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I'm going to call to order today's meeting of the,

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work session, sorry, for the Corvallis City Council and joint with

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the Charter Review Task Force Phase Two.

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Call to order. And I just want to start by welcoming our citizen members of the

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phase two of our task force to review the charter.

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I think this might be the first we've all been in the same

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room.

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Um, so I guess we'll dive in. We have our, our update to the rest of the

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council. So let's just go ahead and get

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started.

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Start with presentations.

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Presentations always seem to be the most

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trouble.

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So, just a little background on the Charter Review,

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Phase Two Task Force formed in December twenty twenty-five when

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the first phase of the Charter Review Task Force concluded its work.

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Um, again, charged to evaluate form of government, charter provisions,

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consider, additions to align with the legal organizations model charter and

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other miscellaneous charter provisions.

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Um, we-- So far, our work so far has been mainly focused, on the form of

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government, due to the impact and effort required to

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get them on the ballot, essentially.

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These are the guiding principles that we adopted as for phase two of the Charter

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Review Task Force. Um, to me, it's all kind of obvious things that

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we should always do. Fair and effective representation, effective and efficient

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legislative function, accountability to voters and democratic

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responsiveness, continuity and, and institutional

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stability, cost and administrative impact, long-term governance alignment, and

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accessibility to elected leaders and public service.

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I really felt that these things are core of

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how we operate as a government and what, what the community

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deserves. We-- Uh, so we've made a few-- have a few

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recommendations for you. The first one is, lowering

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our number of wards and councilors from nine to seven.

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Uh, we actually had a really good discussion on this.

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There were some, interesting suggestions of even or odd, but we

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ended up with seven, to keep it odd, and that between,

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councilors to be nominated and elected by ward as we currently

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do.

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We have the highlights there. Improved operational efficiencies, governmental

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product-productivity, resources for councilors.

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And I want to point out, it's interesting, I, I didn't think going from nine to

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seven would make a big difference, but we've had a few meetings recently, we're

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just down by one councilor, and it made a difference.

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So it, it does show sometimes just

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a little more focus instead of broader focus.

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Um, it maintains the neighborhood identities, which is important to a lot of us,

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geographic representation and accountability to wards.

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As we know, Corvallis has some very unique areas, whether you live in the north

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side or the south side or right in the middle, we want to maintain

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that. But it pre-preserves the mayor's primary role as a facilitator and consensus

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builder. We didn't want to make any changes to where I'd have a regular voter or

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anything like that.

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the considerations. Reduces opportunities to run for office, perception of

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access to city. Um, mayor votes less frequently due to fewer tie

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votes among odd number of councilors.

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Even the wards only vote every four years, while odd votes--

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ward votes vote every two years.

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That would be initially.

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Yeah.

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Something to be discussed.

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Let's-

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We can, maybe get into it a little bit more on the next slide, 'cause it has to

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do when the mayor is elected.

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Yeah. Um, at-large elections could allow representation

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of a geographically spread interest group.

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So we did discuss whether we wanted to have all councilors just be at large, like

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some cities do. Um, and at-large elections of, two councilors per

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ward could limit voter ability to, check and balance.

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So again, we considered a lot of different models.

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Um, city manager did talk a lot about, you know, you could have three

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wards and still have six councilors. You can have one in one councilor per ward.

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But what we ended up going with was those recommendations at the

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top. Term limits. We suggested

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four-year terms. Um, that way they could be staggered, so you wouldn't have

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all, councilors come to ballot at once,

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ideally. Um, odd wards would be elected in presidential election years and even

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wards .

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Uh,

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again, this brings continuity, experience, focus on long-term goals,

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development of positive relationships.

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one of the challenges we, as we all experienced, we've been on council long

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enough, is when a co-council has a big change, then we have a strategy that,

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you know, hard to make-- fulfill. Uh,

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it reduces the potential for significant turnover and loss of that institutional

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knowledge. Again, when we're in the middle of our strategic

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plan. Um, majority council, only refreshed every four

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years due to odd numbers of councilors.

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Even though odd wards, voter frequency, opportunities to run for mayor.

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These are the things we really considered, is how do, how do these play out in

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elections to where

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everyone's kind of equal. And there was concerns

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over the longer term may discourage community members from, from running from

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office. Um, but when we looked at the data, it kind of disagreed with

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that. Uh,

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for, for me, there's been really no changes, so, the recommendation is to keep

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the way it is where only-- the mayor only votes to break a tie.

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Still has a four-year term, and elected at large during midterm election

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year. Um, again, you can read through the, the key considerations we have

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there. And then the, highlights of those considerations

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and the concerns and what we kinda talked through every

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time. Term limits. This one I thought was

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more interesting. Um,

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has to do with three-term limit for councilors and the three-term limit for mayor.

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So essentially twelve years, assuming everything passes.

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Uh, limits apply to consecutive terms, not to the lifetime of an individual.

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So if someone served three full terms, you know, spent twelve years as a

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city councilor and decided to run for mayor, they can do that.

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It's a different position. Um, if they took a break, served two

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terms, left council for whatever reason, and ran again, they can do

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that as well. They're just not in a second.Um, and we're, we're trying-- we worked

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out that partial terms would, less than 50% would not count to a term

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limit.

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And we have the main considerations there.

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Balanced and competitive renewal, provides stability,

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limits the incumbent advantage, which is talked

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about. Um,

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things to that effect.

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Next steps. Um, you can see here we are today in March.

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Uh, we're looking for feedback, direction, so we can continue the work.

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Um, in April, we developed more of the red line language concrete with

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phase one of the charter study task force.

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Um, we'll come back in May, look for more final, feedback if there's

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anything that's changed on the strategy.

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Um, and June, we'll finalize ballot titles and summary

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statement. And hopefully July, we'll refer to the November ballot,

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and that's when the real fun begins.

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Here are the questions we have for all of you, councilors you should

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say. To move on. Do the draft recommendations align with the guiding

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principles?

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Two, are there any governance models from comparative cities that the task force

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should be examining more closely?

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Three, from a governance perspective, do the draft recommendations work well

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together and independently, regardless of how they are grouped on the ballot?

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You have a lighter pack as well. And do the draft recommendations address problems

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the council is looking to solve?

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So again, we're trying to keep it pretty high level today because we will come back

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again with those more detailed, red

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lines to get into the weeds, so to speak.

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So really today we're just open to

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give you the update of where we, where we're landing currently and get feedback on

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these questions so we can move forward.

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Okay, I just have a question. Can you explain what you mean by odds-- by

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the comment about,

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even ward voters only vote every four

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years, and odd ward voters vote every

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two?

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I'll look to Alex or somebody else for that.

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That confused me.

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Yeah. So, each... Since, since the

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model is one ward

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per-- o-one counselor per ward, you're actually

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only voting for a counselor every four years.

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But because the mayor is on, the,

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... odd year, some of those wards you'll line up where you, you

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get to vote for a mayor in one, you know, at one

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point, and then two years later, you're voting for your counselor.

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Then two years later, you're voting for your mayor.

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The other wards, you're voting for mayor and counselor every

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four years, and you're not voting

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in the, in between. So you're only voting, only get a vote every

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four years, which-

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Yeah, so I was confused by the way I think it was worded.

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So basically, it depends on where you live in the city will be-- depend on how long

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you get, how often you get to vote.

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But you still get to vote every four years for your counselor.

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Yes, for your counselor-

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For mayor

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... no matter where you live.

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Or for your mayor.

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But sometimes you'll get to vote, you know, like say this November, you'd get to

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vote. And if this is already implemented, then in two years, you'd have a different

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vote if you lived in one of the ones where you're now voting for mayor.

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And then the next two years again, you'd vote for your counselor.

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So it is a disadvantage, but-

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I'm not really-- I'm not sure I see that as a

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disadvantage. If I'm, I'm even number

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ward, I get to vote for the mayor and the counselor. Okay.

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So I get-- I'm voting for two elected officials.

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But then in the next two-year period, I get to vote for no elected

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official.

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So what's... I don't get the distinction.

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It, it's, you know, it... Well, the only negative we could think of

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we were talking about it was around, civic

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engagement.

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You know, some people like to be able to vote every two years, and this would

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remove, certain wards from being able to vote every s- every two years.

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Some, some of them would only vote every four years. It's not really a negative.

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They're still voting for the same number of people, but just not

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every two years.

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I think it also kinda goes back to the mindset of where we went

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to, vote for the whole council every two years was that idea

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of accountability. As, you know, I wasn't here for

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that, that charter change, but the understanding was they would wanna be able to

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make a change on the council every two years,

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where, I mean, the way to accomplish that with

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four-year terms would be

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multiple counselors per ward

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some sort of at large type of...

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Yeah. I mean, I understand, I understand the comment.

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I'm really not sure I see that as a

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negative or an inequity, but that doesn't matter.

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To keep it back to the high level, I think the

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only comment I would say is,

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it is true that

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you can't run for two offices at the same

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time.

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Um, so yes, if you're in a ward that is not up for election, you can run for

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mayor. But we can solve that problem pretty simply by making somebody

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resign. We can, we can make that change.

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If you wanna run for mayor, you have to resign.

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You have to plan to resign your city councilor

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position. Does that, does that come up at all as you-

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No, we didn't talk about that. You're saying we get to just plan to retire

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but not-- or resign, but not actually resign until-

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No, you'd have to actually-- To make it fair, you'd have to actually resign.

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Because if I'm in a-- If my term is ending, and I want to run

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for mayor, but I also-- I can't run for mayor and for my expiring

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term.

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So if I run for mayor, I'm not ever gonna be a councilor

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that, the next term. So-

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You would have to leave your chair until the end of the term.

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You'd have to wait another two years to run again.

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It's a forfeit

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... are you saying if you decided to run for mayor

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In July, then when you made that decision to run for mayor

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in July, you would not finish out your term?

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Or you would just say, "In December, I am done."

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No, I'm saying it for the people that are in even-numbered

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terms.

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Mm.

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When they... If they chose to run for mayor, and their term

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is going to be expiring, at the end of that year-

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Mm-hmm

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... they know they won't be able to run for their council position again.

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Mm-hmm.

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So they're, they won't, they won't...

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If they lose the mayor race, they're, they're out of council.

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Right.

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If we wanted to make it fair for the odd-numbered terms, and you wanna

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run for mayor, then what you're...

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You, we could say, you're making a decision similar to our

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even-numbered cohorts, that you

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wanna run for mayor. If you get elected mayor, you're mayor.

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And if you're, don't get elected mayor, you, you effectively are

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saying, "I'm gonna resign at the end of my, of that council

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term."

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December, yeah. Okay.

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I mean, that would make it the same, that would make it equivalent.

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And it wouldn't really-

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For example-

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It wouldn't really be resigning, it would just be you would not be able to run for

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city council.

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For...

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Can I rephrase it?

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You'd have to resign.

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You'd have to resign, sure.

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You'd have to resign.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So this resignation would be submitted, but not effective until the end of the

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year?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And then who... Then that means that during that election cycle, you would

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also have to have an election to replace that person running for mayor and city

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councilor.

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Because by definition, they've resigned already.

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They would have, they have, they would be resigned.

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If they chose to run for mayor.

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So you can't... So you just can't lose the mayor election and stay on council for

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two years.

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Right.

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Yeah, I, I, I think-

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I like that.

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I, I think, I think that's

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slightly a discount. It's not a disadvantage.

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Mm.

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Yeah, I guess that would work.

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No, it's not dis- it's the same disadvantage for the,

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even-numbered boards. If I wanna run for mayor, and now I'm not

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Mm-hmm.

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going to council, I can't re-

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Mm

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... I can't run for re-election.

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So clearly this is a feedback for the task force, they need to figure this out.

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Exactly. That's what I-

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I made a note.

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Okay.

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I have another suggestion to try to make it-

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Another solution that was suggested by Brennan, that

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came out today-

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Yeah

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... was to have a two-year term for the mayor.

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Right. Mm.

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And that would actually get rid of the inequities, and it would also get rid of-

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That's great

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... collect extra money for elections.

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Yeah. But, please no comments from the audience, thank you.

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Um,

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that would solve the problem, although as someone who's done that campaign,

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I would not wanna do that every two years.

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Mm.

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Yeah, I think that's the... It's a lot of money, it's a lot, it's a lot of work,

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and it would be a distraction for the mayor to try to do that every other year.

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And, and I, yeah, I get the... I can see where

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it can be...

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It solves one problem and creates another.

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It just doesn't help the continuity issue.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Well, I have to look into how the other cities do it, because most, some, you know,

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there are others that have wards, like us-

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Mm

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... that have a four-year term mayor.

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So somebody has to have figured something out, 'cause on that

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chart...

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You know, another thing discussed, but we didn't

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put in this proposal, is having all the councilors, running at once, and then

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the mayor on the separate election.

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Which still has the same issue we have now with the turnover

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rate.

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Mm.

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Yeah, no.

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Mm.

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We on number two yet?

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Well, we haven't even really answered number one fully, so.

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Well, I would-

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Guiding principles, yeah. I would, I would

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just like to point out that I've been uncomfortable with

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the, you know, the odd/even,

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switcheroos, and this, that, and the other thing.

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Um, so the, the memo this morning from

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Mr.,

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what's his name?

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Brand.

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Brand.

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Cool.

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Yeah. Um, crystallized in my

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mind what I had been uncomfortable with.

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Mm.

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And, and

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what's presented here is a little more elegant than what we've

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presented in phase two task force.

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So even, let's say, we went with 66 terms instead of seven,

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we would not have that odd/even thing going on.

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Um, or would we? I don't know. But anyway, if we look at

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number two, governance models,

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and we find out what's negative about those governance

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models, you know, we, we're, we're putting up a lot of

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negatives in what we've presented or what we've

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come up with so far. And those negatives, maybe it's, what is

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it? All the, the slides you had before.

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Um,

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those negatives

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I think are enough that will dissuade people from voting

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for any of them.

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Mm.

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Or some of them. One of them, two of them.

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And the problem-

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That's the other thing we have to look at, if one passes and the other one doesn't,

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what do we do?

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Ezra.

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Could I ask... Now, I knew we were talking

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about reducing the number of councilors and the number of

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terms, and I don't need to weigh in on my opinion of that right now, because I

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think I've been clear for the last 10 years.

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Um, what is the problem we're trying to solve with the term

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limits? What? There was... I mean, the only person who

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succeeded that was Hal Bronner. Um, and Hal was, was

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such a resource to me, as a, as a new

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councilor.

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I think the idea of the term limits was kind of a response to the

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concern, the reason why we ended up with two-year term limits to

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begin with. You know, so people would have six, not that

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that's generally, but it's, and I, I think that's why it

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was, brought up as a suggestion at-

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So, so really what is the problem?

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You know, we, we talk about addressing problems that councils looking...

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So what is the problem with somebody running-

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Four terms.

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Four terms, nine terms. Hal was here for eight, 10 years.

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Um,

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what, what, where, where's the problem?

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I think, I think we need fresh-

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If... And, but if the, if the community, if the people who are electing him feel

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like, or her, the pe-people who are electing the counselor

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feel like they're doing a good job representing, and the counselor

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feels comfortable and like they're still able to do the

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job, what, where is the problem?

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I agree.

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Yes. I-

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I mean, I guess we could put it out to the, the community and have them vote on it

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and say, "We don't see this as a problem," then it goes down.

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But it seems like-

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Yeah.

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I don't, I don't see the problem

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... Chris, I, Chris, I agree with you. I don't see there being an actual problem.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's more of a perceived problem, perceiving that community members might have

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concerns over four-year terms because of, you know, getting ingrained

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and stuck in their seat and serving forever and not doing good work, which from our

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understanding is part of the reason why two-year terms were created in the first

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place, because I guess they used to be six, so.

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And from a certain level too, there's, like a

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level of the longer you're in your seat, the more of an incumbent advantage

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you might have. And so that also-

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Yeah

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... also prevents the turnover. I know it's more of a problem seeing that like the

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state and national level than it is-

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Mm-hmm

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... on the city council level. But it, we talked about it a little

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bit as like an anti-corruption measure, so that was part of it.

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So my feedback to the board-

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Yeah

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... or the task force on this would be, take a look to

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see if other cities have moved in this direction and what was the basis

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for their direction. I, I think there's probably a general

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sense that term limits are a good thing, but I don't,

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I don't know what the trend is.

440
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Yeah.

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So that might be useful. By the way, I do have some data

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that came from the League of Oregon Cities that is not a

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published report. It's a spreadsheet of a comm- of a survey that

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they did that talks about term limits and stuff like that, so I'll send

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that to you.

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Good.

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Yeah.

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Can I just comment that I think the term limits sentiment may

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be, influenced by the federal

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situation-

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Mm-hmm

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... and people seeing this

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with long, long sitting, perceived to be

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ineffective people at the federal level.

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Um, and

456
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it's just a totally different animal serving at the local level, and hard

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to find really good people who are willing to serve for a long time.

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So I, I mean, my op- my, not really stake in the ground,

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but it's let the voters decide. If they don't think they're effective anymore, they

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won't be voted back in.

461
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Mm-hmm.

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And you have councilors who are losing effectiveness

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who were voted out.

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Right.

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The history of the two-year term was

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based on the fact that there had been councilors in office

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forever.

468
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Well, then we can decide to change the charter again.

469
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So we're gonna try-

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It doesn't, you know, make people happy, but-

471
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We're trying to assuage that issue.

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I know. I get it. But what problem are we-

473
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But what problem are we trying to solve here?

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Exactly. It doesn't exist now.

475
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Yeah.

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If I, I go back to the guiding principles, and the last guiding principle is

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accessibility to elected leaders and public service.

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The idea is giving people a chance to step up and serve as a

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councilor where it's an... Running for office your

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first time is, I think, can be intimidating and challenging.

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When you, you have an incumbent that continuously comes back,

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it could discourage people from stepping up.

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Um, so I think, I think that's

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part of it. I don't, I don't want to talk for the task force, but I do remember us

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talking about that.

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Part of it is also a diversification

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of knowledge. If you have someone who's a city councilor for

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20 years or something, they're, they're gonna have a tremendous amount of

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knowledge.

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Mm-hmm.

491
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But we need to be considering about the city as a long-term

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organism, which means, you know, cycling this knowledge

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through, making people, making sure people are engaged and active.

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So it's not just turnover, it's also about-

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Things changing

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... building the bench, so to speak.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I do, I, I think the,

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at a high level, I think the, the four-year terms makes a lot of

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sense to me, and I think staggered.

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Um, I think that

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I, if you look at, either actual

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examples of turnover with two-year terms versus four-year terms,

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or even, or even if I remember my probability, I could

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probably demonstrate to you mathematically

506
00:23:01,176 --> 00:23:04,836
that when you have two-year term, four-year terms staggered, you're gonna get less

507
00:23:04,846 --> 00:23:05,556
turnover.

508
00:23:06,416 --> 00:23:10,086
And so I think that is the benefit of,

509
00:23:10,656 --> 00:23:12,896
moving away from two-year terms.

510
00:23:12,996 --> 00:23:16,536
Uh, and I think that the data that Jan put together showed we have a

511
00:23:17,256 --> 00:23:20,496
fairly significant turnover rate-

512
00:23:20,716 --> 00:23:21,156
Mm-hmm

513
00:23:21,196 --> 00:23:24,656
... that doesn't help with longer term

514
00:23:24,756 --> 00:23:27,876
decision-making and, and maintaining momentum on larger terms.

515
00:23:27,916 --> 00:23:31,616
So I think that aspect of it is, definitely fits with

516
00:23:31,676 --> 00:23:35,356
the, rough draft recommendations.

517
00:23:35,536 --> 00:23:39,336
Um, I think, I'm happy to have you guys look at a

518
00:23:39,396 --> 00:23:42,456
couple other factors out there in terms of the term limits per

519
00:23:42,576 --> 00:23:44,046
se. Um,

520
00:23:45,376 --> 00:23:49,256
I don't resonate as much with the every four years I get to vote

521
00:23:50,416 --> 00:23:53,676
as I get to vote every two years. That's, that could be my own personal

522
00:23:53,696 --> 00:23:55,286
approach. Um,

523
00:23:56,576 --> 00:24:00,346
and I do think the issue of, councilors running for

524
00:24:00,396 --> 00:24:04,176
mayor and also having to be able to retain their seat is a, is a,

525
00:24:04,716 --> 00:24:06,616
is an inequity between

526
00:24:07,436 --> 00:24:08,576
the odd and even.

527
00:24:08,596 --> 00:24:08,646
Mm-hmm.

528
00:24:08,646 --> 00:24:10,676
So I think that should be addressed.

529
00:24:10,716 --> 00:24:10,956
Um,

530
00:24:12,856 --> 00:24:13,196
and

531
00:24:14,236 --> 00:24:16,776
I, I just have a question. I know

532
00:24:16,836 --> 00:24:20,688
that-Um, saying not to go down the path of

533
00:24:20,748 --> 00:24:23,888
three wards and two councilors

534
00:24:24,068 --> 00:24:25,328
per ward.

535
00:24:26,728 --> 00:24:27,738
Like, was there,

536
00:24:28,548 --> 00:24:31,328
is there-- is that just considered too big a change?

537
00:24:31,348 --> 00:24:32,688
What was the logic behind it?

538
00:24:33,688 --> 00:24:37,488
For me, it's the, the

539
00:24:37,528 --> 00:24:40,968
election issue. Running in a ward

540
00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:45,768
that's a third of the city is different than running in a ward that's a seventh of

541
00:24:45,828 --> 00:24:48,668
the city, or a ninth of the city now.

542
00:24:48,728 --> 00:24:52,668
So when I ran for city council, I knocked on every door in my ward.

543
00:24:52,688 --> 00:24:56,198
If there were only three wards, there's no way I'd do that, in my

544
00:24:56,308 --> 00:24:58,948
opinion.

545
00:24:59,388 --> 00:25:02,798
Anyone else want to weigh in? I believe there's been some

546
00:25:02,908 --> 00:25:03,468
more.

547
00:25:03,788 --> 00:25:07,448
Yeah. I also wasn't a big fan of the two councilors per ward system,

548
00:25:07,508 --> 00:25:11,388
because then you end up often in situations where,

549
00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:15,628
you have one, one councilor canceling out the vote of

550
00:25:15,668 --> 00:25:17,048
another.

551
00:25:17,058 --> 00:25:20,228
Potentially, yeah.

552
00:25:20,268 --> 00:25:20,298
Yeah.

553
00:25:20,298 --> 00:25:22,688
Yeah, I'll say I, I like the concept,

554
00:25:25,268 --> 00:25:29,248
a lot actually. Um, but, but when we went through the discussion and raised

555
00:25:29,268 --> 00:25:33,048
some of the concerns of what that would do, is how there's also what was

556
00:25:33,088 --> 00:25:35,728
talked about keeping the identity of the ward system.

557
00:25:35,788 --> 00:25:37,538
Because there is, you know-

558
00:25:37,968 --> 00:25:37,978
Right

559
00:25:38,008 --> 00:25:41,628
...if you made it only three wards, that would really combine

560
00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:45,208
areas of the city that haven't really been, that don't have the same issues.

561
00:25:45,228 --> 00:25:45,888
Mm-hmm.

562
00:25:45,928 --> 00:25:48,698
Not, not that that would create more, maybe some more understanding of the

563
00:25:48,748 --> 00:25:49,618
different parts of the community.

564
00:25:49,648 --> 00:25:52,078
But we feel that, that,

565
00:25:53,448 --> 00:25:56,588
the voters in Corvallis really like our, their identities of their neighborhoods

566
00:25:56,688 --> 00:26:00,638
and their wards. And although we'd be reducing to seven, I think

567
00:26:00,748 --> 00:26:04,678
that would, the shift would still work and keep those different segments of

568
00:26:04,708 --> 00:26:07,238
the city. I can, I can understand that.

569
00:26:07,288 --> 00:26:10,748
I, I think as to, as to counseling the votes, say,

570
00:26:11,048 --> 00:26:14,978
every, when you get on the council you're, both represent your ward and

571
00:26:15,028 --> 00:26:15,688
the city, so-

572
00:26:15,828 --> 00:26:16,138
Mm-hmm.

573
00:26:16,148 --> 00:26:16,178
Mm-hmm

574
00:26:16,178 --> 00:26:20,008
...you cancel each other out all the time. So, but it's just not within our ward.

575
00:26:20,018 --> 00:26:23,948
True, but then you're also gonna run into the, the situation where

576
00:26:24,148 --> 00:26:27,667
there's two councilors, even if they're on the same ward technically, like, even if

577
00:26:27,677 --> 00:26:31,068
they're technically on the same ward, they'll have such dif-- you can end up with

578
00:26:31,108 --> 00:26:33,927
such differing opinions that you'll split that ward down the middle.

579
00:26:33,948 --> 00:26:34,368
Mm-hmm.

580
00:26:34,408 --> 00:26:35,968
So it would end up being like-

581
00:26:36,348 --> 00:26:36,808
Almost like-

582
00:26:36,818 --> 00:26:38,168
... almost like two different wards in the first place.

583
00:26:38,208 --> 00:26:42,108
Or the opposite, where you get two councilors for one ward that have the exact

584
00:26:42,168 --> 00:26:43,708
same opinion on everything.

585
00:26:43,718 --> 00:26:43,718
Right.

586
00:26:43,748 --> 00:26:46,968
Which then you end up with a ward that gets no

587
00:26:47,008 --> 00:26:49,478
representation of the population.

588
00:26:49,478 --> 00:26:49,478
Right. Yeah.

589
00:26:49,528 --> 00:26:53,457
Like, there's a lot of wards where simply people with a lot of

590
00:26:53,468 --> 00:26:57,318
money or retirees would be able to take the seats every single time.

591
00:26:57,368 --> 00:27:01,278
And while that's not, it's not as much of a problem when you have

592
00:27:01,308 --> 00:27:05,128
seven or nine wards, as it is when you have, like, two

593
00:27:05,168 --> 00:27:05,808
councilors.

594
00:27:05,818 --> 00:27:06,318
Sure.

595
00:27:06,368 --> 00:27:06,908
Yeah.

596
00:27:06,928 --> 00:27:10,457
Well, two comments on that. One is, I think if, if you believe that rep- the

597
00:27:10,488 --> 00:27:14,117
election is representative of, people in the ward, I think that kind of

598
00:27:14,148 --> 00:27:17,948
addresses that issue. Uh, I would encourage you to look at the League of

599
00:27:18,008 --> 00:27:20,068
Oregon Cities to see,

600
00:27:21,148 --> 00:27:22,448
how,

601
00:27:23,888 --> 00:27:27,428
kind of what other cities do. And not that we have to copy other cities, but-

602
00:27:27,468 --> 00:27:27,688
Okay

603
00:27:27,698 --> 00:27:31,348
...the point is, we have, the hundred and twenty-one

604
00:27:31,408 --> 00:27:32,788
cities in Oregon.

605
00:27:32,828 --> 00:27:33,938
Two hundred and forty-one.

606
00:27:33,948 --> 00:27:34,388
Pardon me?

607
00:27:34,488 --> 00:27:35,288
Two hundred and forty-one.

608
00:27:35,308 --> 00:27:36,348
Two hundred and forty-two.

609
00:27:36,368 --> 00:27:37,328
It keeps happening.

610
00:27:37,348 --> 00:27:41,328
So we have two hundred and forty-one experiments that have happened over decades,

611
00:27:41,388 --> 00:27:45,308
and sometimes centuries. Um, but it'd be good to at

612
00:27:45,348 --> 00:27:49,168
least understand what other people have learned and, and learned from that.

613
00:27:49,248 --> 00:27:53,118
So, I'll send you, it's kind of dated, but it's, it,

614
00:27:53,188 --> 00:27:57,098
it's the last survey that they did for cities, kind of what, how they operate.

615
00:27:57,128 --> 00:27:59,568
So I would encourage you to reach out to League of Oregon Cities.

616
00:28:00,088 --> 00:28:03,968
If, if I could just-- In your packet, you do have comparison of 10

617
00:28:03,988 --> 00:28:04,548
cities.

618
00:28:04,628 --> 00:28:05,008
Yeah.

619
00:28:05,048 --> 00:28:08,908
And there's, there are two cities that are

620
00:28:08,988 --> 00:28:12,698
one councilor per ward, elected by wards, and

621
00:28:12,748 --> 00:28:15,108
that's Corvallis and Springfield.

622
00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:18,828
The rest have either two councilors per ward, or they

623
00:28:18,908 --> 00:28:21,828
may, they may nominate by ward, but they elect at

624
00:28:21,928 --> 00:28:25,498
large. Um, so I think there's...

625
00:28:26,248 --> 00:28:29,528
We would remain an outlier for one councilor per

626
00:28:29,568 --> 00:28:30,548
ward.

627
00:28:30,568 --> 00:28:32,188
But actually, are those

628
00:28:33,028 --> 00:28:34,468
parent councilors,

629
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:37,928
elected at the same time?

630
00:28:38,647 --> 00:28:40,528
No. Generally, they're staggered.

631
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:42,128
Oh, okay. Good.

632
00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:43,138
That's what I thought.

633
00:28:43,368 --> 00:28:44,248
Mm-hmm.

634
00:28:44,468 --> 00:28:48,128
There are certain advantages and reasons why I kind of like the concept of that

635
00:28:48,168 --> 00:28:48,998
model, but...

636
00:28:50,748 --> 00:28:54,588
One of the things I had noticed a few years ago, I was following, city council

637
00:28:54,628 --> 00:28:58,568
elections in Albany, you know, where they have a small number of wards

638
00:28:58,608 --> 00:29:01,908
and it's two per ward. And, and the thing that was,

639
00:29:02,988 --> 00:29:05,988
really out of the ordinary just from my experience

640
00:29:06,028 --> 00:29:09,618
in Corvallis, how much money people were spending on council elections

641
00:29:09,628 --> 00:29:10,208
there.

642
00:29:10,228 --> 00:29:10,258
Mm-hmm.

643
00:29:10,328 --> 00:29:14,168
I, I don't remember the numbers anymore, but it was more like a mayor's

644
00:29:14,208 --> 00:29:16,288
race in Corvallis, that kind of number.

645
00:29:16,328 --> 00:29:16,388
Mm-hmm.

646
00:29:16,428 --> 00:29:19,618
It was number of thousands, you know, and,

647
00:29:21,248 --> 00:29:23,028
and I,

648
00:29:23,888 --> 00:29:27,428
I like the idea that you can, you can, run an, an

649
00:29:27,468 --> 00:29:31,428
effective campaign like Steve was talking about, you know, without

650
00:29:31,468 --> 00:29:32,748
having to spend a lot of money.

651
00:29:32,768 --> 00:29:33,368
Mm-hmm.

652
00:29:33,508 --> 00:29:37,428
Um, so that helps. The, the one question that we haven't touched on that

653
00:29:37,528 --> 00:29:41,228
I would just like to hear, task for- task force

654
00:29:41,328 --> 00:29:44,768
members, talk about a little bit is the

655
00:29:44,948 --> 00:29:48,828
number of count- council members being even or odd, and

656
00:29:48,848 --> 00:29:51,408
its relationship to the mayor's role.

657
00:29:51,688 --> 00:29:51,928
Mm-hmm.

658
00:29:52,648 --> 00:29:56,508
I mean, I, I read the, what it said the strengths and weaknesses of it are,

659
00:29:56,608 --> 00:29:57,688
um. But

660
00:29:58,508 --> 00:30:02,408
I was struck by the comparator cities and how many of them had an even s- number

661
00:30:02,448 --> 00:30:06,388
of council members, with still a mayor that only votes

662
00:30:06,428 --> 00:30:08,088
in a tie. Um-

663
00:30:08,108 --> 00:30:09,888
Yeah, I didn't see that as a particular issue

664
00:30:10,068 --> 00:30:10,918
... so I was wondering.

665
00:30:10,918 --> 00:30:12,448
I would've voted for six.

666
00:30:12,488 --> 00:30:13,148
Ah, good.

667
00:30:13,488 --> 00:30:15,668
Do you think maybe-

668
00:30:15,678 --> 00:30:19,348
Maybe we, you know, to hear from the people who thought seven was a better number.

669
00:30:19,408 --> 00:30:22,488
No, six. I think we said six, seven.

670
00:30:22,548 --> 00:30:23,607
Oh, did we?

671
00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:31,070
Um, yeah, so in this conversation I preferred that I, my opinion

672
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,680
stayed out of it for obvious reasons.

673
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:34,080
Sure.

674
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:34,730
Um, 'cause

675
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:39,440
not voting in the ties is not working already, but so-

676
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,360
So, so I'm, I'm hearing that there was no, "We need to keep

677
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:45,100
this an odd number."

678
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:48,560
We thought there would be a few times that the mayor would have to vote if there

679
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:51,760
was an odd number. That was the primary issue.

680
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,100
I see.

681
00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:54,720
The only one that's been three in three years.

682
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:59,160
Yeah, it wasn't to heal any of us or speak

683
00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:00,359
up.

684
00:31:00,369 --> 00:31:00,369
Right.

685
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,130
It's, you know, it's-

686
00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:02,760
We want to go on that hour.

687
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,780
Yeah. I, I do remember that the task force said six or seven, then we came back

688
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,970
the next meeting and had specific discussion about odd or

689
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,860
even. And it's the reasons that are stated in the summary, and it

690
00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:17,060
really relied on the mayor's voting-

691
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:17,760
Mm-hmm.

692
00:31:17,829 --> 00:31:21,580
And a decision to keep that as an infrequent voter and more of a

693
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,810
neutral facilitator.

694
00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:24,300
Mm-hmm.

695
00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:24,480
Okay.

696
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,460
I found myself thinking, I was looking at this packet and I, I thought I'd

697
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,500
never had before

698
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:34,220
which is maybe I kinda like the idea that the mayor has to break ties

699
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:34,960
more often.

700
00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:35,620
Yeah.

701
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Um-

702
00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:36,820
Mm-hmm.

703
00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:40,790
You know, because it's a different, it's additional engagement on the part of

704
00:31:40,820 --> 00:31:44,180
the mayor and someone we've elected

705
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,600
citywide-

706
00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:45,680
Mm-hmm.

707
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:49,380
As a leader and, and, it gives, more of a

708
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,980
voice to the mayor, more of an active role.

709
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,280
And

710
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,160
I, I certainly understand the impulse to keep it, it primarily as

711
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:58,480
a facilitator-

712
00:31:59,460 --> 00:31:59,470
Mm-hmm.

713
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:01,180
Of, of business. Um,

714
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:03,120
you know,

715
00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:07,170
I would, I would encourage you to just think a little bit more deeply about that,

716
00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:10,440
about whether that's, you know, a priority,

717
00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:15,440
or maybe have a second thoughts about it, and then maybe it would be

718
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,390
good to have a mayor as break ties more.

719
00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:17,550
Sure.

720
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:21,360
I know one of the things we talked about a- throughout the process is we've really

721
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,180
focused on how the mayor's role and the councilor's role

722
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,000
are different. And so when we were talking about the mayor or councilors, that was

723
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,020
something we focused on, was if we went to a six or a, you know, an

724
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,999
even number councilor system, that would make the mayor's role sim- too similar

725
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,820
to that of the councilor. And since we are already factoring in the

726
00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:43,900
difference between being a mayor and being a councilor into a lot of our other

727
00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:47,780
decisions, that's where the focus on seven councilors came from.

728
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:47,950
Yeah.

729
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:48,300
So.

730
00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:48,640
Yeah.

731
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:52,240
I would say looking back at the average votes that the council

732
00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:56,180
takes, it's not too often that it's even close to a

733
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:56,430
tie.

734
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:56,849
Mm-hmm.

735
00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:59,530
Um, even if we were voting, had a different, an even number.

736
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,140
So I don't, I don't think it would increase mayor voting that much, but it

737
00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:05,800
would obviously increase the side of him.

738
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:09,720
Well, could I also... I, I, I just would also chime in that I'm

739
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,680
trying to imagine myself facilitating the meeting and processing all of

740
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,880
the comments and deciding how I'm going to vote on something-

741
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,490
Mm-hmm.

742
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:20,960
Would complicate how I would facilitate the meeting.

743
00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:23,360
I've done it. It doesn't work out.

744
00:33:23,420 --> 00:33:24,620
Sure.

745
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:27,280
Um, so real quick, 'cause we're, we're, we're essentially at time, so I just really

746
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,740
quick wanna go through these questions that are on the screen and have kind of a

747
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:34,400
quick roundtable of councilors provide their,

748
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:36,620
their answers to them essentially.

749
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,400
So number one, do, do, do the recommendations meet

750
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,920
the guiding principles?

751
00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:47,069
Mostly, but not entirely. For other things

752
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,140
we already said.

753
00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:51,900
Yeah. I would say the things that we do.

754
00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:53,840
Anyone else?

755
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:57,050
I would agree with Tony. We may be thinking about differently sides.

756
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:03,200
And number two.

757
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,580
The s- s- similar.

758
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:04,910
So we kinda-

759
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,060
Sort of the same answer.

760
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:07,170
Yeah, we kind of already covered it.

761
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:10,560
I figure, you know, looking at similar cities for other senior quorum maps,

762
00:34:11,801 --> 00:34:15,180
Jim's already expressed he'd prefer not an even n- number of councilors.

763
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:20,540
And then look at other, to see if other cities have term limits, so we kind of,

764
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,781
kind of already answered that. Um, number three, from a governance perspective, do

765
00:34:23,841 --> 00:34:26,301
the draft recommendations work well together?

766
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:29,960
Um, if you tie, pack it in front of you, that starts

767
00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:34,380
on electronic package page six, you can see there's this

768
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,761
potential ballot that measure one, and that's putting number of council positions,

769
00:34:37,841 --> 00:34:40,361
number of wards together. That one's almost just

770
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,940
obvious. Uh, measure two, council term lengths,

771
00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:47,319
staggered/concurrent terms, and election

772
00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:51,460
cycle of councilors, and term

773
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:52,500
lengths, term

774
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:55,560
limits.

775
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,580
And I'll just make a note here. When this group comes back to the city council for

776
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,600
your next work session in May, we'll dive deeper into election strategy

777
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,880
at that point.

778
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:07,070
Mm-hmm.

779
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:09,260
Um, this is more from a, a good governance lens.

780
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Mm-hmm.

781
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,470
Like how do these things look to you?

782
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:15,060
I think the answer is yes.

783
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,500
Yeah.

784
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,680
Yeah.

785
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:17,980
Anyone disagree?

786
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:21,630
No.

787
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:24,730
And before we get into the draft recommendations, address problems the council is

788
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,250
looking to solve. We had a yes earlier from Tony.

789
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,740
Does anyone disagree?

790
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:33,539
No. I'm, I'm still trying to figure out the problem with the term limits and-

791
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Yes, can I have your notes?

792
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:34,830
Yeah.

793
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,400
Your recommendation. So, so it's yes but

794
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:39,860
eh.

795
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,480
It addresses the big one.

796
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,420
Sure. Yes. That's good.

797
00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:46,459
Um, it's the little ones that it solve.

798
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:47,360
The little

799
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:49,260
good problems.

800
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,080
I think that gives us enough to work on, and we'll look at refining,

801
00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:58,020
where we are with that. With those

802
00:35:58,060 --> 00:35:59,580
details, we'll go into a-

803
00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:59,860
Sure.

804
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:00,740
Harder conversation.

805
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Reason one, three-year terms?

806
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,290
Um.

807
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:07,480
Technically, no.

808
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:08,980
Well, how could you do-

809
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,970
Except for the cost election-

810
00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:10,650
The cost of elections

811
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:11,320
In between.

812
00:36:11,380 --> 00:36:12,740
Cost of election, yeah.

813
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:12,990
Yeah.

814
00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:16,340
So you have to pay for the second election. That's really, it's money.

815
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:17,220
Well, the other issue-

816
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:17,990
In turn, yeah

817
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,870
Is it doesn't have staggered. And so, and the whole council would be elected every

818
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,480
three years.

819
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:22,880
Mm-hmm.

820
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,430
And therefore, you'd have that s- turnover issue just like you'd have it currently.

821
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:27,050
Except for the-

822
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,380
So it wouldn't solve that issue

823
00:36:28,792 --> 00:36:29,512
What's that?

824
00:36:29,532 --> 00:36:30,672
It would just be an extra year.

825
00:36:30,952 --> 00:36:33,732
From a technical point, no, there's no reason why you couldn't.

826
00:36:34,892 --> 00:36:36,632
So you didn't consider one-year terms?

827
00:36:36,652 --> 00:36:37,142
Each.

828
00:36:38,292 --> 00:36:38,792
For you-

829
00:36:38,832 --> 00:36:41,772
You be quiet. Donny said-

830
00:36:41,792 --> 00:36:42,832
You're not allowed.

831
00:36:42,872 --> 00:36:44,012
To remove someone-

832
00:36:44,022 --> 00:36:47,392
Someone's gonna write down. Yeah.

833
00:36:48,472 --> 00:36:49,772
No, I think it's done.

834
00:36:50,852 --> 00:36:53,872
Well, thank you all for coming. We appreciate it, and I look forward to-

835
00:36:53,882 --> 00:36:54,632
Thank you very much.

836
00:36:54,672 --> 00:36:58,152
Yeah. Thanks for all your work.

837
00:37:03,972 --> 00:37:06,952
Transition.

838
00:37:06,972 --> 00:37:06,981
Okay.

839
00:37:07,232 --> 00:37:07,622
I drove.

840
00:37:07,622 --> 00:37:08,782
Definitely. Definitely.

841
00:37:09,572 --> 00:37:13,301
Yeah. We're gonna talk next slide on the Safe Streets and Roads for All and

842
00:37:13,332 --> 00:37:14,452
Transportation Safety Action

843
00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:19,392
Plan.

844
00:37:19,752 --> 00:37:20,672
Hold on.

845
00:37:21,852 --> 00:37:34,972
Can

846
00:37:35,132 --> 00:37:35,252
she

847
00:37:35,332 --> 00:37:39,802
give

848
00:37:39,832 --> 00:37:43,202
all of them involved? It depends where I would...

849
00:37:43,212 --> 00:37:45,532
That was when they did the watching their December.

850
00:37:45,732 --> 00:37:46,572
I'm hearing it more

851
00:37:46,792 --> 00:37:49,892
today.

852
00:37:50,312 --> 00:37:52,562
I'll assume I'm just kicking this off to you, Dan.

853
00:37:52,572 --> 00:37:53,072
Excuse me?

854
00:37:53,192 --> 00:37:55,132
I assume I'm just kicking this off to you.

855
00:37:55,252 --> 00:37:57,652
I'm kicking it off to Adam.

856
00:37:57,692 --> 00:37:59,812
Okay. Adam.

857
00:38:00,012 --> 00:38:03,512
All right. Uh, since it got kicked off to me, we'll go ahead and get

858
00:38:03,552 --> 00:38:05,872
started. Thank you so much for having us here today.

859
00:38:05,892 --> 00:38:09,672
I can say the project team is, very excited

860
00:38:09,772 --> 00:38:10,312
to,

861
00:38:11,932 --> 00:38:15,872
be able to come to you and talk about all of the work products that came out

862
00:38:15,952 --> 00:38:19,632
of the SS forty project that we started, almost two years

863
00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:22,592
ago. And, we're just gonna dig right into

864
00:38:22,632 --> 00:38:24,532
it.

865
00:38:25,492 --> 00:38:29,352
So just a quick recap. As you may recall, we got a, we got a very nice grant

866
00:38:29,432 --> 00:38:33,382
from, the federal government, to-- through their Safe Streets and

867
00:38:33,412 --> 00:38:35,652
Roads For All program. And

868
00:38:36,552 --> 00:38:40,272
the, the real, advantage to the city of Corvallis in this is it, it

869
00:38:40,332 --> 00:38:43,882
does really help us moving, moving the

870
00:38:43,952 --> 00:38:47,492
goalposts toward that continuing Vision Zero goal that the

871
00:38:47,532 --> 00:38:51,162
council, put in place through Resolution twenty twenty

872
00:38:51,292 --> 00:38:54,852
sixteen. Priority is safety for all users.

873
00:38:54,872 --> 00:38:58,852
It supports the existing TSP that we have in place that was adopted

874
00:38:58,892 --> 00:39:02,732
several years ago, and it, it identifies

875
00:39:02,852 --> 00:39:06,632
our highest, most severe crash locations, so we can

876
00:39:06,652 --> 00:39:09,912
focus our efforts on that.

877
00:39:12,032 --> 00:39:16,012
So since, since we got to drop over a thousand pages on you- ...uh, you

878
00:39:16,092 --> 00:39:20,082
probably know that there was a lot of, a lot of, work effort put into

879
00:39:20,132 --> 00:39:23,462
this, this project. And, and, you know,

880
00:39:23,512 --> 00:39:26,981
the, the, the big, the big component was the Traffic--

881
00:39:26,992 --> 00:39:30,772
Transportation Safety Action Plan that we're gonna go through with you some today.

882
00:39:30,832 --> 00:39:34,372
In addition to that, we had some supplementa-supplementary planning

883
00:39:34,832 --> 00:39:38,462
projects that we did. We did three road safety audits, Walnut, Circle, and Ninth

884
00:39:38,572 --> 00:39:42,272
Street. We looked at Walnut for a lane reconfiguration

885
00:39:42,352 --> 00:39:46,252
feasibility study. We looked at our neighborhood traffic

886
00:39:46,352 --> 00:39:50,212
management program to get some recommendations on how to potentially improve

887
00:39:50,272 --> 00:39:54,261
that. Same thing with speed limit investigation framework, kind

888
00:39:54,312 --> 00:39:58,112
of looking at recommendations for staff to maybe use some different

889
00:39:58,172 --> 00:40:01,532
tools to help organize speed limit,

890
00:40:02,252 --> 00:40:04,981
looks in the, in the community. We'll go through all of this in the

891
00:40:05,012 --> 00:40:08,832
presentation. And then an-another internal, supplemental

892
00:40:08,912 --> 00:40:12,062
planning effort to give us some,

893
00:40:12,632 --> 00:40:16,352
guidelines around, standardizing some pedestrian treatments

894
00:40:16,412 --> 00:40:18,022
at, at different intersections.

895
00:40:19,492 --> 00:40:22,572
So with that, I'm gonna hand it off to John Bosket with DKS.

896
00:40:22,632 --> 00:40:26,392
Uh, John's helped, was the project manager on this from DKS,

897
00:40:26,512 --> 00:40:29,832
and also was our project manager when we did TSP a few years ago.

898
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:35,502
Hello. Thanks for having me. Um, so I'm gonna give you

899
00:40:35,512 --> 00:40:39,432
an overview, and there's a whole-- almost as many slides as pieces of paper you

900
00:40:39,492 --> 00:40:43,012
got here. So I'm gonna try to move through it quickly.

901
00:40:43,172 --> 00:40:47,162
Um, and I'm ending with the Transportation Safety Action Plan,

902
00:40:47,171 --> 00:40:50,972
or the TSAP, as we call it. That's the only piece of this that,

903
00:40:51,992 --> 00:40:53,812
staff will be coming back next month

904
00:40:54,692 --> 00:40:58,592
and asking you to approve. The rest of the, supplemental planning

905
00:40:58,672 --> 00:41:02,452
activities, are really more internal operational documents for

906
00:41:02,492 --> 00:41:05,852
city staff, but I'm gonna give you an overview of what we, what we did and

907
00:41:06,352 --> 00:41:08,912
kinda what we're hand-we're handing over to them as well.

908
00:41:08,972 --> 00:41:11,332
So I'll go through those first. Um,

909
00:41:12,652 --> 00:41:15,652
and of course, you-- I actually got a little bit of a process overview

910
00:41:15,752 --> 00:41:19,652
first. Uh, as I go, you can ask questions at

911
00:41:19,692 --> 00:41:23,592
any time, but, I'll make, I'll make a point to pause as I kinda hit the

912
00:41:23,672 --> 00:41:26,602
breaks between each of those items too, just to see if there are any

913
00:41:26,632 --> 00:41:30,412
questions. Um, so first is kinda the

914
00:41:30,492 --> 00:41:33,012
overall SS four A project timeline.

915
00:41:33,052 --> 00:41:36,932
Again, we had all these kinda one big project and

916
00:41:37,012 --> 00:41:40,592
so a bunch of mini supplemental projects going kind of all at the same time.

917
00:41:40,632 --> 00:41:43,822
We started in, I think it was November of, twenty

918
00:41:43,932 --> 00:41:47,252
twenty-four. This is about a seventeen-month-ish

919
00:41:47,332 --> 00:41:51,132
process. We went through kind of those different phases that, that are

920
00:41:51,172 --> 00:41:54,292
shown at the top of the diagram, where first we spent some time just

921
00:41:54,332 --> 00:41:58,252
understanding, what are the crash issues, where do people feel

922
00:41:58,332 --> 00:42:01,872
unsafe, really understanding what the problems are, and

923
00:42:01,932 --> 00:42:05,922
then, working with the task force and analyzing the data and listening to

924
00:42:05,992 --> 00:42:09,732
the community feedback to, identify

925
00:42:09,852 --> 00:42:13,692
high-priority locations, develop solutions for those, and refine

926
00:42:13,732 --> 00:42:16,632
those, and ultimately develop our plan.

927
00:42:16,652 --> 00:42:20,212
What you see is in the middle, we had, six meetings with our task

928
00:42:20,292 --> 00:42:23,692
force and two major kinda milestones for public

929
00:42:23,752 --> 00:42:25,952
outreach.

930
00:42:27,892 --> 00:42:31,572
Uh, so just kind of a brief word on just the overall public

931
00:42:31,652 --> 00:42:35,424
engagement process.Um, you know,

932
00:42:35,504 --> 00:42:39,284
obviously a big part of this is one of the, the federal requirements of doing this

933
00:42:40,164 --> 00:42:43,964
is we want to make sure we're getting community input, not only on kind of what the

934
00:42:43,984 --> 00:42:47,694
challenges and issues are, but then on the types of

935
00:42:47,784 --> 00:42:49,254
solutions that we're, we're

936
00:42:49,304 --> 00:42:52,814
recommending. And,

937
00:42:54,024 --> 00:42:56,904
we really attempted to engage the community

938
00:42:56,944 --> 00:43:00,504
in a lot of different ways and kind of changing up our approach as we went to make

939
00:43:00,544 --> 00:43:04,204
it more effective. Had a lot of good help from your public information

940
00:43:04,284 --> 00:43:08,104
officer, from your task force members, and, you know, Benton County and else

941
00:43:08,184 --> 00:43:12,064
to really, I think, reach, a lot of different groups in the

942
00:43:12,104 --> 00:43:15,164
community. Uh, there was tools like, you know, there was a project

943
00:43:15,264 --> 00:43:19,104
website, you know, email lists,

944
00:43:19,744 --> 00:43:21,744
a number of different newsletters, press

945
00:43:21,844 --> 00:43:25,224
releases, flyers were distributed over twenty

946
00:43:25,284 --> 00:43:29,204
locations. Uh, we even had an ad at the Majestic Theatre, which is

947
00:43:29,244 --> 00:43:32,504
shown there in the, the picture. Uh, we had ads,

948
00:43:32,844 --> 00:43:36,044
inside on, on the buses on the interior monitors.

949
00:43:36,084 --> 00:43:40,064
Oregon State University was really helpful in helping outreach to students,

950
00:43:40,314 --> 00:43:44,044
as well, and social media, and then there were, six different

951
00:43:44,104 --> 00:43:46,344
tabling events, that we used to get

952
00:43:46,424 --> 00:43:49,984
input. And as I mentioned, there were two

953
00:43:50,064 --> 00:43:53,964
major kind of milestones where we were really trying to engage the community, and

954
00:43:54,344 --> 00:43:58,164
the first one was, again, just getting an understanding of,

955
00:43:58,924 --> 00:44:01,194
what, what transportation safety issues they were

956
00:44:01,224 --> 00:44:05,144
encountering. And, we had an interactive online comment map that's shown there

957
00:44:05,164 --> 00:44:08,774
in the, the upper right, that got a lot of activity.

958
00:44:08,804 --> 00:44:12,064
There were over sixty-five hundred, views on the comment map

959
00:44:12,784 --> 00:44:15,304
and over eight hundred, submissions.

960
00:44:15,424 --> 00:44:15,784
Um,

961
00:44:16,604 --> 00:44:20,484
and, in addition to that, we had an in-person, open house and

962
00:44:20,504 --> 00:44:24,124
an online open house. The in-person open house was at the library.

963
00:44:24,184 --> 00:44:27,864
Uh, it was very well-attended. Um, and then there was a Corvallis

964
00:44:27,924 --> 00:44:31,684
Town Hall, Sustainability Town Hall and Fair, you know, open

965
00:44:31,784 --> 00:44:34,264
streets. We had, you know, a pop-up tent.

966
00:44:34,364 --> 00:44:38,344
Um, task force meetings, and then, a public works and focus

967
00:44:38,404 --> 00:44:40,684
group with, parents at Garfield

968
00:44:41,564 --> 00:44:43,124
and Lincoln Elementaries.

969
00:44:44,244 --> 00:44:48,144
And then the second round, this would have been fall/winter twenty

970
00:44:48,244 --> 00:44:50,384
twenty-five, twenty twenty-six.

971
00:44:50,444 --> 00:44:54,364
This was where we came back with, some draft solutions, and those

972
00:44:54,404 --> 00:44:58,144
were kind of framed up as, some high-priority projects,

973
00:44:58,564 --> 00:45:02,454
a-as well as kind of some, overarching strategies that the, the

974
00:45:02,504 --> 00:45:06,493
city could pursue. Uh, and again, really had

975
00:45:06,504 --> 00:45:09,074
an in-person, online open house again.

976
00:45:09,164 --> 00:45:13,004
Um, more tabling events. There was a, a mayoral town hall where

977
00:45:13,024 --> 00:45:16,944
this was discussed. Uh, Corvallis had more

978
00:45:17,064 --> 00:45:19,964
pop-ups, the Corvallis Farmers Market, as well as their task force

979
00:45:20,044 --> 00:45:23,984
meetings. Uh, and, we had an online survey as part

980
00:45:24,044 --> 00:45:27,493
of the online open house to try to, you know, get more input. Yes.

981
00:45:27,924 --> 00:45:31,464
Do you know why the engagement dropped so much between these two rounds?

982
00:45:32,304 --> 00:45:35,644
Um, the, the, the open houses were similar.

983
00:45:35,664 --> 00:45:37,954
They're still pretty good on just in the in-person open house.

984
00:45:37,964 --> 00:45:41,424
They've got that online comment map where people could go and say, "Yeah, I have a

985
00:45:41,464 --> 00:45:44,364
problem here, I have a problem, I have a problem here." Uh,

986
00:45:45,324 --> 00:45:47,944
very popular. Yeah. Um,

987
00:45:50,184 --> 00:45:52,824
yeah, I think the, the engagement I felt was pretty good.

988
00:45:52,844 --> 00:45:56,204
It's just, it was-- it's really extensive, very effective the first

989
00:45:56,224 --> 00:45:57,664
time. Um-

990
00:45:57,704 --> 00:45:58,394
That map.

991
00:45:58,544 --> 00:46:00,644
Yeah. So I don't think it was really... Yeah, I think that was the big thing.

992
00:46:00,664 --> 00:46:01,534
It was the online comment map-

993
00:46:01,534 --> 00:46:01,534
Yeah.

994
00:46:01,534 --> 00:46:03,084
-that really got a lot of attention.

995
00:46:03,644 --> 00:46:06,584
And once you put your comment on the map, you feel like you're done.

996
00:46:06,664 --> 00:46:06,784
Yeah.

997
00:46:06,824 --> 00:46:08,224
You've done your first level.

998
00:46:09,204 --> 00:46:10,354
People like to be questioned.

999
00:46:11,424 --> 00:46:14,604
I put on a positive comment just to balance it out.

1000
00:46:16,224 --> 00:46:16,864
That's where that one.

1001
00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:23,644
The one about Harrison, the really nice paving job, that was me.

1002
00:46:25,164 --> 00:46:25,464
Um,

1003
00:46:26,344 --> 00:46:30,104
another note is Benton County, received a similar

1004
00:46:30,184 --> 00:46:33,284
grant, so they were doing a transportation safety action plan at the same

1005
00:46:33,364 --> 00:46:37,284
time. And, we really made a point to coordinate the

1006
00:46:37,344 --> 00:46:41,174
two projects very heavily, just for efficiency of work and

1007
00:46:41,244 --> 00:46:41,874
resources.

1008
00:46:42,764 --> 00:46:46,304
Also, just to make this, easier to follow by the public, so they get confused

1009
00:46:46,344 --> 00:46:50,224
by two different TSAPs going on at the same time in the same area.

1010
00:46:50,344 --> 00:46:54,024
Um, and hopefully to, you know, we find some synergy to strengthen,

1011
00:46:55,044 --> 00:46:57,264
applications for grants in the future.

1012
00:46:58,664 --> 00:47:02,104
Um, there's some key ways. Probably the, one of the most prominent ways we did this

1013
00:47:02,224 --> 00:47:05,404
is the, the project managers for the city and the county projects

1014
00:47:05,464 --> 00:47:09,444
were, on each other's project management teams, and we, we literally met

1015
00:47:09,504 --> 00:47:13,204
every week, and discussed, issues, upcoming

1016
00:47:13,214 --> 00:47:17,164
tasks, and kind of collaborated on, on solutions.

1017
00:47:17,244 --> 00:47:21,004
Schedules were aligned. In fact, I was presenting to the board of commissioners,

1018
00:47:21,084 --> 00:47:24,624
having this discussion, just on Tuesday, so we're hopefully ending at the same

1019
00:47:24,684 --> 00:47:28,584
time. Shared all of our data. Analysis was done at the

1020
00:47:28,644 --> 00:47:32,064
same time. And again, the public engagement was heavily coordinated, so they had

1021
00:47:32,084 --> 00:47:36,074
the same two major milestones, and we did advertisements together and

1022
00:47:36,224 --> 00:47:39,524
really shared some events just to try to make it easier for people

1023
00:47:39,584 --> 00:47:42,424
to not have to go to two different places to provide

1024
00:47:42,484 --> 00:47:45,424
comments.

1025
00:47:46,884 --> 00:47:50,844
On our project task force, so they were definitely our,

1026
00:47:50,904 --> 00:47:54,764
our, our sounding board and provided, really good feedback and

1027
00:47:54,844 --> 00:47:58,004
guidance, especially at key decision points.

1028
00:47:58,124 --> 00:47:58,644
Um,

1029
00:47:59,704 --> 00:48:02,944
and, really kind of helped provide, the local

1030
00:48:03,044 --> 00:48:05,784
perspective on, on the safety plan.

1031
00:48:05,884 --> 00:48:09,764
Uh, so this, we had a number of kind of really pivotal ways, you know,

1032
00:48:09,784 --> 00:48:13,244
when we, had to create prioritization criteria, right?

1033
00:48:13,284 --> 00:48:16,934
To come up with our high-priority locations and figure out where, where sh-should

1034
00:48:17,004 --> 00:48:20,764
we invest first. Uh, they gave us a lot of good feedback

1035
00:48:20,844 --> 00:48:24,404
on, on that. Uh, helped us really narrow that list down,

1036
00:48:24,464 --> 00:48:26,994
identify the priority spots and,

1037
00:48:28,164 --> 00:48:32,104
strategies to pursue. Um, gave us great feedback on the projects

1038
00:48:32,124 --> 00:48:35,804
themselves. Um, helped us with public

1039
00:48:35,884 --> 00:48:39,864
engagement, and then even refining the final copy, we sent that

1040
00:48:39,904 --> 00:48:40,204
back to

1041
00:48:40,244 --> 00:48:44,220
them.On our

1042
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:48,080
final meeting, the task force members, did, unanimously

1043
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,060
support our plan with, with one note I added at the bottom.

1044
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,940
They had one thing they wanted us to change, and we took care of that on page

1045
00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:58,800
thirty. And that was-- One thing I'll note when we get to the, the TSAP is it has a

1046
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,830
big emphasis on lower cost things you could do fairly quickly because we want to

1047
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,980
make change fast.

1048
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:08,540
Um, but there was some concern that because of that, we wanted to be clear that we

1049
00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:12,200
weren't precluding higher cost projects that still have a lot of safety benefits,

1050
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,490
you know, like, you're, you know, doing roundabouts at intersections or

1051
00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:19,420
protected bike facilities. And so we ha-- Which is not

1052
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:21,700
the intent of the plan is to preclude that stuff.

1053
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:24,680
So we talked more about that on page thirty, and,

1054
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,440
which I will talk about later in the, the presentation.

1055
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,460
So we addre-addressed that. Uh, and they also,

1056
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,400
passed a motion, which was the top, paragraph I

1057
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:39,960
have there that I'll share with you.

1058
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:43,940
Uh, and that was, "The members of the SS4A Task Force request that

1059
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:47,560
the City Council prioritize funding and construction of the

1060
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,380
safety enhancements identified in the TSAP such that the

1061
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,800
treatments are prioritized to the fullest extent

1062
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,700
possible."

1063
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:03,660
I will pause before I get into the first of the supplemental planning

1064
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:05,460
activities.

1065
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,920
I'll move forward. Uh-

1066
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:14,880
I was confused by that statement that you just read, the task force

1067
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,320
made.

1068
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,600
I, I can probably clarify that-

1069
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:18,710
Yeah

1070
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:22,320
... Councilor. I-- The-- There was some pretty good

1071
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,120
discussion around the task force definitely, definitely wanted to emphasize

1072
00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:30,040
support for the TSAP and to encourage the City

1073
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:34,010
Council to prioritize, completion of

1074
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,580
the projects. And I think maybe where it says, maybe the

1075
00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:40,360
confusing part is to the fullest extent possible.

1076
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:43,040
And then I think that really refers back to the funding component-

1077
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:43,400
Uh-huh

1078
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,520
... where the-- there was,

1079
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:50,620
a lot of discussion that the task force wasn't intending to

1080
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:53,460
direct the City Council how to spend City Council

1081
00:50:53,499 --> 00:50:57,440
resources. It was just the resources that

1082
00:50:57,460 --> 00:50:59,380
the council deemed available for

1083
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,950
safety improvements to look to the TSAP to

1084
00:51:04,020 --> 00:51:04,849
prioritize those.

1085
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:05,080
Okay.

1086
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:07,140
So there was, there was a, a definite...

1087
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:11,480
They, they, they didn't wanna overstep, how the council s-spends the

1088
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:15,440
resources, but they, the resources that were, the council would deem

1089
00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:19,380
appropriate to spend on transportation safety, they, they wanted to emphasize

1090
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:23,280
u-using the TSAP as a resource on where to put, where to put those funds.

1091
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:26,600
I understand. Code word for don't get too creative with it.

1092
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,160
We did a lot of hard work, and these are the priorities we found.

1093
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:31,120
Something like that?

1094
00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:32,580
Well, so I think-

1095
00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:33,950
Something, yeah.

1096
00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:36,860
Where we, we had a similar discussion with the task force-

1097
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:37,260
Okay

1098
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:41,140
... which is what I've had with you all, where, you know, we went

1099
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:45,090
through an effort a couple years back now, to

1100
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:49,100
identify priorities for funding in the transportation system.

1101
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Mm-hmm.

1102
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,590
And as I've, as I've told you all before, we're getting a

1103
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,460
lot of new information now, whether it be this TSAP or

1104
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,300
signal investment plans or our bridge investment plans or some of the supplemental

1105
00:52:01,340 --> 00:52:05,250
planning activities. There's a whole other conversation that has to

1106
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,520
happen around, how much money do we

1107
00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:11,780
have? What are we gonna prioritize for investment?

1108
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,610
We have restrictions on different funds and those sorts of things, and what are we

1109
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,960
gonna try to accomplish.

1110
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:20,200
And that's obviously not within the task

1111
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,360
force, purview.

1112
00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:22,470
I see.

1113
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:25,320
Uh, that's council's, and they're just respecting that boundary.

1114
00:52:25,330 --> 00:52:25,330
Okay.

1115
00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:26,880
The council needs to go through that.

1116
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:27,210
Okay.

1117
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:31,180
They like what's in the plan. They see the, the need to invest in the

1118
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:32,140
safety improvements,

1119
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,880
and they are endorsing what's proposed, but they recognize that they

1120
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,040
don't have all the information.

1121
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:38,430
Okay. I see.

1122
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,080
And council has more. And on the second part, it's, it's

1123
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,420
just, they wanted inclusion of an acknowledgement

1124
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:46,440
that,

1125
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:51,930
there are other investments that can be made at a larger scale that

1126
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,890
might have even greater safety benefits, and that's not necessarily

1127
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,629
what's, what's identified in the plan.

1128
00:52:57,660 --> 00:52:59,680
So just as John said, clarifying that

1129
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,060
the improvements that are identified in, in there

1130
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,060
don't pro-- don't prevent or preclude the council from going above and beyond that.

1131
00:53:08,140 --> 00:53:09,960
I see. Okay. Thank you.

1132
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,500
Yeah.

1133
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:15,060
So they understand the work is within this greater-

1134
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:15,130
Yes

1135
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:16,220
... work the city's doing-

1136
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:16,720
Correct

1137
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:20,550
... whether it's paving local streets or bridges or signal, all of

1138
00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:21,120
them.

1139
00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:21,440
Yeah.

1140
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:21,740
Yeah.

1141
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:22,770
Yeah.

1142
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,780
We would really like to put a lot of money on this.

1143
00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:28,430
Yeah.

1144
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,560
As, as the task force.

1145
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:34,940
All right. The first of the five supplemental planning activities,

1146
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,900
road safety audits or RSAs. So we did

1147
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,250
three of these. Uh, it was Ninth Street, Walnut

1148
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,760
Boulevard, and Circle Boulevard.

1149
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,610
And road safety audits, it's, it's, it's a very kind of defined pr-prescribed

1150
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:52,320
process by, USDOT. And,

1151
00:53:52,780 --> 00:53:55,660
so we very much patterned our approach after that prescribed

1152
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:59,620
process. And these are really gonna focus, technical

1153
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,600
efforts where we, you know, pull together a, a multidisciplinary team.

1154
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,740
In, in this case, we're really leaning on, public works, police,

1155
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,460
fire department, ODOT participated, Corvallis School District.

1156
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:15,110
We even invited a few Oregon State University students out of the,

1157
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,980
civil engineering department.

1158
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,460
They're interested in transportation to participate in these as

1159
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,110
well. But, what they're really doing is they're just-- they're

1160
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,050
walking the corridor pretty much all day, so they can see what's

1161
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:29,880
happening at different times of day.

1162
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,060
And they're looking at safety issues, and potential

1163
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:37,720
fixes, through the lens of all the different users.

1164
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:41,280
So whether you're, you're walking, biking, rolling, using transit, driving down the

1165
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,050
corridor, you know, being there different times of day gives them the

1166
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,040
advantage. If you have things like schools, you can see what's happening when

1167
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,989
schools are, you know, getting in or letting out, which you might not see if you're

1168
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,420
only there for a couple of hours.

1169
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:53,220
Mm-hmm.

1170
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,440
Um, but it's a lot of qualitative assessment.

1171
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,206
So they're, they're not-Out there collecting data and analyzing it.

1172
00:54:59,216 --> 00:55:01,936
They're not, doing alternatives analysis.

1173
00:55:01,996 --> 00:55:05,236
It's, it's-- and they're really usually emphasizing

1174
00:55:06,296 --> 00:55:10,056
kind of the low-hanging fruit and lower-cost solutions that the city can get

1175
00:55:10,076 --> 00:55:12,896
done quickly.

1176
00:55:14,896 --> 00:55:17,376
Is it acting up?

1177
00:55:18,476 --> 00:55:18,976
Oh.

1178
00:55:18,986 --> 00:55:22,956
There we go. Um, and kinda one note,

1179
00:55:23,016 --> 00:55:23,166
these,

1180
00:55:24,536 --> 00:55:27,736
the, the recommendations that you may have seen in the road safety

1181
00:55:27,876 --> 00:55:29,736
audits, they're, they're preliminary.

1182
00:55:29,756 --> 00:55:33,476
So what those are, they're really recommendations from these groups back to the

1183
00:55:33,556 --> 00:55:37,246
city. And as I'll touch on later, this--

1184
00:55:37,256 --> 00:55:40,696
the city still needs to go through that l- those lists

1185
00:55:41,196 --> 00:55:45,036
and kind of vet those ideas, because some of them may not be feasible for different

1186
00:55:45,096 --> 00:55:49,076
reasons, and identify kind of which ones they think they can move

1187
00:55:49,156 --> 00:55:52,976
forward and hopefully incorporate into maybe, you know, CIP projects

1188
00:55:53,036 --> 00:55:56,976
coming up, and which ones just may not be, they might not be

1189
00:55:57,016 --> 00:55:58,136
able to do.

1190
00:55:59,196 --> 00:55:59,896
Um,

1191
00:56:00,796 --> 00:56:01,116
let's

1192
00:56:01,126 --> 00:56:05,816
see.

1193
00:56:08,376 --> 00:56:10,876
Where'd it go? So, quick highlights,

1194
00:56:12,376 --> 00:56:15,616
on some of the findings, and these, they're similar findings.

1195
00:56:15,756 --> 00:56:19,116
Um, I mean, they're all arterial corridors with still a lot of similar

1196
00:56:19,156 --> 00:56:22,476
issues. But, in Ninth Street, you'll see

1197
00:56:22,516 --> 00:56:26,356
recommendations in there. There's corridor-wide things like, you

1198
00:56:26,376 --> 00:56:30,356
know, access management, which can be, trying to eliminate conflicts between

1199
00:56:30,376 --> 00:56:31,936
all the driveways that are out there.

1200
00:56:32,036 --> 00:56:35,896
Um, no specific solutions, it's just a general recommendation to

1201
00:56:35,916 --> 00:56:39,716
improve it. Um, curb extensions to shorten

1202
00:56:39,756 --> 00:56:42,076
crossings on select side streets.

1203
00:56:42,176 --> 00:56:45,816
Uh, things like, doing leading pedestrian intervals at

1204
00:56:45,876 --> 00:56:49,256
traffic signals, which is basically when you get a walk signal, it's giving the

1205
00:56:49,296 --> 00:56:52,956
pedestrian a few seconds head start before the light turns green-

1206
00:56:52,966 --> 00:56:55,916
-hard, so they can establish their presence and be

1207
00:56:55,936 --> 00:56:59,886
seen. Um, and, possibly even looking at,

1208
00:57:00,216 --> 00:57:03,846
a lane reconfiguration, in, on part of

1209
00:57:03,936 --> 00:57:05,956
Ninth Street.

1210
00:57:07,696 --> 00:57:11,276
Um, and then more specifically in each, in each of these road safety

1211
00:57:11,376 --> 00:57:14,936
audits, the application-specific recommendations are

1212
00:57:14,996 --> 00:57:18,076
separated into low, medium, and high complexity.

1213
00:57:18,096 --> 00:57:20,896
And again, you know, the low complexity are things that are probably easier to get

1214
00:57:20,936 --> 00:57:24,716
done quickly. When you get to the, the high complexity, more

1215
00:57:24,836 --> 00:57:28,726
challenging, maybe more costly. Um, some of those may be things that,

1216
00:57:29,256 --> 00:57:32,596
might need to get referred to, a transportation system plan update or

1217
00:57:32,656 --> 00:57:36,096
something like that. Like a, things that go on there, like there might be,

1218
00:57:36,236 --> 00:57:39,616
consider doing a roundabout in an intersection at some point in the future.

1219
00:57:41,436 --> 00:57:45,236
Um, so low complexity stuff you'll see, like at Ninth Street, it's typically things

1220
00:57:45,316 --> 00:57:47,456
like it could be restriping, signing improvements.

1221
00:57:47,476 --> 00:57:50,776
Here's adding bicycle conflict markings at, at some

1222
00:57:50,816 --> 00:57:54,456
locations. Um, medium complexity

1223
00:57:54,576 --> 00:57:58,396
things, this o- in this one it was between Garfield and

1224
00:57:58,476 --> 00:58:01,596
Spruce, adding a mid-block crossing.

1225
00:58:01,716 --> 00:58:05,685
Um, and high complexity, this was,

1226
00:58:06,376 --> 00:58:10,316
like sidewalk, cur- you know, and ramp improvements which can affect

1227
00:58:10,356 --> 00:58:12,936
drainage, and that gets a little more complicated, might be harder to

1228
00:58:12,976 --> 00:58:14,836
do.

1229
00:58:14,916 --> 00:58:15,836
Okay.

1230
00:58:16,016 --> 00:58:19,465
Uh, Circle Boulevard, similar types of things.

1231
00:58:19,476 --> 00:58:22,276
You know, the curb extensions on side streets again.

1232
00:58:22,376 --> 00:58:25,936
Um, improving traffic signal hardware, so that's usually lower

1233
00:58:26,036 --> 00:58:29,536
cost things you can do, just to kinda make sure that maybe they're up to

1234
00:58:29,616 --> 00:58:32,676
standard or maybe the, the latest safety practices,

1235
00:58:32,796 --> 00:58:36,436
recommendations. Um, and, adding,

1236
00:58:36,976 --> 00:58:40,376
having hardened, hardened center line to prevent left turns.

1237
00:58:40,396 --> 00:58:43,816
So again, this is kinda the access management, trying to eliminate some

1238
00:58:43,876 --> 00:58:45,986
conflicts with maybe signals and

1239
00:58:46,036 --> 00:58:49,176
driveways. And again,

1240
00:58:49,216 --> 00:58:52,016
location-specific. Again, it's the lower cost stuff.

1241
00:58:52,136 --> 00:58:55,736
Signal repair, signing upgrades, some green striping in

1242
00:58:55,976 --> 00:58:59,136
bi-bicycle conflict zones. The medium

1243
00:58:59,216 --> 00:59:02,956
complexity is evaluate, removing eastbound left turns

1244
00:59:03,056 --> 00:59:06,826
and to add a pedestrian median refuge island to the marked

1245
00:59:06,826 --> 00:59:08,336
crossing at Seventeen.

1246
00:59:08,356 --> 00:59:08,696
Mm-hmm.

1247
00:59:08,736 --> 00:59:12,665
Again, like a lot of these, more investigation needs to happen

1248
00:59:12,696 --> 00:59:15,426
to make sure that there aren't other consequences or it's feasible.

1249
00:59:15,436 --> 00:59:19,016
But that's just a recommendation for the group to look into.

1250
00:59:19,136 --> 00:59:22,376
Uh, and again, you know, higher complexity is replacing all way stop control at

1251
00:59:22,416 --> 00:59:24,545
Twenty-ninth with like a signal or a roundabout.

1252
00:59:24,596 --> 00:59:27,476
Obviously that's a much bigger project.

1253
00:59:28,436 --> 00:59:32,156
Uh, in Walnut Boulevard, a-again,

1254
00:59:32,296 --> 00:59:35,956
corridor-wide recommendations again could be opportunities for leading

1255
00:59:36,036 --> 00:59:38,536
pedestrian intervals at those signals.

1256
00:59:38,636 --> 00:59:42,596
Uh, some opportunity to improve street lighting, curb extensions on

1257
00:59:42,676 --> 00:59:45,536
to short crossings on some side streets.

1258
00:59:45,656 --> 00:59:49,546
Uh, and then obviously this is the next topic coming up, is, further

1259
00:59:49,596 --> 00:59:52,496
evaluation of, trade-offs associated with lane

1260
00:59:52,536 --> 00:59:56,376
reconfiguration, where you'd have one vehicle lane in each direction instead

1261
00:59:56,436 --> 00:59:58,136
of two.

1262
00:59:59,296 --> 01:00:03,256
Uh, and then some of the location-specific things, down

1263
01:00:03,296 --> 01:00:06,346
towards the, the east end, there may be an opportunity to restripe to create

1264
01:00:06,356 --> 01:00:10,076
buffered bike lanes, from Circle to Jack London.

1265
01:00:10,146 --> 01:00:13,396
As you get more complex, there's some

1266
01:00:13,456 --> 01:00:17,235
reconfiguring of the north leg of Aspen Street, so it matches the, the

1267
01:00:17,316 --> 01:00:21,196
south side. Uh, and higher complexity, again, that's where we

1268
01:00:21,236 --> 01:00:24,856
get into, you know, you need to replace a signal someday, consider doing a

1269
01:00:24,876 --> 01:00:26,256
protected intersection or a

1270
01:00:26,396 --> 01:00:29,296
roundabout.

1271
01:00:30,736 --> 01:00:34,496
Uh, and so kinda the next steps for the road safety audits, as I mentioned before,

1272
01:00:35,056 --> 01:00:38,436
staff have those recommendations, so they need to go through and kinda,

1273
01:00:38,476 --> 01:00:42,416
kinda vet those and provide a formal response letters, kind of, you

1274
01:00:42,456 --> 01:00:46,276
know, indicating which of those they think they can implement and maybe

1275
01:00:46,356 --> 01:00:49,926
integrate into some future projects and which ones they may not be able

1276
01:00:49,956 --> 01:00:51,876
to.

1277
01:00:54,356 --> 01:00:56,816
Pausing briefly before I move on.

1278
01:00:56,856 --> 01:01:00,596
So I've noticed patterns in your recommendations.

1279
01:01:00,676 --> 01:01:04,036
Um, could we safely assume that those patterned

1280
01:01:04,116 --> 01:01:07,736
recommendations could then also be applied to other streets that you didn't do the

1281
01:01:07,776 --> 01:01:11,196
road safety audit on, just, just good practice?

1282
01:01:12,328 --> 01:01:16,188
They certainly could, yeah. Yeah, it's kinda, similar to some of the

1283
01:01:16,248 --> 01:01:19,768
necessary strategies we'll talk about later, where there's sometimes there's just,

1284
01:01:19,788 --> 01:01:23,288
there's safety improvements you can do that are low cost, but you can apply them to

1285
01:01:23,328 --> 01:01:25,668
a broad spectrum of places.

1286
01:01:25,688 --> 01:01:29,408
Mm-hmm. Because there were-- there's definitely streets that you didn't

1287
01:01:29,448 --> 01:01:30,168
do.

1288
01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:30,308
Mm-hmm.

1289
01:01:30,368 --> 01:01:33,618
And I can see some of these applying just as nicely as

1290
01:01:33,628 --> 01:01:34,368
that.

1291
01:01:34,468 --> 01:01:34,728
Um-

1292
01:01:34,748 --> 01:01:37,848
Yes. And one of the distinctions is you're doing a

1293
01:01:37,888 --> 01:01:39,488
multi-lane-

1294
01:01:39,548 --> 01:01:40,468
Arterials

1295
01:01:40,478 --> 01:01:44,068
... arterials list. So that you're seeing that one, seeing consistent

1296
01:01:44,128 --> 01:01:46,128
recommendations for a consistent-

1297
01:01:46,168 --> 01:01:46,308
Yeah

1298
01:01:46,388 --> 01:01:47,528
... category of street.

1299
01:01:47,548 --> 01:01:49,148
Mm-hmm.

1300
01:01:49,228 --> 01:01:52,468
Uh, one comment on the... Well, that's an

1301
01:01:52,508 --> 01:01:54,538
interesting street. Um,

1302
01:01:55,988 --> 01:01:58,548
seems like-- I, I think there's a, there's a real,

1303
01:02:00,808 --> 01:02:04,048
like to s- see, us address it very holistically,

1304
01:02:04,128 --> 01:02:07,508
the safety challenges. Because all, well, that's not

1305
01:02:07,608 --> 01:02:10,968
particular, right? People don't feel safe, that's for

1306
01:02:11,028 --> 01:02:12,418
sure. Maybe.

1307
01:02:13,568 --> 01:02:13,888
Um,

1308
01:02:15,268 --> 01:02:18,868
when we look at the, transportation safety

1309
01:02:19,148 --> 01:02:21,858
action plan, Walnut doesn't show up super

1310
01:02:21,928 --> 01:02:25,808
high. Uh, but it seems to me that in Walnut in

1311
01:02:25,868 --> 01:02:29,738
particular, the challenge of,

1312
01:02:30,328 --> 01:02:32,568
this, the further analysis that was talked

1313
01:02:32,648 --> 01:02:36,568
about, I think needs to happen, about

1314
01:02:37,288 --> 01:02:40,568
how do you, how do you address congestion,

1315
01:02:40,968 --> 01:02:44,478
traffic safety, road con- reconfiguration, et cetera.

1316
01:02:44,548 --> 01:02:48,048
I think that kind of further analysis does need

1317
01:02:48,108 --> 01:02:49,948
to, to happen.

1318
01:02:50,368 --> 01:02:53,948
There'll be an opportunity. So as far as

1319
01:02:55,348 --> 01:02:59,208
they were reviewing the documents, and we'll accept TSAP, it's

1320
01:02:59,248 --> 01:03:02,768
not an action to take on, on the supplemental planning activities, but

1321
01:03:02,828 --> 01:03:03,988
there, there will be a

1322
01:03:04,968 --> 01:03:08,448
conversation later about, you know, you only have so many

1323
01:03:08,508 --> 01:03:10,408
staff, and you only have

1324
01:03:11,268 --> 01:03:13,728
so much money to do whatever work you wanna do.

1325
01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:17,508
And if you decided that, you know, the benefit of a TSAP is

1326
01:03:17,568 --> 01:03:19,308
it's, it's a data-driven-

1327
01:03:19,348 --> 01:03:19,648
Yeah

1328
01:03:19,668 --> 01:03:21,588
... exercise, identifying safety.

1329
01:03:21,628 --> 01:03:25,008
If you decided that something else that,

1330
01:03:26,248 --> 01:03:28,788
has a, a legitimate safety

1331
01:03:28,828 --> 01:03:32,348
benefit, but didn't yet have, the

1332
01:03:32,448 --> 01:03:36,418
accidents associated with them was a higher priority to focus on than

1333
01:03:36,448 --> 01:03:40,268
the areas that are already experiencing accidents, you can do that.

1334
01:03:40,308 --> 01:03:44,128
Or you might say, "We need to invest in signals, or we need to do more

1335
01:03:44,348 --> 01:03:47,958
safety work." That, that'll be a future conversation, and, and you will

1336
01:03:48,708 --> 01:03:52,128
have that opportunity to prioritize and provide some guidance.

1337
01:03:52,168 --> 01:03:56,128
Yeah. Okay. So to be clear, I wasn't suggesting we prioritize.

1338
01:03:56,168 --> 01:03:59,248
I think the TSAP is, is a great place to

1339
01:03:59,348 --> 01:04:02,648
start, and I just was commenting that Walnut as a

1340
01:04:03,228 --> 01:04:06,608
particular... I wouldn't, I wouldn't want us to see-- to do some things that appear

1341
01:04:06,648 --> 01:04:10,268
to be low-hanging fruit, but were just likely we looked at a

1342
01:04:10,488 --> 01:04:12,538
bigger experiment throwaway investment.

1343
01:04:12,888 --> 01:04:16,708
Yeah. Absolutely.

1344
01:04:18,968 --> 01:04:22,848
Speaking of Walnut Boulevard, so the, the

1345
01:04:22,988 --> 01:04:26,368
next supplemental planning activity, was a

1346
01:04:26,508 --> 01:04:29,988
feasibility assessment of doing a lane

1347
01:04:30,048 --> 01:04:33,128
reconfiguration on Walnut Boulevard.

1348
01:04:33,148 --> 01:04:36,488
And so, a-again, I'll emphasize, it's like if you, if you read this, there are no

1349
01:04:36,548 --> 01:04:39,638
specific recommendations, and I'm sure there are a lot more questions that have to

1350
01:04:39,638 --> 01:04:43,328
be answered. This is really taking that first step and saying, you know,

1351
01:04:43,648 --> 01:04:46,448
kinda like, is this fatally flawed? Does this look like it could work?

1352
01:04:46,488 --> 01:04:48,348
Is it, you know, worth further conversation,

1353
01:04:48,368 --> 01:04:50,488
potentially?

1354
01:04:50,588 --> 01:04:52,868
Um,

1355
01:04:54,568 --> 01:04:57,898
and so kinda the, you know, the, the why, you know, we would consider this, and,

1356
01:04:57,928 --> 01:05:00,608
you know, why is it part of this SS four A project?

1357
01:05:00,688 --> 01:05:04,608
Uh, there are pretty significant potential safety benefits of, you know,

1358
01:05:04,668 --> 01:05:08,328
conversions like that, where you're going from, you know, particularly in the

1359
01:05:08,368 --> 01:05:11,888
section where you have four lanes, you're going down to, to three.

1360
01:05:11,988 --> 01:05:12,968
Uh,

1361
01:05:14,168 --> 01:05:17,968
and, you know, one of them is just addressing speeding.

1362
01:05:18,448 --> 01:05:20,988
Uh, speeds themselves don't always drop a lot.

1363
01:05:21,008 --> 01:05:24,548
The speeding certainly gets curved because now the slowest people in the platoon

1364
01:05:24,728 --> 01:05:28,108
control how fast everybody goes. You know, there's no passing.

1365
01:05:28,308 --> 01:05:31,767
Um, let's say the similar conversions when you go from, like a four-lane

1366
01:05:31,848 --> 01:05:34,828
section like is shown there, to one where you have one lane each direction with a

1367
01:05:34,848 --> 01:05:38,508
center turn, a center turn lane, they see a

1368
01:05:38,548 --> 01:05:41,858
twenty-nine percent reduction in all crashes, which is pretty significant.

1369
01:05:41,868 --> 01:05:42,848
Mm-hmm.

1370
01:05:42,948 --> 01:05:46,928
Um, there's obviously more room for doing like protected bike lanes or,

1371
01:05:46,948 --> 01:05:49,898
you know, other kinds of accommodations for, you know, people walking and

1372
01:05:49,908 --> 01:05:53,668
biking. Uh, it's easier and safer to cross the

1373
01:05:53,728 --> 01:05:57,568
street. Uh, not only sometimes is it shorter distance to

1374
01:05:57,608 --> 01:06:01,428
cross, but as illustrated in that graphic, you eliminate what's

1375
01:06:01,468 --> 01:06:05,388
now referred to as the multiple threat issue, where one car stops for

1376
01:06:05,448 --> 01:06:09,288
a pedestrian, but they create a visual obstruction when they do

1377
01:06:09,348 --> 01:06:13,308
that, and another oncoming car may not see the pedestrian and, you know,

1378
01:06:13,348 --> 01:06:15,688
still, still stop the car.

1379
01:06:16,808 --> 01:06:20,608
Um, and also, you know, as you-- we'll get into a little bit later, whether you do

1380
01:06:20,628 --> 01:06:24,508
right turn lanes or not, those can have additional, safety benefits

1381
01:06:24,548 --> 01:06:28,338
and give you some options on how to, eliminate conflicts

1382
01:06:28,408 --> 01:06:31,318
or improve, conflicts with, bikes and

1383
01:06:31,408 --> 01:06:35,388
cars. Um, and this also gives us opportunities

1384
01:06:35,408 --> 01:06:38,278
to potentially use a kind of conflict marking.

1385
01:06:38,388 --> 01:06:41,768
Uh, so kinda what did we evaluate when we did this?

1386
01:06:41,788 --> 01:06:43,748
There are a few different scenarios.

1387
01:06:43,868 --> 01:06:47,488
Uh, one was, obviously keeping the current four/five-lane

1388
01:06:47,528 --> 01:06:50,808
layouts. We, you know, leave it as it is. We looked at the no-build.

1389
01:06:50,848 --> 01:06:54,488
One was, what if we change it to one lane each direction with a center turn lane,

1390
01:06:54,608 --> 01:06:58,428
so I call the three lane. Uh, and then these other ones are saying,

1391
01:06:58,468 --> 01:07:01,848
okay, well, at least at the intersections, what if we add right turn lanes,

1392
01:07:01,908 --> 01:07:03,978
especially where we have heavier right turn volumes.

1393
01:07:04,008 --> 01:07:07,948
So it's not a pure three lane, at least the intersections, we're doing that to

1394
01:07:08,128 --> 01:07:09,628
relieve a little bit of congestion.

1395
01:07:10,288 --> 01:07:14,268
And then the last one mentioned there, it would have been that scenario, plus we

1396
01:07:14,308 --> 01:07:18,016
discoveredThrough this, you probably don't want to reduce the

1397
01:07:18,036 --> 01:07:21,936
lanes between 9th Street and NFW because they're so

1398
01:07:21,996 --> 01:07:25,256
close together, we need the lanes just to store vehicles, or they're end up

1399
01:07:25,276 --> 01:07:28,216
spilling back into both intersections.

1400
01:07:28,256 --> 01:07:29,716
This creates a huge conflict.

1401
01:07:30,996 --> 01:07:33,976
So what did we consider in this feasibility assessment?

1402
01:07:34,096 --> 01:07:37,556
Uh, one thing we did was we thought we would use the TSP

1403
01:07:37,616 --> 01:07:40,896
goals, to kind of s-frame up evaluation

1404
01:07:40,916 --> 01:07:44,696
criteria. So we, we referred to the goals in the transportation system

1405
01:07:44,776 --> 01:07:48,536
plan related to safety, viable automobile

1406
01:07:48,596 --> 01:07:52,546
alternatives, and efficient movement of people, and goods,

1407
01:07:52,636 --> 01:07:56,436
or maybe more simply, I would state the last two are kind of people that are

1408
01:07:56,476 --> 01:07:59,296
walking, biking, using transit, and the last one is, you know, people

1409
01:07:59,316 --> 01:08:02,956
driving. Um, and then on the

1410
01:08:03,016 --> 01:08:06,796
right there, I show kind of the more specific evaluation criteria that we

1411
01:08:06,816 --> 01:08:10,276
looked at, like potential crash reduction, you know, how much

1412
01:08:10,336 --> 01:08:13,556
separation can we get between, cars and people walking and

1413
01:08:13,576 --> 01:08:17,396
biking, potential speed reduction, comfort for people

1414
01:08:17,436 --> 01:08:20,556
walking and biking, what it can do for,

1415
01:08:21,376 --> 01:08:24,576
pedestrian crossings, obviously auto

1416
01:08:24,656 --> 01:08:28,196
delay, and then potential for traffic diversion.

1417
01:08:28,217 --> 01:08:29,406
And what I mean by that is

1418
01:08:30,337 --> 01:08:33,896
if we do create some congestion, more delay on Walnut,

1419
01:08:34,337 --> 01:08:37,596
honestly, what we don't wanna have happen is people try to bypass that and go

1420
01:08:37,616 --> 01:08:40,576
through neighborhoods, right? And bypass through there.

1421
01:08:40,637 --> 01:08:44,156
So we did some, some modeling and testing to see what the potential was for

1422
01:08:44,217 --> 01:08:48,076
that. Um, obviously in exercises like this, as you would

1423
01:08:48,116 --> 01:08:51,706
expect to see is, you know, some modes like

1424
01:08:51,717 --> 01:08:55,326
walking, biking are probably really gonna benefit from a lot of this stuff.

1425
01:08:55,416 --> 01:08:58,896
Uh, driving, they're giving something up, right? They're giving up some capacity.

1426
01:08:58,936 --> 01:09:02,776
So it's, it's really a big question of-- or understanding what the trade-offs

1427
01:09:02,936 --> 01:09:06,316
are, and then for the community to decide what the appropriate balance

1428
01:09:06,396 --> 01:09:08,677
is.

1429
01:09:09,556 --> 01:09:13,467
Uh, so from that, that first kind of major, criteria, safety, and

1430
01:09:13,516 --> 01:09:17,177
I really kind of touched on this already, there are

1431
01:09:17,236 --> 01:09:20,856
significant safety, benefits, potentially by doing this

1432
01:09:20,896 --> 01:09:22,946
conversion. Um,

1433
01:09:24,797 --> 01:09:27,896
and like, I won't touch anymore 'cause I'm probably short on time.

1434
01:09:27,916 --> 01:09:31,056
But yes, that one's a clear winner overall safety to do this

1435
01:09:31,096 --> 01:09:33,837
conversion. A lot of potential for

1436
01:09:33,856 --> 01:09:37,656
improvement. Uh, now when you get to the, active

1437
01:09:37,717 --> 01:09:40,996
transportation modes, so walking, biking,

1438
01:09:41,016 --> 01:09:44,816
transit. Uh, one key assumption that we, we did, I highlighted in

1439
01:09:44,856 --> 01:09:48,137
yellow there, is that if we're doing this, we're probably gonna leave the curbs

1440
01:09:48,236 --> 01:09:52,177
where they are. Um, just 'cause it makes it way more affordable, right?

1441
01:09:52,217 --> 01:09:56,066
We could do it much, much faster. Um, so if

1442
01:09:56,156 --> 01:10:00,096
you do that, obviously with that extra width, there's a lot of

1443
01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:02,636
options you have for what you do with the bicycles.

1444
01:10:02,696 --> 01:10:05,536
We did not go through different design treatments.

1445
01:10:05,576 --> 01:10:09,216
We assumed if you pursue this further, that stuff can be discussed

1446
01:10:09,316 --> 01:10:12,836
more. But it could be something, right, that's shown in that illustration, 'cause

1447
01:10:12,876 --> 01:10:14,876
you, you know, that's the kind of room you would have.

1448
01:10:14,936 --> 01:10:17,936
So it could be some kind of protected facility.

1449
01:10:18,056 --> 01:10:21,696
Um, for people walking,

1450
01:10:21,916 --> 01:10:24,896
because we're not moving the curbs, the sidewalks aren't gonna get bigger, wider,

1451
01:10:24,996 --> 01:10:28,676
but there is now probably more of a buffer between the cars and them, right?

1452
01:10:28,716 --> 01:10:31,796
If we have more space being preserved for the bikes.

1453
01:10:32,516 --> 01:10:36,416
Uh, also, as I mentioned before, your crossings are gonna probably get easier

1454
01:10:36,456 --> 01:10:40,236
and safer. So, you know, it's a, it's a win for

1455
01:10:40,296 --> 01:10:43,656
people walking. Transit, I got the question mark there,

1456
01:10:44,256 --> 01:10:47,556
kind of depends on the design choices you make going forward.

1457
01:10:47,576 --> 01:10:51,516
The thing about transit is access to transit, same with people walking and biking

1458
01:10:51,576 --> 01:10:55,536
for all the reasons I mentioned before, it's probably gonna get better and, and be

1459
01:10:55,556 --> 01:10:59,216
easier and safer. But, but buses also

1460
01:10:59,256 --> 01:11:02,576
drive right in the travel lanes, and so some of the things that, the

1461
01:11:02,756 --> 01:11:06,016
detractions from people that are driving, buses also have to deal with.

1462
01:11:06,076 --> 01:11:09,516
So if there's more congestion, that's gonna affect their travel times as

1463
01:11:09,576 --> 01:11:13,396
well. Or if you choose to do bus stops in lane versus

1464
01:11:13,756 --> 01:11:17,616
having them pull out, it's probably gonna be harder for them to get into the

1465
01:11:17,676 --> 01:11:21,536
new three-lane section. So there are some trade-offs for transit,

1466
01:11:21,576 --> 01:11:25,116
and usually it's a positive change, but could depend on the design

1467
01:11:25,176 --> 01:11:26,776
choices you ultimately make.

1468
01:11:26,796 --> 01:11:28,216
Mm.

1469
01:11:30,116 --> 01:11:34,016
Uh, so with that said, the last category is really kind of how does

1470
01:11:34,136 --> 01:11:37,175
this, this affect, you know, driving through the corridor.

1471
01:11:37,295 --> 01:11:40,436
Uh, and I will say just for this feasibility assessment, we only looked at the

1472
01:11:40,476 --> 01:11:44,456
p.m./p.m. hour. So if there's morning issues with, you know, schools or whatnot,

1473
01:11:44,476 --> 01:11:48,376
we didn't look at that for this. Uh, we looked at what happens in twenty

1474
01:11:48,456 --> 01:11:52,196
twenty-five, so if you did it right away, versus what happens in twenty years, so

1475
01:11:52,236 --> 01:11:56,176
year twenty forty-five. And to kind of assess

1476
01:11:56,836 --> 01:12:00,576
if, you know, the acceptable level of congestion, we used Corvallis's

1477
01:12:00,616 --> 01:12:04,596
adopted mobility standards. This, you know, same thing a developer would

1478
01:12:04,636 --> 01:12:08,276
use if they do a transportation, you know, impact study.

1479
01:12:08,396 --> 01:12:09,416
Uh, and so

1480
01:12:10,416 --> 01:12:14,156
from the no-build scenario, what we found was congestion

1481
01:12:14,216 --> 01:12:18,036
levels at all the intersections are within adopted standards today,

1482
01:12:18,096 --> 01:12:22,076
and all but Highland Drive intersection would be in twenty forty-five.

1483
01:12:23,256 --> 01:12:26,976
Um, so now if we go to the three-lane, this is with no right turn

1484
01:12:27,016 --> 01:12:30,116
lanes, pure three-lane, now Highland and

1485
01:12:30,196 --> 01:12:33,976
Twenty-Ninth, they get fairly congested today, so they wouldn't meet your mobility

1486
01:12:34,116 --> 01:12:37,916
standards, and they'd get, you know, fairly worse by twenty

1487
01:12:38,036 --> 01:12:41,516
forty-five. But really no other intersections, have that

1488
01:12:41,556 --> 01:12:45,316
problem. So then if we go back, and we add some right turn

1489
01:12:45,326 --> 01:12:49,156
lanes in at the congested locations, now Highland

1490
01:12:49,216 --> 01:12:53,036
Drive is congested today as well as in twenty forty-five, but

1491
01:12:53,176 --> 01:12:54,976
Twenty-Ninth isn't a problem anymore.

1492
01:12:55,516 --> 01:12:59,446
Um, and while it varies from place to place, the levels of

1493
01:12:59,496 --> 01:13:03,446
congestion are fairly comparable to the no-build condition.

1494
01:13:03,496 --> 01:13:07,336
So right turn lanes added strategically where they're needed can certainly

1495
01:13:07,376 --> 01:13:09,696
help with congestion at the intersections.

1496
01:13:09,796 --> 01:13:12,976
Uh, but again, a lot of this is gonna come down ultimately, if this were to be

1497
01:13:13,016 --> 01:13:15,916
pursued, is what design choices you end up making in the future.

1498
01:13:16,196 --> 01:13:17,316
Can I ask a question?

1499
01:13:17,356 --> 01:13:17,616
Yeah.

1500
01:13:17,656 --> 01:13:21,566
What-- How do you determine the number of cars twenty

1501
01:13:21,616 --> 01:13:24,516
years out? What kind of da-- How do you pull that data?

1502
01:13:24,772 --> 01:13:28,392
Uh, so it's, it's using, the, regional

1503
01:13:28,472 --> 01:13:31,902
travel demand model, that, is,

1504
01:13:32,672 --> 01:13:34,822
managed by the Oregon Department of Transportation.

1505
01:13:34,852 --> 01:13:38,092
So it's the same forecasting model that's used for your

1506
01:13:38,132 --> 01:13:41,952
transportation system plan and for the, the regional transportation

1507
01:13:42,012 --> 01:13:45,912
plan. And it, it, has coordinated

1508
01:13:46,012 --> 01:13:49,892
population, you know, employment, right, housing projections,

1509
01:13:50,452 --> 01:13:53,182
that have been coordinated with the, the cities, the counties

1510
01:13:54,072 --> 01:13:57,932
built into this. So it's, it's based on the long-term projection

1511
01:13:57,992 --> 01:14:00,592
for, the city and its surroundings.

1512
01:14:00,652 --> 01:14:03,712
Okay. Do you know how current it is?

1513
01:14:03,812 --> 01:14:05,852
Um, they updated it

1514
01:14:06,872 --> 01:14:07,692
a few years ago.

1515
01:14:08,532 --> 01:14:09,252
Okay. That'll work.

1516
01:14:09,292 --> 01:14:13,132
Yeah. We did a little bit of refinement based on kind of what we know now

1517
01:14:13,192 --> 01:14:15,892
about where development is or isn't likely gonna happen, but

1518
01:14:15,912 --> 01:14:18,452
it's fairly true.

1519
01:14:18,532 --> 01:14:19,292
Thank you.

1520
01:14:19,352 --> 01:14:23,181
Yes. Um,

1521
01:14:23,392 --> 01:14:26,792
so looking at travel time, so I don't know how many people drive the whole length,

1522
01:14:26,812 --> 01:14:29,882
but, you know, instead of just looking at the intersections, we said, "Well, what

1523
01:14:29,892 --> 01:14:33,182
if you drove the whole corridor? How much difference does it make?"

1524
01:14:33,272 --> 01:14:37,232
Uh, and this was, with the right turn lanes in place,

1525
01:14:37,332 --> 01:14:41,312
if you'd went, end to end, increased travel time by one to

1526
01:14:41,372 --> 01:14:44,552
two minutes, depending on if you're going with the, the peak flow of direction or

1527
01:14:44,652 --> 01:14:47,772
not. And that's about a fifteen to thirty percent

1528
01:14:47,812 --> 01:14:51,712
increase. Uh, so that's about, I think it was like seven minutes in the

1529
01:14:51,752 --> 01:14:54,912
no build scenario.

1530
01:14:55,052 --> 01:14:58,952
Um, so again, on the diversion issue, and again, this is

1531
01:14:59,012 --> 01:15:02,112
where we used that, that travel demand model I referenced,

1532
01:15:03,532 --> 01:15:05,572
and kind of tested, okay, if we have this

1533
01:15:05,642 --> 01:15:06,392
congestion,

1534
01:15:07,272 --> 01:15:10,332
where... are we gonna lose any traffic to another route?

1535
01:15:10,432 --> 01:15:13,072
And again, this was done kind of with the worst case

1536
01:15:13,152 --> 01:15:16,172
scenario, I believe. Um,

1537
01:15:16,212 --> 01:15:19,852
so, there is some diversion around Highland, right?

1538
01:15:19,892 --> 01:15:22,852
Because that's really the main congestion point.

1539
01:15:22,872 --> 01:15:25,832
But if, you know, you're familiar with the area, we don't really have a strong

1540
01:15:25,892 --> 01:15:29,672
street grid, right? So there's not a lot of other places to go.

1541
01:15:29,712 --> 01:15:33,552
And so Circle Boulevard, you know, is probably likely

1542
01:15:33,631 --> 01:15:37,262
to pick up, just as another parallel arterial, about a hundred and

1543
01:15:37,392 --> 01:15:41,332
fifty vehicles. That's about a twenty, twenty-five percent increase.

1544
01:15:41,412 --> 01:15:44,712
Uh, now again, it's just during the peak hour. That's the only time we've analyzed.

1545
01:15:44,792 --> 01:15:47,972
Uh, but that was in the twenty forty-five scenario with no right turn lane.

1546
01:15:48,012 --> 01:15:50,612
So that's our worst case scenario.

1547
01:15:50,732 --> 01:15:53,852
Uh, and then looking at local

1548
01:15:53,992 --> 01:15:57,652
streets, was really the place where you really don't want a lot of that

1549
01:15:57,672 --> 01:16:01,552
diversion. Thirteenth and Garriana are, you know, the likely

1550
01:16:01,612 --> 01:16:04,861
places where if you're gonna see some diversion like that, that's probably where it

1551
01:16:04,872 --> 01:16:08,332
would happen, people trying to get around, you know, Highland.

1552
01:16:08,592 --> 01:16:12,192
That was more on the order of, you know, less than fifty total between the

1553
01:16:12,232 --> 01:16:15,932
two. So it's not really bad, but again, it could

1554
01:16:15,972 --> 01:16:17,792
depend on the design choices that you make.

1555
01:16:17,852 --> 01:16:20,992
If you do the right turn lanes, alleviate some of that congestion, maybe

1556
01:16:21,692 --> 01:16:25,292
that demand really drops, or maybe there's some traffic calming treatment that

1557
01:16:25,352 --> 01:16:28,322
could be done as well as that to help curb that.

1558
01:16:28,392 --> 01:16:31,542
Uh, but at least from our preliminary assessment, that's what we're

1559
01:16:31,572 --> 01:16:35,312
seeing. Um, so my last slide

1560
01:16:35,372 --> 01:16:38,372
here, it's, it's kind of-- So that's kind of what we have framed up.

1561
01:16:38,472 --> 01:16:42,452
Um, and like I said, my kind of take on that is it doesn't seem

1562
01:16:42,512 --> 01:16:46,352
fatally flawed. It seems feasible to continue exploring, but a

1563
01:16:46,412 --> 01:16:50,162
lot of it's gonna depend on design choices that you make, and

1564
01:16:50,192 --> 01:16:53,552
again, community, preferences and decisions

1565
01:16:53,592 --> 01:16:57,452
about balancing out kind of those different modes, right?

1566
01:16:57,512 --> 01:17:00,892
How much you give in one area to get in another, and what's the acceptable

1567
01:17:00,912 --> 01:17:02,792
balance. Um,

1568
01:17:04,252 --> 01:17:07,872
and, and certainly, hopefully, this, you know, stimulates the conversation if this

1569
01:17:07,932 --> 01:17:11,852
is gonna go forward. It highlights more questions that need to be answered if

1570
01:17:11,892 --> 01:17:14,492
you take this to another step.

1571
01:17:14,512 --> 01:17:14,652
Mm-hmm.

1572
01:17:14,662 --> 01:17:15,252
Yes, sir.

1573
01:17:15,312 --> 01:17:16,012
Yes.

1574
01:17:16,052 --> 01:17:19,822
Just two quick things to keep in mind as we leave this

1575
01:17:19,832 --> 01:17:23,752
topic. Um, there's a couple things that were happening at the same

1576
01:17:23,852 --> 01:17:27,242
time that we were doing this evaluation that I just wanna touch on for a

1577
01:17:27,272 --> 01:17:31,092
moment. Uh, one was, the school district talked about

1578
01:17:31,672 --> 01:17:35,252
school, school closures and redistribution of, children.

1579
01:17:35,292 --> 01:17:39,152
One of the things that we heard from community members, in the

1580
01:17:39,192 --> 01:17:43,152
middle of the project was concern about what impact that might

1581
01:17:43,252 --> 01:17:47,072
have on the analysis that we were, we're doing here.

1582
01:17:47,192 --> 01:17:50,501
Uh, so we, we put our heads together and

1583
01:17:51,092 --> 01:17:54,172
crammed more work into an already tight schedule,

1584
01:17:55,452 --> 01:17:59,432
and got, got with the school district, got information from them, on

1585
01:17:59,512 --> 01:18:02,912
enrollment projections, did some analysis,

1586
01:18:03,032 --> 01:18:05,852
and, found that the numbers

1587
01:18:06,092 --> 01:18:10,012
as, projected didn't change the results of what we

1588
01:18:10,132 --> 01:18:13,342
looked at and would recommend, in the study here.

1589
01:18:13,372 --> 01:18:16,312
So didn't have a meaningful impact on intersection performance, for

1590
01:18:16,372 --> 01:18:20,352
example. Where, where we communicated with the

1591
01:18:20,412 --> 01:18:23,732
task force members where that still might be important to

1592
01:18:23,792 --> 01:18:27,392
people is when we have that funding discussion,

1593
01:18:27,912 --> 01:18:31,072
later about where do we want to invest and, and not invest

1594
01:18:31,192 --> 01:18:33,512
when, what do, what do we invest in first.

1595
01:18:34,092 --> 01:18:36,312
Uh, that might be something that people point to.

1596
01:18:36,352 --> 01:18:39,752
You already have more kids, attending the school, that might

1597
01:18:39,792 --> 01:18:43,542
be a reason to invest in additional safety,

1598
01:18:43,882 --> 01:18:47,612
improvements sooner in one location over another that might have data

1599
01:18:47,672 --> 01:18:50,012
that's, that's, that's showing a problem.

1600
01:18:50,052 --> 01:18:53,452
That'll be a conversation to have later.

1601
01:18:53,532 --> 01:18:57,272
Uh, the other thing that was happening at the same time, was a

1602
01:18:57,332 --> 01:18:59,372
conversation about,

1603
01:19:02,092 --> 01:19:05,212
streets SDCs, and there was concern about removal of

1604
01:19:05,272 --> 01:19:08,752
a recreational path, parallel

1605
01:19:09,112 --> 01:19:12,492
Walnut in the near term, funding, their,

1606
01:19:13,332 --> 01:19:15,332
all, all, for their projects as well.

1607
01:19:15,352 --> 01:19:17,972
That wasn't needed from a transportation perspective.

1608
01:19:17,992 --> 01:19:21,052
It's not like a TSP, pedestrian

1609
01:19:21,592 --> 01:19:24,712
path. So it is, was, was there from a recreational

1610
01:19:24,792 --> 01:19:28,784
perspectiveBut there again, it was another thing that, if

1611
01:19:28,844 --> 01:19:32,784
constructed, might have provided another alternative,

1612
01:19:33,204 --> 01:19:36,664
for people, and that might be another reason why,

1613
01:19:37,084 --> 01:19:40,184
someone might look at improvements on, on Walnut

1614
01:19:40,724 --> 01:19:44,484
even though the data isn't there. I'm not advocating one way or another,

1615
01:19:44,844 --> 01:19:47,704
and I'm not trying to argue one way or the

1616
01:19:47,804 --> 01:19:51,244
other. Um, but there are some real things

1617
01:19:51,344 --> 01:19:54,594
that are gonna come, that are gonna come up

1618
01:19:54,844 --> 01:19:58,724
that, warrant consideration when you do get to the point of

1619
01:19:58,764 --> 01:20:01,784
weighing those things. And we tried to be mindful of the ones that we

1620
01:20:01,844 --> 01:20:05,544
could, put numbers to, like the school district, in

1621
01:20:05,584 --> 01:20:09,304
this, in this analysis so we were current with the times.

1622
01:20:09,864 --> 01:20:13,344
That's actually gonna be very helpful with some of the

1623
01:20:13,384 --> 01:20:16,673
conversations, you having done that, so thanks for taking the extra time.

1624
01:20:16,684 --> 01:20:17,564
Yeah. Yeah.

1625
01:20:17,584 --> 01:20:19,904
Thanks to John. It wasn't, it wasn't easy to

1626
01:20:19,944 --> 01:20:21,764
accommodate.

1627
01:20:21,784 --> 01:20:24,673
Who ever did that?

1628
01:20:26,724 --> 01:20:30,484
I'll move on. Uh, I'm probably gonna have to hit the

1629
01:20:30,524 --> 01:20:32,564
accelerator here a little bit too.

1630
01:20:32,724 --> 01:20:33,104
Um,

1631
01:20:34,244 --> 01:20:36,304
third supplemental planning activity.

1632
01:20:36,344 --> 01:20:39,504
So Neighborhood Traffic Management Program Assessment.

1633
01:20:39,604 --> 01:20:43,204
Uh, so what we did is essentially we audited the city's

1634
01:20:43,264 --> 01:20:46,764
current, you know, neighborhood traffic calming program, which is very well

1635
01:20:46,904 --> 01:20:50,624
documented. Um, and, kind of looked at that

1636
01:20:50,704 --> 01:20:53,454
compared to best practices, and, and,

1637
01:20:54,384 --> 01:20:58,084
talked to staff about kind of their experiences with it and,

1638
01:20:58,514 --> 01:21:02,034
provided some recommendations to look into to, improve the

1639
01:21:02,104 --> 01:21:05,904
program. Uh, looking at, kind of key things like how

1640
01:21:06,044 --> 01:21:09,154
community requests are processed and your roles and

1641
01:21:09,204 --> 01:21:12,764
responsibilities between community members and staff.

1642
01:21:12,844 --> 01:21:16,514
You know, how satisfied, staff and the city have been with the outcomes they've

1643
01:21:16,544 --> 01:21:20,474
been getting. Uh, and then just, you know, kind of equitable access and,

1644
01:21:20,484 --> 01:21:22,564
and outcomes.

1645
01:21:23,604 --> 01:21:27,204
Um, so the current program, if you're not

1646
01:21:27,244 --> 01:21:31,234
familiar with it, it's, it's a very structured process, and it's for

1647
01:21:31,284 --> 01:21:34,224
reducing speeds and cut-through traffic on neighborhood streets.

1648
01:21:34,244 --> 01:21:37,524
So this is specifically applicable to local streets, so not arterials and

1649
01:21:37,564 --> 01:21:41,124
collectors. Um, and it emphasizes goals.

1650
01:21:41,164 --> 01:21:44,784
You know, it's trying to achieve neighborhood livability, create broad

1651
01:21:44,864 --> 01:21:47,764
community involvement. You know, you have efficient uses of city

1652
01:21:47,784 --> 01:21:51,584
resources, and involve periodic assessment

1653
01:21:51,704 --> 01:21:55,444
of effectiveness. Uh, and so this is where I might

1654
01:21:55,464 --> 01:21:59,124
l-move a little bit quickly. Um, so I'll kind of

1655
01:21:59,204 --> 01:22:01,524
quickly run through the process as it is.

1656
01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:04,854
So requests can be submitted any time right now.

1657
01:22:04,964 --> 01:22:08,784
Uh, when the city gets requests, first they try to do enforcement strategies

1658
01:22:08,844 --> 01:22:10,864
to see if that will fix the problem.

1659
01:22:10,904 --> 01:22:14,444
That doesn't work, then the requester must

1660
01:22:14,504 --> 01:22:18,044
circulate a petition to study to demonstrate they have neighborhood

1661
01:22:18,104 --> 01:22:21,524
support, and they have to get a majority of support through this.

1662
01:22:21,534 --> 01:22:25,053
I think the situation is the city provides the boundary of what they determine the

1663
01:22:25,053 --> 01:22:28,824
affected area is, and then the-- whoever put the request in the neighborhood

1664
01:22:28,884 --> 01:22:30,194
has to do the legwork.

1665
01:22:31,044 --> 01:22:34,634
City determines also the, you know, look at the contacts and data to see if the

1666
01:22:34,664 --> 01:22:38,634
location would even qualify for, you know, like a traffic calming improvement.

1667
01:22:40,004 --> 01:22:43,824
Then the, neighborhood has to form a neighborhood traffic committee and

1668
01:22:43,924 --> 01:22:47,524
organize that. They work with the city to create a plan and identify

1669
01:22:47,564 --> 01:22:51,324
performance measures to see what they're gonna do is effective.

1670
01:22:51,344 --> 01:22:54,814
The neighborhood then has to fund a test installation.

1671
01:22:56,204 --> 01:23:00,024
Uh, if that's found to be effective, city again

1672
01:23:00,064 --> 01:23:02,864
confirms neighborhood support with the confidential

1673
01:23:02,884 --> 01:23:06,474
ballots. Uh, if that comes out positive, they have

1674
01:23:06,504 --> 01:23:09,964
demonstrated support, city council then, can approve,

1675
01:23:10,024 --> 01:23:13,624
modify, or reject the proposal. The

1676
01:23:13,664 --> 01:23:17,564
neighborhood then has to fund the project, but the city will design

1677
01:23:17,604 --> 01:23:21,324
it and construct it. Uh, improvements are evaluated by the

1678
01:23:21,384 --> 01:23:24,934
city through another neighborhood survey.

1679
01:23:25,484 --> 01:23:29,014
Uh, city staff give the final report to city council, and then city council can

1680
01:23:29,044 --> 01:23:32,864
approve it, modify it, extend the evaluation further,

1681
01:23:32,964 --> 01:23:36,624
or even order it to be removed.

1682
01:23:37,664 --> 01:23:41,524
Uh, and so, kind of the recommendations, kind of looking through that

1683
01:23:41,604 --> 01:23:45,164
and other best practices, the main things we're focused on are things like

1684
01:23:45,183 --> 01:23:48,604
transparency and accountability, equitable access for

1685
01:23:48,704 --> 01:23:52,464
sure, and just kind of, ability to delivery-- deliver

1686
01:23:52,524 --> 01:23:56,364
efficiently. Although there were some

1687
01:23:56,374 --> 01:23:59,634
things about the program that do align with best practices that are positive, and

1688
01:23:59,684 --> 01:24:02,804
that's using before and after data collection, doing measured

1689
01:24:02,924 --> 01:24:05,104
tests, and having formal city council

1690
01:24:05,164 --> 01:24:08,594
involvement. So the biggest,

1691
01:24:08,924 --> 01:24:12,284
recommended change, it's really a fundamental one, would be to move to a

1692
01:24:12,364 --> 01:24:16,354
city-funded program. So right now, if you notice in my run-through, a

1693
01:24:16,404 --> 01:24:18,204
lot of this is all paid by the neighborhoods.

1694
01:24:18,244 --> 01:24:18,614
Mm-hmm.

1695
01:24:18,644 --> 01:24:21,164
And a lot of the work is done by them too.

1696
01:24:21,224 --> 01:24:21,724
Mm-hmm.

1697
01:24:21,824 --> 01:24:25,414
Um, obviously that, that would address the inequity where only the neighborhoods

1698
01:24:25,464 --> 01:24:29,344
with financial resources, and frankly time, can afford to

1699
01:24:29,384 --> 01:24:32,534
have any improvements made in their commu-- in their neighborhoods.

1700
01:24:32,644 --> 01:24:36,524
Uh, it'd make the process, I think, easier and more predictable for everyone,

1701
01:24:36,604 --> 01:24:40,344
staff included, because I would imagine now, not only is there a big barrier to

1702
01:24:40,464 --> 01:24:43,844
entry, but if the neighborhood has to keep coming up with funding at different

1703
01:24:43,884 --> 01:24:47,644
points, project could disappear for years and then

1704
01:24:47,704 --> 01:24:51,664
come back at a time when staff may not expect it or have the bandwidth to even deal

1705
01:24:51,684 --> 01:24:55,544
with it. Uh, so it'd be, much more efficient and predictable

1706
01:24:55,604 --> 01:24:58,124
if that was just, a city program.

1707
01:24:58,224 --> 01:25:00,184
Great.

1708
01:25:00,304 --> 01:25:04,044
Um, other recommendations involving simplifying the

1709
01:25:04,064 --> 01:25:07,884
process. Um, and that's things like using a, a

1710
01:25:07,924 --> 01:25:11,664
program webpage with information about the program to help people understand how to

1711
01:25:11,684 --> 01:25:15,584
engage with it. You can even show the eligibility of projects that are in

1712
01:25:15,624 --> 01:25:19,144
the-- or what's an eligible project and show what the status of projects in the

1713
01:25:19,324 --> 01:25:23,104
queue, are. Uh, and then

1714
01:25:23,144 --> 01:25:25,324
consider applications on a regular cycle.

1715
01:25:25,364 --> 01:25:29,164
So maybe you could still apply any time, but make it clear that

1716
01:25:29,204 --> 01:25:32,284
maybe once a year they'll be processed.

1717
01:25:32,384 --> 01:25:36,278
Um-And then creating standardized requirements for

1718
01:25:36,328 --> 01:25:40,068
eligibility, which is to help with screening and prioritizing.

1719
01:25:40,188 --> 01:25:44,178
Um, and then right now there's a very prescribed outreach process, you

1720
01:25:44,228 --> 01:25:48,188
noticed. I think since then, I think the, the city has discovered

1721
01:25:48,208 --> 01:25:51,968
a lot of more effective and creative ways to do community engagement.

1722
01:25:51,988 --> 01:25:55,768
And so maybe not making that so prescriptive and letting you customize that would

1723
01:25:55,868 --> 01:25:59,508
probably be beneficial. Uh, having city council

1724
01:25:59,628 --> 01:26:02,798
confirmation on the prioritized list of projects once per

1725
01:26:02,908 --> 01:26:06,878
cycle. Uh, making tests not mandatory but

1726
01:26:06,908 --> 01:26:09,608
optional, 'cause sometimes there are things the city may already have experience

1727
01:26:09,668 --> 01:26:13,177
with. They, they know they're gonna be effective.

1728
01:26:13,328 --> 01:26:13,828
Um,

1729
01:26:14,908 --> 01:26:18,488
creating project eligibility criteria and a prioritization

1730
01:26:18,568 --> 01:26:19,928
process,

1731
01:26:21,308 --> 01:26:25,248
which, you know, popularity in the program increases because now it's easier

1732
01:26:25,268 --> 01:26:28,888
to get access to. That would probably help process all the requests.

1733
01:26:29,008 --> 01:26:32,628
Um, and another idea is, you could do a rotating,

1734
01:26:33,128 --> 01:26:36,988
project cycle through geographic areas of the city to kinda

1735
01:26:37,028 --> 01:26:40,508
help with, equitable distribution, much like the sidewalk safety

1736
01:26:40,608 --> 01:26:42,048
program.

1737
01:26:43,048 --> 01:26:46,828
Uh, and then I think the last recommendation was centralizing all that

1738
01:26:46,888 --> 01:26:49,808
technical work back with city staff and not putting it on the

1739
01:26:49,848 --> 01:26:51,768
neighborhood.

1740
01:26:51,828 --> 01:26:55,708
So I thought this was very well described in the-- I

1741
01:26:55,748 --> 01:26:57,488
thought the recommendation was

1742
01:26:59,488 --> 01:27:00,168
really nice.

1743
01:27:00,248 --> 01:27:00,638
Yeah.

1744
01:27:00,768 --> 01:27:04,128
I thought it was spot on. Uh, totally like it, too.

1745
01:27:04,188 --> 01:27:07,508
I've always had a problem with this pro-- the old process

1746
01:27:07,868 --> 01:27:11,848
because it's so geared to the neighborhoods that have long-term

1747
01:27:11,928 --> 01:27:15,708
residents who own their homes, have money, and have those connections,

1748
01:27:15,768 --> 01:27:15,928
where

1749
01:27:16,808 --> 01:27:20,108
some of the neighborhoods that really need this work don't.

1750
01:27:20,248 --> 01:27:20,388
So

1751
01:27:21,308 --> 01:27:24,767
I was glad to spend the time looking into this.

1752
01:27:33,288 --> 01:27:35,968
Uh, moving on. Speed limit investigation framework.

1753
01:27:35,988 --> 01:27:36,228
The

1754
01:27:37,048 --> 01:27:40,648
next of the supplemental planning activities. Uh, so what is this?

1755
01:27:40,708 --> 01:27:43,548
So essentially this is an approach to reviewing and setting

1756
01:27:44,048 --> 01:27:47,818
contact, context-sensitive speed limits on arterials and

1757
01:27:47,848 --> 01:27:49,568
collectors throughout Corvallis.

1758
01:27:49,608 --> 01:27:52,588
So now we're not, not the neighborhood streets, now we're focused more on arterials

1759
01:27:52,608 --> 01:27:56,448
and collectors. Uh, key here, context-sensitive,

1760
01:27:56,468 --> 01:27:58,268
so and I'll touch on this a little bit more.

1761
01:27:58,288 --> 01:28:00,788
So that's not simply just the statutory speed.

1762
01:28:00,828 --> 01:28:04,728
So that is something that may align better with the actual land use and

1763
01:28:04,768 --> 01:28:06,848
the, the street design itself, if those are

1764
01:28:07,788 --> 01:28:08,708
not in sync.

1765
01:28:09,808 --> 01:28:13,668
Um, and then again, focus on arterials and collectors.

1766
01:28:13,768 --> 01:28:17,668
And, emphasize the-- what are our recommendations here?

1767
01:28:17,688 --> 01:28:21,348
This still works within current, regulations, so we're not changing state

1768
01:28:21,408 --> 01:28:24,888
law. It's pretty consistent already, with the city's current

1769
01:28:24,928 --> 01:28:28,908
practice. It's, really just provides more of a screening process to look at

1770
01:28:28,948 --> 01:28:32,448
the whole network at once, rather than being maybe more ad hoc in

1771
01:28:32,508 --> 01:28:36,368
identifying where the opportunities might be to then go and proactively do

1772
01:28:36,428 --> 01:28:39,448
this.

1773
01:28:40,408 --> 01:28:41,878
Um, so kind of the why is it important?

1774
01:28:41,928 --> 01:28:45,417
Obviously, speed is a big factor, right, in safety and, and the,

1775
01:28:45,857 --> 01:28:49,668
severity of outcomes in a crash. Uh, especially if you're, you know,

1776
01:28:49,728 --> 01:28:53,328
a vulnerable, you know, traveler, so you're walking or biking.

1777
01:28:53,428 --> 01:28:57,108
Um, and speeds, you know, that don't align with what people expect 'cause the

1778
01:28:57,168 --> 01:29:00,328
context is very different, can sometimes be

1779
01:29:00,368 --> 01:29:03,448
confusing. And you end up with some people that are really trying to be rule

1780
01:29:03,528 --> 01:29:06,428
followers and drive the posted speed, and other people that are following what

1781
01:29:06,468 --> 01:29:10,338
their brain is telling them because the context and those big differences

1782
01:29:10,348 --> 01:29:13,388
in speeds, can create safety problems of their

1783
01:29:13,448 --> 01:29:14,388
own.

1784
01:29:15,208 --> 01:29:18,718
And then my, my big warning, simply changing posted

1785
01:29:18,848 --> 01:29:22,828
speeds, won't be effective unless the roadway design and context

1786
01:29:22,868 --> 01:29:26,848
support it. Uh, in some cases, companion strategies, like

1787
01:29:26,888 --> 01:29:30,368
changes to the street design may be needed, otherwise you could be making the

1788
01:29:30,408 --> 01:29:34,388
problem worse. But this is a common thing, is people think, "Well, let's just

1789
01:29:34,408 --> 01:29:38,048
change the posted speed." If it's out of sync with the context, it

1790
01:29:38,248 --> 01:29:41,848
probably isn't going to work.

1791
01:29:42,328 --> 01:29:44,528
Um, so how are posted speeds set now?

1792
01:29:44,568 --> 01:29:48,488
So ODOT has all the responsibility for setting speed limits on all public

1793
01:29:48,548 --> 01:29:52,268
roadways. Um, there's two kinds of, posted

1794
01:29:52,348 --> 01:29:55,808
speeds. I mentioned statutory, so it's kinda like the default.

1795
01:29:55,948 --> 01:29:59,668
Um, those are specified by, you know, state law and by road types,

1796
01:29:59,748 --> 01:30:02,728
illustrated on the chart there. And then you have

1797
01:30:02,948 --> 01:30:06,888
designated, and so, that's where you're obviously deviating

1798
01:30:06,908 --> 01:30:10,628
from the default. Um, and that involves, you know, the speed

1799
01:30:10,748 --> 01:30:14,138
study typically. But there is the ability, as you notice on this

1800
01:30:14,148 --> 01:30:17,988
table, you can kinda better align it with your context.

1801
01:30:18,028 --> 01:30:21,388
So if you're urban core, if you can read the numbers on the table up there,

1802
01:30:21,908 --> 01:30:25,488
you'll notice there are allowable speeds for arterials and collectors that are

1803
01:30:25,508 --> 01:30:28,608
lower than if you're in a suburban fringe area.

1804
01:30:28,628 --> 01:30:32,328
But there are still kind of windows of allowed ranges, and they're fairly tight,

1805
01:30:32,368 --> 01:30:34,088
you know, five-to-ten-mile-an-hour windows.

1806
01:30:34,128 --> 01:30:34,328
So

1807
01:30:35,448 --> 01:30:39,078
I would, you know, setting expectations appropriately, if you're thinking-- looking

1808
01:30:39,108 --> 01:30:41,768
at opportunities to lower posted speeds, it's probably not gonna be a

1809
01:30:41,808 --> 01:30:45,148
twenty-mile-per-hour drop. It's probably gonna be a five-mile-per-hour drop,

1810
01:30:45,188 --> 01:30:45,968
something like that.

1811
01:30:48,008 --> 01:30:51,948
Uh, so how is it done now? So ODOT, while they do have the-- they still hold

1812
01:30:51,968 --> 01:30:55,268
the authority and have to make the decisions, they can delegate authority to

1813
01:30:55,328 --> 01:30:59,028
cities. Uh, but, the process and the

1814
01:30:59,088 --> 01:31:03,068
criteria are still the same. Um, and ODOT

1815
01:31:03,128 --> 01:31:07,088
still has to make the decisions. Really, what they're delegating to the city is,

1816
01:31:07,708 --> 01:31:11,108
you do the legwork, you perform the investigation, rather than requesting

1817
01:31:11,248 --> 01:31:14,168
ODOT to do it. But you still have to give that to

1818
01:31:14,228 --> 01:31:17,578
ODOT. They're gonna make sure you did it to their standards, and they're still

1819
01:31:17,608 --> 01:31:19,228
making the decision. So

1820
01:31:20,168 --> 01:31:23,028
you still have, you, you have to have the time and the resources to do it for that

1821
01:31:23,048 --> 01:31:25,688
to really be beneficial.

1822
01:31:27,768 --> 01:31:31,728
Uh, so the proposed approach, and again, still working within the same regulations.

1823
01:31:31,738 --> 01:31:35,208
We're not changing the laws. ODOT still has authority, but it's rather than kind of

1824
01:31:35,308 --> 01:31:38,948
ad hoc looking at maybe when a request comes up or if you're doing a CIP

1825
01:31:38,988 --> 01:31:42,888
project and you notice maybe there's an opportunityIt's kind of screening the whole

1826
01:31:42,948 --> 01:31:46,808
network and then seeing what pops up, where the context and the,

1827
01:31:46,848 --> 01:31:50,008
the current posted speed, there might be some wiggle room.

1828
01:31:50,108 --> 01:31:53,208
Um, so really that's, you know, doing some GIS analysis.

1829
01:31:53,228 --> 01:31:57,088
So right, just kind of coding in there in GIS what your land use

1830
01:31:57,148 --> 01:32:01,088
contact zones are, what the current posted speeds are,

1831
01:32:01,128 --> 01:32:05,008
and then kind of knowing where there's flexibility, seeing where the

1832
01:32:05,068 --> 01:32:08,628
candidate locations are.

1833
01:32:09,388 --> 01:32:09,528
Um,

1834
01:32:10,728 --> 01:32:14,628
and then a note on residential streets, while we said

1835
01:32:14,688 --> 01:32:16,808
we were focused on arterials and collectors.

1836
01:32:16,908 --> 01:32:20,708
Uh, Oregon cities are permitted to designate twenty mile per hour speed

1837
01:32:20,788 --> 01:32:24,688
limits on residential streets without any investigation.

1838
01:32:24,808 --> 01:32:28,418
Um, however, right now, I believe in Corvallis, this is pretty

1839
01:32:28,508 --> 01:32:31,878
common. It's-- a lot of your residential streets, they're not posted twenty-five

1840
01:32:31,948 --> 01:32:35,148
miles per hour because that's the statutory speed already.

1841
01:32:35,168 --> 01:32:38,248
And so if you're gonna make a change like that, people aren't gonna know you did

1842
01:32:38,288 --> 01:32:42,208
it. Probably unless you do a pretty extensive outreach campaign, and then probably

1843
01:32:42,288 --> 01:32:45,828
also need to post all those streets twenty miles per hour,

1844
01:32:46,188 --> 01:32:48,108
which comes with a lot of extra costs.

1845
01:32:48,208 --> 01:32:51,728
Um, especially, you got to maintain all those things now that you've put them in.

1846
01:32:51,808 --> 01:32:55,688
So an alternative to that is y-you could think about

1847
01:32:55,708 --> 01:32:59,348
doing it on select streets, like maybe, you know, neighborhood bikeways that are

1848
01:32:59,388 --> 01:33:02,728
local streets, if you wanted to drop those to twenty miles an hour.

1849
01:33:02,768 --> 01:33:06,638
So it's like kind of that, that cost barrier may be more feasible, but

1850
01:33:07,128 --> 01:33:10,248
still something to look into and consider.

1851
01:33:12,848 --> 01:33:15,468
So that is what we've provided for the Speed Limit Investigation

1852
01:33:15,568 --> 01:33:19,188
Framework.

1853
01:33:20,128 --> 01:33:23,528
The last supplemental planning activity, and this will be the shortest and sweetest

1854
01:33:23,588 --> 01:33:26,728
one of all, Pedestrian Crossing Treatments

1855
01:33:26,848 --> 01:33:29,888
Matrix. I, I don't think you had a hand up for this one 'cause we're still tweaking

1856
01:33:29,948 --> 01:33:32,548
some stuff with, with city staff on this.

1857
01:33:32,568 --> 01:33:36,408
But really what this is, is, providing some criteria

1858
01:33:37,108 --> 01:33:40,378
so the city can, I think, more consistently a-and

1859
01:33:40,448 --> 01:33:44,228
objectively evaluate, requests or opportunities to do

1860
01:33:44,288 --> 01:33:47,868
marked or enhanced pedestrian crossings at what are currently

1861
01:33:47,928 --> 01:33:51,727
unmarked locations. And so obviously we're drawing

1862
01:33:51,787 --> 01:33:55,708
again from a lot of kind of, you know, standardized or best practices, what other

1863
01:33:55,748 --> 01:33:59,328
communities have done. There's good, you know, state and federal guidelines for

1864
01:33:59,368 --> 01:34:02,828
kind of when to not mark a crossing or when it would, would be an eligible

1865
01:34:02,888 --> 01:34:06,508
candidate. And then once you've deserm-- determined something's an

1866
01:34:06,568 --> 01:34:10,268
eligible candidate, considering things like, you know, traffic volume,

1867
01:34:10,308 --> 01:34:13,928
speeds, crossing distances, visibility,

1868
01:34:14,388 --> 01:34:17,648
you know, route continuity, lighting, you know, crossing demand, and the

1869
01:34:17,708 --> 01:34:21,468
context is, then helping you figure out,

1870
01:34:21,488 --> 01:34:24,768
okay, well, what types of treatments would be appropriate?

1871
01:34:24,788 --> 01:34:28,508
You know, from the most basic to striping it, to putting

1872
01:34:28,608 --> 01:34:32,368
in, you know, refuge islands or flashing beacons or

1873
01:34:32,568 --> 01:34:35,988
full traffic signals right as you go up in progression.

1874
01:34:36,048 --> 01:34:39,888
So that's what we're ironing out some of the details with staff now, but that's

1875
01:34:39,928 --> 01:34:42,788
what we're providing. It's just a tool to help them when they get those

1876
01:34:42,868 --> 01:34:45,888
opportunities or requests, they can run it through then and kind of have more

1877
01:34:45,928 --> 01:34:49,628
consistency and objectivity to that.

1878
01:34:55,388 --> 01:34:58,498
And now, now the big one, right? The

1879
01:34:58,588 --> 01:35:00,868
Transportation Safety Action Plan.

1880
01:35:00,908 --> 01:35:04,008
So I'm gonna give you an overview of that.

1881
01:35:04,088 --> 01:35:05,738
Um, again, that was-- that's the major effort.

1882
01:35:05,788 --> 01:35:09,478
That's the one where staff will be coming back next month and, and asking you to,

1883
01:35:09,528 --> 01:35:12,908
to approve this document, not the other ones.

1884
01:35:12,988 --> 01:35:16,738
So just kind of off the bat, s-so there are requirements and

1885
01:35:16,768 --> 01:35:20,468
specific requirements from the, SS4A program on what TSAPs

1886
01:35:20,808 --> 01:35:24,648
have to do or include. So obviously, that guided our

1887
01:35:24,668 --> 01:35:28,398
approach to this, and we made sure that we incorporated these elements.

1888
01:35:28,468 --> 01:35:32,308
One of those is they want to see a leadership commitment, to a zero

1889
01:35:32,408 --> 01:35:35,968
goals. That's, reaching zero pe-- crashes resulting in

1890
01:35:36,008 --> 01:35:38,948
fatalities and serious injuries.

1891
01:35:39,068 --> 01:35:42,308
Uh, we need to use a committee or task force, and that's, that's both in the

1892
01:35:42,368 --> 01:35:45,278
development of the plan and later when it comes to implementing the

1893
01:35:45,328 --> 01:35:48,448
plan. To monitoring, I should say.

1894
01:35:48,588 --> 01:35:51,788
Um, they want data-driven safety analysis.

1895
01:35:51,888 --> 01:35:55,448
Uh, they want to see public engagement being a part of the process.

1896
01:35:55,568 --> 01:35:59,508
Um, equity considerations. That was, that was, that was a requirement when we,

1897
01:35:59,548 --> 01:36:02,147
when we got the grant. Uh, we kept it in there.

1898
01:36:02,168 --> 01:36:04,128
But-- So we, we-- I'll talk about that later.

1899
01:36:04,148 --> 01:36:07,468
We kind of use that as part of our prioritization process.

1900
01:36:07,588 --> 01:36:10,968
Um, in addition to-- The second to last bullet is

1901
01:36:11,828 --> 01:36:15,688
not only hotspot projects and then kind of more broad reaching strategies

1902
01:36:15,788 --> 01:36:19,488
you could apply, but also looking to see if there's any

1903
01:36:19,588 --> 01:36:23,228
changes the city can make to like, you know, policies, design standards,

1904
01:36:23,328 --> 01:36:27,248
operating procedures, just to keep safety kind of always in the

1905
01:36:27,288 --> 01:36:30,068
conversation when you're, you're doing things.

1906
01:36:30,988 --> 01:36:33,928
Uh, and then progress and transparency.

1907
01:36:33,948 --> 01:36:37,668
That's, that's all at the end, you need to do annual monitoring

1908
01:36:37,708 --> 01:36:39,628
reporting, and that has to be made publicly

1909
01:36:39,668 --> 01:36:43,448
available. Um, and so kind

1910
01:36:43,508 --> 01:36:47,448
of, the safe system approach was what we used, and that's

1911
01:36:47,488 --> 01:36:51,108
kinda again one of the really the requirements and emphasis of doing these

1912
01:36:51,168 --> 01:36:55,048
TSAPs. And really the, the, in maybe simple terms, is

1913
01:36:55,108 --> 01:36:58,628
that's taking a holistic approach and not just relying on maybe

1914
01:36:58,648 --> 01:37:01,728
traditionally doing engineering improvements to fix safety problems, but

1915
01:37:01,768 --> 01:37:04,628
considering kind of the full spectrum of things that can affect

1916
01:37:05,608 --> 01:37:09,258
safety and safety outcomes. And that's, you know, the people, you know,

1917
01:37:09,268 --> 01:37:13,248
vulnerability of people, their, the, their behavior and choices they make,

1918
01:37:13,268 --> 01:37:17,228
you know, vehicle capabilities, speeds, as well

1919
01:37:17,248 --> 01:37:20,918
as even post-crash care. So, you know, emergen-- helping emergency services not

1920
01:37:20,948 --> 01:37:24,668
only respond faster, but, you know, get people to

1921
01:37:24,828 --> 01:37:28,748
get people care more quickly, so we can reduce the severity outcomes

1922
01:37:28,768 --> 01:37:29,408
potentially.

1923
01:37:30,928 --> 01:37:34,138
So those are kind of lenses that we, we're kind of continuously looking at when

1924
01:37:34,138 --> 01:37:35,928
we're looking through solutions.

1925
01:37:37,368 --> 01:37:41,048
Um, so the executive summary is, is as most executive

1926
01:37:41,088 --> 01:37:44,788
summaries are. Uh, it summarizes the document, the key points of

1927
01:37:44,848 --> 01:37:48,558
that. One thing I'm highlighting here that, shows up, I think in, in the

1928
01:37:48,648 --> 01:37:52,456
intro section as well-Is, the, the

1929
01:37:52,616 --> 01:37:56,356
statement again, and I think this is where, you know, when, FHWA is

1930
01:37:56,396 --> 01:37:59,496
looking through now looking for that leadership commitment, that first thing I

1931
01:37:59,536 --> 01:38:02,896
mentioned is, is this states that clearly.

1932
01:38:02,916 --> 01:38:06,786
And we-- the, statement we have in here is that City of Corvallis aims to

1933
01:38:06,836 --> 01:38:10,636
make our transportation system as safe as possible and move towards

1934
01:38:10,656 --> 01:38:14,356
zero traffic-related fatalities and serious injuries in the next twenty

1935
01:38:14,396 --> 01:38:17,696
years, or next ten years, not twenty.

1936
01:38:17,816 --> 01:38:18,076
Um,

1937
01:38:19,076 --> 01:38:22,696
and that's different than some other long-range planning studies we do, is which

1938
01:38:22,756 --> 01:38:23,876
often have twenty-year horizons.

1939
01:38:24,736 --> 01:38:27,856
There's really an emphasis in this plan to do things we can get done a lot more

1940
01:38:27,896 --> 01:38:31,696
quickly because we want to make safety improvements fast, not wait ten years to

1941
01:38:32,056 --> 01:38:35,216
fund them and get them.

1942
01:38:37,236 --> 01:38:41,196
Uh, so the first few chapters are-- it's a lot of introductory stuff.

1943
01:38:41,236 --> 01:38:45,056
It kind of introduces, you know, about the project, the process we went

1944
01:38:45,096 --> 01:38:48,196
through, the safe-- what's the safe system approach,

1945
01:38:49,576 --> 01:38:53,546
talks about the coordination we did with Benton County, and,

1946
01:38:54,676 --> 01:38:57,556
kind of summarizes our public engagement approach.

1947
01:38:57,616 --> 01:38:58,666
It also splits up,

1948
01:38:59,956 --> 01:39:03,776
does some intro of some of the crash data and trends that we saw to kind of support

1949
01:39:03,816 --> 01:39:07,636
the, the problem, right? Or the where are we starting from, why do we need to do

1950
01:39:07,676 --> 01:39:11,456
this. Especially 'cause if, if that goal is to

1951
01:39:11,536 --> 01:39:15,396
get to zero fatalities and serious injuries, you need to know where you're starting

1952
01:39:15,436 --> 01:39:18,156
from.

1953
01:39:19,576 --> 01:39:23,276
Um, so as we get to chapter four, that's gonna kind of pick up that conversation

1954
01:39:23,316 --> 01:39:27,296
again. There's more in-depth conversation about kind of what are the issues,

1955
01:39:27,396 --> 01:39:30,536
right? So it's, what's analyzing that crash data.

1956
01:39:30,676 --> 01:39:34,496
Um, and so from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty-two was the

1957
01:39:34,616 --> 01:39:38,566
span of crash data we got, simply 'cause that was the most recent data we could

1958
01:39:38,596 --> 01:39:42,356
get when we started. Um, there was an average of fifteen crashes per

1959
01:39:42,476 --> 01:39:45,516
year resulting in fatalities and serious injuries.

1960
01:39:45,576 --> 01:39:49,256
And the proportion of fatal and serious injury crashes,

1961
01:39:49,976 --> 01:39:53,756
nearly doubled from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty-two.

1962
01:39:53,796 --> 01:39:56,906
So you can kind of see that on that graph. It's been, it's been climbing.

1963
01:39:56,956 --> 01:40:00,875
Uh, obviously in twenty twenty, where the pandemic hit, all the crashes went

1964
01:40:00,916 --> 01:40:02,656
way down 'cause people weren't driving as much.

1965
01:40:02,676 --> 01:40:06,396
Well, in a lot of places, Corvallis included, they've been climbing right back up.

1966
01:40:06,416 --> 01:40:09,766
And in fact, the proportion of the fatal and serious injury crashes has been

1967
01:40:09,796 --> 01:40:13,376
getting worse. Um, so again, if our goal is to get to

1968
01:40:13,436 --> 01:40:16,836
zero, it's like that's, that's telling us what our baseline is and what we're, what

1969
01:40:16,856 --> 01:40:20,616
we're starting from. Um, chapter

1970
01:40:20,696 --> 01:40:23,536
four also identifies the high-priority network.

1971
01:40:23,556 --> 01:40:27,276
And so again, this was an exercise we went through, with the task

1972
01:40:27,356 --> 01:40:30,856
force to help identify this. And those are intersections and road

1973
01:40:30,976 --> 01:40:34,856
segments where, based on crash history and trends, we believe have the

1974
01:40:34,896 --> 01:40:38,586
most, for improvements, have the greatest potential to

1975
01:40:38,616 --> 01:40:40,936
eliminate high-severity crashes.

1976
01:40:41,056 --> 01:40:45,036
Um, and a note here, we kept the focus on city facilities with a

1977
01:40:45,096 --> 01:40:48,776
lot of this. So we did identify state highway corridors because

1978
01:40:49,076 --> 01:40:52,356
there's a lot of crashes on those, but we separated those out and listed

1979
01:40:52,366 --> 01:40:56,266
them. So you can still have conversations with ODOT about

1980
01:40:56,296 --> 01:41:00,056
making improvements there. But as far as investing city resources, we wanted to

1981
01:41:00,096 --> 01:41:02,436
keep it on the city facilities, so we split the two

1982
01:41:02,496 --> 01:41:04,156
apart.

1983
01:41:05,336 --> 01:41:08,856
Uh, so kinda a little bit on how we got to that high-priority network.

1984
01:41:08,936 --> 01:41:12,916
Uh, considered a lot of inputs. So it was, you know, the data analysis, you know,

1985
01:41:12,936 --> 01:41:16,526
what's the crash data telling us? Um, not only

1986
01:41:16,616 --> 01:41:20,605
specifically where the crashes and most severe crashes are happening, but what are

1987
01:41:20,656 --> 01:41:24,546
kind of the overall, overall trends that are most prevalent in the most,

1988
01:41:24,776 --> 01:41:28,036
serious crashes, and how-- per

1989
01:41:28,116 --> 01:41:31,856
location. Uh, but then we also considered,

1990
01:41:32,096 --> 01:41:35,416
community feedback. Uh, we used like Oregon Social

1991
01:41:35,816 --> 01:41:38,856
Equity Index to identify where there's,

1992
01:41:39,456 --> 01:41:43,216
census tracts within the city with, higher disparities in people that may

1993
01:41:43,296 --> 01:41:43,996
be,

1994
01:41:45,196 --> 01:41:49,096
you know, more traditionally underserved and kind of, looked at

1995
01:41:49,156 --> 01:41:52,856
that to see where those high-priority locations were, in

1996
01:41:52,896 --> 01:41:56,596
alignment with those to, to make sure we're getting good coverage.

1997
01:41:56,676 --> 01:42:00,656
And we kind of pulled all that together with our task force, and,

1998
01:42:01,616 --> 01:42:03,356
they helped us make the decisions.

1999
01:42:03,456 --> 01:42:07,056
Uh, fir-first of all, they supported our prioritization process and criteria, but

2000
01:42:07,096 --> 01:42:11,076
then they also helped us kind of make the decisions on which projects

2001
01:42:11,086 --> 01:42:14,586
they thought were rising to the top and were the high-priority ones.

2002
01:42:14,676 --> 01:42:14,986
Um,

2003
01:42:16,136 --> 01:42:17,996
and again, that's at this moment in time.

2004
01:42:18,036 --> 01:42:21,756
It's not to say, you know, that there aren't other locations that could benefit

2005
01:42:21,776 --> 01:42:24,556
from safety improvements. It's just these were the highest in priority at this

2006
01:42:24,616 --> 01:42:28,336
time. Uh, also sets up what we call

2007
01:42:28,476 --> 01:42:32,436
emphasis areas. So these are not specific locations, but

2008
01:42:32,516 --> 01:42:36,126
it's factors that are most frequently involved in fatal and serious injury crashes.

2009
01:42:36,876 --> 01:42:40,856
Uh, again, the task force helped us kind of look through that data and identify

2010
01:42:40,896 --> 01:42:43,956
which we thought were the ones we wanted to focus on for this.

2011
01:42:44,036 --> 01:42:47,816
And we chose five of those for Corvallis, those being

2012
01:42:47,896 --> 01:42:51,776
intersections, so that's a place where we were having the most of those

2013
01:42:51,896 --> 01:42:55,856
more serious crashes. Uh, people walking, people biking.

2014
01:42:55,896 --> 01:42:59,836
We, risky behaviors, we lumped in things like drug and

2015
01:42:59,856 --> 01:43:03,196
alcohol impairment, distracted driving, and speeding.

2016
01:43:03,216 --> 01:43:06,176
And then younger drivers, so twenty-one and under.

2017
01:43:06,236 --> 01:43:09,976
That-- those were where we were seeing, more

2018
01:43:09,986 --> 01:43:13,716
linkages to those serious crashes.

2019
01:43:13,756 --> 01:43:17,436
So as soon as we get to chapter five, we get into the, solutions

2020
01:43:17,476 --> 01:43:21,236
themselves. Um, and so we have the systemic emphasis area

2021
01:43:21,336 --> 01:43:24,116
strategies, and those are things we can apply broadly.

2022
01:43:24,136 --> 01:43:27,036
They're not spot, you know, location-specific.

2023
01:43:27,136 --> 01:43:30,796
Uh, if the city has a CIP project, they can look at tools in this

2024
01:43:30,836 --> 01:43:34,276
toolkit we've given them to potentially apply in that.

2025
01:43:34,296 --> 01:43:38,126
They could apply for a grant to apply some of these things, you know, in,

2026
01:43:38,176 --> 01:43:41,876
in multiple corridors or areas in comparison to high-priority

2027
01:43:41,936 --> 01:43:45,536
projects which are obviously very specific to a location.

2028
01:43:46,636 --> 01:43:49,616
And then here, this is the page thirty.

2029
01:43:49,636 --> 01:43:53,620
This is where we-Wanted to more specifically address the input from

2030
01:43:53,660 --> 01:43:56,890
the task force where they didn't want to preclude,

2031
01:43:57,260 --> 01:44:00,980
larger scale projects from this. And so we've

2032
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,860
included, this consideration for really kind of all, you

2033
01:44:04,900 --> 01:44:08,810
know, projects to kind of continuously keep the kind of

2034
01:44:08,860 --> 01:44:12,340
the, the safe system approach embedded in, the thought

2035
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,240
process. Since it's tiered system where you start, you're looking for

2036
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,850
the types of solutions that remove conflicts, right?

2037
01:44:18,980 --> 01:44:22,490
So you're separating people in space. If you, if you...

2038
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:25,720
That's not feasible to do, right? Because there's always constraints, whether it's

2039
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:27,700
funding, environmental, whatever.

2040
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,690
Then you kind of go down the list and say, "Well, what can we do to reduce

2041
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,640
speeds?" If you can't do that, you move down the list.

2042
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:38,020
How can we manage conflicts and time, right? So think traffic signals, right?

2043
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:40,150
They're separating conflicts and time.

2044
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:44,120
And if we can't do that, then it's just increasing awareness of the location

2045
01:44:44,140 --> 01:44:48,060
or the situation. And so, that process

2046
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:51,840
and recommendations provided in there, we also acknowledged,

2047
01:44:52,460 --> 01:44:55,860
or explains how you could use that process for intersection or bicycle

2048
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:59,800
facility improvements. So if you're kind of like, one of the RSAs, it says,

2049
01:44:59,810 --> 01:45:03,360
"If you ever need to replace this traffic signal, consider doing protected

2050
01:45:03,380 --> 01:45:07,250
intersections and roundabouts." That should be part of the conversation.

2051
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:08,850
Similarly, bike facilities, right?

2052
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,990
There, there should be a preference for something like protected facility, because

2053
01:45:12,020 --> 01:45:15,560
that would be tier one. But, you know, if you can't do that for whatever reason,

2054
01:45:15,620 --> 01:45:18,940
you move kinda down the tiers. So we do have some guidance

2055
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,740
for, you know, other capital projects.

2056
01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:26,180
And then the necessary strategies.

2057
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:29,880
Again, we have infrastructure-based and non-infrastructure based things.

2058
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,860
Uh, the infrastructure based things, again, we're looking for kind of lower cost

2059
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:37,220
things you can do a lot of quickly. Intersection hardware

2060
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:40,280
improvements, street lighting improvements, pedestrian crossing

2061
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,980
enhancements, green bike lane painting in conflict

2062
01:45:44,060 --> 01:45:47,980
areas, buffered bike lanes, radar speed feedback signs are just some of

2063
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,740
the examples. On the non-infrastructure based

2064
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:55,560
examples, you'll see things are-- start to get into more of the, the

2065
01:45:55,660 --> 01:45:59,449
education enforcement realms. Um, pedestrian safety

2066
01:45:59,620 --> 01:46:03,140
zones is one that was, popular with the task force.

2067
01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:06,360
That's where you can designate an area, maybe it's, you know, around a school or a

2068
01:46:06,420 --> 01:46:10,080
downtown or something. But then you're, you're focusing

2069
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:14,860
education, engineering, and enforcement strategies specifically on pedestrian

2070
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,440
safety in that, in that zone.

2071
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:22,060
Um, educational campaigns, not only for, for safe biking behavior, but

2072
01:46:22,140 --> 01:46:25,970
also for drivers around bikes. Um, high visibility saturation

2073
01:46:26,020 --> 01:46:28,440
patrols, again, on the enforcement side.

2074
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:32,220
Um, and then more kinda educational campaigns and assistance for some of those

2075
01:46:32,300 --> 01:46:36,120
risky behaviors and parents that have young drivers.

2076
01:46:36,140 --> 01:46:38,970
The nice thing about a lot of, a lot of these educational things is you don't have

2077
01:46:38,980 --> 01:46:42,310
to reinvent the wheel, 'cause a lot of great resources are already out there.

2078
01:46:42,460 --> 01:46:44,910
ODOT's-- you get access through a lot of these through

2079
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:46,660
ODOT.

2080
01:46:48,420 --> 01:46:52,020
And then the high priority projects, just listed

2081
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,960
there. These were the locations that, rose to our-- got on

2082
01:46:56,020 --> 01:46:59,490
the high priority list. Um, Ninth Street had a lot.

2083
01:46:59,490 --> 01:47:02,740
It's five, five different projects just on Ninth Street.

2084
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:06,410
Uh, we've got Harrison Boulevard at Twenty-Ninth, Kings Circle, Thirty-Fifth and

2085
01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:10,340
Western, Garfield Highland, a segment of Circle Boulevard

2086
01:47:10,380 --> 01:47:14,080
from Highland to Porter Place, segment of Circle between

2087
01:47:14,300 --> 01:47:18,120
Ninth Street and Nine-Nines W. Uh, Circle at,

2088
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,740
Kings, Eleventh and Grant, Tenth and Buchanan, Thirty-Fifth and

2089
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:25,470
Jackson, and then Conifer, there's a segment from Nine-Nine to

2090
01:47:25,580 --> 01:47:28,980
Cambridge, where there's kind of a, a sight distance issue in the

2091
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:29,930
corner.

2092
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,800
Um, and so if you kinda look through those, kind of the, the general pattern of the

2093
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:39,240
information we're providing for each of those, there's a location

2094
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:43,200
description, a discussion of the crash patterns and trends that were

2095
01:47:43,220 --> 01:47:47,140
in that data, project recommendations that also include

2096
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:50,720
what, you know, crash reduction potential, where there's research to, to back that

2097
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:54,680
up. Um, project costs, potential funding sources to

2098
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:58,360
consider, benefit-cost ratios. Um, and then we

2099
01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:01,880
noted any other related planning projects, 'cause sometimes there's a, a

2100
01:48:01,940 --> 01:48:05,180
CIP or a transportation system plan project,

2101
01:48:05,860 --> 01:48:07,900
that's related to that location that'd be good to

2102
01:48:07,940 --> 01:48:11,820
know. Uh, and the last

2103
01:48:11,860 --> 01:48:15,200
chapter, chapter six, has three kind of sections to it.

2104
01:48:15,820 --> 01:48:17,940
Again, the first one is what I mentioned before.

2105
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:21,860
It's some opportunities where the city can change operating procedures,

2106
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:24,960
design standards, to kind of

2107
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:28,960
continue, discussing safety improvements

2108
01:48:28,980 --> 01:48:32,540
and keeping those in mind in kind of, you know, day-to-day operations.

2109
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:36,160
And that covers, also things like, you know, some maintenance,

2110
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:40,140
funding, discussions, you know, capital projects, and obviously the

2111
01:48:40,340 --> 01:48:43,900
monitoring evaluation process, which is the last section of the

2112
01:48:43,940 --> 01:48:47,860
three. Uh, there's a discussion on funding

2113
01:48:47,940 --> 01:48:51,460
sources. So it's just identifying federal, state,

2114
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,990
local, potential sources for funding safety

2115
01:48:55,060 --> 01:48:58,580
projects. Obviously, those change over time, so this is a

2116
01:48:58,660 --> 01:49:00,920
snapshot of today and what's available.

2117
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:05,900
Um, and then this table, which is included, and you can hopefully

2118
01:49:05,980 --> 01:49:08,700
actually read it in the plan, not on the slide.

2119
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:12,350
But re- It's just taking kind of an exercise and saying, "Okay, given all these

2120
01:49:12,420 --> 01:49:16,400
funding sources and kind of the nature of what they are typically geared for,

2121
01:49:16,420 --> 01:49:20,380
then as you look at high priority projects across the, the columns, which

2122
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:24,030
ones might they be decent candidates for?" So it's kinda helping to start that

2123
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:28,100
process of looking for funding sources.

2124
01:49:29,140 --> 01:49:33,020
And then the last section, performance measures and monitoring.

2125
01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:36,840
So again, one of the requirements of the program is do the plan, then

2126
01:49:36,980 --> 01:49:40,880
annually, you need to have some performance measures set, and you need to go and

2127
01:49:40,940 --> 01:49:44,800
see how did we do every year? Are we making progress on that goal to get

2128
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:48,430
to zero? Um, and so, and

2129
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:52,440
again, that has to-- the results need to be made publicly available, so most

2130
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:56,200
likely just posting them on your website once you've kind of made that report.

2131
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:00,800
And so the performance measures that we've identified for Corvallis...

2132
01:50:01,370 --> 01:50:05,200
Again, this is on city roadways. So it's looking at the number of

2133
01:50:05,290 --> 01:50:09,150
all the crashes, the number of serious injury crashes,

2134
01:50:09,210 --> 01:50:12,410
number of fatal crashes, number of pedestrians involved

2135
01:50:12,430 --> 01:50:16,130
crashes, number of bicycle involved crashes, and the number of

2136
01:50:16,150 --> 01:50:19,750
fatal and serious injury crashes involving pedestrians and bicycles.

2137
01:50:19,790 --> 01:50:23,090
So those would be the key performance measures they'd be looking at, comparing that

2138
01:50:23,170 --> 01:50:25,390
year over year to see how that trend is

2139
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:27,690
changing.

2140
01:50:29,610 --> 01:50:32,730
And then another part of the reporting is,

2141
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:36,730
just accounting

2142
01:50:36,770 --> 01:50:39,870
for, okay, well, what did we do like last year? What were the actions?

2143
01:50:39,890 --> 01:50:43,790
Maybe we did two of the high priority projects, or we did two

2144
01:50:43,870 --> 01:50:47,650
educational campaigns. So it's just so you can see what did we

2145
01:50:47,770 --> 01:50:50,550
do kind of compared to, outcomes.

2146
01:50:50,590 --> 01:50:53,610
But I will acknowledge there's a lag in getting crash data.

2147
01:50:53,650 --> 01:50:57,310
So you do something next year, maybe two years before you get the crash

2148
01:50:57,390 --> 01:51:00,770
data to actually align with that. So that is one trick to

2149
01:51:00,810 --> 01:51:03,090
this.

2150
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:08,530
Um, so again, I've said this a couple of times now, but the next steps for the

2151
01:51:08,570 --> 01:51:12,250
TSAP is, requesting city council acceptance

2152
01:51:12,430 --> 01:51:16,290
of the Transportation Safety Action Plan through resolution

2153
01:51:16,300 --> 01:51:18,130
at the April twentieth city council

2154
01:51:18,150 --> 01:51:22,140
meeting. I believe that is the end of

2155
01:51:22,190 --> 01:51:24,770
my very long presentation. On

2156
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:27,430
to you.

2157
01:51:27,530 --> 01:51:31,230
Before we go any further and, and maybe take some, some, some

2158
01:51:31,250 --> 01:51:34,370
questions here, I did want to acknowledge someone else that's joined us today,

2159
01:51:34,410 --> 01:51:36,510
which is Nick from Federal Highways.

2160
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:40,230
He's been our grant administrator from the federal side, and I can't

2161
01:51:40,270 --> 01:51:43,890
emphasize-- And he's attended many task force meetings, for

2162
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:47,370
us and put us in touch with other federal resources,

2163
01:51:47,870 --> 01:51:50,400
when we had questions, and has really,

2164
01:51:51,270 --> 01:51:55,250
demonstrated, above

2165
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:57,970
and beyond commitment to our project.

2166
01:51:58,050 --> 01:52:01,220
And I just wanted to acknowledge Nick being here,

2167
01:52:01,290 --> 01:52:04,970
and, a-as the grant

2168
01:52:05,010 --> 01:52:07,990
administrator on our side, I've leaned on him, many times.

2169
01:52:08,010 --> 01:52:08,410
Mm-hmm.

2170
01:52:08,490 --> 01:52:10,729
And, and he's come through every time for us.

2171
01:52:10,770 --> 01:52:14,250
And, it's just-- it's been a very, I have to say, it's been a very

2172
01:52:14,370 --> 01:52:18,100
positive experience from our side working, working with Federal

2173
01:52:18,150 --> 01:52:22,090
Highways on this. And, I'm not sure every community gets to say that, but,

2174
01:52:22,130 --> 01:52:24,560
but we certainly can, and, and just wanted to,

2175
01:52:26,130 --> 01:52:28,940
give our appreciation for him. Thanks, Nick.

2176
01:52:30,970 --> 01:52:31,570
You're welcome.

2177
01:52:31,590 --> 01:52:35,550
Just real, real quick, adding on to that, you know, this is, this

2178
01:52:35,610 --> 01:52:39,350
was a pretty rewarding project to be part of.

2179
01:52:39,390 --> 01:52:43,330
We had really strong task force participation and

2180
01:52:43,390 --> 01:52:47,250
support. We had very strong consultant support,

2181
01:52:48,530 --> 01:52:50,810
both from a technical standpoint and a public

2182
01:52:50,910 --> 01:52:54,610
engagement standpoint. Uh, and we had really good

2183
01:52:54,670 --> 01:52:58,090
buy-in and engagement from, from staff that this

2184
01:52:58,170 --> 01:53:01,410
represented extra work for, was

2185
01:53:01,830 --> 01:53:05,290
painful to incorporate at times. Uh,

2186
01:53:06,290 --> 01:53:09,570
but the neat thing about it is that it fills, fills a real

2187
01:53:09,670 --> 01:53:12,670
gap that I don't know that we knew that we had.

2188
01:53:12,710 --> 01:53:13,470
Mm-hmm.

2189
01:53:13,610 --> 01:53:17,280
And, when you think about what's in a traditional

2190
01:53:18,650 --> 01:53:22,470
transportation system plan, or a TSP, you don't have

2191
01:53:22,490 --> 01:53:26,370
this type of safety analysis incorporated in

2192
01:53:26,410 --> 01:53:29,870
that study. You don't do a separate action like this.

2193
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:33,770
And so, it's filling a gap, a real gap that we have

2194
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:36,630
with meaningful, data-driven

2195
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:41,110
projects that we can consider implementing to make a real

2196
01:53:41,170 --> 01:53:44,390
difference in our community. So we look forward to continuing the

2197
01:53:44,450 --> 01:53:47,430
conversation about how to move projects

2198
01:53:47,470 --> 01:53:51,110
forward. But also one, one of the recommendations is, and the plan

2199
01:53:51,250 --> 01:53:54,690
is, you know, when you, when you haven't done one of these for a

2200
01:53:54,730 --> 01:53:58,130
while, like, we have a t-- minor TSP update that we have to do soon, so you

2201
01:53:58,170 --> 01:54:01,160
wouldn't redo this again in, like, two years.

2202
01:54:01,230 --> 01:54:05,130
But in the future, when we do TSP updates, to coordinate updates

2203
01:54:05,590 --> 01:54:08,530
to the Transportation Safety Action Plan at the same time.

2204
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:12,250
So when you're identifying all your improvements, you're considering, these

2205
01:54:12,290 --> 01:54:16,210
more detailed safety elements, at the same time.

2206
01:54:16,290 --> 01:54:20,270
Uh, in addition to a recommendation to continue to do the road safety audits,

2207
01:54:20,690 --> 01:54:24,260
in conjunction with our, our larger, street projects

2208
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:27,650
that, that we take on. So the intention is to

2209
01:54:28,130 --> 01:54:32,110
continue to build on, on what we learned and incorporate this in future

2210
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:35,590
planning activities as, as well.

2211
01:54:36,510 --> 01:54:40,370
And we should thank Jeff for writing the, the original grant,

2212
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:43,510
and he went above and beyond to, to do that.

2213
01:54:43,570 --> 01:54:43,890
Yeah.

2214
01:54:43,900 --> 01:54:46,650
So it's given us some really good information.

2215
01:54:46,690 --> 01:54:50,680
Yeah. Thanks for that. A little, an au-acknowledgment that some of

2216
01:54:50,710 --> 01:54:53,870
you would appreciate was, some of you had

2217
01:54:55,330 --> 01:54:59,230
personal working relationships with Marge Stevens, and

2218
01:54:59,310 --> 01:55:03,190
I didn't know her as well as many of, as you did, but,

2219
01:55:03,770 --> 01:55:04,010
she

2220
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:08,190
had made me aware of, of this grant that led to

2221
01:55:08,250 --> 01:55:11,570
the, conversations, led to us

2222
01:55:11,710 --> 01:55:12,350
applying.

2223
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:12,360
Yeah.

2224
01:55:12,410 --> 01:55:15,970
So I've always kind of thought of this as, as Marge's project.

2225
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:16,660
That's so cool.

2226
01:55:16,660 --> 01:55:16,780
So I'm glad to

2227
01:55:17,690 --> 01:55:18,100
bring it forward.

2228
01:55:18,100 --> 01:55:20,730
Thank you for sharing that.

2229
01:55:20,770 --> 01:55:22,320
Yeah. Great, great presentation.

2230
01:55:22,350 --> 01:55:22,860
Awesome.

2231
01:55:22,890 --> 01:55:26,880
Great work, and, if you have any questions, there'll

2232
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:29,890
also be an opportunity to have some time.

2233
01:55:30,930 --> 01:55:32,880
So I just think it's-- I think it does fill a gap.

2234
01:55:32,890 --> 01:55:36,230
It's amazing, the, the qu- quality of the information.

2235
01:55:36,290 --> 01:55:40,060
It's gonna be very helpful in decision-making for

2236
01:55:40,090 --> 01:55:43,270
sure. Thank you very much.

2237
01:55:44,150 --> 01:55:44,700
I just want to--

2238
01:55:45,550 --> 01:55:49,090
Given all the work that happened to do

2239
01:55:49,210 --> 01:55:52,790
this, you mentioning future planning cycles and

2240
01:55:53,010 --> 01:55:53,550
aligning

2241
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:55,460
updates for--

2242
01:55:56,410 --> 01:56:00,330
to the TSP unit, which makes sense.

2243
01:56:00,370 --> 01:56:02,970
The, the scale of this work

2244
01:56:04,450 --> 01:56:05,070
Okay.

2245
01:56:05,110 --> 01:56:09,030
Is, is something happening through all this that makes it replicable at less

2246
01:56:09,070 --> 01:56:11,670
expense in the future? Um,

2247
01:56:12,630 --> 01:56:16,290
in other words, if you- every time we do this, we would be

2248
01:56:16,330 --> 01:56:19,490
dependent on a six, seven hundred thousand dollar grant?

2249
01:56:19,530 --> 01:56:22,080
Well, I, you know, I think we, we did a lot...

2250
01:56:22,130 --> 01:56:24,810
As you saw, we did a lot of supplemental planning activities.

2251
01:56:24,820 --> 01:56:24,820
Yeah.

2252
01:56:24,830 --> 01:56:27,790
And there was a lot of cost, associated with those.

2253
01:56:27,830 --> 01:56:30,090
So I think, you know, going back to,

2254
01:56:31,490 --> 01:56:35,450
going back to just, the transportation safety action plan component of it will

2255
01:56:36,090 --> 01:56:39,530
in itself limit the, the level of

2256
01:56:39,570 --> 01:56:43,400
investment. Um, but there's a lot of work that goes,

2257
01:56:43,670 --> 01:56:46,970
goes into that. So I, I still think it'll be a

2258
01:56:47,010 --> 01:56:49,030
significant dollar amount.

2259
01:56:49,070 --> 01:56:49,470
Yeah.

2260
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:52,970
You know, the formats of master plans or TSPs don't necessarily change

2261
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:56,510
dramatically, cycle to cycle.

2262
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:58,230
But you still spend a heck of a lot of money-

2263
01:56:58,270 --> 01:56:59,010
Yeah

2264
01:56:59,030 --> 01:57:03,010
... to, to refresh them and bring in new regulations, and in this case, new

2265
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:05,050
traffic data and things like that.

2266
01:57:05,610 --> 01:57:08,090
I, I can, I can add on just a little bit to that.

2267
01:57:08,110 --> 01:57:11,470
I think also if you do this concurrently with a T-TSP-

2268
01:57:11,490 --> 01:57:11,670
Mm-hmm

2269
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:15,490
... you have, there's, there's efficiencies there if you have, like, the same,

2270
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:18,550
like, the same consulting team perhaps is doing both.

2271
01:57:18,650 --> 01:57:21,220
Also, if you're doing your public outreach at the same time.

2272
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:24,820
Like, there's considerable costs to...

2273
01:57:24,830 --> 01:57:27,310
The public engagement in this was a considerable effort-

2274
01:57:27,570 --> 01:57:27,720
Mm-hmm

2275
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:29,470
... and required considerable resources.

2276
01:57:29,490 --> 01:57:33,230
And when, when you do a TSP, it's, it's even more as far

2277
01:57:33,310 --> 01:57:37,050
as, the cost component to engage the community in that.

2278
01:57:37,090 --> 01:57:40,070
So if you can engage the community with multiple things-

2279
01:57:40,150 --> 01:57:40,700
At the same-

2280
01:57:40,700 --> 01:57:41,180
... multiple

2281
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:46,110
co-concurrent efforts that are, you know, married together-

2282
01:57:46,150 --> 01:57:46,220
Mm-hmm

2283
01:57:46,290 --> 01:57:50,190
... I think there is a lot of efficiencies there, where if we look at

2284
01:57:50,250 --> 01:57:54,150
just what it cost us to do this TSAP versus what it would cost to incorporate

2285
01:57:54,210 --> 01:57:57,390
as part of a TSP project, you're gonna gain some on it.

2286
01:57:57,430 --> 01:58:01,010
The same way we gained by working with Benton County on our

2287
01:58:01,090 --> 01:58:04,260
collective efforts on our outreach and sharing data and everything.

2288
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:08,250
That, that provided a, a great s- resource savings to both

2289
01:58:08,330 --> 01:58:11,710
of us by sharing. So.

2290
01:58:11,790 --> 01:58:15,470
I'll add quickly if, if I can. I'll say even if all you want to do within a few

2291
01:58:15,550 --> 01:58:18,710
years, let's say you've finished some of your high priority projects, and you just

2292
01:58:18,750 --> 01:58:22,270
want to refresh that list, 'cause that's gonna change over time

2293
01:58:22,330 --> 01:58:26,230
too. Um, we're giving the city as part of this a tool now that

2294
01:58:26,290 --> 01:58:29,880
we've set up the analysis framework for identifying that, right?

2295
01:58:29,910 --> 01:58:32,970
Remember the prioritization criteria I talked about that?

2296
01:58:32,979 --> 01:58:32,979
Yeah.

2297
01:58:33,010 --> 01:58:36,950
We're doing a training session with them next month and handing over this tool so

2298
01:58:36,990 --> 01:58:38,680
they can update that periodically.

2299
01:58:38,830 --> 01:58:41,870
So that's, a lot of the work to set that piece up is done.

2300
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:45,730
So with fairly low effort, they can at the very

2301
01:58:45,770 --> 01:58:49,250
least refresh that prioritization list every so often.

2302
01:58:50,690 --> 01:58:52,900
Great. Anyone

2303
01:58:53,010 --> 01:58:54,750
else?

2304
01:58:55,350 --> 01:58:56,010
Yeah.

2305
01:58:56,050 --> 01:58:59,750
Well, thank you very much. And again, all the work's really appreciated, and-

2306
01:58:59,930 --> 01:59:00,139
Sure

2307
01:59:00,139 --> 01:59:02,590
... we'll see you on the twentieth.

2308
01:59:02,610 --> 01:59:08,330
Great.

2309
01:59:08,370 --> 01:59:12,110
Okay. Move on. Um, I'm sure you also did see, received

2310
01:59:12,170 --> 01:59:16,090
some written comments, so wanna be sure to get

2311
01:59:16,150 --> 01:59:19,950
to those. Um, I'm just gonna kinda skip them and hand it off to Tony

2312
01:59:20,670 --> 01:59:22,270
for his questions, and going after we'll get-

2313
01:59:23,110 --> 01:59:26,750
Right. So I did say that as the update regarding

2314
01:59:26,830 --> 01:59:30,570
the, use the RFP process for,

2315
01:59:31,110 --> 01:59:34,550
city manager evaluation. Um, I

2316
01:59:34,590 --> 01:59:35,130
think that

2317
01:59:36,770 --> 01:59:40,710
we got some feedback from, Counselor Schaefer, who felt

2318
01:59:40,790 --> 01:59:41,870
that it was a,

2319
01:59:43,450 --> 01:59:47,370
consistent with what we had previously discussed and saw it as a valuable

2320
01:59:47,470 --> 01:59:48,890
exercise.

2321
01:59:49,990 --> 01:59:53,770
I think the way I would frame the question for all of you is, there's,

2322
01:59:53,810 --> 01:59:57,490
there's no doubt we will get something from using a consultant.

2323
01:59:57,610 --> 02:00:01,150
Um, to put it in stark relief, perhaps

2324
02:00:02,010 --> 02:00:02,810
if, if this

2325
02:00:03,910 --> 02:00:07,810
cost of this was a thousand dollars, we would, it would be a no-brainer to do

2326
02:00:07,830 --> 02:00:11,670
it. If the cost, if the cost of it were twelve

2327
02:00:11,790 --> 02:00:13,610
thousand, which is kind of a little gateway,

2328
02:00:14,970 --> 02:00:18,670
we would probably do it. The costs are probably gonna be about twenty-five

2329
02:00:18,710 --> 02:00:22,459
K. So, and it's really a manner, it's really a practical matter

2330
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:24,310
of, um-

2331
02:00:24,329 --> 02:00:24,710
It's a-

2332
02:00:24,750 --> 02:00:28,450
It's a pain in the extreme. If this costs a hundred K, is it still worth the

2333
02:00:28,510 --> 02:00:32,220
effort? So I, I just... Really the question is, and I, like I

2334
02:00:32,290 --> 02:00:35,850
said, I'm happy to proceed and manage whatever,

2335
02:00:36,290 --> 02:00:37,950
process the council would decide.

2336
02:00:38,030 --> 02:00:41,830
Um, but I do invite your comments as to how you'd like, how you'd like to

2337
02:00:41,850 --> 02:00:42,990
proceed.

2338
02:00:44,010 --> 02:00:44,270
Um,

2339
02:00:45,210 --> 02:00:48,950
I'm gonna say that I would like to proceed, but we're also down

2340
02:00:48,970 --> 02:00:52,950
three counselors, two of whom argued strongly in favor of the

2341
02:00:52,970 --> 02:00:56,910
evaluation last time. So I feel like, we're missing

2342
02:00:56,970 --> 02:01:00,410
some voices at the table.

2343
02:01:00,450 --> 02:01:02,930
Well, let's start with you.

2344
02:01:06,010 --> 02:01:09,830
You... Go ahead. You said you felt like

2345
02:01:09,950 --> 02:01:13,790
for sure we would gain something. Uh, when I

2346
02:01:13,870 --> 02:01:15,670
read through it, I was not

2347
02:01:17,450 --> 02:01:21,230
especially convinced that we would gain, that the process would

2348
02:01:21,290 --> 02:01:24,830
be measurably all that different than what we did

2349
02:01:24,990 --> 02:01:25,690
ourselves.

2350
02:01:26,090 --> 02:01:26,430
I did-

2351
02:01:26,450 --> 02:01:26,460
So-

2352
02:01:26,470 --> 02:01:29,430
I didn't, I didn't quantify how much we would gain.

2353
02:01:29,470 --> 02:01:29,710
Mm-hmm.

2354
02:01:30,650 --> 02:01:34,550
I s- I... Obviously, seeing how someone else does

2355
02:01:34,650 --> 02:01:38,570
this, who does this in different settings, there's something

2356
02:01:38,630 --> 02:01:39,230
to be learned.

2357
02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:39,240
Right.

2358
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:42,710
I don't know that I can speak to the magnitude.

2359
02:01:42,730 --> 02:01:42,740
Okay.

2360
02:01:42,770 --> 02:01:45,020
So I'm not saying it's small or large.

2361
02:01:45,090 --> 02:01:45,590
Okay.

2362
02:01:45,610 --> 02:01:46,450
Different.

2363
02:01:46,490 --> 02:01:49,550
No, I just didn't know if you had a particular,

2364
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:53,490
segment of what we did that you thought might

2365
02:01:53,570 --> 02:01:56,770
be better or, you know, what gain

2366
02:01:57,330 --> 02:01:58,230
might be gained.

2367
02:01:58,370 --> 02:01:58,580
I agree.

2368
02:01:58,610 --> 02:02:01,750
You know, I just, that's all. I, i-if you don't have a particular thing, that's

2369
02:02:01,830 --> 02:02:04,060
fine. Okay.

2370
02:02:04,110 --> 02:02:05,210
You, um-

2371
02:02:05,542 --> 02:02:09,422
Yeah, I was gonna say I think that I still think that this is a

2372
02:02:09,922 --> 02:02:13,682
good idea. I mean, if we were looking at this for every year,

2373
02:02:13,742 --> 02:02:16,542
twenty years into the future, I would have a lot more questions.

2374
02:02:16,562 --> 02:02:20,272
But considering the amount of discussion that has gone into

2375
02:02:20,322 --> 02:02:22,822
having an outside person doing this over the past

2376
02:02:24,142 --> 02:02:27,942
many, many years, since probably before both of us were

2377
02:02:28,002 --> 02:02:31,692
on the council, I think that having...

2378
02:02:31,742 --> 02:02:35,142
I, I think that having someone come in and kind of

2379
02:02:35,842 --> 02:02:39,642
streamline and optimize our process would be

2380
02:02:40,342 --> 02:02:44,202
ideal because it allows us to use as an investment for years in the

2381
02:02:44,242 --> 02:02:46,431
future. So...

2382
02:02:46,442 --> 02:02:48,222
Jim.

2383
02:02:48,362 --> 02:02:48,611
Um,

2384
02:02:50,382 --> 02:02:51,682
I don't want to go through what we did

2385
02:02:52,782 --> 02:02:55,502
last year again. So,

2386
02:02:56,602 --> 02:03:00,282
priority mine is that we establish

2387
02:03:01,082 --> 02:03:04,882
a framework protocol, content

2388
02:03:05,722 --> 02:03:09,562
that's replicable and that, that successive

2389
02:03:10,382 --> 02:03:13,722
city councils can look at and go, "That, that's, that's good.

2390
02:03:13,762 --> 02:03:15,442
We don't have to reinvent the wheel.

2391
02:03:15,482 --> 02:03:19,402
We got something that, that is, based on best practices and

2392
02:03:19,462 --> 02:03:21,362
works." Um,

2393
02:03:23,482 --> 02:03:27,232
if we can do it, we can accomplish that without a consultant, then why

2394
02:03:27,302 --> 02:03:30,202
spend the money? I'm not sure that we would, though,

2395
02:03:31,102 --> 02:03:34,692
because we-- it was such a struggle, trying to figure out what we

2396
02:03:34,982 --> 02:03:38,422
wanted. If, if it's a, you know, one-time

2397
02:03:38,482 --> 02:03:41,942
expenditure of twenty-five thousand dollars and we get an excellent

2398
02:03:42,142 --> 02:03:45,502
product out of it that's going to remove, you

2399
02:03:45,542 --> 02:03:49,452
know, conflicts in the future about, you know, reinventing

2400
02:03:49,482 --> 02:03:53,112
it every time and, and, then I think it's money well

2401
02:03:53,282 --> 02:03:55,502
spent.

2402
02:03:55,542 --> 02:03:56,262
Rita.

2403
02:03:56,362 --> 02:03:59,142
Um, yeah, no, I, I agree. I,

2404
02:03:59,182 --> 02:04:02,962
I... The, the, the, the price tag

2405
02:04:03,142 --> 02:04:07,062
is getting to me a little bit, but because it is a one-- it

2406
02:04:07,122 --> 02:04:10,822
feels like it will be a one-time expenditure, I think we should go for

2407
02:04:10,882 --> 02:04:13,222
it. Um, I just,

2408
02:04:14,222 --> 02:04:17,342
I think it's just like for the future, I just hope we don't have to do it again

2409
02:04:17,422 --> 02:04:20,802
because then it's like, then why did we spend twenty-five K in the first place-

2410
02:04:20,842 --> 02:04:20,872
Yeah

2411
02:04:20,942 --> 02:04:22,202
... if we're just gonna keep doing it?

2412
02:04:22,262 --> 02:04:24,062
So I, I say

2413
02:04:24,902 --> 02:04:28,442
we go with it and, and just see how it goes.

2414
02:04:29,142 --> 02:04:31,831
Uh, okay, let me say we'll have...

2415
02:04:31,922 --> 02:04:32,182
Uh,

2416
02:04:33,342 --> 02:04:34,942
did you?

2417
02:04:34,982 --> 02:04:38,242
Well, I think that when I hear about one-time expense versus

2418
02:04:38,262 --> 02:04:42,242
ongoing, what I recall one

2419
02:04:42,262 --> 02:04:46,062
of the driving factors was having an outside person rather than our

2420
02:04:46,202 --> 02:04:50,122
HR director run this process. So that would mean this would be an ongoing

2421
02:04:50,222 --> 02:04:51,322
process.

2422
02:04:51,362 --> 02:04:52,202
For groups.

2423
02:04:52,742 --> 02:04:56,122
But, but I, I don't want to

2424
02:04:56,182 --> 02:04:59,422
presuppose the outcome. I think likely the

2425
02:04:59,502 --> 02:05:00,402
questions

2426
02:05:01,802 --> 02:05:05,402
generally that you saw last time aren't gonna be wildly

2427
02:05:05,502 --> 02:05:09,182
different with a consultant, but what you'll have is just an outside person

2428
02:05:10,002 --> 02:05:12,432
running the process. Um,

2429
02:05:13,282 --> 02:05:16,902
which maybe that's good confirmation for the council.

2430
02:05:16,922 --> 02:05:20,302
Again, is that worth the money? That's for you to determine.

2431
02:05:20,342 --> 02:05:24,262
Right. So a couple comments. Uh, because we did get six proposals and we did rank

2432
02:05:24,322 --> 02:05:24,742
them,

2433
02:05:27,082 --> 02:05:30,272
I know that Councilor Ellis, you said we have voices we haven't heard from.

2434
02:05:30,322 --> 02:05:34,002
I, I must point out that one of the voices

2435
02:05:34,122 --> 02:05:37,342
was-- should have been part of the ranking process and was not.

2436
02:05:38,122 --> 02:05:40,922
Um, so I think that,

2437
02:05:41,942 --> 02:05:45,782
the, the ones that were ranked high did tend to converge with the

2438
02:05:45,842 --> 02:05:47,442
ICMA,

2439
02:05:49,522 --> 02:05:50,302
framework.

2440
02:05:50,322 --> 02:05:50,742
Mm-hmm.

2441
02:05:50,822 --> 02:05:54,042
Um, the highest rated one right now, definitely-

2442
02:05:54,062 --> 02:05:56,122
Which one we would wanna be a little careful about.

2443
02:05:56,162 --> 02:05:59,502
I'm not, I'm not gonna say anything more other than to say

2444
02:05:59,642 --> 02:06:03,532
that, I think there's-- we-- a lot of our questions that

2445
02:06:03,562 --> 02:06:06,822
we, we used in the last evaluation do align with the ICMA

2446
02:06:06,862 --> 02:06:09,582
framework. There could be some refinement there.

2447
02:06:09,602 --> 02:06:12,882
The answer to, what Council-- what Jim said was that,

2448
02:06:15,522 --> 02:06:19,182
I, I feel this-- I-I am like, like I said, I'm willing to support whatever process

2449
02:06:19,202 --> 02:06:21,542
the council wants. I feel confident that we could

2450
02:06:22,361 --> 02:06:26,152
improve the process that we had last year, incorporate three hundred and sixty

2451
02:06:26,222 --> 02:06:29,572
degree feedback with a similar but slightly different set of

2452
02:06:29,622 --> 02:06:33,532
questions, is still lush. Uh, and

2453
02:06:33,582 --> 02:06:37,412
there's-- I think that I have no, doubt that I could

2454
02:06:37,412 --> 02:06:41,182
drive a process with council input that would get us there.

2455
02:06:41,242 --> 02:06:42,102
So-

2456
02:06:42,162 --> 02:06:42,762
I guess I wanna-

2457
02:06:42,802 --> 02:06:46,442
That's, that's my, that's my own observation

2458
02:06:46,602 --> 02:06:49,782
of, what I think, could be delivered, but I'm happy.

2459
02:06:49,822 --> 02:06:52,802
We will, we will get another shot at this because we have a council

2460
02:06:52,862 --> 02:06:56,202
meeting, the day before

2461
02:06:56,542 --> 02:07:00,282
we award the contract, according to the timeline we have.

2462
02:07:00,382 --> 02:07:02,692
I will bring this up again, for a

2463
02:07:02,822 --> 02:07:06,342
discussion. But I

2464
02:07:06,422 --> 02:07:10,252
also-- I'm also a little, um...

2465
02:07:10,302 --> 02:07:13,372
That being said, I don't like the idea of spending a lot of

2466
02:07:13,422 --> 02:07:16,862
energy on something and, and asking folks

2467
02:07:16,942 --> 02:07:20,282
to... I, I mean, frankly, they're consultants, they're used to

2468
02:07:20,742 --> 02:07:23,922
s-getting nos as well. It doesn't bother me so much.

2469
02:07:23,962 --> 02:07:27,622
But our own time, we've, we've spent a lot of time

2470
02:07:28,242 --> 02:07:31,722
on this and, so I,

2471
02:07:31,802 --> 02:07:35,482
I, I realize that's all in the past, but I would

2472
02:07:35,562 --> 02:07:39,122
like us to not-- like us to be more effective, more

2473
02:07:39,462 --> 02:07:41,822
clear in our decision-making. Yes.

2474
02:07:43,082 --> 02:07:46,842
It just occurs to me that maybe, I mean, one thing we

2475
02:07:46,942 --> 02:07:50,922
don't ever look at very carefully is trending on

2476
02:07:51,002 --> 02:07:53,322
how much council is spending over time.

2477
02:07:54,122 --> 02:07:54,782
Mm-hmm.

2478
02:07:54,792 --> 02:07:58,402
And I just thought that might be useful information in this decision because I'm

2479
02:07:58,642 --> 02:08:01,742
pretty sure we're spending more this year than we spent the year before already,

2480
02:08:01,782 --> 02:08:05,542
before we even think about the twenty-five thousand dollars.

2481
02:08:05,562 --> 02:08:07,982
But I could be wrong. Does that-

2482
02:08:08,958 --> 02:08:12,798
Resonate with anyone as a matter of importance, given our budget

2483
02:08:12,858 --> 02:08:16,738
constraints that we're facing and all of that business or-

2484
02:08:16,778 --> 02:08:20,438
Well, I think that's partially what weighs into, I was even asking this

2485
02:08:20,558 --> 02:08:21,238
question.

2486
02:08:21,278 --> 02:08:21,518
Yeah.

2487
02:08:21,638 --> 02:08:22,138
If we were

2488
02:08:22,998 --> 02:08:26,298
not having a budget strain, we're sitting just fine. I don't think...

2489
02:08:26,318 --> 02:08:29,238
I mean, in the grand scheme of things, twenty-five thousand dollars isn't a lot of

2490
02:08:29,278 --> 02:08:33,148
money from a, a, a city budget. But considering where

2491
02:08:33,158 --> 02:08:37,038
we are, is why like when, when I was looking at the proposals like that, I had

2492
02:08:37,078 --> 02:08:38,058
some sticker shock.

2493
02:08:38,078 --> 02:08:38,738
Mm-hmm.

2494
02:08:38,758 --> 02:08:42,198
I was like, "Whoa, that's not what I was expecting to see." Um, but it is what it

2495
02:08:42,258 --> 02:08:42,698
is.

2496
02:08:42,718 --> 02:08:42,727
Yeah.

2497
02:08:42,738 --> 02:08:44,638
So that's why we want to-

2498
02:08:44,698 --> 02:08:48,598
I think the short... My recollection is that we, we have adjusted county

2499
02:08:48,638 --> 02:08:52,458
mayor council budget up. We've done things for add- additional training.

2500
02:08:52,498 --> 02:08:56,008
We've done things like the Mayor's Innovation Conference, that Charles just

2501
02:08:56,008 --> 02:08:56,878
spoke to.

2502
02:08:56,888 --> 02:08:57,508
The office-

2503
02:08:57,508 --> 02:09:01,238
Potentially, joining, that as, as an

2504
02:09:01,278 --> 02:09:03,478
activity. I can't speak to fifteen years

2505
02:09:04,618 --> 02:09:07,438
of- ... or twenty years of trend.

2506
02:09:07,458 --> 02:09:07,758
Mm-hmm.

2507
02:09:07,778 --> 02:09:10,498
Um, but certainly in my time on the council, I would bet-

2508
02:09:10,898 --> 02:09:13,438
Right now we have the office now too, so I would think-

2509
02:09:13,498 --> 02:09:13,568
Yeah

2510
02:09:13,598 --> 02:09:15,338
... the first line is fairly high.

2511
02:09:15,358 --> 02:09:18,898
Twenty-five, 25K is a, is a very big increment though-

2512
02:09:18,958 --> 02:09:18,998
Yeah

2513
02:09:19,018 --> 02:09:20,898
... to whatever that growth has been.

2514
02:09:20,958 --> 02:09:24,898
We, we can pull together where the council is right

2515
02:09:24,978 --> 02:09:28,938
now, in the, our biennium versus what your

2516
02:09:28,978 --> 02:09:32,358
budget is, so you have an idea of are you ahead or behind.

2517
02:09:33,298 --> 02:09:36,138
Um, you know, there's multiple things that play into that.

2518
02:09:36,198 --> 02:09:39,888
As you said, training. Um, city attorney

2519
02:09:39,958 --> 02:09:41,558
cost is one of the highest,

2520
02:09:43,338 --> 02:09:47,238
variables for the council. So we can, I can work

2521
02:09:47,278 --> 02:09:50,638
to provide that before the next council meeting.

2522
02:09:50,678 --> 02:09:50,958
All right.

2523
02:09:50,968 --> 02:09:50,968
Thank you.

2524
02:09:50,978 --> 02:09:52,418
Well, at this point, we're-

2525
02:09:52,428 --> 02:09:52,428
Yeah

2526
02:09:52,428 --> 02:09:54,868
... go through the process of, uh-

2527
02:09:55,498 --> 02:09:55,938
Pardon?

2528
02:09:55,998 --> 02:09:57,118
Well, continuing to move forward.

2529
02:09:57,138 --> 02:09:59,898
We'll continue moving forward. Uh, I'm probably gonna

2530
02:09:59,938 --> 02:10:03,748
be, uh... We're gonna continue moving

2531
02:10:04,018 --> 02:10:04,318
forward.

2532
02:10:04,338 --> 02:10:04,668
Okay.

2533
02:10:04,938 --> 02:10:06,698
We'll talk about it again at the next

2534
02:10:06,708 --> 02:10:09,398
meeting.

2535
02:10:10,578 --> 02:10:12,598
Uh, we adjourned?

2536
02:10:12,678 --> 02:10:16,338
Oh, sorry. Distracted. Yes, I thought we're adjourned.

2537
02:10:16,538 --> 02:10:16,938
Did you care?