 00:59:35,435
feedback of electric utilities

941
00:59:36,605 --> 00:59:38,605
that until compliance is

942
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:41,700
demonstrated with hb2021 there

943
00:59:41,577 --> 00:59:43,577
is no guarantee it is going to

944
00:59:43,812 --> 00:59:46,681
reduce carbon emissions.
To put this in place.

945
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,619
We would ask that at the very
least pacific power will have
results this summer.

946
00:59:53,622 --> 00:59:56,557
That is critical information and
they are able to meet their

947
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:00,295
goals, the ordinance shouldn't
move forward.

948
01:00:00,295 --> 01:00:02,295
Likewise, we have been working

949
01:00:03,332 --> 01:00:05,332
with the city with the dual fuel

950
01:00:07,436 --> 01:00:09,904
pilot we put together that pairs
electric heat pump and gas

951
01:00:10,105 --> 01:00:12,105
furnace to allow each to do what

952
01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:14,308
they do best.

953
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:17,378
Full findings integrated in
MARCH 2027.

954
01:00:18,514 --> 01:00:20,916
We would love to have that pilot
complete and provide that data

955
01:00:22,885 --> 01:00:24,886
to the city to help inform what
moves forward.

956
01:00:26,722 --> 01:00:29,491
If the ordinance does pass we
encourage the city explore this

957
01:00:31,227 --> 01:00:33,828
as multiyear pilot program.
Implementation phased in
overtime.

958
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:37,320
I think it is very important to
pay attention to impacts to

959
01:00:39,135 --> 01:00:41,803
energy costs, to demand on grid
for resource adequacy.

960
01:00:42,438 --> 01:00:44,438
Impacts to carbon to make sure

961
01:00:45,741 --> 01:00:48,143
we are avoiding unintended
consequences.

962
01:00:49,545 --> 01:00:52,214
Because some of this analysis
that the city had shared in

963
01:00:53,716 --> 01:00:55,716
previous discussion showed

964
01:00:57,419 --> 01:00:58,687
potential for carbon to
increase.

965
01:01:01,524 --> 01:01:03,524
at least until such time as

966
01:01:05,928 --> 01:01:07,928
pacific power was meeting hb

967
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:10,300
hb2021.

968
01:01:11,134 --> 01:01:13,134
Language also mandate that it be

969
01:01:13,769 --> 01:01:15,769
discontinued if there are

970
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,840
resource adequacy issues,

971
01:01:20,576 --> 01:01:21,843
targets not met or increases
observed.

972
01:01:23,613 --> 01:01:25,847
We know the city would be
transparent on this.

973
01:01:28,151 --> 01:01:29,985
We want to re-enforce revenue
allocation should be transparent

974
01:01:35,124 --> 01:01:37,759
to the public.
Modifications to strengthen

975
01:01:38,962 --> 01:01:40,396
ordinance avoid unintended
consequences.

976
01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:43,130
Like we said, it is very

977
01:01:43,967 --> 01:01:46,936
important to consider utility's
capacity to meet state carbon

978
01:01:50,206 --> 01:01:52,206
goals, look from a full fuel

979
01:01:54,277 --> 01:01:56,277
cycle electric and gas gas

980
01:01:57,113 --> 01:01:59,148
perspective as well.
Pacific power ability to meet

981
01:02:02,819 --> 01:02:04,819
2021 or looking electric fuel

982
01:02:04,821 --> 01:02:06,821
mix as r and g is put into our

983
01:02:06,823 --> 01:02:08,823
planning documents and shown to

984
01:02:11,761 --> 01:02:13,362
comply with cpp, we ask that be
taken into consideration when

985
01:02:13,797 --> 01:02:15,364
you are looking at incremental
carbon.

986
01:02:16,967 --> 01:02:18,967
In terms of utility system.

987
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,438
It is critical that before this
ordinance is forwarded that

988
01:02:24,708 --> 01:02:26,708
there be an analysis of winter

989
01:02:28,110 --> 01:02:30,110
peak impacts to ensure that

990
01:02:31,915 --> 01:02:34,483
displaced demand can be met by
the electric utilities.

991
01:02:36,987 --> 01:02:38,754
Keeping an eye on potential off
raches.

992
01:02:42,993 --> 01:02:44,560
The electric utilities
experience infrastructure

993
01:02:45,195 --> 01:02:47,529
constraints.
If the intent of this ordinance

994
01:02:49,232 --> 01:02:51,232
to reduce carbon, pathways for

995
01:02:54,604 --> 01:02:56,604
low efficiency electric

996
01:02:57,674 --> 01:02:59,674
equipment be eliminated.

997
01:03:00,177 --> 01:03:02,177
So in terms of exemptions.

998
01:03:04,348 --> 01:03:06,348
I'm sure a lot of folks at the

999
01:03:06,416 --> 01:03:09,352
table have feedback.
We would love to see an

1000
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,200
exemption for affordable housing

1001
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:15,625
and housing for first time home
buyers, understanding that bend

1002
01:03:17,561 --> 01:03:19,328
is struggling with housing
affordability issues.

1003
01:03:21,932 --> 01:03:23,933
I think that just as members of
the community we want to make

1004
01:03:25,136 --> 01:03:27,136
sure the folks that work in bend

1005
01:03:29,173 --> 01:03:30,940
are able to live in bend as
well.

1006
01:03:34,780 --> 01:03:36,790
Have potential delays on the
exemption for the fee.

1007
01:03:36,947 --> 01:03:39,349
If there are impacts to
development or if there is

1008
01:03:41,318 --> 01:03:44,153
delays that result from
infrastructure constraints for

1009
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,791
incremental electric demand.
Making sure infrastructure can

1010
01:03:50,628 --> 01:03:52,495
be built out to meet demand
displaced by gas.

1011
01:03:53,464 --> 01:03:55,464
If we are able to comply with

1012
01:03:56,366 --> 01:03:58,366
the climate protection program,

1013
01:03:58,936 --> 01:04:00,117
there is a risk of
of

1014
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,239
risk of redone dancy

1015
01:04:04,275 --> 01:04:06,275
in design of ordinance.

1016
01:04:06,910 --> 01:04:08,910
If we are in good faith

1017
01:04:10,815 --> 01:04:12,782
complying with cpp fee remain
dormant unless we are not able

1018
01:04:13,417 --> 01:04:15,719
to make compliance.
The other piece.

1019
01:04:17,121 --> 01:04:20,900
Gas plays a critical role in
resource adequacy.

1020
01:04:20,858 --> 01:04:22,858
Gas and electric system work

1021
01:04:23,494 --> 01:04:25,494
together very effective way.

1022
01:04:29,934 --> 01:04:32,802
We ask dual fuel and emergency
back up health and safety value

1023
01:04:37,508 --> 01:04:39,508
to homeowners to have that dual

1024
01:04:40,111 --> 01:04:41,411
fuel system except in the fee.
Reductions.

1025
01:04:43,247 --> 01:04:45,247
Backing off the incremental

1026
01:04:49,654 --> 01:04:51,654
carbon from amount of r and g in

1027
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:55,559
system through integrated
resource plan.

1028
01:04:57,962 --> 01:04:59,962
Really what we are saying is we

1029
01:05:00,131 --> 01:05:02,131
can't afford to have the fee

1030
01:05:02,533 --> 01:05:04,533
raising energy costs and carbon.

1031
01:05:05,269 --> 01:05:07,269
That just means making sure that

1032
01:05:07,472 --> 01:05:09,472
this is done the right way, that

1033
01:05:09,741 --> 01:05:11,741
the correct analysis goes into

1034
01:05:15,113 --> 01:05:17,113
the design of the ordinance and

1035
01:05:18,716 --> 01:05:20,716
that until carbon targets are

1036
01:05:20,919 --> 01:05:22,919
met, electrification targets are

1037
01:05:27,859 --> 01:05:30,694
met, this fee lie dormants.
It is not decarbonization.

1038
01:05:32,897 --> 01:05:34,198
As previous city presentations
have shown.

1039
01:05:37,436 --> 01:05:39,436
There is a risk for some path

1040
01:05:39,437 --> 01:05:41,437
ways with lower efficiency

1041
01:05:42,173 --> 01:05:44,173
equipment until the targets met

1042
01:05:45,777 --> 01:05:47,777
with 2021, carbon MAY increase.

1043
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,516
Keep that in mind.
We feel like ordinance should be

1044
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,520
delayed until 2021 can be met.

1045
01:06:00,580 --> 01:06:03,270
We want to avoid duplicate fees
by waiving charge if in
compliance with climate

1046
01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:07,630
protection and delaying

1047
01:06:07,699 --> 01:06:10,367
ordinance until hybrid study
complete.
We are glad to continue to work

1048
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,840
with the city to help forward

1049
01:06:18,343 --> 01:06:20,978
decarbonization solutions.
We appreciate the time.

1050
01:06:21,947 --> 01:06:23,947
>> that is a good transition to

1051
01:06:26,818 --> 01:06:28,652
the discussion around these two
categories, cascade gave input

1052
01:06:31,823 --> 01:06:34,525
to implementation timeline and
exception.
Cassie has a couple slides.

1053
01:06:36,361 --> 01:06:38,361
I want folks to give perspective

1054
01:06:38,764 --> 01:06:41,198
on those two things as well.
What are the things on the list

1055
01:06:42,934 --> 01:06:45,670
you you agree or disagree with?
What should the city do in these

1056
01:06:47,473 --> 01:06:49,473
two areas.

1057
01:06:49,975 --> 01:06:51,309
Cassie will get us starting with
exemptions.

1058
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440
>> two topics we are looking for

1059
01:06:56,381 --> 01:06:58,381
input on.

1060
01:07:00,953 --> 01:07:02,953
Exceptions and implementation.

1061
01:07:05,757 --> 01:07:07,250
Exemptions we have three topics
or ideas.

1062
01:07:08,727 --> 01:07:10,795
Some came up from our utility
presenters and other discussions

1063
01:07:11,897 --> 01:07:13,631
with the council or community
members.

1064
01:07:16,402 --> 01:07:17,702
The three topics we would like
feedback on.

1065
01:07:19,738 --> 01:07:21,706
Whether there should be
exemption for deed restricted

1066
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,440
affordable housing, homes with

1067
01:07:27,179 --> 01:07:29,814
dual fuel heat pumps and homes
using renewable natural gas.

1068
01:07:32,418 --> 01:07:34,418
I think conversation on

1069
01:07:34,453 --> 01:07:36,588
renewable natural gas as we
thought about this in the last

1070
01:07:37,323 --> 01:07:39,323
week.

1071
01:07:43,196 --> 01:07:45,196
It feels it MAY be challenging

1072
01:07:45,464 --> 01:07:47,464
to exempt a single home.

1073
01:07:48,734 --> 01:07:50,902
More broadly should there
becomedation for use of

1074
01:07:51,671 --> 01:07:54,339
renewable natural gas on
individual home basis or

1075
01:07:55,541 --> 01:07:57,541
potentially as cascade proposed

1076
01:07:59,450 --> 01:08:01,346
that it would be factored into
the fee equation.

1077
01:08:02,748 --> 01:08:04,748
The mix of the fee equation and

1078
01:08:06,552 --> 01:08:07,853
then it would be adjusted
system-wide.

1079
01:08:10,356 --> 01:08:12,356
Those are the three ideas.

1080
01:08:13,192 --> 01:08:15,192
Affordable housing, rng and

1081
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:19,698
other additional ideas from
round table participants.

1082
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:22,990
>> for our participants.

1083
01:08:24,203 --> 01:08:26,400
If you want to comment on these
ideas, present your own ideas

1084
01:08:27,340 --> 01:08:29,441
this is the point to get that
conversation started.

1085
01:08:30,943 --> 01:08:32,943
We have committee folks,

1086
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:35,450
affordable housing committee.

1087
01:08:35,114 --> 01:08:37,683
I can guess what you might want
to say.

1088
01:08:38,217 --> 01:08:40,217
Whoever wants to start us off.

1089
01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:42,620
We are gathering information.

1090
01:08:44,324 --> 01:08:45,690
We are all respectful of every
one's position.

1091
01:08:46,859 --> 01:08:48,859
We want to hear conflicting

1092
01:08:49,262 --> 01:08:51,262
positions how to deliberator on

1093
01:08:52,432 --> 01:08:54,866
this to be pick.
Garrett, kick us off.

1094
01:08:57,704 --> 01:09:00,406
>> deed restricted affordable
housing look at ami target

1095
01:09:01,674 --> 01:09:03,674
knowing bend's housing crisis is

1096
01:09:04,978 --> 01:09:06,978
around the entire.

1097
01:09:09,783 --> 01:09:11,783
I am throwing that out there for

1098
01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:15,454
consideration.
>> other thoughts?

1099
01:09:17,824 --> 01:09:19,824
No, we shouldn't have

1100
01:09:21,961 --> 01:09:24,530
have the
exemptions.

1101
01:09:26,499 --> 01:09:29,401
We want to hear it all.
>> mandy.
>> the affordable housing

1102
01:09:31,738 --> 01:09:33,907
committee does want an exemption
for deed restricted affordable

1103
01:09:33,907 --> 01:09:35,907
housing.

1104
01:09:38,144 --> 01:09:40,144
I would agree with garrett that

1105
01:09:40,347 --> 01:09:43,215
maybe we should extend that just
because we do have a problem

1106
01:09:45,252 --> 01:09:47,252
with our middle housing as

1107
01:09:48,555 --> 01:09:49,889
well-being more affordable in
bend.

1108
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,159
>> can you both expand?

1109
01:09:54,194 --> 01:09:56,194
Quantify what you mean by middle

1110
01:09:57,130 --> 01:09:59,130
housing what that looks like.

1111
01:09:59,433 --> 01:10:01,000
>> I will throw it up there 120%
is our preference.

1112
01:10:04,171 --> 01:10:06,171
Open to conversation on that.

1113
01:10:06,973 --> 01:10:09,800
>> that is online with what we
end up with as well.

1114
01:10:09,343 --> 01:10:11,343
>> other thoughts?

1115
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,140
I know people have them.
>> general question.

1116
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:18,550
Are we talking about what could

1117
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:21,850
be done with the fee if there is

1118
01:10:22,789 --> 01:10:24,757
a fee imposed to help offset
that?

1119
01:10:25,192 --> 01:10:28,270
>> not today.
Revenue is going to be spent

1120
01:10:28,929 --> 01:10:30,929
that is a separate conversation.

1121
01:10:30,998 --> 01:10:32,998
If that helps you think about

1122
01:10:34,468 --> 01:10:36,936
the exemption feel free
free to

1123
01:10:37,437 --> 01:10:39,437
expand on that.

1124
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,640
>> environment and climate

1125
01:10:43,344 --> 01:10:45,913
committee supports exemption
deed restricted affordable

1126
01:10:45,913 --> 01:10:48,282
housing.
Most is all electric.

1127
01:10:48,282 --> 01:10:50,282
This

1128
01:10:51,485 --> 01:10:53,485
this is a signal from ecc to

1129
01:10:53,854 --> 01:10:55,854
remove barriers to affordable

1130
01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:58,190
housing as bend needs more.

1131
01:11:00,561 --> 01:11:03,396
I can go down the list for dual
fuel equipment.

1132
01:11:04,598 --> 01:11:06,598
Ecc does not support exemption.

1133
01:11:07,535 --> 01:11:10,203
We support fee reduction for
mixed fuel heating systems.

1134
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:13,907
We think adding heat pump should
be acknowledged.

1135
01:11:18,679 --> 01:11:20,679
We don't want to create loophole

1136
01:11:21,549 --> 01:11:23,549
where you don't pay a fee.

1137
01:11:25,219 --> 01:11:28,122
You can adjust settings so gas
kicks in at 50
.

1138
01:11:28,122 --> 01:11:30,122
That would be a gas system.

1139
01:11:32,590 --> 01:11:34,594
We want to have the rate be
conservative reflecting

1140
01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:37,290
continued gas use and

1141
01:11:38,232 --> 01:11:40,299
recognizing the contribution of
electric heat pump.

1142
01:11:43,337 --> 01:11:45,337
In terms of rng we do not

1143
01:11:45,406 --> 01:11:47,741
support exemption or reduction
for rng.

1144
01:11:50,811 --> 01:11:53,647
It is simply injected into the
gas apply with other fuels.

1145
01:11:56,384 --> 01:11:58,618
Rng is important and useful.
It should be prioritized for

1146
01:12:00,888 --> 01:12:02,888
more hard to electrify sectors

1147
01:12:03,724 --> 01:12:05,726
such as heavy industry and
transportation and not

1148
01:12:06,494 --> 01:12:08,494
residential buildings that are

1149
01:12:09,397 --> 01:12:12,299
easier to electrify.
>> all right.

1150
01:12:13,267 --> 01:12:14,468
Other thoughts?
Sarah.

1151
01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:17,770
>> I guess I was going to second

1152
01:12:19,507 --> 01:12:21,507
the comment around ami level

1153
01:12:22,343 --> 01:12:24,343
also 80 and 120 from chamber

1154
01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:27,614
perspective work force housing
band is important to focus on.

1155
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:30,149
One other thing we are talking

1156
01:12:30,985 --> 01:12:32,985
about and this is not pertaining

1157
01:12:33,521 --> 01:12:35,521
to multi-family per se defining

1158
01:12:36,558 --> 01:12:38,558
what that looks like because in

1159
01:12:44,532 --> 01:12:46,532
some instances like quad or

1160
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,680
duplex or quadplex.

1161
01:12:49,237 --> 01:12:51,237
What that looks

1162
01:12:52,774 --> 01:12:55,642
looks like to ensure
builders are aware of that.

1163
01:12:58,790 --> 01:13:00,790
>> when we talked about the fee

1164
01:13:00,248 --> 01:13:02,248
not applying to large

1165
01:13:02,584 --> 01:13:04,218
multi-family developments.
Is there ability to be clear in

1166
01:13:06,488 --> 01:13:08,889
our code what that means and
what this would apply to?

1167
01:13:09,424 --> 01:13:11,424
>> it is something we plan to

1168
01:13:12,494 --> 01:13:14,828
bring to the council on APRIL 22
because that question.

1169
01:13:15,130 --> 01:13:17,130
we have heard from the council

1170
01:13:17,966 --> 01:13:19,633
we don't want to apply to
multi-family.

1171
01:13:20,936 --> 01:13:23,904
Where is that cut off?
We entered discussions with

1172
01:13:26,408 --> 01:13:29,143
staff this week to define those.
We will talk about it with the
council.

1173
01:13:29,344 --> 01:13:31,344
I would rather wait.

1174
01:13:35,484 --> 01:13:37,484
We are actively discussing it.

1175
01:13:37,519 --> 01:13:39,519
I would like to wait.

1176
01:13:39,755 --> 01:13:41,288
>> they are flagging for
clarity.

1177
01:13:42,924 --> 01:13:44,924
>> in the definitions what the

1178
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,396
code is applicable to where that
would be defined and we will

1179
01:13:48,697 --> 01:13:50,697
include that in the discussion

1180
01:13:52,768 --> 01:13:54,769
on the 22nd.
>> scott.

1181
01:13:54,903 --> 01:13:56,903
>> thanks.

1182
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,942
Human rights commission would
support deed restricted

1183
01:14:01,476 --> 01:14:03,476
affordable housing exemption

1184
01:14:03,979 --> 01:14:06,180
along with affordable housing
advisory committee recognizing

1185
01:14:07,816 --> 01:14:09,816
to be fair and equitable with

1186
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,120
that middle range up to 120%.

1187
01:14:13,489 --> 01:14:16,457
Just wanted to emphasize that
from our perspective.

1188
01:14:21,463 --> 01:14:23,463
Thank you.

1189
01:14:27,703 --> 01:14:29,703
>> go ahead.

1190
01:14:29,805 --> 01:14:31,805
>> affordable housing.

1191
01:14:32,741 --> 01:14:34,741
We think the vast majority of

1192
01:14:36,145 --> 01:14:38,145
affordable housing is already

1193
01:14:38,213 --> 01:14:41,182
all electric or multi-family
that is do nothing addition to

1194
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:43,750
the policy.

1195
01:14:46,388 --> 01:14:48,389
From my perspective the looming
equity issue I see around

1196
01:14:49,258 --> 01:14:51,258
expanding fossil-fuel network

1197
01:14:52,328 --> 01:14:54,328
and this is in the oregon state

1198
01:14:55,764 --> 01:14:57,764
energy strategy.

1199
01:14:58,367 --> 01:15:00,367
Risks of having gas asset and

1200
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,272
having homeowner middle or low
income or renter sadeled with

1201
01:15:04,807 --> 01:15:06,807
getting gas out of the house

1202
01:15:08,978 --> 01:15:10,712
that is equity crisis on the
horizon.

1203
01:15:13,582 --> 01:15:14,849
Anything to reduce fossil fuel
expansion.

1204
01:15:15,952 --> 01:15:18,920
two-thirdses gas bill today are
maintenance and that is not
going away.

1205
01:15:20,623 --> 01:15:22,623
It is important we neat goals

1206
01:15:23,993 --> 01:15:25,993
today.

1207
01:15:27,363 --> 01:15:29,363
I want everybody to be cognizant

1208
01:15:30,266 --> 01:15:31,933
the more we build out the
fossil-fuel.

1209
01:15:34,337 --> 01:15:36,337
More we take to electric fiit is

1210
01:15:39,776 --> 01:15:41,776
going to disproportionately hit

1211
01:15:42,311 --> 01:15:44,613
people least able to deal with
that.

1212
01:15:46,616 --> 01:15:48,784
Multi fuel equipment cascade
pilot is good example.

1213
01:15:51,287 --> 01:15:53,287
There are many combinations dual

1214
01:15:55,791 --> 01:15:57,791
fuel house.

1215
01:15:58,528 --> 01:16:00,528
Different heat pumps.

1216
01:16:00,830 --> 01:16:03,598
Set points tweaked differently
by different renters.

1217
01:16:04,767 --> 01:16:06,767
The range of outcomes is huge.

1218
01:16:09,306 --> 01:16:10,872
As city is considering that, be
conservative and realistic.

1219
01:16:11,741 --> 01:16:13,741
Not every house is switching

1220
01:16:15,111 --> 01:16:16,311
from gas to electric at 35
.

1221
01:16:18,147 --> 01:16:21,490
Realistic carbon benefit is more
marginal when we think in

1222
01:16:25,756 --> 01:16:28,624
practice how dual fuel systems
are rolled out.
Renewable natural gas.

1223
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:34,950
Last time I was at industry

1224
01:16:35,832 --> 01:16:38,330
conference in nashville we had
lunch or dinner with three

1225
01:16:38,134 --> 01:16:40,570
separate clients.
They were all talking about a

1226
01:16:40,570 --> 01:16:42,570
cool project.

1227
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,240
It was not the same project.

1228
01:16:46,776 --> 01:16:48,776
I would expect gas utilities

1229
01:16:48,845 --> 01:16:51,460
looking at the small pool of
available projects.

1230
01:16:54,170 --> 01:16:56,170
We shouldn't be hedging bets

1231
01:16:57,287 --> 01:16:59,287
that cascade will meet all

1232
01:16:59,789 --> 01:17:00,990
compliance goals through rng
alone.

1233
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,294
Public utility commission has
not acknowledge would long-range

1234
01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:08,930
planning to comply with cpp.

1235
01:17:11,134 --> 01:17:12,968
City of bend should be cognizant
of that.

1236
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:16,205
>> allen for your long-range
plan.

1237
01:17:17,700 --> 01:17:19,700
When do you think that will go

1238
01:17:19,309 --> 01:17:21,309
through the process and be

1239
01:17:22,579 --> 01:17:24,579
complete for you and your plans?

1240
01:17:26,830 --> 01:17:28,830
>> I might defer to my colleague

1241
01:17:32,523 --> 01:17:34,523
on that.

1242
01:17:34,691 --> 01:17:36,259
>> context when you say
commission recognition.

1243
01:17:39,129 --> 01:17:41,129
Can you clarify how you view

1244
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,320
that?

1245
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,769
>> cascade was making
insufficient supporting

1246
01:17:48,172 --> 01:17:50,172
assumptions about cost.

1247
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:53,709
They do not think cost

1248
01:17:54,211 --> 01:17:56,211
assumptions are realistically

1249
01:17:58,820 --> 01:18:00,820
guaranteeing low rates.

1250
01:18:00,684 --> 01:18:02,684
How does cascade resolve that if

1251
01:18:06,991 --> 01:18:09,859
it is 90% of compliance
portfolio?

1252
01:18:15,766 --> 01:18:17,935
>> that is a specific question.
>> what I am looking for is

1253
01:18:17,935 --> 01:18:19,935
timelines.

1254
01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:22,372
That is what we are talking
about today.

1255
01:18:24,208 --> 01:18:26,643
Implementation timelines.
When is pacific power going to

1256
01:18:26,944 --> 01:18:29,450
comply?
Timelines for you all.

1257
01:18:30,347 --> 01:18:32,749
We know there are specific
places and back and forth.

1258
01:18:35,586 --> 01:18:37,220
What is the expectation when we
get to the point where you have

1259
01:18:39,123 --> 01:18:41,123
a plan that is the thing you are

1260
01:18:41,225 --> 01:18:43,225
implementing?

1261
01:18:43,494 --> 01:18:45,494
>> absolutely.

1262
01:18:47,765 --> 01:18:50,134
Best cost options of rng.
Timeline I can't speak to that

1263
01:18:50,134 --> 01:18:53,360
todays.
I will be glad to follow up with

1264
01:18:53,671 --> 01:18:56,539
the city with more detail.
What I will say the projects

1265
01:18:58,476 --> 01:19:00,476
that we are discussing today.

1266
01:19:00,978 --> 01:19:02,646
There are three that are fully
operational right now.

1267
01:19:04,916 --> 01:19:06,916
It is more than hypothetical.

1268
01:19:07,552 --> 01:19:09,552
In terms how that is going to be

1269
01:19:10,721 --> 01:19:12,823
utilized for cpp compliance we
continue to have those

1270
01:19:13,691 --> 01:19:16,660
conversations with regulators.
If it is a priority of

1271
01:19:17,495 --> 01:19:19,495
communities that is for

1272
01:19:19,664 --> 01:19:21,999
compliance that is something we
would take back to integrated

1273
01:19:23,634 --> 01:19:25,634
resource planning team.

1274
01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:27,870
We would start that conversation

1275
01:19:28,139 --> 01:19:30,139
to work with the city to

1276
01:19:32,944 --> 01:19:34,944
incorporate that in a way that

1277
01:19:37,150 --> 01:19:39,850
is satisfactory to the city and
regulators.
We would be happy to continue

1278
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,840
those discussions.

1279
01:19:44,789 --> 01:19:46,523
>> for councilors to gather
information.

1280
01:19:47,292 --> 01:19:49,292
We are not at the same level

1281
01:19:49,594 --> 01:19:51,594
many of you are.

1282
01:19:53,198 --> 01:19:55,198
When you talk in acronyms, I ask

1283
01:19:55,266 --> 01:19:58,203
that you take it on a level we
can understand.

1284
01:19:58,203 --> 01:20:00,203
>> I apologize.

1285
01:20:04,242 --> 01:20:06,242
>> that is okay.

1286
01:20:07,211 --> 01:20:08,845
We haven't heard from david or
john.

1287
01:20:10,148 --> 01:20:12,148
You don't have to if there is

1288
01:20:12,751 --> 01:20:14,751
anything to add.

1289
01:20:16,821 --> 01:20:18,821
>> I will go ahead.

1290
01:20:19,624 --> 01:20:21,992
Local 290 would support deed
restriction for affordable

1291
01:20:22,427 --> 01:20:24,427
housing.

1292
01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:28,364
120 ami.

1293
01:20:29,401 --> 01:20:31,401
Obviously we are in full support

1294
01:20:32,637 --> 01:20:34,637
homes with dual fuel equipment.

1295
01:20:34,806 --> 01:20:37,775
I have had it in my homes in
central oregon since 2002.

1296
01:20:39,277 --> 01:20:41,712
They work great.
They both supply when the

1297
01:20:44,115 --> 01:20:46,115
temperatures are low and gas can

1298
01:20:47,753 --> 01:20:49,620
make up that difference.
When the heat pumps can't.

1299
01:20:50,154 --> 01:20:51,489
They work very well in this
climate.

1300
01:20:53,525 --> 01:20:56,294
That is something that needs to
be thought of, too.

1301
01:21:00,232 --> 01:21:02,232
Dual fuel projects like that are

1302
01:21:02,601 --> 01:21:04,601
different in different climate.

1303
01:21:05,704 --> 01:21:07,704
This climate supports the good

1304
01:21:08,707 --> 01:21:10,707
dual fuel program.

1305
01:21:10,742 --> 01:21:12,742
Mild climates not so much.

1306
01:21:13,946 --> 01:21:15,946
We have pretty decent winters,

1307
01:21:17,116 --> 01:21:19,116
not this year.

1308
01:21:19,318 --> 01:21:20,751
Renewable natural gas we support
100%.

1309
01:21:22,488 --> 01:21:24,488
To think in the future to add to

1310
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:27,859
that just because technologies
change and things change.

1311
01:21:28,927 --> 01:21:30,927
What might be available changes

1312
01:21:34,833 --> 01:21:36,833
is there might be hydrogen mix

1313
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:39,669
in natural gas to do the same

1314
01:21:41,173 --> 01:21:43,173
thing to reduce carbon of the

1315
01:21:43,709 --> 01:21:46,344
gas.
>> john.
>> can we go back.

1316
01:21:47,746 --> 01:21:49,746
There was a stat about the

1317
01:21:51,250 --> 01:21:53,250
impact of carbon from cascade

1318
01:21:53,752 --> 01:21:55,752
natural gas presented that

1319
01:21:56,488 --> 01:21:58,488
showed that 15% emissions from

1320
01:21:59,658 --> 01:22:02,427
natural gas versus 29% from
electricity.

1321
01:22:04,163 --> 01:22:06,163
Can you help us understand that?

1322
01:22:07,133 --> 01:22:09,133
It makes it stand like the

1323
01:22:09,435 --> 01:22:11,435
impact of electricity has twice

1324
01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:19,100
the carbon outputna natural gas
is that twice supply coming from

1325
01:22:22,415 --> 01:22:25,116
electricity versus natural gas?
How do we understand.

1326
01:22:26,252 --> 01:22:29,220
>> I will share sources for the
study to provide more
information.

1327
01:22:30,623 --> 01:22:32,623
Some of it does pertain to

1328
01:22:33,260 --> 01:22:35,260
scaling the delivery of gas

1329
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:38,950
versus delivery of electricity

1330
01:22:40,232 --> 01:22:43,100
looking at the fuel mix of the
electric system today.

1331
01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:45,970
Looking at the direct use of

1332
01:22:48,141 --> 01:22:50,141
natural gas versus the use of

1333
01:22:50,309 --> 01:22:51,610
nonrenewable energy for electric
generation.

1334
01:22:52,612 --> 01:22:54,813
There are multiple factors that
go into that.

1335
01:22:55,782 --> 01:22:57,782
I would be very happy to make

1336
01:22:57,984 --> 01:22:59,984
sure -- there is a link to the

1337
01:23:01,521 --> 01:23:04,356
source on the slides now up on
the city website.

1338
01:23:06,259 --> 01:23:08,259
>> in the deq study from oregon.

1339
01:23:08,661 --> 01:23:11,396
Good question.
>> I guess that's still trying

1340
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,100
to process what you are saying.
However, I guess in terms what

1341
01:23:18,404 --> 01:23:20,404
is asked in exemptions here.

1342
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:26,545
Conversations at bdad support
exemptions around deed

1343
01:23:27,146 --> 01:23:29,146
restricted affordable housing we

1344
01:23:29,649 --> 01:23:31,649
believe the housing crisis is

1345
01:23:32,452 --> 01:23:34,452
real and we want to support ways

1346
01:23:34,821 --> 01:23:37,123
to offset that impact to
homeowners.

1347
01:23:38,291 --> 01:23:40,291
We support continuing to do

1348
01:23:40,293 --> 01:23:42,294
projects dual fuel proof of
concept.

1349
01:23:43,563 --> 01:23:45,563
There needs to be more data to

1350
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:49,340
support the fee structure and
outcomes that that ultimately

1351
01:23:50,336 --> 01:23:52,336
gets passed to the home owners.

1352
01:23:54,474 --> 01:23:56,474
Those are the discussions we

1353
01:23:58,745 --> 01:24:00,790
have.
>> garrett.

1354
01:24:01,381 --> 01:24:03,381
>> there is a lot of action at

1355
01:24:03,683 --> 01:24:05,683
the state to reduce fears to

1356
01:24:06,987 --> 01:24:08,987
building certain housing types,

1357
01:24:09,923 --> 01:24:12,224
condos in the triplex, fourplex
and beyond.

1358
01:24:12,759 --> 01:24:15,728
Maybe consideration for
exemptions to hold off on those

1359
01:24:17,664 --> 01:24:19,866
housing types to begin with to
let progress play out to see if

1360
01:24:21,735 --> 01:24:23,735
we can bring to market rather

1361
01:24:24,370 --> 01:24:25,337
than adding hurdle to
development.

1362
01:24:26,973 --> 01:24:28,841
>> something to separate by
housing types.

1363
01:24:29,943 --> 01:24:31,943
Other thoughts on exemptions.

1364
01:24:32,212 --> 01:24:34,212
If you think of one later we

1365
01:24:35,182 --> 01:24:36,382
will come back to you.
Sarah.

1366
01:24:37,851 --> 01:24:39,851
>> a couple comments about the

1367
01:24:41,755 --> 01:24:43,956
stranded asset for exemptions of
ami's of housing.

1368
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,495
All homes will be dual fuel.
Infrastructure will be laid for

1369
01:24:50,970 --> 01:24:52,970
gas and electricity because of

1370
01:24:52,990 --> 01:24:54,990
the nature of the choice issue.

1371
01:24:58,539 --> 01:25:00,606
I think that eliminates concept
of stranded asset.

1372
01:25:02,576 --> 01:25:04,576
Think about this broadly when we

1373
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,480
think about what that ami
exemption would look like.
>> thank you.

1374
01:25:11,418 --> 01:25:13,850
I think to make sure we are
grounding for anyone watching.

1375
01:25:14,488 --> 01:25:16,488
We are talking about one time

1376
01:25:17,825 --> 01:25:19,825
fee at beginning of new

1377
01:25:22,162 --> 01:25:24,162
construction.

1378
01:25:25,432 --> 01:25:27,100
These exemptions at time of new
construction.

1379
01:25:29,503 --> 01:25:31,503
Final thoughts on exemptions

1380
01:25:34,241 --> 01:25:36,542
before implementation timeline.
Robin.

1381
01:25:40,781 --> 01:25:42,781
>> I wanted to add that ecc only

1382
01:25:43,951 --> 01:25:45,951
supports one exemption deed

1383
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,220
restricted affordable housing.
We want to limit exemption.

1384
01:25:51,326 --> 01:25:53,326
Every exemption reduces

1385
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,360
emissions that this has.

1386
01:25:55,663 --> 01:25:57,663
Every exemption adds

1387
01:25:58,299 --> 01:26:00,299
administrative burden to the

1388
01:26:01,569 --> 01:26:04,400
policy, additional tracking,
calculations, enforcement.

1389
01:26:05,740 --> 01:26:08,275
We have had 20% of the snowpack
in deschutes.

1390
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:11,110
We need more climate action now.

1391
01:26:11,846 --> 01:26:13,947
Those exemptions limit impact of
the policy.

1392
01:26:15,316 --> 01:26:17,316
We advocate for less exemptions.

1393
01:26:20,855 --> 01:26:22,855
>> thank you for that.

1394
01:26:23,357 --> 01:26:25,357
>> one consideration not voiced

1395
01:26:26,227 --> 01:26:28,227
is winter heating via electric

1396
01:26:28,963 --> 01:26:31,465
is more demand than summer.
If there are developments that

1397
01:26:34,436 --> 01:26:36,436
cannot meet that incremental

1398
01:26:37,472 --> 01:26:39,472
development that regards large

1399
01:26:40,808 --> 01:26:42,808
upgrades by electric utilities

1400
01:26:42,844 --> 01:26:44,844
they would penalize and delay

1401
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,880
while that infrastructure is

1402
01:26:48,549 --> 01:26:50,549
built out gas resource adequacy

1403
01:26:51,853 --> 01:26:54,221
to mead that and get that up and
running sooner.
>> final thought?

1404
01:26:58,226 --> 01:27:00,226
>> I had other ideas.

1405
01:27:00,595 --> 01:27:02,595
>> any home that has natural gas

1406
01:27:04,933 --> 01:27:07,202
that is going to include solar.
Put an exemption on home that

1407
01:27:07,202 --> 01:27:09,202
has that.

1408
01:27:10,605 --> 01:27:12,605
Another one could be any home

1409
01:27:15,443 --> 01:27:18,178
that for the future behind every
appliance has both gas and
electric.

1410
01:27:18,913 --> 01:27:20,913
What they choose now can be

1411
01:27:21,182 --> 01:27:23,784
whatever service they want.
It could be changed at any
point.

1412
01:27:26,187 --> 01:27:28,187
Not extra cost down the road.

1413
01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:30,490
it is already available and

1414
01:27:30,659 --> 01:27:33,527
built into the home.
>> thoughts on those ideas?

1415
01:27:34,396 --> 01:27:37,332
>> one thing on solar.
Ecc we touched on that in our

1416
01:27:37,332 --> 01:27:39,332
last meeting.

1417
01:27:40,636 --> 01:27:42,636
If we want to add solar to the

1418
01:27:42,938 --> 01:27:45,873
conversation we don't want
exemption but reduced fee in
calculation.

1419
01:27:46,341 --> 01:27:48,341
That would be based on the size

1420
01:27:48,844 --> 01:27:50,611
of the system and size of the
house.

1421
01:27:54,316 --> 01:27:56,316
As we know with the grid being

1422
01:27:56,618 --> 01:27:58,618
dirty, these local renewable

1423
01:27:58,820 --> 01:28:00,820
emissions could really support

1424
01:28:01,123 --> 01:28:03,123
to make that grid cleaner.

1425
01:28:03,392 --> 01:28:06,160
We don't want it as exemption.
You could have one panel on your

1426
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:08,562
home and that would eliminate
the fee.

1427
01:28:10,165 --> 01:28:13,134
We want to acknowledge addition
of solar because we think it is

1428
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:16,870
an important part of this

1429
01:28:17,639 --> 01:28:20,341
conversation, a reduction.
>> brennan.

1430
01:28:22,511 --> 01:28:24,511
>> reiterate robin's point as

1431
01:28:25,347 --> 01:28:27,347
well and when we consider

1432
01:28:27,883 --> 01:28:29,883
exemptions look in totality.

1433
01:28:30,286 --> 01:28:32,920
What can realistically be
administered by a team of two in

1434
01:28:32,988 --> 01:28:35,756
the city.
Back to sarah's point.

1435
01:28:42,231 --> 01:28:44,231
I want to push back on the idea

1436
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:48,569
stranded assets are a stranded
issue.

1437
01:28:49,738 --> 01:28:51,738
Affordable single family housing

1438
01:28:52,274 --> 01:28:54,274
built all electric in bend and

1439
01:28:54,710 --> 01:28:57,645
sisters and many others.
Good proof of concept gas is

1440
01:28:58,514 --> 01:29:00,948
only utility you don't need to
live in a house.

1441
01:29:01,350 --> 01:29:03,985
>> thank you.
Final thoughts on exemptions

1442
01:29:05,755 --> 01:29:07,755
before implementation?

1443
01:29:08,257 --> 01:29:10,257
>> to echo sarah's point.

1444
01:29:10,559 --> 01:29:12,961
In talking to builders how fee
is per equipment.

1445
01:29:13,495 --> 01:29:15,495
All infrastructure is brought

1446
01:29:15,598 --> 01:29:17,598
out to new construction gas and

1447
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,000
electric to convert in the

1448
01:29:22,171 --> 01:29:24,171
future so we don't run into risk

1449
01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:25,974
of stranded asset.
>> allen.

1450
01:29:27,443 --> 01:29:28,943
To the point of limited staff to
administer this.

1451
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,479
That is why and talking about

1452
01:29:34,183 --> 01:29:37,152
the fuel mix today not being
decarbonized on electric tsai.

1453
01:29:40,890 --> 01:29:42,890
That is why it is important to

1454
01:29:47,396 --> 01:29:49,396
have this fee lie dormant until

1455
01:29:51,467 --> 01:29:53,467
the carbon intentionally of

1456
01:29:53,969 --> 01:29:55,237
electricity and gas when that
switches.

1457
01:29:57,273 --> 01:30:00,242
Then the fee can take effect.
>> next topic.

1458
01:30:02,211 --> 01:30:04,412
When should this be in effect.
Timeline, considerations there

1459
01:30:05,715 --> 01:30:07,715
which you have given us in your

1460
01:30:09,452 --> 01:30:11,452
presentation which I took notes

1461
01:30:11,621 --> 01:30:13,889
on.
>> implementation timeline

1462
01:30:15,124 --> 01:30:17,124
looking for feedback on

1463
01:30:17,794 --> 01:30:19,361
effective date of fee.
Starting point date we would

1464
01:30:21,164 --> 01:30:24,660
like to put out would go into
effect JANUARY 1, 2028.

1465
01:30:26,169 --> 01:30:28,169
Some of the things that we

1466
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,108
thought of when we were thinking
about appropriate timeline.

1467
01:30:33,643 --> 01:30:35,643
Pacific power's compliance for

1468
01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:38,279
house bill 2021.

1469
01:30:39,649 --> 01:30:41,649
Part was based on understanding

1470
01:30:42,952 --> 01:30:44,952
that pacific power has rfp open

1471
01:30:45,255 --> 01:30:47,255
this year that might take to

1472
01:30:48,525 --> 01:30:50,727
ends of year for costs to give
information about compliance

1473
01:30:50,727 --> 01:30:52,727
timelines.

1474
01:30:54,164 --> 01:30:56,465
We might get information sooner.
That is interesting

1475
01:30:57,901 --> 01:30:59,901
consideration.

1476
01:31:07,377 --> 01:31:09,645
Another one is ideas
implementation of OCTOBER 2026

1477
01:31:16,486 --> 01:31:19,221
that becomes mandatory APRIL of
2027 legislative session next
year.

1478
01:31:20,857 --> 01:31:22,857
We did hear from pacific power

1479
01:31:24,694 --> 01:31:26,694
today there is potential rumors

1480
01:31:29,433 --> 01:31:31,433
of changes to greenhouse gas

1481
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,305
bill 2021 which would have
significant impact on how fee is

1482
01:31:35,305 --> 01:31:37,840
calculated.
Anything in the legislative

1483
01:31:40,343 --> 01:31:43,790
session we need time to
accommodate.

1484
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:48,149
>> this is the starting place.

1485
01:31:48,452 --> 01:31:50,687
Happy to hear about the timeline
or other considerations.

1486
01:31:50,687 --> 01:31:52,956
Thinking about the
the things and

1487
01:31:53,490 --> 01:31:55,257
when the fee should be in
effect.

1488
01:31:55,559 --> 01:31:57,559
Our next topic.

1489
01:31:59,463 --> 01:32:01,463
I want to acknowledge 5:30 P.M.

1490
01:32:01,999 --> 01:32:03,232
If not done at 6:00 we will keep
going.

1491
01:32:05,402 --> 01:32:08,170
If you can stay, that is great.
If you have to leave at 6:00

1492
01:32:11,542 --> 01:32:13,542
tell me so I can call on you.

1493
01:32:15,779 --> 01:32:18,114
Who wants to kickoff on
implementation ideas or

1494
01:32:24,888 --> 01:32:26,990
thoughts.
>> pacific power does not have
timeline.

1495
01:32:28,859 --> 01:32:30,859
We will keep staff and council

1496
01:32:32,363 --> 01:32:35,231
appraised of changes in the
regulatory compliance and go

1497
01:32:36,734 --> 01:32:38,969
over anything in the legislative
session to impact gas emissions

1498
01:32:38,969 --> 01:32:40,969
for us.

1499
01:32:41,305 --> 01:32:43,305
>> thank you for that.

1500
01:32:44,508 --> 01:32:46,508
>> I think my thought would be

1501
01:32:47,545 --> 01:32:49,545
that if I believe council's

1502
01:32:49,947 --> 01:32:51,947
intent is to reduce carbon,

1503
01:32:53,951 --> 01:32:55,951
right, in the city?

1504
01:32:55,953 --> 01:32:58,922
Until pacific power gets to
where they reduce emissions.

1505
01:33:00,758 --> 01:33:02,959
They say they can meet that goal
around 2029 or 30.

1506
01:33:05,763 --> 01:33:07,763
I ask it be pushed out until

1507
01:33:10,401 --> 01:33:12,401
2029 or 30 medical

1508
01:33:17,174 --> 01:33:19,376
30 or until they prove
they met that goal.

1509
01:33:20,645 --> 01:33:23,413
>> we are wants to participate
in the pilot program.

1510
01:33:24,482 --> 01:33:26,482
I would love to have that play

1511
01:33:26,884 --> 01:33:29,653
out, study data prior to fee
being imposed.

1512
01:33:31,422 --> 01:33:33,290
Happy to get into more depth
what we envision from pilot.

1513
01:33:34,892 --> 01:33:37,861
we haven't had chance to do that
in two minutes to council.

1514
01:33:44,201 --> 01:33:46,736
Open to questions.
>> policymaking is not perfect.

1515
01:33:47,806 --> 01:33:50,774
We are never going to make
decisions in a vacuum.

1516
01:33:52,610 --> 01:33:54,610
If it is ongoing pilot or pilot

1517
01:33:56,247 --> 01:33:58,247
that might happen in the future,

1518
01:33:58,349 --> 01:34:00,349
hb2021 or climate protection or

1519
01:34:01,986 --> 01:34:03,720
building code update or
speculation on legislative

1520
01:34:05,890 --> 01:34:07,457
session or new federal
administration.

1521
01:34:08,493 --> 01:34:10,394
Something dynamic that is nature
of the things.

1522
01:34:11,496 --> 01:34:13,496
At some point we have to stop

1523
01:34:13,565 --> 01:34:15,565
collecting data and do something

1524
01:34:19,370 --> 01:34:20,471
because we are in a vacuuming of
leadership.

1525
01:34:22,407 --> 01:34:24,407
We are backsliding since the

1526
01:34:25,276 --> 01:34:27,276
first inventory.

1527
01:34:27,779 --> 01:34:28,959
Bend admissions have gone up
20%.

1528
01:34:33,885 --> 01:34:35,452
We are headed for bad wildfire
season.

1529
01:34:36,855 --> 01:34:38,222
We have to just try something at
some point.

1530
01:34:40,692 --> 01:34:43,395
This is already a very modest
option.

1531
01:34:43,395 --> 01:34:45,395
Originally the restriction was

1532
01:34:45,730 --> 01:34:47,730
on the table.

1533
01:34:47,799 --> 01:34:49,799
It is scaled back the level of

1534
01:34:50,435 --> 01:34:52,435
action because of concerns from

1535
01:34:54,139 --> 01:34:55,773
affordable housing and economic
development.

1536
01:34:57,542 --> 01:34:59,542
We need to remember climate

1537
01:35:01,460 --> 01:35:03,460
action is being go stewards of

1538
01:35:03,448 --> 01:35:05,448
environment be with healthy air.

1539
01:35:06,618 --> 01:35:09,587
That makes bend economically
viable.
We need to try something and

1540
01:35:09,988 --> 01:35:12,656
check in on policy.
That is good development.

1541
01:35:14,726 --> 01:35:16,726
We think the city should do that

1542
01:35:18,130 --> 01:35:19,897
to make sure it is not having
unintended consequences.

1543
01:35:20,832 --> 01:35:22,832
Some are wrong and useful.

1544
01:35:24,335 --> 01:35:27,710
We need to try to collect real
data and tweak things down the

1545
01:35:28,206 --> 01:35:31,175
road.
april 2027.
>> what day.

1546
01:35:31,376 --> 01:35:33,376
>> in line with the building

1547
01:35:33,578 --> 01:35:35,578
codes update for developers to

1548
01:35:38,283 --> 01:35:40,283
have single compliance calendar.

1549
01:35:41,987 --> 01:35:43,987
>> ecc recommends start day JULY 1, 2027.

1550
01:35:44,389 --> 01:35:46,389
We do not think we should wait

1551
01:35:49,628 --> 01:35:51,962
until JANUARY 1, 2028 primarily
due to speculation of
legislative session.

1552
01:35:53,599 --> 01:35:55,599
If anything comes up in that

1553
01:35:56,101 --> 01:35:58,101
legislative session we could

1554
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,375
delay and amend as needed.
We need climate action now.

1555
01:36:05,311 --> 01:36:07,746
I want to note based on, david,
your point.

1556
01:36:09,114 --> 01:36:11,348
These appliances can last up to
20 years.

1557
01:36:14,286 --> 01:36:16,789
If we install electric now or
gas now, those will last for 20

1558
01:36:16,789 --> 01:36:18,789
years.

1559
01:36:26,432 --> 01:36:27,999
In that 20 year lifespan we are
assuming pacific power could

1560
01:36:28,767 --> 01:36:30,767
change drastically.

1561
01:36:31,971 --> 01:36:33,971
We want to build smart from the

1562
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:36,440
start knowing these systems last

1563
01:36:36,442 --> 01:36:38,442
quite awhile.

1564
01:36:39,145 --> 01:36:41,579
>> sarah.
>> we would land with garrett

1565
01:36:43,116 --> 01:36:44,316
and the conversations around the
pilot.

1566
01:36:46,386 --> 01:36:49,200
When I look at forming opinion
on implementation of this.

1567
01:36:52,458 --> 01:36:54,458
I think about north star housing

1568
01:36:54,894 --> 01:36:57,262
affordabilities.
53% of the people working in

1569
01:36:57,363 --> 01:36:59,363
bend don't live in bend.

1570
01:36:59,666 --> 01:37:01,967
That is something we need to do
something about.

1571
01:37:04,300 --> 01:37:06,271
Yesterday we were at park side
place.
We are making progress.

1572
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,441
We can't hold gas on that kind
of progress.

1573
01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:13,245
That is my lens I am coming from
trying to balance with the

1574
01:37:15,581 --> 01:37:17,200
concerns that we are talking
about with climate.
-

1575
01:37:17,850 --> 01:37:19,850
I think it is important that we

1576
01:37:21,687 --> 01:37:23,422
have a lot of different
policymaking at the city

1577
01:37:23,956 --> 01:37:25,956
sometimes happens in silos.

1578
01:37:28,294 --> 01:37:30,796
We have the home hardening
building 327 expedited that

1579
01:37:35,268 --> 01:37:37,268
makes sense to expedite from

1580
01:37:37,871 --> 01:37:40,472
wildlife, wildfire prevention,
tree code conversation, natural

1581
01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:43,700
gas fee code conversation.

1582
01:37:45,645 --> 01:37:48,347
All of these things are tiny
chunks of affordabilities.

1583
01:37:50,416 --> 01:37:52,416
Time and space to sequence some

1584
01:37:53,186 --> 01:37:55,721
of those decisions in a manner
that makes sense and affects

1585
01:37:56,122 --> 01:37:58,991
affordability and what we do for
the community is something I

1586
01:38:01,161 --> 01:38:03,161
support and members support.

1587
01:38:05,365 --> 01:38:07,866
I guess I will leave it at that.
I would love to hear more about

1588
01:38:09,136 --> 01:38:11,136
the pilot at garrett.

1589
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:14,639
>> did you have a question?

1590
01:38:16,576 --> 01:38:17,910
>> cassie, I want to set for the
room.

1591
01:38:18,878 --> 01:38:20,546
Building code update coming in
right here.

1592
01:38:22,949 --> 01:38:25,884
Can you tell us to explain the
effect of that building code in

1593
01:38:27,954 --> 01:38:29,954
terms of installation of new

1594
01:38:32,459 --> 01:38:33,759
equipment into homes in the hvac
world.

1595
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:37,696
>> if a building codes person
wants to jump in.

1596
01:38:41,101 --> 01:38:43,101
I will take a stab at it.

1597
01:38:43,703 --> 01:38:45,703
Improves energy efficiency with

1598
01:38:46,339 --> 01:38:48,339
new construction by 30%.

1599
01:38:50,177 --> 01:38:52,177
I think that is maybe all I can

1600
01:38:52,913 --> 01:38:55,748
say confidently.
Anything to add from the
building people?

1601
01:38:57,117 --> 01:38:59,117
>> what I am trying to get at.

1602
01:38:59,653 --> 01:39:01,653
In most cases a c unit installed

1603
01:39:03,457 --> 01:39:04,657
in a home will require a heat
pump.

1604
01:39:05,926 --> 01:39:07,326
>> thank you for reminding me
about that part.

1605
01:39:08,762 --> 01:39:10,762
Another part of the code

1606
01:39:11,832 --> 01:39:13,566
air-conditioning installed it
has to be heat pump to ensure

1607
01:39:15,602 --> 01:39:17,602
any home with air-conditioning

1608
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,541
which is many of them have a
heat pump.

1609
01:39:23,877 --> 01:39:26,746
Gas furnace sets up for duel
fuel options that will have an

1610
01:39:26,914 --> 01:39:29,248
impact as well.
>> I am asking that question

1611
01:39:30,884 --> 01:39:32,884
because I do acknowledge

1612
01:39:33,287 --> 01:39:35,322
affordability and agree with
sarah it is my north star as

1613
01:39:35,322 --> 01:39:37,322
well.

1614
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:41,260
That is a way to really avoid a

1615
01:39:41,829 --> 01:39:43,829
large portion of al lakarstify.

1616
01:39:46,867 --> 01:39:48,867
That is $1,500 bucks in cost.

1617
01:39:49,503 --> 01:39:51,503
Three quarters of fee goes away

1618
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:54,574
when this drops into our laps
here in APRIL next year.

1619
01:39:58,913 --> 01:40:00,346
I think that helps with
affordability.

1620
01:40:01,315 --> 01:40:03,315
>> until we make decision on the

1621
01:40:05,152 --> 01:40:07,152
dual fuel systems.

1622
01:40:07,654 --> 01:40:09,256
If someone puts in gas furnace
cost would be there.

1623
01:40:10,457 --> 01:40:12,457
It could be automatically

1624
01:40:13,661 --> 01:40:16,462
driving more electric systems if
people put it in for sure.

1625
01:40:20,835 --> 01:40:22,835
>> thank you.

1626
01:40:24,238 --> 01:40:25,705
>> I will go to you and then to
garrett.

1627
01:40:26,574 --> 01:40:28,574
>> a couple members of committee

1628
01:40:29,210 --> 01:40:31,311
that were concerned about the
layering on of fees.

1629
01:40:32,914 --> 01:40:34,914
If we go route of exemption for

1630
01:40:39,220 --> 01:40:41,220
up to 1:20 A.M. I, there is less

1631
01:40:43,591 --> 01:40:44,858
concern because it was the
hardening.

1632
01:40:48,196 --> 01:40:50,697
We want to reduce barriers for
affordable middle.

1633
01:40:52,166 --> 01:40:54,166
>> garrett pilot program could

1634
01:40:55,403 --> 01:40:58,371
you explain we are in the world
of timeline.

1635
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,800
What do you mean?

1636
01:41:03,444 --> 01:41:05,444
>> the time limited aspect study

1637
01:41:05,913 --> 01:41:07,913
at least a year to collect the

1638
01:41:09,450 --> 01:41:12,252
energy use data to understand
the grid impacts.
Construction data collection.

1639
01:41:14,256 --> 01:41:16,256
This is what I vision how this

1640
01:41:16,758 --> 01:41:18,258
comes to life. Three members of
production builders now.

1641
01:41:19,827 --> 01:41:21,827
We hope to do this at scale.

1642
01:41:22,697 --> 01:41:24,697
Willing in upcoming projecs to

1643
01:41:25,633 --> 01:41:27,501
identify select homes to have a
side by sides comparison

1644
01:41:28,570 --> 01:41:30,570
building all electric next to

1645
01:41:30,939 --> 01:41:33,674
all gas.
The reason that selecting homes

1646
01:41:35,844 --> 01:41:37,844
in same project matters.

1647
01:41:38,379 --> 01:41:40,379
All projects are different.

1648
01:41:41,449 --> 01:41:43,449
Same land two different products

1649
01:41:44,152 --> 01:41:47,121
best way to collect data.
Alongside high efficient

1650
01:41:47,122 --> 01:41:48,889
electric equipment was
mentioned.

1651
01:41:51,826 --> 01:41:53,930
We have high performance
builders.

1652
01:42:00,702 --> 01:42:02,200
One has offered to be a
consultant.

1653
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:05,272
We want to look at climate
goals.

1654
01:42:06,908 --> 01:42:08,908
Here is time line.

1655
01:42:10,646 --> 01:42:13,314
Our members talked like quickest
two years to get homes

1656
01:42:14,490 --> 01:42:15,482
identified, built, sold and
study.

1657
01:42:16,384 --> 01:42:19,153
Two to three is roughly what we
are thinking with city support

1658
01:42:20,254 --> 01:42:22,254
and permitting process.

1659
01:42:24,326 --> 01:42:26,326
We could get closer to two.

1660
01:42:26,661 --> 01:42:29,430
Also, a piece I missed with home
selection we need diverse

1661
01:42:31,466 --> 01:42:33,466
selection of homes.

1662
01:42:34,636 --> 01:42:36,636
Townhome, single story detached,

1663
01:42:37,239 --> 01:42:39,907
two-story detached how it
contributes to emissions and

1664
01:42:43,812 --> 01:42:45,713
what affordability looks like in
direct costs.

1665
01:42:46,882 --> 01:42:48,882
>> what you are saying policy

1666
01:42:49,885 --> 01:42:51,885
would not apply city-wide two to

1667
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,120
three years only in certain ways

1668
01:42:54,990 --> 01:42:56,990
as we study data before going

1669
01:42:57,392 --> 01:42:58,893
city-wide?
>> yes.

1670
01:43:03,665 --> 01:43:06,340
I tried to make as brief as
possible.
>> I understood it.

1671
01:43:06,340 --> 01:43:07,468
Mandy.
>> brief question.

1672
01:43:10,873 --> 01:43:13,740
Why would you not look
retroactively at information

1673
01:43:14,576 --> 01:43:16,477
there are houses and buildings
and data.

1674
01:43:19,281 --> 01:43:21,281
why would you need to builds

1675
01:43:22,284 --> 01:43:24,284
homes, wait timeframes versus

1676
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,320
identifying the homes.

1677
01:43:26,556 --> 01:43:28,556
>> one of the challenges with

1678
01:43:28,691 --> 01:43:30,792
development costs it is sourced
regionally not specifically to

1679
01:43:30,893 --> 01:43:33,194
bend.
We have unique codes.

1680
01:43:36,265 --> 01:43:38,265
To do here to collect local data

1681
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:43,270
would be most impact

1682
01:43:45,574 --> 01:43:48,443
impact full.
Second part of question.

1683
01:43:48,844 --> 01:43:50,780
>> why won't you identify
locally?

1684
01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:54,140
>> that is comparing variables.

1685
01:43:55,618 --> 01:43:57,152
All electric home built here and
here.

1686
01:43:59,210 --> 01:44:01,210
There are different costs

1687
01:44:01,900 --> 01:44:03,491
associated with that because of
difference in pieces of land.

1688
01:44:07,863 --> 01:44:09,863
Side by sides with gas and and

1689
01:44:10,833 --> 01:44:12,133
electric home we control the
variables.

1690
01:44:14,537 --> 01:44:16,537
>> any other questions on that

1691
01:44:16,706 --> 01:44:18,706
or ideas?

1692
01:44:19,208 --> 01:44:21,209
Councilor mendez.
>> we heard concern about

1693
01:44:24,447 --> 01:44:26,447
delaying until we have more sent

1694
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:29,484
on the pathway to complying with
hb2021.

1695
01:44:30,887 --> 01:44:32,887
We talk about importance of

1696
01:44:35,792 --> 01:44:37,792
comparing high efficiency to low

1697
01:44:38,861 --> 01:44:40,861
efficiency electrification.

1698
01:44:41,831 --> 01:44:43,831
Council had a preference for

1699
01:44:52,108 --> 01:44:53,542
high efficiency electric
appliances.

1700
01:44:58,581 --> 01:45:00,581
To what extent does 2021

1701
01:45:03,620 --> 01:45:05,620
compliance the efficiency of the

1702
01:45:05,788 --> 01:45:07,788
electrical appliances

1703
01:45:08,324 --> 01:45:10,324
implemented?

1704
01:45:11,928 --> 01:45:13,928
>> even with -- with low

1705
01:45:14,297 --> 01:45:16,297
efficiency equipment, pacific

1706
01:45:16,733 --> 01:45:18,733
power not in compliance with

1707
01:45:20,236 --> 01:45:22,236
2021 is a very big problem.

1708
01:45:22,572 --> 01:45:24,106
High emission electricity and
quantity consumed is high

1709
01:45:26,509 --> 01:45:29,111
because of low efficiency.
Efficient equipment the concern

1710
01:45:30,213 --> 01:45:32,948
goes down because it should be
less energy used in total since

1711
01:45:36,419 --> 01:45:38,821
that is used efficiency.
Electricity used is dirty.

1712
01:45:39,623 --> 01:45:41,623
The concern is still there.

1713
01:45:45,529 --> 01:45:47,529
Our analysis shows that using

1714
01:45:47,931 --> 01:45:50,299
today's mix even when pacific
power homes some of the

1715
01:45:51,268 --> 01:45:53,569
equipment including high
efficiency equipment over the

1716
01:45:54,738 --> 01:45:56,738
life cycle of the equipment

1717
01:45:57,507 --> 01:45:59,507
would still have like a higher

1718
01:46:01,211 --> 01:46:03,211
carbon impact using high

1719
01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:09,500
efficiency heat pump at today's

1720
01:46:13,757 --> 01:46:16,193
grid mix compared to gas.
Grid mix still matters with high

1721
01:46:16,193 --> 01:46:18,193
efficiency.

1722
01:46:20,831 --> 01:46:23,666
It matters a lot with low
efficiency.

1723
01:46:28,806 --> 01:46:30,439
From a cost perspective and grid
perspective.

1724
01:46:31,441 --> 01:46:33,441
>> anything to add to that?

1725
01:46:36,780 --> 01:46:38,780
>> she did great job.

1726
01:46:39,316 --> 01:46:41,316
>> other ideas or information

1727
01:46:41,752 --> 01:46:43,752
that folks want us to know?

1728
01:46:43,854 --> 01:46:46,550
>> I would like to support the
pilot programs.

1729
01:46:47,558 --> 01:46:49,558
Not only with all electric and

1730
01:46:51,195 --> 01:46:53,195
all gas, but adding possibly a

1731
01:46:54,798 --> 01:46:57,533
third which is a hybrid home
whatever that MAY be, not just

1732
01:46:58,168 --> 01:47:00,403
one or the other.
Different ways of doing that.

1733
01:47:01,906 --> 01:47:04,700
When you touched on the
efficiencies, when you talk

1734
01:47:06,977 --> 01:47:08,611
about all electric home, most
affordable housing currently

1735
01:47:09,546 --> 01:47:11,546
that I see being produced out

1736
01:47:13,617 --> 01:47:15,485
there is using the most horrible
electric appliances.

1737
01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:19,540
That is something we need to

1738
01:47:20,191 --> 01:47:21,825
look at.
>> great.

1739
01:47:24,228 --> 01:47:26,228
Other thoughts on this part of

1740
01:47:27,832 --> 01:47:30,466
the discussion?
>> question about the pilot
idea.

1741
01:47:32,770 --> 01:47:34,637
In addition to why not look
retroactively?

1742
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,720
If you have gone to the

1743
01:47:37,742 --> 01:47:40,577
neighbor's house and felt it is
too cold or too hot compared to
your house.

1744
01:47:41,746 --> 01:47:43,746
You know the baseline of what

1745
01:47:44,582 --> 01:47:46,582
you set the thermostat to makes

1746
01:47:47,719 --> 01:47:49,719
a difference if home are same

1747
01:47:49,921 --> 01:47:51,921
and right next to each other.

1748
01:47:52,323 --> 01:47:54,624
Puzzled why it would be so
important two houses next to

1749
01:47:56,794 --> 01:47:58,794
each other.

1750
01:48:00,631 --> 01:48:02,632
How do we control for thermostat
size?

1751
01:48:03,167 --> 01:48:05,167
>> we hope to have enough scale

1752
01:48:05,236 --> 01:48:07,300
to take average to calculate for
energy use.

1753
01:48:08,206 --> 01:48:10,206
That is a big piece of that if

1754
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:13,109
we want to study grid and

1755
01:48:13,878 --> 01:48:15,878
utility rates we track usage

1756
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,582
data which we need help from
utility friends at the end of

1757
01:48:20,251 --> 01:48:22,586
the room to do.
At big enough scale we could

1758
01:48:25,657 --> 01:48:27,657
average that out.

1759
01:48:27,859 --> 01:48:30,527
One more piece.
That came up in our
conversations with members.

1760
01:48:32,464 --> 01:48:34,898
If the fees associated with
individual piece of equipment.

1761
01:48:35,767 --> 01:48:37,767
If council or city wanted to see

1762
01:48:37,836 --> 01:48:40,470
that hybrid approach we are
happy to do that.

1763
01:48:44,242 --> 01:48:46,610
If someone wanted to pay for gas
fireplace upgrade we could do

1764
01:48:47,110 --> 01:48:49,110
home or two for that.

1765
01:48:51,716 --> 01:48:53,716
We are flexible and appreciate

1766
01:48:54,186 --> 01:48:56,754
feedback from the city.
>> robin.
>> ecc does not support pilot.

1767
01:48:58,550 --> 01:49:00,550
We don't think waiting three

1768
01:49:01,626 --> 01:49:03,626
years to have that pilot is good

1769
01:49:03,828 --> 01:49:05,963
use of time.
With in that three years will be

1770
01:49:07,666 --> 01:49:10,567
thousands of homes that will not
be potentially all electric

1771
01:49:10,836 --> 01:49:12,836
because of that.

1772
01:49:14,906 --> 01:49:16,139
We think it is part of a delay
tactic.

1773
01:49:19,277 --> 01:49:21,277
We want to implement the policy

1774
01:49:21,379 --> 01:49:23,379
one year after passed.

1775
01:49:24,820 --> 01:49:26,817
Developers are used to having a
new code one year after it is

1776
01:49:27,886 --> 01:49:29,886
passed they will have that one

1777
01:49:29,988 --> 01:49:31,988
year in order to implement this

1778
01:49:34,793 --> 01:49:36,793
new policy.

1779
01:49:36,862 --> 01:49:39,830
>> brennan.
>> similar vein to robin.

1780
01:49:42,670 --> 01:49:44,869
80% of housing stock in next 20
years we kicked bucket two or

1781
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:49,575
four years that is 20% of the
housing stock city has done

1782
01:49:49,575 --> 01:49:51,676
nothing to push development
towards all electric.

1783
01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:55,679
I think the city has relative

1784
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:58,480
lehigh confidence this is the

1785
01:49:59,851 --> 01:50:01,851
climate solution we need in our

1786
01:50:02,588 --> 01:50:04,550
climate action plan strategy
es2a.

1787
01:50:07,793 --> 01:50:09,793
Develop policies to limit fossil

1788
01:50:09,895 --> 01:50:11,895
fuel use in new construction.

1789
01:50:11,930 --> 01:50:13,930
We

1790
01:50:18,270 --> 01:50:20,270
>> you said before you were okay

1791
01:50:21,273 --> 01:50:24,208
building sunsets or check ins.
What does that look like to you?

1792
01:50:25,511 --> 01:50:28,247
What are your ideas?
>> staying in step with building

1793
01:50:28,247 --> 01:50:30,581
codes.
Every three years.%

1794
01:50:32,518 --> 01:50:34,518
at end of two years city is done

1795
01:50:34,653 --> 01:50:36,653
collecting data the last year so

1796
01:50:37,523 --> 01:50:40,157
building codes is 2027.
By 2029 city is done collecting

1797
01:50:42,995 --> 01:50:44,995
data and can look back.

1798
01:50:45,965 --> 01:50:47,965
How many people paid the fee,

1799
01:50:48,133 --> 01:50:50,100
did it impact housing production
rate?

1800
01:50:52,204 --> 01:50:54,204
Look at that and make it into

1801
01:50:56,509 --> 01:50:58,900
effect with next building codes
update 2030.

1802
01:51:02,810 --> 01:51:04,810
>> I want to ask brandt.

1803
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:10,288
I heard from allen and elisa on
timeline.
Do you have thoughts on

1804
01:51:10,823 --> 01:51:12,823
implementation timeline.

1805
01:51:13,759 --> 01:51:15,759
>> not specific timeline.

1806
01:51:17,396 --> 01:51:19,396
>> thank you.

1807
01:51:19,665 --> 01:51:21,665
>> question for cassie.

1808
01:51:21,867 --> 01:51:23,301
The pilot and thousands of
homes.

1809
01:51:24,570 --> 01:51:26,570
What were the assumptions that

1810
01:51:28,641 --> 01:51:30,641
were made about people going to

1811
01:51:30,843 --> 01:51:32,843
 -- what percentage new homes

1812
01:51:33,579 --> 01:51:35,881
built would comply with the fee
entirely or would comply with

1813
01:51:35,882 --> 01:51:37,882
some of it?

1814
01:51:38,284 --> 01:51:40,284
Trying to remember what the

1815
01:51:41,521 --> 01:51:43,521
calculation made or assumption?

1816
01:51:44,590 --> 01:51:46,590
How many people would pay fee at

1817
01:51:46,826 --> 01:51:48,826
20% level and how many would

1818
01:51:48,861 --> 01:51:50,861
forget it and go all electric.

1819
01:51:50,863 --> 01:51:53,165
>> I have our consultant on the
line right now.

1820
01:51:56,202 --> 01:51:58,202
If you are listening daniel I

1821
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:04,443
will ask if you have that data
handy.

1822
01:52:08,348 --> 01:52:10,348
>> at 20% we expect 25% of homes

1823
01:52:16,890 --> 01:52:19,157
built to go electric.
>> thank you.

1824
01:52:21,928 --> 01:52:23,928
>> quick follow up on that.

1825
01:52:24,397 --> 01:52:26,365
>> when you made that
calculation and assumption were

1826
01:52:27,734 --> 01:52:29,734
you aware of the building code

1827
01:52:32,500 --> 01:52:34,500
change that councilor platt just

1828
01:52:34,207 --> 01:52:36,207
asked about if you put

1829
01:52:36,976 --> 01:52:38,811
air-conditioning in the house it
has to be heat pump and not

1830
01:52:40,246 --> 01:52:42,246
stand alone air conditioner and

1831
01:52:42,516 --> 01:52:44,516
how that influences how many

1832
01:52:45,118 --> 01:52:47,219
people decide to go all electric
because of the building code?

1833
01:52:49,222 --> 01:52:51,222
>> we are basing this off

1834
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,195
willingness to adopt studies on
electrification take don't

1835
01:52:57,264 --> 01:52:59,264
consider mandatory building code

1836
01:53:01,535 --> 01:53:04,470
that would be something else to
take into consideration.

1837
01:53:04,938 --> 01:53:07,506
>> final thoughts on
implementation?

1838
01:53:08,876 --> 01:53:10,876
Allen then garrett.

1839
01:53:11,745 --> 01:53:13,512
>> one thing I like about the
multiyear pilot.

1840
01:53:15,150 --> 01:53:17,150
In addition to testing to make

1841
01:53:17,517 --> 01:53:19,517
sure carbon reductions are

1842
01:53:20,587 --> 01:53:22,354
achieved, affordability aspect.
Is the resource adequacy.

1843
01:53:24,424 --> 01:53:26,424
That is so essential.

1844
01:53:26,526 --> 01:53:28,526
Allowing a few winters to pass,

1845
01:53:28,796 --> 01:53:30,796
looking at winter peak demand

1846
01:53:31,564 --> 01:53:33,564
and impacts to the end user, to

1847
01:53:34,167 --> 01:53:36,167
the homeowner, electric home,

1848
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:39,872
gas home, hybrid home and
compare if there are peak events

1849
01:53:41,642 --> 01:53:43,910
that take place, I think that is
crucial especially since as we

1850
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:52,552
said before we are a winter
peaking region.
>> garrett.

1851
01:53:54,121 --> 01:53:56,522
>> why letting the pilot play
out would be helpful.

1852
01:53:58,725 --> 01:54:01,461
I talked in builders in
washington as well.

1853
01:54:02,863 --> 01:54:04,863
There were supply change

1854
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:07,199
challenges with appliance and

1855
01:54:08,102 --> 01:54:10,870
equipment providers.
Giving runway for the market to

1856
01:54:11,710 --> 01:54:13,710
get that as well.

1857
01:54:14,141 --> 01:54:16,141
To sarah's point the layered

1858
01:54:17,177 --> 01:54:19,177
cost will impact builders.

1859
01:54:22,449 --> 01:54:24,449
>> if this wases to go in we do

1860
01:54:24,618 --> 01:54:26,519
a recommended date.
Is the recommendation for you

1861
01:54:27,988 --> 01:54:29,956
all with the timeline and
runway?

1862
01:54:34,295 --> 01:54:35,762
>> as much runway as possible.
2028.

1863
01:54:41,502 --> 01:54:43,502
>> any other thoughts?

1864
01:54:43,604 --> 01:54:45,604
>> cascade would like to request

1865
01:54:46,941 --> 01:54:48,742
that MAY be the study
reincorporate future assumptions

1866
01:54:50,344 --> 01:54:52,344
of the electric supply costs.

1867
01:54:54,682 --> 01:54:56,682
We have heard both central

1868
01:54:56,684 --> 01:54:59,152
electric cooperative and pacific
power have new information.

1869
01:55:01,188 --> 01:55:03,723
A lot of discussion on
affordability as upfront cost.

1870
01:55:04,559 --> 01:55:06,560
How about ongoing cost for
residents here.

1871
01:55:07,628 --> 01:55:10,497
More dollars spent on utility
cost the more it will take away

1872
01:55:11,666 --> 01:55:13,666
from dollars available for

1873
01:55:15,970 --> 01:55:18,472
economy in the city of bend be.
>> the city

1874
01:55:19,540 --> 01:55:21,775
city of bend.
>> has staff thought about

1875
01:55:23,144 --> 01:55:25,144
recommendation of 2028 or mid

1876
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:27,480
2027, would staff be interested

1877
01:55:28,716 --> 01:55:31,385
in doing check ins or how often
would staff look at data to

1878
01:55:32,453 --> 01:55:34,210
update the fee as it goes
forward.

1879
01:55:34,856 --> 01:55:36,856
>> any policy like this good

1880
01:55:42,130 --> 01:55:45,650
idea to have periodic check ins
to scan for any issues.

1881
01:55:47,769 --> 01:55:49,769
one, check in I would recommend

1882
01:55:50,672 --> 01:55:52,672
is regardless of whether 2027 or

1883
01:55:56,644 --> 01:55:58,212
2028 or later is at certain
period, one month before or

1884
01:56:04,519 --> 01:56:06,519
three months before check in to

1885
01:56:09,124 --> 01:56:11,124
recalibrate the fee calculation.

1886
01:56:11,526 --> 01:56:14,461
We need that information to make
the calculation work.

1887
01:56:15,196 --> 01:56:16,412
I would definitely recommend
that.

1888
01:56:18,333 --> 01:56:20,333
The cycle after that I think I

1889
01:56:20,368 --> 01:56:22,970
don't have a specific
recommendation right now.

1890
01:56:23,905 --> 01:56:25,539
I can think about that for the
22nd.

1891
01:56:28,510 --> 01:56:30,510
It is a discussion with council.

1892
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:33,680
Balancing the effort to have

1893
01:56:34,316 --> 01:56:36,316
enough time to have meaningful

1894
01:56:36,818 --> 01:56:38,818
data where you are not reviewing

1895
01:56:40,656 --> 01:56:43,424
too soon so the data does not
have variation with being
responsive.

1896
01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:47,260
Every couple years, I would

1897
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:49,630
think.
>> okay.

1898
01:56:50,398 --> 01:56:52,700
We have gotten a lot of good
information from everyone.

1899
01:56:54,102 --> 01:56:56,102
I appreciate everyone here

1900
01:56:56,338 --> 01:56:59,306
sharing with us.
We have heard different

1901
01:57:00,809 --> 01:57:02,809
perspective around urgency and

1902
01:57:03,712 --> 01:57:06,113
why delay might be desirable.
I appreciate that.

1903
01:57:07,950 --> 01:57:10,251
I was going to ask eric taking
notes and I have been taking

1904
01:57:10,252 --> 01:57:12,252
notes as well.

1905
01:57:12,321 --> 01:57:14,956
Does this reflect the top level
things we will bring into the

1906
01:57:19,661 --> 01:57:21,662
work session and we will close
it out.

1907
01:57:22,631 --> 01:57:24,631
>> I don't want to go through

1908
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,800
each group said this.

1909
01:57:33,142 --> 01:57:35,900
General themes of other ideas.
Housing mix.

1910
01:57:41,250 --> 01:57:43,250
120 ami expanding on that.

1911
01:57:48,457 --> 01:57:50,457
Input from utilities in terms of

1912
01:57:51,193 --> 01:57:54,620
calibrates with the metrics.
>> we had a mix of support

1913
01:57:57,232 --> 01:57:59,567
versus not support for dual fuel
heat pumps and renewable natural
gas.

1914
01:58:01,270 --> 01:58:03,270
That is something to look for

1915
01:58:05,407 --> 01:58:07,407
direction on those different

1916
01:58:08,277 --> 01:58:10,277
things you have heard.

1917
01:58:11,147 --> 01:58:13,147
>> I heard a lot about pilot

1918
01:58:13,449 --> 01:58:15,449
program, wanting to try policy,

1919
01:58:16,952 --> 01:58:18,952
get it going sooner.

1920
01:58:20,122 --> 01:58:22,122
On the exemptions some sort of

1921
01:58:22,324 --> 01:58:24,324
talking about affordable housing

1922
01:58:26,128 --> 01:58:27,996
how we are going to exempt that
potentially.

1923
01:58:28,864 --> 01:58:30,864
Cassie what you said is right.

1924
01:58:32,268 --> 01:58:34,268
Missed opinions on dual fuel and

1925
01:58:34,337 --> 01:58:36,337
rng and reductions or putting

1926
01:58:37,974 --> 01:58:39,374
things into calculation versus
exemptions.

1927
01:58:40,243 --> 01:58:41,876
Those were all things we
captured.

1928
01:58:42,979 --> 01:58:44,979
Around solar as well discussion

1929
01:58:45,381 --> 01:58:47,583
of that, too.
We will bring all of that to

1930
01:58:47,583 --> 01:58:49,583
council.

1931
01:58:50,186 --> 01:58:52,621
I want to level set that staff
is going to bring to council.

1932
01:58:54,557 --> 01:58:57,920
Some ideas are more intensive or
might take more looking into

1933
01:58:58,294 --> 01:59:00,195
than others.
Deed restricted affordable

1934
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:02,931
housing is clear and
straightforward.

1935
01:59:05,101 --> 01:59:07,200
Pilot program, megawatts solar
are more involved.

1936
01:59:07,670 --> 01:59:09,670
We will ask staff to tell us

1937
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:13,676
which of these could we do on
the time line we want now pass

1938
01:59:15,511 --> 01:59:17,511
this in JUNE and which might not

1939
01:59:19,150 --> 01:59:21,150
be ready or available for fully

1940
01:59:21,217 --> 01:59:23,619
flushed ideas.
We will discuss with council

1941
01:59:23,953 --> 01:59:26,488
what to do with that information
and how to proceed.

1942
01:59:26,890 --> 01:59:28,890
Really good ideas to bring to

1943
01:59:30,293 --> 01:59:32,293
the table for our discussion on

1944
01:59:32,362 --> 01:59:34,998
the 22nd.
Any other final thoughts from

1945
01:59:34,998 --> 01:59:36,998
council?

1946
01:59:37,834 --> 01:59:39,834
>> I took a lot of notes.

1947
01:59:40,904 --> 01:59:43,205
Thank you for your perspectives
and your guidance.

1948
01:59:43,973 --> 01:59:45,808
>> appreciate everybody being
here.

1949
01:59:48,110 --> 01:59:50,450
Being respectful and having a
good back and forth.

1950
01:59:50,513 --> 01:59:53,382
>> if something comes to you
that didn't come to your mind

1951
01:59:55,986 --> 01:59:57,986
today at the table send it to

1952
01:59:58,221 --> 02:00:00,221
cassie, make sure she gets that

1953
02:00:00,256 --> 02:00:02,256
if you had a good thought.

1954
02:00:04,327 --> 02:00:07,129
We still want to hear it or you
are debriefing over coffee and

1955
02:00:07,397 --> 02:00:09,397
they give you an idea, send it

1956
02:00:11,334 --> 02:00:13,334
to us so we can think about

1957
02:00:13,403 --> 02:00:15,604
that.
Perfectly on time.

1958
02:00:16,373 --> 02:00:18,807
Good job.
Thank you.
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